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I resigned from OpenAI
https://xcancel.com/kalinowski007/status/2030320074121478618 https://xcancel.com/kalinowski007/status/2030320074121478618
- structuredPizza 7mo agoAutocomplete > Automurk
- monkaiju 7mo agoAlways surprised when these "smart people" didn't see these things coming from several years away... Its honestly hard for me to believe it. Going to work for these big SV corps is and always has been directly in service of US empire, that's literally what built the valley in the first place.
- conartist6 7mo agoHaha that's what I thought, but my thought was that I can't believe Sam Altman didn't see a serious backlash coming when Anthropic rejected a contract saying "the only two things we won't do are mass surveillance and autonomous killer drones" and within 6 hours Sam was all over that.
- pan69 7mo agoIt's easier to defer principled decision making to the future while you can rake in the cash in the meantime.
- monkaiju 7mo agoYeah i think this is pretty much it tbh
- ClaudioAnthrop 7mo ago[dead]
- lostmsu 7mo agoTo save a click > I resigned from OpenAI. I care deeply about the Robotics team and the work we built together. This wasn’t an easy call. AI has an important role in national security. But surveillance of Americans without judicial oversight and lethal autonomy without human authorization are lines that deserved more deliberation than they got. This was about principle, not people. I have deep respect for Sam and the team, and I’m proud of what we built together.
- naveen99 7mo ago[flagged]
- afavour 7mo agoI don’t see the relevance in the question, the US does not have open borders. And if you’re suggesting AI is somehow magically able to detect citizen from non-citizen then your understanding of AI is woeful.
- brayhite 7mo agoIf it wasn’t for the space before the question mark, I’d have assumed you were a bot.
- naveen99 7mo agoI am not. But irrelevant.
- tastyface 7mo agoIt's trivially easy to find our criminals. After all, we made one our president.
- donkeybeer 7mo agoWho said anything about open borders? You are imagining fake things in your head and getting offended over them.
- LeoPanthera 7mo agoTheir justification rings hollow when they continue to use X.
- cozzyd 7mo agoLeaving a job is easy. Social media on the other hand...
- Jensson 7mo agoQuitting a job also have much more effect on the company than switching to a new social media platform, since every company have many times more users than they have employees.
- jmull 7mo agoDoesn't seem to be an equivalency there.
- idlerig 7mo agoThere isn't, just inserting politics into a discussion on principles.
- mkl 7mo agohttps://xcancel.com/kalinowski007/status/2030320074121478618 https://xcancel.com/kalinowski007/status/2030320074121478618 to see replies.
- wrs 7mo agoI have a hard time with this separation of “principle” from “people”. Isn’t it people who have principles?
- 000ooo000 7mo agoEasier to remain in the industry if you are shittalking principles instead of people.
- skeeter2020 7mo agoyep - it really softens your actions, which in this case seem like a big step. So if you respect the people, why didn't you stay? or if you disagree this strongly with their actions, how can you still respect them? I get that there's nuance, but this feels like they want to make a big ethical stand without burning any bridges. You can have one of those.
- pdpi 7mo agoThere are people I've worked with who I'll never worth with again. There are others I'd be willing to work with if they got their act together. "If you disagree this strongly with their actions, how can you still respect them?" is a decent description of the latter.
- Aurornis 7mo ago“It’s not X, it’s Y” is a common ChatGPT trope used to give a sense of depth to a statement but the specific contrast is generally murky like this. This Tweet was either written by ChatGPT or heavily influenced by ChatGPT style.
- ido 7mo agoSeeing as the guy worked at OpenAI maybe it's the other way around?
- reverius42 7mo ago
- kennywinker 7mo agoAnybody who stays at openai is signing on to build machines that will be used to kill innocent people and control people who think that’s a bad idea.
- ed_mercer 7mo agoI’m worried that China will build said killing machines and that we’ll be unprepared.
- orwin 7mo agoUnless you're living in Taiwan, I don't think you have a lot to prepare for.
- ethbr1 7mo agoJust wait until China gets to the next stage of capitalism. They're investing their trade surplus in assets around the world, especially the third world. When those assets start to go bad and/or the government nationalizes them? We'll see if China responds any differently than any of the other colonial powers with business interests.
- dbtc 7mo agoI'm worried that China will build said killing machines only because they see that we are and feel the need to be prepared.
- bilbo0s 7mo agoThis. Everyone will do this, because everyone will believe that everyone will do this. Even worse, there really is no guarantee that the great powers will create the best terminators. Everyone talks about China and the US. (And we should.) At the same time however, we should all keep in mind that nations from India and Indonesia, to North and South Korea will not be simply sitting on their hands while the US and China forge ahead. A future where 4 million dollar American or Chinese terminators are easily overwhelmed by thousands and thousands of 5 dollar Indian autonomous devices is not at all outside the realm of future possibilities. That's what makes it all so concerning. We can kind of see where it leads in terms of enhanced capability potential for non-state actors, but we can't really see a way to avoid that future.
