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> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks...

by blitzar 4mo ago

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

dash2 4mo ago
I mean, for most of the world that is not the gotcha you think it is…
- satvikpendem 4mo ago
  It's not supposed to be a gotcha, it's supposed to be an example of the hypocrisy of the government.
  - mikey_p 4mo ago
    Similar example Ohio legislature makes it illegal to drive with any THC of Cannabis products in the passenger compartment to crack down on people driving high, but there is nothing to prevent you driving with an open bottle of prescription opiates or benzos and popping those while you drive.
  - altairprime 4mo ago
    Bad choice of example, then. Restricting things that are uniquely and critical to planning and executing school shootings is a highly desirable outcome for regulation, in the eyes of a society that desires its youth to grow up without constant threat of murder at their mandatory educational institutions. That desire is not particularly uniform in the U.S. right now, in contrast with much of the world. Choosing murder sprees as an example supports regulations that have societal safety benefits, which is the opposite of what was intended. Perhaps a different example might have the desired effect?
    - Dylan16807 4mo ago
      > Restricting things that are uniquely and critical to planning and executing Which it isn't. I thought that was the point, that it's an excuse to "protect" in a way that doesn't actually protect. In which case it's a good example.
- IshKebab 4mo ago
  Most of the world didn't ban Fable.
graphime 4mo ago
> Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next? No. Because us Americans don’t care about school shootings. I’d rather the government invest in S&P500 going higher. You overestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings in America.
- rocketpastsix 4mo ago
  I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings.
  - graphime 4mo ago
    > I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings. Less than 1% of the population, that’s for sure. You remember the last protest about school shootings? Neither do I.
    - throwaway-11-1 4mo ago
      I get what you’re saying but in the last 20 years can you think of any mass protest that accomplished anything substantial? I don’t really blame people for giving up on it as a tool for change. TBH only truly effective one I can think of would be Jan 6
      - graphime 4mo ago
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        boston_clone 4mo ago
        January Sixth was not a protest, it was an attempt to interfere with government processes to prevent Biden from being elected - so a really shitty attempt at a coup.
        vrganj 4mo ago
        It was a protest as much as the Beer Hall Putsch was.
logicchains 4mo ago
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- Topfi 4mo ago
  SSRIs are a first line treatment across many EU countries too, yet we somehow manage.
  - vjvjvjvjghv 4mo ago
    When I grew up in Germany, I had some pretty bad phases during my teens. I wonder if I had had easy access to guns together with lots of information and videos about shooters on the internet, maybe I would have thought about that too. I didn't have any of those so I sometimes thought about suicide but never about shooting others. The US has a combination of SSRIs (maybe that's a factor, we don't know for sure), easy access to guns, gun culture, glorification of violence and vigilantism and over the last decades a lot of school shooters to imitate. Basically a ton of risk factors combined.
- m-hodges 4mo ago
  > That's why school shootings pretty much never happened before the 1970s This claim is gonna need a lot more evidence.
  - logicchains 4mo ago
    Here's from Wikipedia all the mass shootings conducted by students prior to the 1970s. They're incredibly infrequent compared to the shootings of today, March 26, 1893 – Plain Dealing, Louisiana (Plain Dealing High School): During an evening school dance, a fight broke out. Students fired shots, killing two immediately, fatally wounding two more, and injuring a professor (total: 4 killed, 1 wounded). December 12, 1898 – Charleston, West Virginia: Young men (including students/former students in the context of a school exhibition) disrupted an event, leading to a brawl with gunfire. At least 6 killed (including students) and 4+ wounded in the chaos. July 21, 1903 – Jackson, Kentucky (Cave Run School): Students James Barrett and Mack Howard dueled with pistols over a card game, killing each other; a 12-year-old bystander student was wounded (total: 2 killed, 1 wounded). November 16, 1904 – Riverside, California (Indian School): A gunfight between pupils resulted in one student killed, another fatally wounded, and one wounded (total: 2 killed, 1 wounded). October 8, 1950 – New Orleans, Louisiana (Booker T. Washington High School): Suspected gangsters (youths tied to students) fired on each other; 6 bystanders wounded. May 5, 1956 – Seat Pleasant, Maryland (Maryland Park Junior High School): 15-year-old student Billy Ray Prevatte returned with a rifle after a reprimand and shot staff: 1 teacher killed, 2 injured (total: 3 victims). October 17, 1961 – Denver, Colorado (Morey Junior High School): 14-year-old Tennyson Beard argued with a classmate, shot and wounded him, then fatally shot another student (total: 1 killed, 1–2 wounded). October 5, 1966 – Grand Rapids, Minnesota (Grand Rapids High School): 15-year-old student David Black killed a school administrator and seriously wounded another student (total: 1 killed, 1 wounded).
throwawaytea 4mo ago
One infringes on a specific constitutional right. Also, this country would get even more dangerous without good citizens owning guns. IMO it's like herd immunity. Not everyone has guns. But the criminals don't know who does and who doesn't, so in a way they treat all homes as potentially being armed. Our criminals are already pretty care free, I can't imagine how much worse it would be if they KNEW no one was armed.
- antinomicus 4mo ago
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- EmoteSupportBot 4mo ago
  The brainwashing is truly staggering isn't it?
  - Cider9986 4mo ago
    A waste of an aged account.
- mindslight 4mo ago
  While there is some truth here, it's worth noting that firearms are far from a deterrent - these days, many criminals are often enraged by a victim having a gun and end up escalating further. Earlier this year there was a gang execution in Minneapolis that was prominent national news. The thugs were probably just going to kick the shit out of the victim, but when they discovered he merely had a gun, they took it from him and then held him down and shot him repeatedly in the back. Or there was another famous killing in Louisville about 6 years back. It started off as a simple night time home invasion but when one of the residents started to defend themselves by firing a warning shot, the perps responded by turning the home into a shooting gallery and ended up killing the other resident. So these days it's more of a toss up because we're not in the Wild West or even Paul Kersey's cities, but rather subject to highly organized crime that demands supplicating obedience and will readily retaliate against anyone who tries to defend themselves.
newsclues 4mo ago
Canada had a school shooter that used ai tools and the public has not been informed of what happened in the chat
- morkalork 4mo ago
  It's OK tho, Sam personally apologized for that oopsie.
  - disillusioned 4mo ago
    The specific breadth of that oopsie, to recall, was that multiple human reviewers recommended escalation to law enforcement, and were rebuffed. So the system _almost_ worked except for an unforced error and people died as a direct result. Oopsie, indeed.
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- disillusioned 4mo ago
  Hard to put an economic damage value on the psychological scarring of everyone in the country sending their kid to school with this in the back of their minds, to say nothing of security theater put in place in an attempt to assuage those concerns. But, sure. Crowdstrike oopsie wiped out a lot more market cap, so I guess that's the priority.
vfclists 4mo ago
Why has HN become utterly useless as a place where meaningful discussions can be held? A response concerning the model being prompted for information that could be used to aid cyberattaks ie - "Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?" floats right to the top of the comment listings and the responses are quite irrelevant. What is it with this place? In the past I came to see what the comments about the articles were is hoping they would share more light on the topic. Right now they are totally meaningless.

