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Funnily it probably runs Windows better than the typical corporate spyware burdened x86 laptop.
by bfrog 7mo ago
Funnily it probably runs Windows better than the typical corporate spyware burdened x86 laptop.
- nazgulsenpai 7mo agoTook 6 minutes from power button to login prompt this morning. Probably even longer from login responsive desktop. So yes, probably!
- amluto 7mo agoI’ve helped someone with a rather clean iMac, circa 2019, still supported by Apple. Forget 6 minutes — you can spend a full hour from boot to giving up trying to get anything done. I think that Apple has gotten so used to having fast storage in their machines that the newer OSes basically don’t work on spinning rust.
- asimovDev 7mo agothese iMacs have horrible Fusion drives (128GB SSD + 1TB HDD combo) iirc that fail often. Have you looked into that?
- kstrauser 7mo agoI bet this is it. I had a 2018 Mac Mini with a failing drive that moved like frozen molasses, but wasn't throwing obvious errors. Before it failed, it was slow compared to an SSD, but booted up in a reasonable amount of time and ran office apps just fine, just with a little startup lag. It was bad compared to an SDD, but not intolerably slow. If a Mac is running that slowly, there's probably a hardware issue.
- amluto 7mo agoIs there some reasonable way to check whether the Fusion drive is failing? Some quick searches suggest that Apple’s built in tooling doesn’t actually help much.
- kstrauser 7mo agoSorry, I don't remember the details and it was several years ago. I do remember looking at the Console log and seeing lots of drive timeouts.
- p_ing 7mo agoAPFS is not designed for spinning rust, so that tracks.
- asimovDev 7mo agowhat? on a semi modern CPU and a SATA / M2 SSD?? My Vista laptop on a spinning drive took that long to boot I am pretty sure. I am flabbergasted if this is true
- nazgulsenpai 7mo agoi5-1145g7, 16gb ddr5, nvme storage You should be flabbergasted. It's ridiculous.
- joe_mamba 7mo agoWouldn't corporate spyware equally burden the NEO? Especially more give the 8GB of RAM vs 16+ on X64 laptops? Chrome, Teams, IDEs, websites etc are equally bloated on both platforms.
- TiredOfLife 7mo agoThe cpu in Neo is 2-3 times faster.
- joe_mamba 7mo agoMy (former) corpo HP laptop with 16GB RAM had 75% RAM used at idle after a fresh boot with Outlook, Teams and all the copro shit running in the background. So the 8GB NEO CPU will spend its time swapping data from ram to disk versus the 16GB+ ones, given both being filled with corporate spyware and same heavy use cases. Also it isn't 2-3x faster, stop with the made up nonsense please. Just checked and my 3 year old AMD laptop is on par with the NEO geekbench score I found online (slower in single core but faster in multi core), not 2-3x slower.
- raw_anon_1111 7mo agoThis is another myth that needs to die. You can’t just look at Task manager and see that the OS is using extra memory and assume anything else loaded will cause swapping. Thats not how modern OS work.
- MBCook 7mo agoYep. A Neo will win a race with a similar speed Windows computer full of bundled crap and security slop. But it would work the other way around too. The nice thing about Macs is even if you see a lot of what Apple puts on the computers as useless trash (“Why the hell do I need iBooks?”) it’s not stuff running in the background interfering with everything you do the way bad PC security software bundled on cheap Windows PCs or forced by corporate often does. I can tell you my last work Mac slowed down noticeably (though not too bad, luckily) the day they decided to put the corporate security crud on it. The newer security crud we use now seems much better behaved though.
- kotaKat 7mo agoGeekbench 6 was around ~2600 single-core with the VM overhead for me. That's still punching above single-core power in its class for Windows machines and it makes me giggle. https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/17011372 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/17011372 This was the latest UTM in the App Store, so native Hypervisor.Framework access for arm64 Windows acceleration.
- Aurornis 7mo agoEvery thread about Windows on Hacker News includes claims about apps taking 30 seconds to launch, web pages taking 20 seconds to load, simple applications being unusable, and other extreme performance problems. These are puzzling for anyone (like me) who uses Windows at home without all of these extreme performance problems. That was until I realized how many reports are coming from people talking about their work laptops loaded with endpoint management and security software. Some of those endpoint control solutions are so heavy that the laptop feels like you've traveled back in time 15 years and you're using a mechanical hard drive.
- toast0 7mo agoCorporate spyware is pretty nasty, regardless of platform. When I was at FB, they had something that forced a kernel module that was incompatible with the next big OS release; and I had accidentally disabled the FB spyware scripts. I set /etc/hosts to immutable because I was tired of them fucking with it ... didn't realize that's why things were better for the next 3 months, until I did the major update and I had to fix things from safe mode ... where everything only barely works. Microsoft also puts a lot of crap into a default install that you may want to disable. Windows 11 with some judicious policy editor settings isn't so awful.
- zbentley 7mo agoI once worked on a computer for the US Government that felt slow. I counted nine (9) directly competitive and redundant endpoint protection products on it. Not nine different/only somewhat overlapping pieces of software from companies that were competitors. Nine equivalent products. I guess defender made ten.
- ASalazarMX 7mo agoTen protection layers! This is the reverse of the seven proxies meme.
- mounram 7mo agoCan you elaborate?
- kyriakos 7mo agocorporate laptops is the key here. take 2 identical laptops one with and one without the spyware - its night and day in both performance and battery life.
- gamblor956 7mo agoMy corporate spyware laden Surface ARM runs Windows faster than the Macbook Neo, but unlike the Neo can survive a fall onto a concrete floor. (Ask how I know...) My home laptop is even faster.
- Someone 7mo agoHow do you know a Neo cannot survive a fall onto a concrete floor? I think it would take at least ten tests each with a new machine to get some confidence of the impossibility of that.
- TiredOfLife 7mo agoUnless you are a time traveler that is very likely not true.