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Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Wayback Machine if you don’t believe me: https://web.archive.org/web/202

• justaj 4mo ago
  What makes you believe this is about export controls rather than harvesting data?
  • kgutscode1 4mo ago
    Mass surveillance and all the other that gets associated with mass surveillance
  • 1vuio0pswjnm7 4mo ago
    What makes you believe he belives that?
    • justaj 4mo ago
      Because of this sentence? > LLMs are not the first tech product that have been restricted by export controls.
    • 1vuio0pswjnm7 4mo ago
      The sentence does not state he believes the ID check is for export control purposes In fact, earlier in the comment, he argues the ID check dates back to April
• ignoramous 4mo ago
  > This is a crazy conclusion for a situation that isn’t even two weeks old... I think, this is all a culmination of rapidly eroding trust and soft power between US & its allies for the past 3y.
  • marcus_holmes 4mo ago
    > past 3y since January 2025
    • rootusrootus 4mo ago
      it’s been a loooooooong year and a half
  • tjwebbnorfolk 4mo ago
    Over-reliance on a single LLM is probably not a good idea, no matter who owns it.
  • deanishe 4mo ago
    What allies? You threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. You surely don't think you're coming back from that?
    • N_Lens 4mo ago
      They will obviously come back from that no questions about it. It’s like an abusive relationship that CA/EU can’t fully eject from, there will always be hope of conciliation because the benefits both ways are so massive and the relationships are so entrenched, it will take much more than DJT and Republicans/dark enlightenment technocrats to completely fracture these alliances.
      • sneezychl 4mo ago
        Agreed. Things are really bad right now. But they've been bad before. We helped rebuild Germany after they started world wars.
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• RobertDeNiro 4mo ago
  Export controls have typically been for physical goods. Don’t remember the last time it was used for an API
  • bigiain 4mo ago
    Have we all forgotten PGP already? (Not an API, but certainly not a "physical good")
  • input_sh 4mo ago
    You should look up the words "crypto wars". There were absolutely very annoying attempts by the US government to limit encryption, forcing every software maker to maintain two editions of their software: one targeting the domestic audience with no restrictions, and one "international edition" which had to intentionally weakened encryption (as in ship with shorter key lengths).
• nutjob2 4mo ago
  You're way off the mark, and probably viewing this as an American. If it happens once that means it can happen which means it can happen at any time. When you feel you're a 2nd class person, or 'other', you're not eager to empower your oppressor, quite the opposite.
  • matheusmoreira 4mo ago
    > When you feel you're a 2nd class person, or 'other', you're not eager to empower your oppressor, quite the opposite. Completely agree.
  • pfisch 4mo ago
    You're acting like you can't just switch which llm you are using in around an hour. I mean...use opus/fable when you can, if down the road your access gets cut then just switch to kimi or whatever. Yeah, this sucks, but you're being really dramatic and acting like you can't switch llms with basically no lock in. Getting something like your email cut off would be a real thing to be concerned about, but this isn't that.
• baka367 4mo ago
  This decision has, effectively, turned LMMs into a supply chain risk. Before this incident I’d gladly use any anthropic LLM in production features. Right now, this has become a risky decision that can tank my business overnight.
  • simoncion 4mo ago
    > Right now, this has become a risky decision that can tank my business overnight. If your business-critical systems rely on SAAS that doesn't have a solid SLA and breach-of-contract provisions that more than cover the damages in the event, you've made "a risky decision that can tank [your] business overnight". If the software your business depends on can't run indefinitely without getting permission to operate from someone else's systems, then you're perpetually at risk of someone else tanking your business because they decided that you can no longer use that software.
    • redserk 4mo ago
      Anyone doing product integrations should recognize it’s a perpetual risk but why stick to the platform that will require US citizenship demands for future models especially when there are other labs with reasonably comparable performance that don’t require this? Anthropic didn’t have to beg for the government to deem their models a security crisis.
      • simoncion 4mo ago
        > ...especially when there are other labs with reasonably comparable performance that don’t require this? This access restriction could be 1) A legitimate concern about capabilities. 2) A hype-generation scheme entered into by both the Federal Government and Anthropic. 3) Pettiness. If we're in situation #1 or #3, then there are no other LLM providers that provide comparable services that are safe from this. If we're in situation #2... well, I guess how safe you are from this is a factor of how desperately the company needs "wau, look how scary our software is!1!1" hype.
    • sofixa 4mo ago
• hoytschermerhrn 4mo ago
  I’m a US citizen and absolutely will not be uploading additional information just to use a company’s models. This effectively kills my usage of anthropic for anything beyond their 4.8 models.
  • ElProlactin 4mo ago
    > I’m a US citizen and absolutely will not be uploading additional information just to use a company’s models. I can't speak to your specific use of Anthropic's models, but I find it interesting that people will identify themselves (to set up and pay for an account) and provide all sorts of personal (and often sensitive if not confidential) information to these models on a daily basis, but balk at a 5-minute identity verification.
    • -Fu 4mo ago
      It’s not the five minutes that I balk at, it’s entrusting a third party with all they need to steal my identity. But of course, they’ll never get hacked…
      • mcv 4mo ago
        And to me, it's specifically that that third party is Peter Thiel. Not the guy I want to trust with my data.
