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We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky
- pelagicAustral 3mo agoI'm left wondering if maybe all the years I spend tinkering with Linux servers and self-hosted infrastructure are just about to pay off big time now that there is a massive move for governments and institutions to take control of their infrastructure... You still pretty much need a human to spin and maintain infrastructure, wire things securely, and monitor... Now I just need to wait until someone rebrands sysop into something cool sounding like Sovereign Re-orchestration Professional, or Reacquisition Specialist... Data Nationalisation Champion
- dotcoma 3mo agoSDS, Sovereign Data Specialist ;)
- lostlogin 3mo ago> Sovereign Data Specialist It immediately makes me think of sovereign citizens and I get twitchy.
- giancarlostoro 3mo agoMY DATA IS NOT OPERATING IN COMMERCE!
- toomuchtodo 3mo agoCloud repatriation engineer, infra sovereignty strategist. Are sysadmins back? Too early to tell imho. https://xkcd.com/705/ https://xkcd.com/705/
- dotcoma 3mo agoYou win. Cloud repatriation engineer.
- toomuchtodo 3mo agoDelightful! Maybe I'll make some tshirts to hand out at defcon.
- dotcoma 3mo agoPlease tell us here if you decide to sell them.
- caycep 3mo agoBetter job titles than any AI CEO could come up with!
- busterarm 3mo agoI do this at significant scale and you need a high tolerance for a lot of different negatives to last doing it for governments (and adjacent). The only exception to this rule I would say is AWS GovCloud, which also might be one of the only chill teams to work at across Amazon. It turns out having "only one way to do it", a system proved through a rigorous vetting process and a thoroughly worked-through contracting process leads to a pretty fantastic work environment for practitioners. Trying to reimplement that piecemeal is for tougher men than me though. I think I'd rather sit on hot nails.
- sph 3mo agoJoking aside, there is a lot of contract work to help EU quasi-governative entities to move off US clouds. I have been on contract for the last 18 months to recreate some functionality of AWS on top of OVH for a client adjacent to the European Space Agency. The catch is that being government contract you, the guy doing the actual work, are beneath three or four layers of companies and bureaucracy and you get over engineered yet somehow too vague specs and projects that take 6 months just to get approved. But hey, the pay is good, and it’s for one of the better causes. My other EU client, a much smaller non-tech company for whom I host their servers, has recently wanted to know if we depend on any US services, to reduce their exposure. I believe you can get decent work just by advertising yourself as an expert in migrating code and data out of the US. That said, the job and economy situation is a big question mark and appetite to invest has lessened dramatically so YMMV
- Imustaskforhelp 3mo ago> That said, the job and economy situation is a big question mark and appetite to invest has lessened dramatically so YMMV Could you elaborate perhaps a bit more on this on actually why the appetite for investment has lessened? I'd be curious to know more, thanks!
- sph 3mo agoI am no economist nor work in sales so my opinion is worthless, but it’s both waiting to see where this AI nonsense leads us, the stock market being an absolute shitshow solely propped up by this AI nonsense while the rest of Europe is in a phase of stagflation, the geopolitical situation at home and with our crazy partner, plus companies readjusting after the end of ZIRP. Fair to say investments and new projects are a bit harder to come by.
- alex1138 3mo agoTim Berners Lee has Solid
- IndySun 3mo agoI like his vision. Can you recommend a pod? The UK based Solid Community ones (and others, apparently) are 'experimental'. "To use this system, you must understand that we cannot make any guarantees regarding the security and privacy of data that you may store in a solidcommunity.net Solid pod, or concerning the system's functionality and availability."
- thisismissem 3mo agoI used to work for timbl's company Inrupt on Solid on the SDK team. Inrupt no longer appears to be doing solid (or at least it's very well hidden if it still exists). AT Protocol achieved what Solid envisioned without the inane complexities of rdf and json-ld, which were the biggest learning blockers to people actually adopting Solid.
