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US-Canada border library gets new Quebec-only entrance
- Octoth0rpe 4mo agowow, that caused me quite a bit of confusion > Haskell Free Library Has zero to do with haskell the language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskell_Free_Library_and_Opera_House https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskell_Free_Library_and_Opera...
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- _verandaguy 4mo agoBelieve it or not, the library predates the understanding of monads as a mathematical concept! Though it can be argued it is an example of a functor (the library is mapped over two countries).
- Forgeties79 4mo agoJust makes me sad.
- boringg 4mo agoAgreed. Rupture is real and permanent, driven by one side.
- nemomarx 4mo agoIt's not an unfair reaction to the main entrance being closed, but it is a little sad. The northern border used to be so much more flexible and I don't see any real benefits from doing all this.
- daveguy 4mo agoTo a wannabe authoritarian, fear and uncertainty are benefits. They love to flex in shitty ways.
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- Beannation 4mo agoI really hope we get back to times where we were really best friends. It was good for both countries and was a model for international relationships/partnerships.
- bluGill 4mo agoWrite your congressman. If congress decides the people care things will change, but when they hear nothing they don't care.
- Beannation 4mo agoIm Canadian, so I cant do much to affect American policy. I'm generally happy with how Canada's politicians are handling this situation. I do hope more Americans do what you say, it is why democracy exists.
- throwaway27448 4mo ago> If congress decides the people care things will change Hah
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- zulux 4mo agoThis idea is adorable, but ultimately untenable if either country drifts in its views on how its citizens should behave. I suspect that Canada isn't fond of how Americans view guns, and I suspect that the US is not quite on board with blasphemy/hurty-words laws. I suspect the divergence will grow.
- Forgeties79 4mo agoCultural differences are not why this happened. This is explicitly because of the trump administration and its draconian approach to immigration. This is a very symbolic and sad thing to see happen
- jeromegv 4mo agoThis... has... nothing to do... with how the 2 countries view guns or blasphemy laws (??). This library worked well for a hundred of year, and then the US government decided they wanted to invade Canada, wage an economic war, and needed to protect their border at all cost in case an invasion of migrants would come from... that library.
- llm_nerd 4mo agoKristi "Dog Killer" Noem did a little act in the library where she jumped between the American and Canadian sides, saying "51st state" every time she went to the Canadian side. Which is unbelievably pathetic: When you have to deploy rape tactics to try to get someone to join you (while simultaneously trying to convince everyone how wonderful and great you are) -- something many in this administration are very accustomed to -- how completely busted and pathetic is your country? This whole administration is just vile, and are long past the point where there should have been an uprising. Just an absolute idiocracy. A worldwide pariah, spiralling down the toilet.
- skipants 4mo ago> I suspect that Canada isn't fond of how Americans view guns I'm putting this into my overflowing bucket of internet comments that doesn't "get" Canadians. Sorry to be curt but, since Canada-USA relations has been more at the forefront, I've seen too many comments that just "don't get it" and it riles me up each time. They've had the 2nd amendment since their country was founded. It has no bearing on relations between the two countries, both at a micro and macro level. We respect that they are their own country and have their own ways of doing things, which isn't even the same across each state. We respect US sovereignty over their own laws. It's the lack of respect for ours by the current US administration that is upsetting. That's basically all its come down to. Oh, and the tariffs don't help either.
- Scoundreller 4mo agoThere’s a joke to be made with this headline: is there now an entrance for Canadians, Americans and a new 3rd one for Quebeckers that refuse to use an entrance for Canadians?
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- pluc 4mo agoThat's a pretty good example of US-Canada relations. That entrance isn't getting closed when the US regains its sanity. The new reality is that it exists now.
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- mschuster91 4mo agoThat's bollocks, the majority of immigrants to the US come from their Southern border.
- cwmma 4mo agoIt depends on the year, sometimes it's actually visa overstays.
- jmye 4mo agoMillions from specific countries? Over decades, or do you not actually know anything about Canadian immigration? How "often" do they "illegally immigrate to the US"? Come on, be specific. Surely this isn't absolute bullshit.
- 8note 4mo agothis remains an american problem for creating a demand for underpaid and untracked workers
- sschueller 4mo ago"Mr. Trump, tear down this wall."
- mindslight 4mo agoI wonder what this regime's Swan Lake is going to be. Probably medication commercials.
