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Why Drawing Tablet Brands Won't Collaborate on Linux Floss Drivers

233 points by Tomte 4mo ago

ndiddy 4mo ago
> Well, because it's true: many of the repositories are named after "Wacom". It's a historical legacy on GNU/Linux. It's also a decade-long debate that these repos should be renamed differently. If the project being named after Wacom is actively causing other companies to not contribute because they believe it’s a Wacom lead project and they’d be helping a competitor, I don’t understand why this is even a debate vs. just changing the name to something vendor neutral.
- otikik 4mo ago
  Yes. It feels like the article was leading towards a reason for not doing that, but then suddenly it just ends.
  - yk 4mo ago
    Pretty sure the reason is, that anybody who could actually do the changes thinks works for me, the alternative is a lot of work for little technical gain. And besides once you start your tablet for Linux Projekt you have to touch everything, so that is a nice opportunity to finally refactor the wacom_debug_2 mess and pretty soon you're drowning in yak shavings.
    - otikik 4mo ago
      It could be a fork, no need to "actually rename" anything
- burnte 4mo ago
  And it's been a decade long argument? Sounds like someone is just emotionally attached to something not changing. Those are the hardest problems to solve.
  - KaiserPro 4mo ago
    Name changes are controversial. Nothing gets nerds going more than changing a project name so companies work better with OSS.
    - Onavo 4mo ago
      main vs master
      - inigyou 4mo ago
        personally my default branch is called dominatrix, just to annoy the kind of person who argues about master
        egypturnash 4mo ago
        Do you call all your subsidiary branches “paypigs”?
      - wiether 4mo ago
        The issue has always been with the reasons invoked to make the change Otherwise it would have been smoother
        happymellon 4mo ago
        You didn't hear the foaming at the mouth shouting to rename master recordings, master documents, or dub over The Master from Dr. Who. Considering how much effort we had to out into fixing pipelines because of hardcoded scripts, and the lack of good reason to do it its no surprise that it was scoffed at. White keyboard warriors needed to make a change, but couldn't do anything meaningful as it would require actually doing something. At least this change makes sense.
        ChocolateGod 4mo ago
        I thought the purpose of the rename was to encourage these contributions that apparently weren't happening because of the branch name? It certainly helped GNOME whom was one of the biggest proponents /s
- MomsAVoxell 4mo ago
  Its most likely a debate because making such a major refactoring effort is actually a heavy work load, there are lots of bits and pieces to tie together and cut out and so on, and the folks capable of shepherding this change through all the parties out into the distro's are already underpaid/under-appreciated too much as it is .. Hopefully, this situation will get some traction with a bit of noise about it, and the distros can actually put some effort into handling the rename - or maybe a hero will arise in the midst of all the fuss, who just does the full renaming properly, tested, and so on - in a fashion that it simply can't be ignored. It's definitely an interesting thing to see this happening, anyway. Open Source has many, many troublesome facets when it comes to fairness and equity, but it also has a lot of bright, shining moments. The fact that the technical ability to build these drivers is already a given, and really the thing holding everything back is just the corporate brand obsession, is kind of hilarious though, also. Duh, you own your competitor by pushing your tech into their brand-space, dummies. This is an opportunity for brands-not-Wacom to eat Wacoms lunch in a delightfully technologically significant way - but, alas, the brand cult reared its maw, instead...
  - 17383848 4mo ago
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  - chadgpt3 4mo ago
    I think it makes them own you - a little. You look subsidiary to Wacom.
- LocalH 4mo ago
  Devil's advocate: why should the project have to rename because some companies want them to? That just shifts the window slightly closer to corporate control, something that millions of people worldwide bemoan.
  - exe34 4mo ago
    More importantly, why would other companies offer free support for something that will garner free advertising for a competitor?
    - LocalH 4mo ago
      Nobody except power user tech heads (and apparently, corporations) give two shits about the filenames of the drivers in use
    - redeeman 4mo ago
      i was in the market for a drawing tablet. I looked at huion, wanted it, but realized the driver situation was not on par with wacom. I now have a wacom device.
  - sib 4mo ago
    I mean, if you look at it that way, it's already named 100% after a single company...
fouc 4mo ago
fork and rename the https://github.com/linuxwacom/wacom-hid-descriptors https://github.com/linuxwacom/wacom-hid-descriptors project, strip all wacom references. then share w/ the other tablet brands. problem solved.
- __mharrison__ 4mo ago