by blitzar 4mo ago

dash2 4mo ago

I mean, for most of the world that is not the gotcha you think it is…

satvikpendem 4mo ago
It's not supposed to be a gotcha, it's supposed to be an example of the hypocrisy of the government.
- mikey_p 4mo ago
  Similar example Ohio legislature makes it illegal to drive with any THC of Cannabis products in the passenger compartment to crack down on people driving high, but there is nothing to prevent you driving with an open bottle of prescription opiates or benzos and popping those while you drive.
- altairprime 4mo ago
  Bad choice of example, then. Restricting things that are uniquely and critical to planning and executing school shootings is a highly desirable outcome for regulation, in the eyes of a society that desires its youth to grow up without constant threat of murder at their mandatory educational institutions. That desire is not particularly uniform in the U.S. right now, in contrast with much of the world. Choosing murder sprees as an example supports regulations that have societal safety benefits, which is the opposite of what was intended. Perhaps a different example might have the desired effect?
  - Dylan16807 4mo ago
    > Restricting things that are uniquely and critical to planning and executing Which it isn't. I thought that was the point, that it's an excuse to "protect" in a way that doesn't actually protect. In which case it's a good example.
IshKebab 4mo ago
Most of the world didn't ban Fable.

graphime 4mo ago

> Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next? No. Because us Americans don’t care about school shootings. I’d rather the government invest in S&P500 going higher. You overestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings in America.

rocketpastsix 4mo ago
I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings.
- graphime 4mo ago
  > I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings. Less than 1% of the population, that’s for sure. You remember the last protest about school shootings? Neither do I.
  - throwaway-11-1 4mo ago
    I get what you’re saying but in the last 20 years can you think of any mass protest that accomplished anything substantial? I don’t really blame people for giving up on it as a tool for change. TBH only truly effective one I can think of would be Jan 6
    - graphime 4mo ago
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      - boston_clone 4mo ago
        January Sixth was not a protest, it was an attempt to interfere with government processes to prevent Biden from being elected - so a really shitty attempt at a coup.
      - vrganj 4mo ago
        It was a protest as much as the Beer Hall Putsch was.

