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Here is the official source: https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/economicdata/empsit_03062026.pdf https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/economicdata/empsit_03062026.pd... Some
by Rexxar 7mo ago
Here is the official source: https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/economicdata/empsit_03062026.pdf https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/economicdata/empsit_03062026.pd...
Some of the main categories (page 8 of the pdf):
- Construction: -11.0k
- Manufacturing: -12.0k
- Transportation and warehousing: -11.3k
- Private education and health services: -34.0k
- Information -11.0k
- Leisure and hospitality -27.0k
It seems to go down in lots of different sectors.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo agoHealthcare was carrying the economy. Any commentary on why that’s failing?
- dehrmann 7mo agoThere was a strike. That particular number is probably worth ignoring.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo agoAh, this makes sense [1]. [1] https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hr/31000-kaiser-workers-end-strike-mental-health-clinicians-back-walkout-6-notes/ https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hr/31000-kaiser-worker...
- zzleeper 7mo agoSad/funny that your comment is at the bottom. Workers on strike are classified as not employed, so yeah we should ignore that category
- dehrmann 7mo agoIt's one of the challenges with data. It's technically accurate, and it's useful for trends like productivity and output, but only marginally useful as a gauge of the health of the economy. You also have to remember it for the next jobs report.
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- kypro 7mo ago> Private education and health services I'm probably missing something here, but those seem quite unrelated categories, and I'm not sure why anyone would pay for private education these days when we all have access to free AI private tutors?
- lukeschlather 7mo agoChildren have no frame of reference to understand when AI is totally making things up. 1:1 instruction is more valuable than ever to teach children to be critical and verify misinformation that AIs subtly interleave.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> when we all have access to free AI private tutors? The parents that stuck their kids in front of a TV in the 80s or handed them an iPad to shut them up in the 2010s think this is a great idea today. Namely, it’s not an AI tutor. It’s an AI babysitter. That’s fine. Parents need breaks, particularly ones who can’t afford childcare. But branding it as anything but a way to mindlessly occupy one’s child is dishonest.
- nradov 7mo agoThe notion of "A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer" remains firmly in the realm of science fiction. Maybe it will exist someday, but not today. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/172835/the-diamond-age-by-neal-stephenson/ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/172835/the-diamond-...
- recursive 7mo agoThe free chatbots I have access to make factually incorrect statements very often. Of the falsifiable statements I've seen come out of them in areas where I know enough, it seems like at least 1 in 10 is objectively wrong in some way. They'll walk it back if pressed. ("you're absolutely right") I know human teachers aren't perfect, but they seem much better than these things.
- yonaguska 7mo agoMy personal take is that it's just hit a breaking point where people have finally decided that it's not worth the money. Im not the only person I know with an uninsured wife, and only coverage for my kids. If it weren't for my kids, I wouldn't have enrolled in insurance either. The math just doesn't work out for someone relatively young and with no major health issues. And with the government cutting back spending, which you can see that hitting big insurers like UNH directly, the market is getting a little tighter.
- mschuster91 7mo ago> The math just doesn't work out for someone relatively young and with no major health issues. The thing is, bad and expensive health issues can literally come upon you over night. You can get hit by a vehicle or get beaten up with no perpetrator to be held accountable, you can develop an aneurysm, get food poisoning, get pregnant unexpectedly (with all the risk that comes with, including healthcare not being accessible because of anti-abortion BS), or you can simply fall over a step in your own house.
- h2zizzle 7mo agoSeems like something that shouldn't be left up to a consumer market.
- arethuza 7mo ago"Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune the cost of which should be shared by the community.” Aneurin Bevan
- nradov 7mo agoThat's true to an extent, but the majority of US healthcare spending goes to treating chronic conditions caused more by lifestyle choices than misfortune. There's a fundamental issue in public health policy about individual responsibility and whether to charge people more (or potentially even deny care) over factors at least partially under their control. For example, the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) allows health plans to charge tobacco users higher premiums. Is that fair? Should we also charge higher premiums to alcohol users or those with sedentary lifestyles? There are no clear right or wrong answers here.