  Name it something really confusing like... Linuxtablet
  - inigyou 4mo ago
    or Drawing Tablet Drivers for Linux but open source will never have such sensible names. It'll probably be called something like Ujagu Flemble or Bananahead.
  - dd8601fn 4mo ago
    Or, as is tradition, something stupid like “the gimp” or “go”.
    - baud147258 4mo ago
      or git or javascript
    - wpm 4mo ago
      How about systemd-tablet
- toomim 4mo ago
  Good point. You don't even need to rename the upstream project. Just create a new project, and get the code there. Since it's open source, it will eventually make its way into the upstream libwacom as well.
abdullahkhalids 4mo ago
Besides Wacom, which tablets would you recommend as good quality?
- Palomides 4mo ago
  quite happy with huion on linux
- giancarlostoro 4mo ago
  This entire debacle just screams only use Wacom since they're the only ones making their hardware usable on Linux.
- fl4regun 4mo ago
  huion and Xp-Pen are pretty good. I've had both working well on linux computers as well.
- Macha 4mo ago
  I updated from a screenless Wacom to an XP-Pen screen tablet. The tablet hardware itself is good (but also I moved up several product categories) for less money than the Wacom, but the experience getting it to work on Linux was reminiscent of trying to get wifi to work 15 years ago. I got there in the end, but it was not smooth.
  - klondike_klive 4mo ago
    I use an Xppen 24" Pro display tablet. I enjoy using it but my Linux mint machine simply won't boot with it plugged in. I haven't figured out a workaround beyond physically disconnecting both cables every time. And when I boot up and reconnect, my machine never remembers the screen mapping, so there's enough friction there for me to avoid plugging it in for days if not weeks at a time.
- dtn 4mo ago
  I'm using a screen XP-Pen 24" Gen 2 on Arch+Wayland+KDE right now, it has been a much better experience than on Windows. The tablet worked flawlessly out of the box. However, there aren't any drivers for the included remote, and to calibrate the tablet itself you'll need to use OpenTabletDriver.
AlienRobot 4mo ago
One thing I miss from Windows is the tablet driver GUI. "cinnamon-settings wacom" doesn't let me map buttons to keys (important for software like FireAlpaca, which pans with the space key instead of supporting the middle mouse button like everybody else in the planet), and it also doesn't let me remap the tablet area to arbitrary screen coordinates. These are things I could do on Windows that I can't do through the GUI. I wrote a Python script to do it using xsetwacom, but I don't know if it would work for anybody else. I don't know if xsetwacom is only for wacom tablets, or if xsetwacom is only for X11 (I'm not on Wayland yet).
- nosioptar 4mo ago
  xsetwacom does not work with Wayland. I doubt it ever will. Someone could probably build a similar tool that does work with Wayland. It's just another reason why Wayland isn't ready for daily use.
- Palomides 4mo ago
  have you tried OpenTabletDriver?
  - AlienRobot 4mo ago
    Yes, but if I remember correctly I ran into some issues with it. It's been a long time ago so I don't remember what those issues were.
egypturnash 4mo ago
It’s not like they collaborate on closed-source drivers either. If you have two different brands of tablets in your life then you get to deal with weird bugs from their drivers fighting. And if you’re on Windows they may fight with MS’ attempt at default drivers, too.
giancarlostoro 4mo ago
Feel free to reply to that email and let them know that your readers just discovered that instead of considering Wacom alternatives, they now believe that Wacom is the only brand they can use on Linux. It seems like the only valid response to that is to give money to the people who make their hardware usable on my software.
- vachina 4mo ago
  The venn diagram for Linux user and an artist is so small they probably wouldn’t bother. You can continue to use Wacom (only)
  - 5G_activated 4mo ago
    The point is to get artists to use free software, or enable them to have an alternative to Windows or macOS.
  - so-rose 4mo ago
    > The venn diagram for Linux user and an artist is so small they probably wouldn’t bother. > > You can continue to use Wacom (only) You might be surprised. On the smaller scale, look no further than Blender and Krita: Their stats indicate plenty of artists using Linux to sculpt and paint, with tablets. But it's "big serious business" too. As evidence, see the VFX Reference Platform (https://vfxplatform.com/ https://vfxplatform.com/), a baseline for artist workstations with plenty of industry backing (vendors involved include Autodesk, Foundry, and Side-Effects; stakeholders include the Visual Effects Society and, it seems, the Academy Software Foundation). It adapts to direct studio feedback, which is certainly not an exercise in charity, and I guarantee you that they all want tablets to work as well. Anecdotally, I've heard that big shops in-house a lot of their tools, and do so for Linux. The reasons I've heard being control & ease of integration with all the bespoke petabyte-scale server-based automation pipelines, which are most certainly Linux.
kouteiheika 4mo ago