- camillomiller 7mo agoIf you don’t wanna upset your stomach, don’t make the mistake of reading the replies. What a cesspool of humanity X is.
- threethirtytwo 7mo agoThat twitter post was clearly written by AI along with the instructions for the AI to avoid "tells" and other tropes common to AI. Absolutely nothing wrong with something written with AI. Just pointing it out.
- bombcar 7mo agoBut was it written with an OpenAI AI?
- threethirtytwo 7mo agoMust've been.
- Aeglaecia 7mo agoif that's the case, ai failed to remove the negative parallel construction (my current top ai smell aside from slanted inverted commas). what signs are there of this being ai asked not to sound like ai?
- threethirtytwo 7mo agoRight, that's the sign. Ai often fails to do what it's told. So that's the sign of it asked to not sound like an AI. I told AI to do this for my current post as well.
- Aeglaecia 7mo agook. do you see any more concrete signs? to me it smells like openai output with newlines removed. but aside from smell (and the negative parallel construction), one could argue that this may be the output of a human who has been influenced by the prose of ai.
- slopinthebag 7mo agoPerhaps there isn't really a functional difference.
- mrcwinn 7mo agoGood for Caitlin. Sam Altman is awful. He literally admitted on Twitter that they rushed their military contract to get it done. Are you kidding me? You rushed your military contract? Any employee who stays, especially given the financial cushion they have, is complicit. Shame on all of them. But here’s the sad truth: most of the knowledge workers at OpenAI won’t be of any value sometime soon because of the very tool they’re building.
- sudo_cowsay 7mo agoYou cant just blame everyone at OpenAI Everyone has their own unique situation
- mrcwinn 7mo agoWhatever happened to this all powerful non profit that would ensure OAI is doing right? Something tells me they just cashed in and run a corrupt shell at this point.
- paulryanrogers 7mo agoThe board did try. That's why OAI has a new board.
- Jordan-117 7mo agoIt's grimly amusing that a non-profit created to control superintelligent AI for the benefit of humanity couldn't even handle Silicon Valley PR politics.
- voganmother42 7mo agoRespect for standing up
- usr1106 7mo agoIn Germany it made it even to the general news https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/openai-managerin-caitlin-kalinowski-kuendigt-nach-umstrittenem-deal-mit-pentagon-a-30e406b8-bdb6-4a01-8f82-623223b3e094 https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/openai-manager... So it wouldn't even be worth a HN submission. Well, I think it can still go under exception for exceptional news.
- ta9000 7mo ago“I don’t think we should spy on Americans and I don’t think we should kill people without human oversight but I still have respect for the guy willing to do that”. Please, make it make sense.
- smilebot 7mo agoIt’s not you, it’s me.
- slopinthebag 7mo agoI can't help but to feel like this is an odd moral position to take. OP is apparently fine with building technology to spy on civilians in other countries, and I don't see a moral relevance to citizenship on this matter. If spying on civilians is fundamentally wrong, it doesn't become OK when the people live in a different region of the world. If spying on civilians is fundamentally OK, then why would there be a moral exception for civilians who live inside the geographical region in which the company is legally registered? Perhaps someone can enlighten me here. The autonomous killing thing is more reasonable, but still, if you're OK building death technology, I'm not exactly sure what difference having a human in the loop makes. It's still death.
- insane_dreamer 7mo agoI agree mass surveillance is fundamentally wrong, but it's reasonable for people to feel greater responsibility towards the citizens of your own country, and how they are treated by your government.
- slopinthebag 7mo agoMaybe, but I still think it's an odd moral boundary to cross. You might feel as though it's fine to spy on Chinese citizens because of the relationship the US and China have, but what about Canadians or Australians or the Brits or any other NATO country? I get it might feel different, but is that really a hard moral line in the sand you refuse to crosss? Idk.
- dummydummy1234 7mo agoSo the risks are different. If China does mass surveillance on us citizens, then what are the potential downsides? China can do targeted influence campaigns in the us, China can do targeted espionage in the us. The harms that come from this are against us national security as a whole, the harms are not to individuals and civil liberties. Even if both China and US governments are bad actors, then the fact that China is spying on Americans will not affect Americans civil liberties. On the other hand if the United States does mass surveillance on Americans, then that can be used by bad actor administrations to suppress dissent, throw people who disagree in prison, suppress speech. Essentially the government has the targeted ability to suppress civil liberties. So it is very different, because the incentives and potential downsides are different. Similar with companies. Google does not have the ability to lock you up for your Google search, the federal government does (if you are American). It's the same with Nato/allies, it's not about the country, it's about the spying governments ability and incentives to act on the information. We don't want the stasi, but imagine a world where the stasi instead had millions of files on Scottish people. What is the worst the stasi could do? What is the worst they would be realistically incentivised to do?
- replwoacause 7mo agoGood. Proud of her. We need more like her who have principles.
- glimshe 7mo agoIs "Why I left OpenAI" this decade's version of "Why I left Google"?
- make3 7mo agoIt was up last week, now no one really needs to read the post