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100%. Unfortunately those not in the depths of mission critical systems or regulated products will continue to believe that producing tons of code quickly using

by rvz 5mo ago

100%. Unfortunately those not in the depths of mission critical systems or regulated products will continue to believe that producing tons of code quickly using LLMs without humans in these systems is acceptable. Here's an example of what we will continue to see with folks fully immersed in gen AI psychosis: "The creator of claude code said that he no longer writes code for about 6 months and now has Claude doing all his work now. He also said recently that he no longer prompts Claude and now has it running in loops and it is self-improving itself and performing better than a human!" If the code produced by the LLM is perfect, the LLM takes the credit. But when a disaster happens, you cannot blame the LLM and it then falls on the human who did it. I don't think SWEs heavily vibe-coding with LLMs realize the risk in not understanding what the code the LLM being produced is doing even after generating tests (lol). We will see more of this too. [0] [0] https://sketch.dev/blog/our-first-outage-from-llm-written-code https://sketch.dev/blog/our-first-outage-from-llm-written-co...

oceanplexian 5mo ago
Why is it such a dramatic statement for Boris to claim that he no longer writes code? Are people on HN still typing out functions by hand one character at a time? It would be like a developer in 2020 claiming that he only writes assembly because compilers can’t be trusted. No one is taking that person seriously. If you chose a career in tech you made a decision to work in one of the fastest moving fields in human history. Now it’s time to get over it, learn the new tools and adapt.
- bigstrat2003 5mo ago
  > Now it’s time to get over it, learn the new tools and adapt. No, thank you. I have used the new tools, determined that they aren't helpful to me, and set them aside as I would with any other bad tool. I don't feel the need to let hype take the steering wheel.
  - chipsrafferty 5mo ago
    Let me guess, you used them 12 months ago?
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- rvz 5mo ago
  > Now it’s time to get over it, learn the new tools and adapt. Exactly. You are free to use openclaw or a coding agent to build a competing bank, hedge-fund, hospital or even a new airliner because the previous ones were built by humans. Surely an AI can do it better by itself. So why haven't you done it yet?
- rjrjrjrj 5mo ago
  C'mon, the LLM/compiler false analogy? In 2026?
- troupo 5mo ago
  > Why is it such a dramatic statement for Boris to claim that he no longer writes code? Because we can actually see the disjointed slop that Anthropic produces. And when issues happen, they can't fix them for weeks on end because no one understands what code does anymore, and all of their "hard problems causing issues" they blog about are literally "if we had actual engineers this wouldn't even be an issue to begin with". Like this bullshit they had in spring: https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/april-23-postmortem https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/april-23-postmortem > It would be like a developer in 2020 claiming that he only writes assembly because compilers can’t be trusted. LLMs are not compilers. For a few very obvious reasons I'll leave as an exercise to figure out
- solenoid0937 5mo ago
  It is because HN is contrarian and behind the times. I work at a big tech company and I don't know a single person that still hand writes code. Most people haven't hand written code for at least half a year now. I do wonder what sort of bug is making its rounds on HN that people here find this so shocking and unbelievable.
  - troupo 5mo ago
    The bug is called "applying actual engineering principles and critical thinking". The absolute vast majority of people who point out AI's downsides have used it and use it. People who uncritically write things like "I work at a big tech company and I don't know a single person that still hand writes code." scare the shit out of us for a good reason.