> Well, because it's true: many of the repositories are named after "Wacom". It's a historical legacy on GNU/Linux. It's also a decade-long debate that these repos should be renamed differently. Okay... let's rename them then? I know it's silly, but, well, we've went through the whole pointless `master` -> `main` branch rename in so many projects which was much more disruptive -- at least this one could serve a purpose?
- cortesoft 4mo ago
  I find it interesting that you think this rename serves a purpose when the master to main rename does not. Neither change has any technical reason. The only reason why either name change was desired is because some contributors were upset by the names.
  - pmontra 4mo ago
    I'm entering troubled waters but hey... The master to main issue is an accident of the history of the USA, still unresolved in its consequences, when most of the world was not practicing slavery anymore. The typical reaction outside the USA is rolling eyes and hope that all the ethnic groups inside the USA will finally get along. If the IT and economic powerhouse of the world were India instead of the USA and Indians would have picked master instead of main despite the British colonial period, this would be a non-issue: the USA could use a different convention (like for units of measurement) and the rest of the world wouldn't notice. BTW, every country had its expansionist and genocidal and slavery moments (I'm from Italy, think about the Roman expansion inside Italy, then the empire or our colonial wars 100 years ago.) The USA is one of the most recent examples. It takes time and I understand that master vs main is important inside the country. The issue of Wacom branding is different because it's a business dynamic and businesses don't want to work for competitors no matter the country, no matter the history. They can work together or an equal footing. So rename to libtablet or whatever.
    - bee_rider 4mo ago
      It seems most likely to me that this particular sensitivity to any sort of social controversy and the status of the US as the sort of… de-facto default place of doing international business for a long time, are probably linked. The US corporate culture’s default stance is probably a learned reflex. Better to look a little over-sensitive, than to scuttle a deal by blundering into somebody’s cultural trigger.
TekMol 4mo ago
Could AI do it? Would it work to give the Windows driver to an LLM and tell it to analyze it and write a Linux driver?
- fooker 4mo ago
  It's funny to see the downvotes here. Maybe people don't realize that this is very much within the capabilities of modern AI nowadays? At $dayjob we have encountered people reverse engineering our driver with Claude and creating GitHub repos with pretty useful vibecoded tools and documentation. Yes, the raw binaries of the driver. Not leaked source code or anything like that.
- nitwit005 4mo ago
  The open source maintainers won't have the Windows source, unless it's given to them.
  - TekMol 4mo ago
    I meant the binary. With enough patience and spit it should be possible to understand it. And AI can do it while we sleep.
    - nitwit005 4mo ago
      Then you have intellectual property problems, unless they similarly give you permission.
      - em-bee 4mo ago
        they don't have to give explicit permission though, they just have to not disallow it (which an EULA could do, in the US at least)
        nitwit005 4mo ago
        De-compilation isn't enough to avoid copyright infringement issues, and if there are patents involved, they can also be an issue. You're always going to basically be stuck asking for permission, which is the essential intent of intellectual property law.
jimmypk 4mo ago
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WillAdams 4mo ago
For my part, I've been using Wacom tablets and styluses and digitizers since placing a same day order (2AM) w/ PC Warehouse using their 1-800 number, paying for rush shipping and getting a Wacom ArtZ later that same day. I've suffered through a lot of non-Wacom EMR styluses in the past, and my preference is to buy the real thing, so I'm okay with the status quo, unless there has been a marked improvement --- that said, who wants multiple stylus technologies? A big improvement in my life was getting the same Wacom EMR support on _all_ of my devices, so I can: - make a note in MyScript Notes on my Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ - add it into a to-do notebook on my Kindle Scribe Colorsoft - open the note in Nebo.app on my Samsung Book 3 Pro 360 for reference/editing - work on the project on my MacBook using a Wacom One display (and yes, there are times when I have all four devices out) I couldn't count how many Wacom EMR styluses are scattered around my house or in various laptop bags....
pellmellism 4mo ago
lol banana slice
edg5000 4mo ago
All they have to do is publish a technical PDF with descriptors and stuff. That's it. Why not ask for that? They should see the benefit of their product "just working" with FOSS systems.
greatgib 4mo ago
To me, this response shows that there is a great opportunity to convince them with things that will bring them good publicity. Things like "drivers" with their name, etc...
edflsafoiewq 4mo ago
"Oh gee, we'd definitely contribute to the open source driver if the repo name didn't have wacom in it." Yeah, uh huh.