- toomuchtodo 3mo agoComparison Between ATProto and Tim Berners-Lee's Solid Protocol - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48724526 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48724526 - June 2026 (0 comments currently) Related: ATProto Permissioned Data Proposal Draft - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48651727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48651727 - June 2026 (4 comments)
- thrill 3mo agoWhy not - eventually it will be The Year Of The Linux Desktop.
- rsolva 3mo agoI got hired by a local company exactly for my experience with running linux servers at home and in a semi-professional capacity. They had hired someone with perfect credentials from university with several masters degrees, but they had to let him go after half a year because he did not fit in to their linux environment that has been operating since the 90s. I had no formal education, but many years with tinkering, self-hosting and operating linux machines for a small number of customers, and they could not hire me fast enough. They told me that it is really hard to come by people with this mix of experiences, everything is in the clouds these days.
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- goody71 3mo agoSo the "news" here is they're hosting their own PDS? I think that was the main point of Atmosphere and Bluesky was just a popular gateway to get people into it. Unless I'm missing something else...
- skybrian 3mo agoThat's the plan, but to get to actual decentralization, one of the steps is for more people to actually move their PDS's somewhere other than Bluesky. (They are not self-hosting; Eurosky is doing it.)
- dotcoma 3mo agoBut... if Waag are not self-hosting, and they're not, how likely is it that normal people will start doing so in relatively large numbers?
- skybrian 3mo agoI don't think that's the goal? If we got to the point where no service hosts the majority of accounts, that would be a pretty good milestone.
- dotcoma 3mo agoThat would indeed be a huge improvement over the current situation, with 98.5% of repos hosted directly by bsky (!) https://atproto.barn.city/ https://atproto.barn.city/
- steveklabnik 3mo agoAn important part of how this works is that you don't have to make that choice right away. I've been meaning to move to my own PDS for a few months now. Still haven't. Whenever I decide to get around to it, it'll be fine.
- kevinak 3mo agoYou won’t have decentralisation on Atproto because the protocol itself incentivises centralisation.
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- jrm4 3mo agoAnd what does this do safety/privacy-wise? Nothing, except make it more available. This is why I often argue against (or at least want to point out the dangers of) the ATProto/Bluesky model. It's an absolute boon for people who want heavy surveillance, government or otherwise. The looseness and "unreliability" of protocols like Mastodon ironically make them safer.
- skybrian 3mo agoYes, AT proto is about making data available to the public via replication. There's no privacy at all, but it's useful for some things. Hacker News comments don't have any privacy either. There's another protocol in the works that should be useful for syncing private data: https://github.com/bluesky-social/proposals/pull/94 https://github.com/bluesky-social/proposals/pull/94
- palata 3mo agoI am genuinely confused. Isn't the point of public social media to be... public? Or do you use BlueSky to talk to your friends, instead of Signal?
- ballon_monkey 3mo agoIt is but they don't like being on a platform where people can disagree with them. They like their echo chamber.
- jacobgold 3mo agoThis is great. The entire idea of AT is that users can move their data for any reason. We want more of this. But I do think it's always worth pushing back a bit on this idea: > "The way Bluesky is funded is at odds with the idea of decentralisation because the platform relies on venture capital and operates under a shareholder model." Large decentralized infrastructure like the internet, DNS, email, and the web was largely built by VC-backed companies. The most important open source project, Linux, is funded by major tech companies through the Linux Foundation, with $311 million last year. Corporate incentives do create conflicts, so it makes sense to be paranoid and skeptical. But the idea that companies can't contribute to open and decentralized systems is exactly the wrong lesson to learn. We want more VC-backed startups working on open social networks and protocols. It would be great if many of them were in Europe.
- dotcoma 3mo ago> the internet, DNS, email, and the web were largely built by VC-backed companies Really ?