    - solenoid0937 5mo ago
      Using it is not enough. You have to explore its boundaries, see what it can do when cost is not a constraint. This is only really possible at the big tech companies and well funded startups. Any eng that is only using Claude Code or Codex or whatever, is frankly not entitled to talk about AI's limits since they are using the most basic harnesses. They literally don't know better. When I see Claude Code or Codex users on HN talking about how coding with AI is risky, it's like watching someone that has only ever seen a catapult argue about how space travel must be impossible.
      - camdenreslink 5mo ago
        > Any eng that is only using Claude Code or Codex or whatever, is frankly not entitled to talk about AI's limits since they are using the most basic harnesses. They literally don't know better. I really doubt big tech has much better harnesses than are publicly available. Definitely not "catapult vs space travel". They have the same base models we all have access to.
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- msm_ 5mo ago
  >Are people on HN still typing out functions by hand one character at a time? Well I use tab completion, of course. And I copy-paste snippets from LLM more often than from SO now. But otherwise not much has changed in my career in the last 5 years. Is this different for you? I'm not fundamentally opposed to code generation, and I use LLMs for some taks, but I don't see myself vibecoding whole pages of production code. I vibecoded a throwaway note-taking app for myself though.
  - chipsrafferty 5mo ago
    Yes. If you're copy posting code from LLMs you're in the minority of people who are "in the past". Most people are generating most of their code in ~1-200 LOC chunks, reviewing it, adjusting as needed (usually with another prompt) and then opening a PR, which gets reviewed both my LLM and other teammates.
    - sensanaty 5mo ago
      Citations very much needed on the "most" here. I'm in a huge corpo with ~1500ish devs and the large majority of code is still very much handwritten, and we have access to all the AI tools imaginable (it's not forced on us because they treat us like professionals that will use the most appropriate tools to do the job, thankfully).
  - latentsea 5mo ago
    Our whole team has transitioned to agentic engineering around the start of this year. We've been heavily investing in harness engineering to ensure final outputs are production quality and not slop. These days it very much feels like the task has shifted from "building the system" to "building the system that builds the system". It only looks to be trending one way.
- matkoniecz 5mo ago
  > Are people on HN still typing out functions by hand one character at a time? Yes, me. Yes, I tried LLMs for what I am doing and will try again in few months. No, there was no noticeable or clear improvement over doing it manually. Yes, I am using some LLMs for some purposes but Claude Code had slight improvement, if any, not worth introducing proprietary dependency.
- lelanthran 5mo ago
  > Now it’s time to get over it, learn the new tools and adapt. If the AI is producing what you tell it to, why are you needed?
  - pyth0 5mo ago
    You answered your own question... you are needed to tell it what to do. Let's not pretend that someone with prior software skills will be able to produce larger scale and/or higher quality work compared to someone with no experience.
    - camdenreslink 5mo ago
      > Let's not pretend that someone with prior software skills will be able to produce larger scale and/or higher quality work compared to someone with no experience. This seems like a really confident prediction. It isn't true right now, why do you think it will be true in the future? Right now having knowledge and experience is a huge benefit to steering the LLM (it makes dumb decisions all the time still).
      - pyth0 5mo ago
        I totally intended to say "let's not pretend that ... will NOT be able to". Typo and poorly worded, my mistake. I completely agree that the prior experience significantly amplifies what you can do with an LLM over someone without experience.