233 points by Tomte 4mo ago

> Well, because it's true: many of the repositories are named after "Wacom". It's a historical legacy on GNU/Linux. It's also a decade-long debate that these repos should be renamed differently. If the project being named after Wacom is actively causing other companies to not contribute because they believe it’s a Wacom lead project and they’d be helping a competitor, I don’t understand why this is even a debate vs. just changing the name to something vendor neutral.

otikik 4mo ago
Yes. It feels like the article was leading towards a reason for not doing that, but then suddenly it just ends.
- yk 4mo ago
  Pretty sure the reason is, that anybody who could actually do the changes thinks works for me, the alternative is a lot of work for little technical gain. And besides once you start your tablet for Linux Projekt you have to touch everything, so that is a nice opportunity to finally refactor the wacom_debug_2 mess and pretty soon you're drowning in yak shavings.
  - otikik 4mo ago
    It could be a fork, no need to "actually rename" anything
burnte 4mo ago
And it's been a decade long argument? Sounds like someone is just emotionally attached to something not changing. Those are the hardest problems to solve.
- KaiserPro 4mo ago
  Name changes are controversial. Nothing gets nerds going more than changing a project name so companies work better with OSS.
  - Onavo 4mo ago
    main vs master
    - inigyou 4mo ago
      personally my default branch is called dominatrix, just to annoy the kind of person who argues about master
      - egypturnash 4mo ago
        Do you call all your subsidiary branches “paypigs”?
    - wiether 4mo ago
      The issue has always been with the reasons invoked to make the change Otherwise it would have been smoother
      - happymellon 4mo ago
        You didn't hear the foaming at the mouth shouting to rename master recordings, master documents, or dub over The Master from Dr. Who. Considering how much effort we had to out into fixing pipelines because of hardcoded scripts, and the lack of good reason to do it its no surprise that it was scoffed at. White keyboard warriors needed to make a change, but couldn't do anything meaningful as it would require actually doing something. At least this change makes sense.
        ChocolateGod 4mo ago
        I thought the purpose of the rename was to encourage these contributions that apparently weren't happening because of the branch name? It certainly helped GNOME whom was one of the biggest proponents /s
MomsAVoxell 4mo ago
Its most likely a debate because making such a major refactoring effort is actually a heavy work load, there are lots of bits and pieces to tie together and cut out and so on, and the folks capable of shepherding this change through all the parties out into the distro's are already underpaid/under-appreciated too much as it is .. Hopefully, this situation will get some traction with a bit of noise about it, and the distros can actually put some effort into handling the rename - or maybe a hero will arise in the midst of all the fuss, who just does the full renaming properly, tested, and so on - in a fashion that it simply can't be ignored. It's definitely an interesting thing to see this happening, anyway. Open Source has many, many troublesome facets when it comes to fairness and equity, but it also has a lot of bright, shining moments. The fact that the technical ability to build these drivers is already a given, and really the thing holding everything back is just the corporate brand obsession, is kind of hilarious though, also. Duh, you own your competitor by pushing your tech into their brand-space, dummies. This is an opportunity for brands-not-Wacom to eat Wacoms lunch in a delightfully technologically significant way - but, alas, the brand cult reared its maw, instead...
- 17383848 4mo ago
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- chadgpt3 4mo ago
  I think it makes them own you - a little. You look subsidiary to Wacom.
LocalH 4mo ago
Devil's advocate: why should the project have to rename because some companies want them to? That just shifts the window slightly closer to corporate control, something that millions of people worldwide bemoan.
- exe34 4mo ago
  More importantly, why would other companies offer free support for something that will garner free advertising for a competitor?
  - LocalH 4mo ago
    Nobody except power user tech heads (and apparently, corporations) give two shits about the filenames of the drivers in use
  - redeeman 4mo ago
    i was in the market for a drawing tablet. I looked at huion, wanted it, but realized the driver situation was not on par with wacom. I now have a wacom device.
- sib 4mo ago
  I mean, if you look at it that way, it's already named 100% after a single company...

fouc 4mo ago

fork and rename the https://github.com/linuxwacom/wacom-hid-descriptors https://github.com/linuxwacom/wacom-hid-descriptors project, strip all wacom references. then share w/ the other tablet brands. problem solved.