- jacobgold 3mo agoThere were famously government and university programs that played important early roles too. But it was largely people working for companies that actually built these systems. What organizations do you think created the switches, routers, servers, software, fiber optic backbones? Who created the new protocols? It was companies like AT&T/Bell Labs, Cisco, 3Com, Sun, UUNET, Netscape, AOL, the major telecoms, and a thousand other companies we don't remember. Something like 1% inspiration from academia and government, and 99% perspiration by people working inside companies.
- Munksgaard 3mo agoHow many of those organizations you named were VC-backed?
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- Angostura 3mo agoYou have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded. In the later case, you can set up your own subreddit, surely?
- busterarm 3mo agoYou're proposing a fiction that there is functionally any difference. Migrating a subreddit is a large community effort and rarely if ever happens over just one ban. If you're banned from a subreddit for X, which famously happens for often the thinnest of reasonings, you're effectively out of the online community around X. For some subreddits this even has real-world implications. You don't have to be the least bit spicy to do this. Often you just have to have commented (at all) in a different subreddit that a mod doesn't like.
- aravpanwar 3mo agoHappened to me, the mod did not like the fact that I had engaged with a sub that he does not politically agree on, It was a university centric sub that I got banned from. Could never take that site seriously, ever.
- busterarm 3mo agoI've seen this in just about every online space for 40 years now, but it is particularly bad there. I was deeply involved in several subreddits up until about '09-'10 and it slowly dawned on me just how far off the reservation the average mod was. I didn't even have any moderation issues personally, just from seeing it happen to others and the way they would approach rules and their day-to-day. I quit the site entirely and have not looked back, but as an outsider everything I still hear about reddit moderation doesn't make my impression any more favorable. Quite the opposite.
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- cptroot 3mo agoYou might want to answer two questions before we start this discussion: 1. "Censored" by whom, and for whom? 2. "Censored" for which "right of center" views? P.S. I should also mention that I can see the posts on that account, even if they all have flags for intolerance by the default moderation service (a service you can opt out of by the way).
- curtisblaine 3mo ago"Censored" I mean "flagged", sure. In practice, they're all hidden from the casual user. But really, I'm interested on why ATProto was touted as revolutionary while in practice it powers a standalone heavily politically biased social network where moderators are extremely active flagging everything that's on the right. In that respect, Mastodon is more "revolutionary" - you handle your instance, you provide your moderation, you optionally integrate with other instances. Mastodon itself is used, in practice, to moderate a highly diverse ecosystem of social networks, from the gay-friendly ones to Gab. Nostr, although it's not so widely used, is even more tailored against sectarism by default. From what I see, Bsky is a single instance of one of the most politically aligned social media in existence; in practice, you can achieve that with any proprietary implementation, you don't need ATProto. I honestly thought that the protocol was engineered to prevent an echo chamber, but in reality it powers an enormous standalone echo chamber that is not moving anywhere, so I was wondering what's the difference.
- phillipcarter 3mo agoWhat you are describing is, bluntly, not happening. Bluesky moderators take down abusive and harmful posts. There is a daily uproar on the left about how they do this to "kiwifarms but leftishly" behavior under the guise of being "anti-trans". If right-wing centered posts are getting taken down, it is because they are abusive and harmful. Bluesky popularized subscriber lists, like blocklists. A large portion of the network mass-mutes or mass-blocks anyone on the big right-wing block lists. This is user behavior, not the platform censoring right wing people.
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- nottorp 3mo agoBut ... they have a "Follow us on BlueSky" link that goes to bsky.app not esky.something?
- steveklabnik 3mo agoFollows work independent of which app you're using, so it works either way. Not an issue. (Think of it this way: "I am following <username>" is a record stored in my own database, so it doesn't matter which app I click the button on that writes that record.)
- quasigod 3mo agoOn atproto your PDS and the appview you use are not linked. Your data is stored on your PDS and available to any app that handled Bluesky records.
- nottorp 3mo agoAh, thanks for the explanation.
- VCFundedGenYer 3mo agoI don't understand - why not just make a Mastodon server and join the fediverse? Bluesky is a dead end.