      • ElProlactin 4mo ago
        It's not like Anthropic is the only company in the world that would have the basic details contained on a driver's license or passport. Odds are all of the PII required for someone to steal your identity is already in criminal hands. The National Public Data breach alone exposed the social security numbers of potentially upwards of 100 million Americans. Numerous companies have literally "all" of your personal data and you never did business with them/gave it to them directly. It's not right but the identity theft cat is out of the bag, which is why precautions like credit freezes, are recommended for all Americans.
• ozozozd 4mo ago
  This is a strange plea for optimism. Sincerely or not, judgement is yours, Dario has been begging for regulation. He has been talking about how Claude models are distilled by foreign adversaries. And now the regulation is here. What makes you think this situation that the CEO of Anthropic is asking for it temporary? Do you not believe Dario was sincere?
  • pegasus 4mo ago
    Do you sincerely believe Dario wants Fable to be restricted to US citizens only?
    • rexthonyy 4mo ago
      [dead]
    • shevy-java 4mo ago
      Why else would they demand age sniffing? I do not want to give my private data to any company, yet alone those hostiles US companies that obey the orange king. Insanity has to be contained, not allowed to spread outside of the USA. So, no to age sniffing. The UK is also suspect here. I don't understand why they are even worse than the USA here. Someone needs to fix the UK legislation - it is by far the worst. On audits they regularly detain people and pat them down. See Auditing Britain or DJ Audits; the US Audits on the other hand almost never reach that level of escalation. Something is fundamentally flawed in the UK.
      • pc86 4mo ago
        The UK has been worse than the US on privacy and basically any privacy-adjacent right for like 50 years, if not longer.
    • airhangerf15 4mo ago
      No, he wants regulatory capture. I think if the mask ever came off, he'd want the government to come in and crush Hugging Face, Civitai and any other distribution of open weight models, forcing everyone to go through an authorized provider like Antrhopic, under some bullshit about everything else being "too dangerous." He's no better than Sam Alternative-Man and any media disagreement is likely just smoke and mirrors to make it seem like they're two players in the field when in reality, it's getting incredibly cramped.
• sofixa 4mo ago
  > We’ve had export restrictions on different chips and even cryptography software in the past. But not on a SaaS whose continued availability you'd rely on. In any case, your optimism is bordering on naivety. The world has seen how the US can easily disregard anything and act arbitrarily - sanctions, tariffs, shutting down access to SaaSes - and this will not be forgotten. As you say, administrations change. Even if next time around there are competent adults in the White House (which really isn't a given), do you really want to bet your business on that not changing 4 years later? There's a reason why all the big cloud providers are constantly shouting about their "sovereign" solutions. The US has broken everyone's trust and there is no going back on that.
• moomin 4mo ago
  US controls on cryptography software lasted _20 years_. If there's something I'm absolutely certain of, and I'm certain of very little in the fields of AI and of politics, it's that Fable will be utterly irrelevant in 20 years time.
• shevy-java 4mo ago
  > Despite what’s being implied everywhere, this ID check page has been there since April. Well, irrespective over as to whether this is the case, the blog entry from claude came yesterday, aka June: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14328960-identity-verification-on-claude https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14328960-identity-ver... So, why the two months delay here? If they felt all was already said, they would not have had a need to repeat what they wrote two months ago already that mandatory age sniffing is required for all claude users.
• jampekka 4mo ago
  Crypto export ban lasted only about 45 years. :)
• epolanski 4mo ago
  > These situations pass. Administrations change. Technology evolves. We’ve had export restrictions on different chips and even cryptography software in the past. It doesn’t last forever. The big problem American policy makers (and business leaders) don't understand is that they tend to minimize or ridicule extremely serious events. There's a pre-Greenland and post-Greenland annexation threats for European Nato allies, and it is non reversible. EU allies do not forget that the US (the only country to ever call article 5 or to gather NATO allies for operations) has both mistreated the alliance, and has been the only power to threaten militarily EU countries. Same happens here. Business-level wise, you seem to be talking with a very American-centric point-of-view, like these events are minor and temporary issues and we're all here waiting to throw money at an abusive relationship. But this is not how we operate in EU. None of us can afford to build their operations based on uncertainty of US export controls. The damage is here and many of us are replacing Claude/GPT subscriptions with shared opencode servers using GLM and DS4. Might be slightly worse? Probably. But we can work on it, harness it, get experience, and even update back to American models at some point. But we're no longer going to be building assuming US models availability.
• asdfsa32 4mo ago
  > We’ve had export restrictions on different chips and even cryptography software in the past. It doesn’t last forever. Yeah, in the long everything will happen, from 1,2,3,4,5, and 6 being the winning Powerball numbers to heat death of the universe, but as the colloquial goes "ain't nobody got time for that!" Once an institution or person has proven that they will take adverse action against you, it is foolish to bank on them again.
• Citizen_Lame 4mo ago
  These are obvious lies. But whatever man, they just updated privacy policy to say they may ask you to verify age or identity.