__mharrison__ 4mo ago
Name it something really confusing like... Linuxtablet
- inigyou 4mo ago
  or Drawing Tablet Drivers for Linux but open source will never have such sensible names. It'll probably be called something like Ujagu Flemble or Bananahead.
- dd8601fn 4mo ago
  Or, as is tradition, something stupid like “the gimp” or “go”.
  - baud147258 4mo ago
    or git or javascript
  - wpm 4mo ago
    How about systemd-tablet
toomim 4mo ago
Good point. You don't even need to rename the upstream project. Just create a new project, and get the code there. Since it's open source, it will eventually make its way into the upstream libwacom as well.

abdullahkhalids 4mo ago

Besides Wacom, which tablets would you recommend as good quality?

Palomides 4mo ago
quite happy with huion on linux
giancarlostoro 4mo ago
This entire debacle just screams only use Wacom since they're the only ones making their hardware usable on Linux.
fl4regun 4mo ago
huion and Xp-Pen are pretty good. I've had both working well on linux computers as well.
Macha 4mo ago
I updated from a screenless Wacom to an XP-Pen screen tablet. The tablet hardware itself is good (but also I moved up several product categories) for less money than the Wacom, but the experience getting it to work on Linux was reminiscent of trying to get wifi to work 15 years ago. I got there in the end, but it was not smooth.
- klondike_klive 4mo ago
  I use an Xppen 24" Pro display tablet. I enjoy using it but my Linux mint machine simply won't boot with it plugged in. I haven't figured out a workaround beyond physically disconnecting both cables every time. And when I boot up and reconnect, my machine never remembers the screen mapping, so there's enough friction there for me to avoid plugging it in for days if not weeks at a time.
dtn 4mo ago
I'm using a screen XP-Pen 24" Gen 2 on Arch+Wayland+KDE right now, it has been a much better experience than on Windows. The tablet worked flawlessly out of the box. However, there aren't any drivers for the included remote, and to calibrate the tablet itself you'll need to use OpenTabletDriver.

AlienRobot 4mo ago

One thing I miss from Windows is the tablet driver GUI. "cinnamon-settings wacom" doesn't let me map buttons to keys (important for software like FireAlpaca, which pans with the space key instead of supporting the middle mouse button like everybody else in the planet), and it also doesn't let me remap the tablet area to arbitrary screen coordinates. These are things I could do on Windows that I can't do through the GUI. I wrote a Python script to do it using xsetwacom, but I don't know if it would work for anybody else. I don't know if xsetwacom is only for wacom tablets, or if xsetwacom is only for X11 (I'm not on Wayland yet).

nosioptar 4mo ago
xsetwacom does not work with Wayland. I doubt it ever will. Someone could probably build a similar tool that does work with Wayland. It's just another reason why Wayland isn't ready for daily use.
Palomides 4mo ago
have you tried OpenTabletDriver?
- AlienRobot 4mo ago
  Yes, but if I remember correctly I ran into some issues with it. It's been a long time ago so I don't remember what those issues were.

egypturnash 4mo ago

It’s not like they collaborate on closed-source drivers either. If you have two different brands of tablets in your life then you get to deal with weird bugs from their drivers fighting. And if you’re on Windows they may fight with MS’ attempt at default drivers, too.

giancarlostoro 4mo ago

Feel free to reply to that email and let them know that your readers just discovered that instead of considering Wacom alternatives, they now believe that Wacom is the only brand they can use on Linux. It seems like the only valid response to that is to give money to the people who make their hardware usable on my software.

vachina 4mo ago
The venn diagram for Linux user and an artist is so small they probably wouldn’t bother. You can continue to use Wacom (only)
- 5G_activated 4mo ago
  The point is to get artists to use free software, or enable them to have an alternative to Windows or macOS.
- so-rose 4mo ago
  > The venn diagram for Linux user and an artist is so small they probably wouldn’t bother. > > You can continue to use Wacom (only) You might be surprised. On the smaller scale, look no further than Blender and Krita: Their stats indicate plenty of artists using Linux to sculpt and paint, with tablets. But it's "big serious business" too. As evidence, see the VFX Reference Platform (https://vfxplatform.com/ https://vfxplatform.com/), a baseline for artist workstations with plenty of industry backing (vendors involved include Autodesk, Foundry, and Side-Effects; stakeholders include the Visual Effects Society and, it seems, the Academy Software Foundation). It adapts to direct studio feedback, which is certainly not an exercise in charity, and I guarantee you that they all want tablets to work as well. Anecdotally, I've heard that big shops in-house a lot of their tools, and do so for Linux. The reasons I've heard being control & ease of integration with all the bespoke petabyte-scale server-based automation pipelines, which are most certainly Linux.