logicchains 4mo ago

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Topfi 4mo ago
SSRIs are a first line treatment across many EU countries too, yet we somehow manage.
- vjvjvjvjghv 4mo ago
  When I grew up in Germany, I had some pretty bad phases during my teens. I wonder if I had had easy access to guns together with lots of information and videos about shooters on the internet, maybe I would have thought about that too. I didn't have any of those so I sometimes thought about suicide but never about shooting others. The US has a combination of SSRIs (maybe that's a factor, we don't know for sure), easy access to guns, gun culture, glorification of violence and vigilantism and over the last decades a lot of school shooters to imitate. Basically a ton of risk factors combined.
m-hodges 4mo ago
> That's why school shootings pretty much never happened before the 1970s This claim is gonna need a lot more evidence.
- logicchains 4mo ago
  Here's from Wikipedia all the mass shootings conducted by students prior to the 1970s. They're incredibly infrequent compared to the shootings of today, March 26, 1893 – Plain Dealing, Louisiana (Plain Dealing High School): During an evening school dance, a fight broke out. Students fired shots, killing two immediately, fatally wounding two more, and injuring a professor (total: 4 killed, 1 wounded). December 12, 1898 – Charleston, West Virginia: Young men (including students/former students in the context of a school exhibition) disrupted an event, leading to a brawl with gunfire. At least 6 killed (including students) and 4+ wounded in the chaos. July 21, 1903 – Jackson, Kentucky (Cave Run School): Students James Barrett and Mack Howard dueled with pistols over a card game, killing each other; a 12-year-old bystander student was wounded (total: 2 killed, 1 wounded). November 16, 1904 – Riverside, California (Indian School): A gunfight between pupils resulted in one student killed, another fatally wounded, and one wounded (total: 2 killed, 1 wounded). October 8, 1950 – New Orleans, Louisiana (Booker T. Washington High School): Suspected gangsters (youths tied to students) fired on each other; 6 bystanders wounded. May 5, 1956 – Seat Pleasant, Maryland (Maryland Park Junior High School): 15-year-old student Billy Ray Prevatte returned with a rifle after a reprimand and shot staff: 1 teacher killed, 2 injured (total: 3 victims). October 17, 1961 – Denver, Colorado (Morey Junior High School): 14-year-old Tennyson Beard argued with a classmate, shot and wounded him, then fatally shot another student (total: 1 killed, 1–2 wounded). October 5, 1966 – Grand Rapids, Minnesota (Grand Rapids High School): 15-year-old student David Black killed a school administrator and seriously wounded another student (total: 1 killed, 1 wounded).

throwawaytea 4mo ago

One infringes on a specific constitutional right. Also, this country would get even more dangerous without good citizens owning guns. IMO it's like herd immunity. Not everyone has guns. But the criminals don't know who does and who doesn't, so in a way they treat all homes as potentially being armed. Our criminals are already pretty care free, I can't imagine how much worse it would be if they KNEW no one was armed.

antinomicus 4mo ago
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- throwaway85825 4mo ago
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EmoteSupportBot 4mo ago
The brainwashing is truly staggering isn't it?
- Cider9986 4mo ago
  A waste of an aged account.
mindslight 4mo ago
While there is some truth here, it's worth noting that firearms are far from a deterrent - these days, many criminals are often enraged by a victim having a gun and end up escalating further. Earlier this year there was a gang execution in Minneapolis that was prominent national news. The thugs were probably just going to kick the shit out of the victim, but when they discovered he merely had a gun, they took it from him and then held him down and shot him repeatedly in the back. Or there was another famous killing in Louisville about 6 years back. It started off as a simple night time home invasion but when one of the residents started to defend themselves by firing a warning shot, the perps responded by turning the home into a shooting gallery and ended up killing the other resident. So these days it's more of a toss up because we're not in the Wild West or even Paul Kersey's cities, but rather subject to highly organized crime that demands supplicating obedience and will readily retaliate against anyone who tries to defend themselves.

newsclues 4mo ago

Canada had a school shooter that used ai tools and the public has not been informed of what happened in the chat

morkalork 4mo ago
It's OK tho, Sam personally apologized for that oopsie.
- disillusioned 4mo ago
  The specific breadth of that oopsie, to recall, was that multiple human reviewers recommended escalation to law enforcement, and were rebuffed. So the system _almost_ worked except for an unforced error and people died as a direct result. Oopsie, indeed.
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disillusioned 4mo ago
Hard to put an economic damage value on the psychological scarring of everyone in the country sending their kid to school with this in the back of their minds, to say nothing of security theater put in place in an attempt to assuage those concerns. But, sure. Crowdstrike oopsie wiped out a lot more market cap, so I guess that's the priority.

vfclists 4mo ago

Why has HN become utterly useless as a place where meaningful discussions can be held? A response concerning the model being prompted for information that could be used to aid cyberattaks ie - "Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?" floats right to the top of the comment listings and the responses are quite irrelevant. What is it with this place? In the past I came to see what the comments about the articles were is hoping they would share more light on the topic. Right now they are totally meaningless.