- larkost 7mo agoI can't find a reference for this, but listening to NPR this morning there was an offhand mention that last month there were significant strikes going on, and that those are now resolved, but showed up in the employment numbers for last month. So that part could just be a blip. The rest seems on-trend.
- joshuaheard 7mo agoI read that temporary striking workers were considered a lost job and accounted for 30,000 of the jobs. Plus another 27,000 in health care from the loss of business due to the strike. And the federal government shed 10,000 jobs. That accounts for nearly half the job losses.
- timmytokyo 7mo agoIn a healthy economy there would be hiring in other industries, helping to offset those numbers.
- dragonwriter 7mo agoA little under half of US healthcare spending is public programs, the President’s signature “One Big Beautiful Bill” made massive cuts to the federal component of that which started impacting in July of last year, consequently....
- JumpCrisscross 7mo agoOBBA as the cause requires intermediate steps to show up in this jobs report versus last year. The other comment’s guess at strike effects seems more parsimonious.
- gruez 7mo agoWhy? Up till the end of last year, congressional Democrats were trying to get the ACA expansions extended, triggering a government shutdown in the process. Even after that plan fizzled out, they were promised a vote to reinstate it, so for hospitals or whatever there was still hope that there would still be funding. There's no real reason why you'd expect everyone to get fired the day that OBBA was passed.
- johnnyanmac 7mo agothe intermediate is that the cuts took effect in January.
- kingkawn 7mo agoNo, the major healthcare employers are trying to adjust their staff sizes immediately to avoid later crisis caused by this draconian hack and slash approach to federal funding.
- robocat 7mo agoHealthcare is a cost not a profit in the economy: the Healthcare sector consumes what is produced by other parts of the economy. Similarly government can't exist without businesses. And a large part of healthcare is dependent on taxation.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> Healthcare is a cost not a profit It’s both. Like transportation and construction. And whether you think it’s a profit or cost center doesn’t change that it contains paying jobs.
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- maxerickson 7mo agoWhat do you do about the modest amount I spend on blood pressure medicine making me feel better all the time, which probably makes me more productive at work? I'm getting more benefit than the cost of that healthcare (I'm asserting that this is true, I feel a lot better with the medicine) and that ends up feeding into the economy.
- robocat 7mo agoGood point. I reckon I'm trying to think about the dependency graph of necessity. I suspect you are too. A monetary economy has productive sectors and non-productive sectors. Most healthcare is non-productive from the point of view of an economy. Healthcare for workers and future workers is economically productive (from an economy's point-of-view). Maybe my conceptual cleaving is poor (black n white binary splits are usually misleading). Of course ultimately most of what an economy delivers to us individually is monetarily uneconomic (is art or entertainment necessary?). Me confused. Now I feel bad that I've wandered off into philosophy (which I usually find interesting but non-useful).
- cucumber3732842 7mo ago>Healthcare was carrying the economy. Any commentary on why that’s failing? The fact that it's such big part of the economy is a really bad thing because it's "overhead" or "broken windows" for the most part. And it's falling because people are stretched thin so they're not going to the engaging healthcare unless they truly NEED it. Even if you have "great" insurance contacting that system still costs you money if not every time then on average.
- bodiekane 7mo agoI don't think the "broken windows" metaphor is very accurate for healthcare. A lot of healthcare spending is along a gradient of elective vs necessary and some continuum of quality of life improvements. For instance, I could live with allergies, and all my ancestors just had to, but I have the option to spend money on allergy testing services, medicines, treatments, etc. People spend money on in-home professional care to get better treatment than going alone or relying on family, or spend money on care facilities as appropriate for their circumstances. We have medicines for depression, anxiety, restless leg syndrome, ADHD, birth control, acne, weight loss, low testosterone, ED, poor sleep, eczema, psoriasis and a million other issues which people in the past, or people in developing countries today, simply had to live with that we have the privilege of having access to treatments for to improve our quality of life. I know people who are affluent and outwardly "healthy" who spend thousands of dollars per year in the "healthcare" category that's entirely discretionary, but lets them keep looking young and playing tennis at 70 years old, or helps them juggle work, family and fitness at 40.