kouteiheika 4mo ago

> Well, because it's true: many of the repositories are named after "Wacom". It's a historical legacy on GNU/Linux. It's also a decade-long debate that these repos should be renamed differently. Okay... let's rename them then? I know it's silly, but, well, we've went through the whole pointless `master` -> `main` branch rename in so many projects which was much more disruptive -- at least this one could serve a purpose?

cortesoft 4mo ago
I find it interesting that you think this rename serves a purpose when the master to main rename does not. Neither change has any technical reason. The only reason why either name change was desired is because some contributors were upset by the names.
- pmontra 4mo ago
  I'm entering troubled waters but hey... The master to main issue is an accident of the history of the USA, still unresolved in its consequences, when most of the world was not practicing slavery anymore. The typical reaction outside the USA is rolling eyes and hope that all the ethnic groups inside the USA will finally get along. If the IT and economic powerhouse of the world were India instead of the USA and Indians would have picked master instead of main despite the British colonial period, this would be a non-issue: the USA could use a different convention (like for units of measurement) and the rest of the world wouldn't notice. BTW, every country had its expansionist and genocidal and slavery moments (I'm from Italy, think about the Roman expansion inside Italy, then the empire or our colonial wars 100 years ago.) The USA is one of the most recent examples. It takes time and I understand that master vs main is important inside the country. The issue of Wacom branding is different because it's a business dynamic and businesses don't want to work for competitors no matter the country, no matter the history. They can work together or an equal footing. So rename to libtablet or whatever.
  - bee_rider 4mo ago
    It seems most likely to me that this particular sensitivity to any sort of social controversy and the status of the US as the sort of… de-facto default place of doing international business for a long time, are probably linked. The US corporate culture’s default stance is probably a learned reflex. Better to look a little over-sensitive, than to scuttle a deal by blundering into somebody’s cultural trigger.

TekMol 4mo ago

Could AI do it? Would it work to give the Windows driver to an LLM and tell it to analyze it and write a Linux driver?

fooker 4mo ago
It's funny to see the downvotes here. Maybe people don't realize that this is very much within the capabilities of modern AI nowadays? At $dayjob we have encountered people reverse engineering our driver with Claude and creating GitHub repos with pretty useful vibecoded tools and documentation. Yes, the raw binaries of the driver. Not leaked source code or anything like that.
nitwit005 4mo ago
The open source maintainers won't have the Windows source, unless it's given to them.
- TekMol 4mo ago
  I meant the binary. With enough patience and spit it should be possible to understand it. And AI can do it while we sleep.
  - nitwit005 4mo ago
    Then you have intellectual property problems, unless they similarly give you permission.
    - em-bee 4mo ago
      they don't have to give explicit permission though, they just have to not disallow it (which an EULA could do, in the US at least)
      - nitwit005 4mo ago
        De-compilation isn't enough to avoid copyright infringement issues, and if there are patents involved, they can also be an issue. You're always going to basically be stuck asking for permission, which is the essential intent of intellectual property law.

jimmypk 4mo ago

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WillAdams 4mo ago

For my part, I've been using Wacom tablets and styluses and digitizers since placing a same day order (2AM) w/ PC Warehouse using their 1-800 number, paying for rush shipping and getting a Wacom ArtZ later that same day. I've suffered through a lot of non-Wacom EMR styluses in the past, and my preference is to buy the real thing, so I'm okay with the status quo, unless there has been a marked improvement --- that said, who wants multiple stylus technologies? A big improvement in my life was getting the same Wacom EMR support on _all_ of my devices, so I can: - make a note in MyScript Notes on my Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ - add it into a to-do notebook on my Kindle Scribe Colorsoft - open the note in Nebo.app on my Samsung Book 3 Pro 360 for reference/editing - work on the project on my MacBook using a Wacom One display (and yes, there are times when I have all four devices out) I couldn't count how many Wacom EMR styluses are scattered around my house or in various laptop bags....

pellmellism 4mo ago

lol banana slice

edg5000 4mo ago

All they have to do is publish a technical PDF with descriptors and stuff. That's it. Why not ask for that? They should see the benefit of their product "just working" with FOSS systems.

greatgib 4mo ago

To me, this response shows that there is a great opportunity to convince them with things that will bring them good publicity. Things like "drivers" with their name, etc...

edflsafoiewq 4mo ago

"Oh gee, we'd definitely contribute to the open source driver if the repo name didn't have wacom in it." Yeah, uh huh.