by rvz 5mo ago

oceanplexian 5mo ago

Why is it such a dramatic statement for Boris to claim that he no longer writes code? Are people on HN still typing out functions by hand one character at a time? It would be like a developer in 2020 claiming that he only writes assembly because compilers can’t be trusted. No one is taking that person seriously. If you chose a career in tech you made a decision to work in one of the fastest moving fields in human history. Now it’s time to get over it, learn the new tools and adapt.

bigstrat2003 5mo ago
> Now it’s time to get over it, learn the new tools and adapt. No, thank you. I have used the new tools, determined that they aren't helpful to me, and set them aside as I would with any other bad tool. I don't feel the need to let hype take the steering wheel.
- chipsrafferty 5mo ago
  Let me guess, you used them 12 months ago?
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rvz 5mo ago
> Now it’s time to get over it, learn the new tools and adapt. Exactly. You are free to use openclaw or a coding agent to build a competing bank, hedge-fund, hospital or even a new airliner because the previous ones were built by humans. Surely an AI can do it better by itself. So why haven't you done it yet?
rjrjrjrj 5mo ago
C'mon, the LLM/compiler false analogy? In 2026?
troupo 5mo ago
> Why is it such a dramatic statement for Boris to claim that he no longer writes code? Because we can actually see the disjointed slop that Anthropic produces. And when issues happen, they can't fix them for weeks on end because no one understands what code does anymore, and all of their "hard problems causing issues" they blog about are literally "if we had actual engineers this wouldn't even be an issue to begin with". Like this bullshit they had in spring: https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/april-23-postmortem https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/april-23-postmortem > It would be like a developer in 2020 claiming that he only writes assembly because compilers can’t be trusted. LLMs are not compilers. For a few very obvious reasons I'll leave as an exercise to figure out
solenoid0937 5mo ago
It is because HN is contrarian and behind the times. I work at a big tech company and I don't know a single person that still hand writes code. Most people haven't hand written code for at least half a year now. I do wonder what sort of bug is making its rounds on HN that people here find this so shocking and unbelievable.
- troupo 5mo ago
  The bug is called "applying actual engineering principles and critical thinking". The absolute vast majority of people who point out AI's downsides have used it and use it. People who uncritically write things like "I work at a big tech company and I don't know a single person that still hand writes code." scare the shit out of us for a good reason.
  - solenoid0937 5mo ago
    Using it is not enough. You have to explore its boundaries, see what it can do when cost is not a constraint. This is only really possible at the big tech companies and well funded startups. Any eng that is only using Claude Code or Codex or whatever, is frankly not entitled to talk about AI's limits since they are using the most basic harnesses. They literally don't know better. When I see Claude Code or Codex users on HN talking about how coding with AI is risky, it's like watching someone that has only ever seen a catapult argue about how space travel must be impossible.
    - camdenreslink 5mo ago
      > Any eng that is only using Claude Code or Codex or whatever, is frankly not entitled to talk about AI's limits since they are using the most basic harnesses. They literally don't know better. I really doubt big tech has much better harnesses than are publicly available. Definitely not "catapult vs space travel". They have the same base models we all have access to.
      - deleted 5mo ago
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msm_ 5mo ago
>Are people on HN still typing out functions by hand one character at a time? Well I use tab completion, of course. And I copy-paste snippets from LLM more often than from SO now. But otherwise not much has changed in my career in the last 5 years. Is this different for you? I'm not fundamentally opposed to code generation, and I use LLMs for some taks, but I don't see myself vibecoding whole pages of production code. I vibecoded a throwaway note-taking app for myself though.
- chipsrafferty 5mo ago
  Yes. If you're copy posting code from LLMs you're in the minority of people who are "in the past". Most people are generating most of their code in ~1-200 LOC chunks, reviewing it, adjusting as needed (usually with another prompt) and then opening a PR, which gets reviewed both my LLM and other teammates.
  - sensanaty 5mo ago
    Citations very much needed on the "most" here. I'm in a huge corpo with ~1500ish devs and the large majority of code is still very much handwritten, and we have access to all the AI tools imaginable (it's not forced on us because they treat us like professionals that will use the most appropriate tools to do the job, thankfully).
- latentsea 5mo ago
  Our whole team has transitioned to agentic engineering around the start of this year. We've been heavily investing in harness engineering to ensure final outputs are production quality and not slop. These days it very much feels like the task has shifted from "building the system" to "building the system that builds the system". It only looks to be trending one way.
matkoniecz 5mo ago
> Are people on HN still typing out functions by hand one character at a time? Yes, me. Yes, I tried LLMs for what I am doing and will try again in few months. No, there was no noticeable or clear improvement over doing it manually. Yes, I am using some LLMs for some purposes but Claude Code had slight improvement, if any, not worth introducing proprietary dependency.
lelanthran 5mo ago
> Now it’s time to get over it, learn the new tools and adapt. If the AI is producing what you tell it to, why are you needed?
- pyth0 5mo ago
  You answered your own question... you are needed to tell it what to do. Let's not pretend that someone with prior software skills will be able to produce larger scale and/or higher quality work compared to someone with no experience.
  - camdenreslink 5mo ago
    > Let's not pretend that someone with prior software skills will be able to produce larger scale and/or higher quality work compared to someone with no experience. This seems like a really confident prediction. It isn't true right now, why do you think it will be true in the future? Right now having knowledge and experience is a huge benefit to steering the LLM (it makes dumb decisions all the time still).
    - pyth0 5mo ago
      I totally intended to say "let's not pretend that ... will NOT be able to". Typo and poorly worded, my mistake. I completely agree that the prior experience significantly amplifies what you can do with an LLM over someone without experience.