- Fricken 7mo agoHaving a 70 year old play tennis is much more expensive than letting him die off and instead have an up and coming 17 year old play tennis. 17 year olds stay healthy and young, and are able to have meaningful life experiences at no extra cost. Humans weren't designed to last forever, and it's inefficient to push against that constraint, you run into fast diminishing returns, and it leads to maladies and stratification when done at a societal scale. It doesn't matter how much we spend on health care, we're not going to live forever.
- kermatt 7mo agoI come from healthcare staffing. Contracts were heavily affected by cuts in federal programs that are critical to some rural regions, and uncertainty caused by inconsistent messaging about the future of such programs. Some areas are very dependent facilities that can only survive with public funding. For example in nursing categories, CNOs (Chief Nursing Officers) would be requesting more staff, but CFOs would block those requests due to changing budget forecasts. The unpredictability of the fed is causing chaos downstream. There is also a continuing trend to "realign" staff levels post-COVID, but that now is much easier to forecast for compared to the political chaos. In 2026 healthcare, that would not be a reason for attrition at these levels.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo agoThank you. Is there a good reason this is showing up now versus in the 2025 data?
- smallmancontrov 7mo agoThe cuts didn't happen the moment OBBB was passed on July 4 (ew). Here's a timeline: https://www.kff.org/medicaid/implementation-dates-for-2025-budget-reconciliation-law/ https://www.kff.org/medicaid/implementation-dates-for-2025-b... It looks like some of the big ones landed Jan 1 2026.
- kermatt 7mo agoI can't speak to the time frames for the article, but I know that the current administration and its policies had a significant negative impact on our business across CY2025. I ran the team that maintained our business analytic data, and was also on weekly calls where feedback from our clients about the situation was discussed. There was direct correlation between uncertainty and both a decline in new job postings, as well as a lack of renewing existing job contracts. When comparing our numbers to those of our publicly traded competitors, all the data showed the same trends.
- lotsofpulp 7mo agoI don't see why we should believe any of the data in the first place. At best, I assume good people have been let go and proper procedures are falling by the wayside. At worst, it is being manipulated (even perhaps incompetently).
- burnt-resistor 7mo agoMedicare rolled out prior authorization gatekeeping to kill more patients in 6 states: Arizona, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas, and Washington to use the Orwellian-sounding "Wasteful and Inappropriate Service Reduction" (WISeR) that is administered by unaccountable private corporations using AI to deny and delay care. Medicare is a corporate joke that people confuse for single-payer healthcare which it ain't, and so Medicare for all (M4A) would be awful. (Medicare "Advantage" is even worse.)
- throw310822 7mo agoPretty useless without knowing at least what % of the total they are per category and what type of jobs they are.
- dragonwriter 7mo agoThe distinction between + and - is useful even without either of those.
- throw310822 7mo agoNot really. Is it -2% or -0.01%?
- Rexxar 7mo agoI saw a lot of comments trying to guess where the job were lost in other comments and I think this give a little more context. I put the original source, there are 42 pages of data, if you want more details.
- throw310822 7mo agoSorry, ofc, thanks for posting this.
- jimt1234 7mo agoI wonder why "Private education and health services" is down so much. My guess is because federal cuts to health services impacted jobs???
- HaloZero 7mo agoTrump has made coming into the US less attractive which is a source of a huge amount of money for colleges and other schools in the US. Foreign tuition is $$$. Plus cuts to the department of education, non profit spending in general. That’s just a guess though.
- groundzeros2015 7mo agoIt’s almost like there are additional causes to consider outside of the latest Trump story.
- mizzao 7mo agoDoes construction include undocumented workers?
- throwawaypath 7mo agoNot sure why you're being down voted, it's a legitimate question. In some places, illegal immigrants constitute a majority of the construction labor.
- groundzeros2015 7mo agoWow but it’s hard to map this data from different sectors on to whatever political news story is top of mind.