- nubinetwork 4mo agoNot the first time something like this has happened either. A small road in Montana/Alberta is being sectioned off because it sits on the border... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly7gl95nnpo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly7gl95nnpo
- mschuster91 4mo agoTruly, Trump is an inverse Midas - everything he touched turns to shit. Even if the Trump/MAGA administration goes peacefully (the fact that one has to state this as a possibility instead of a certainty is shocking enough), the Canadian road will remain, a permanent reminder of the idiocy.
- slater 4mo ago> the fact that one has to state this as a possibility instead of a certainty is shocking enough yeah.. i get the feeling they learned from J6, and won't make those same mistakes again :(
- sowbug 4mo agoRelated: episode 653 of 99% Invisible mentions Peace Arch Park, which is along the US-Canada border in Blaine, Washington, and Surrey, British Columbia. Anyone from either country can enter the park and mingle with people from the other country. There's supposedly strong incentive, because of a treaty from the War of 1812, for both countries to keep their side of the park open: If Canada broke the treaty, in theory, the U.S. could lay claim to parts of Ontario and Quebec. And if America broke it, Canada could get parts of Maine, Michigan, and Wisconsin. So, basically, North American geography as we know it is contingent on this early 1800s treaty remaining in effect. The podcast was from December -- an eternity ago in these interesting times -- and I don't know whether anything has changed since then. https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/653-beyond-the-99-invisible-city/ https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/653-beyond-the-99-inv...
- highpost 4mo agoWe went to Peace Arch Park several times during COVID to visit relatives in Canada. And then I noticed the tents on the eastern edge of the park. What's that all about? I called it the End Zone. Couples separated by the border would meet there. One park ranger said he saw things he couldn't unsee...
- martey 4mo agoThis is a good story, but you can read both the Treaty of Ghent (which ended the War of 1812 while keeping the US-Canada border the same) and Rush-Bagot (which restricted naval fleets on the Great Lakes and Lake Champlain). Neither document states anything about the border needing to remain open or without barriers. The podcast's transcript suggests that their source for this is https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/peace-arch-us-side-picnic-access-for-canadians-1.5635031 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/peace-arch-u.... The person confidently claiming that any closure of the park would result in catastrophe is an immigration lawyer, not a historian: "Saunders said the treaty stipulates there could not be any boundaries or physical barriers erected on the northern border of the U.S. — and if either side violated that treaty — the boundaries revert back to pre-treaty." Since the Treaty of Ghent restored the pre-War of 1812 borders of both the United States and Canada, this doesn't make any sense. Canadian historian C. P. Stacey states that the period after the War of 1812 actually saw more border fortification than the years before (https://www.jstor.org/stable/1840618 https://www.jstor.org/stable/1840618). I mentioned that the idea that a 19th century treaty keeps the US-Canada border demilitarized was a good story, but I think the truth is an even better one: that the border is demilitarized because both countries know that they can trust their neighbor. Let's hope it stays that way.
- icase 4mo agoen tant que séparatiste québécois, moi, ça me va
- _verandaguy 4mo agoIsn't it usually "souverainiste?"
- icase 4mo agobeats me. i’m an anglophonic quebec separatist who asked an LLM how to say it in a shitposty way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- _verandaguy 4mo agoThank you for this meaningful contribution to the discussion.
- stldev 4mo agoAs an American, I'm deeply ashamed of m̶y̶ this country. I don't expect the damage to be undone within my lifetime.
- josefritzishere 4mo agoAll of North America should have open borders like a Schengen zone. This xenophobia is bad for the economy.
- stuxnet79 4mo agoBelieve me an open border would do nothing but increase xenophobia. Canada is dealing with its own immigration crisis with a ton of newcomers DDoSing the overextended healthcare system and real estate market.
- greggoB 4mo agoEurope has open borders and this hasn't facilitated any increase in xenophobia that I'm aware of, despite many countries having many immigrants. South Africa by contrast does not have open borders, and is currently going through another bout of violent xenophobia. I don't think these two things are specifically related.
- engineer_22 4mo ago> hasn't facilitated any increase in xenophobia that I'm aware of My friends in Europe describe the situation differently
- greggoB 4mo agoWhere would they be located?
- lmm 4mo ago> hasn't facilitated any increase in xenophobia that I'm aware of Then you haven't been paying attention. > South Africa by contrast does not have open borders, and is currently going through another bout of violent xenophobia. Arguably a legacy of the time when it did.
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- Towaway69 4mo agoMaybe it's time for a European President to come and visit, speak these important words[1]: > Mr. Trump, tear down this door! [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tear_down_this_wall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tear_down_this_wall!
- calmbonsai 4mo agoIt should not have been necessary, but this is the new reality under the U.S.'s recent lack of probity. I'm so glad both towns an other private donors pulled together to make this happen.