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Kimi Claw
- DalasNoin 8mo agoFrom what I understand this is a fully open-source bot that anyone can run with no restrictions. what a time to be alive, let's see what these bots will break first
- embedding-shape 8mo ago> From what I understand this is a fully open-source bot that anyone can run with no restrictions How is that different OpenClaw/what-its-called-today? Isn't that also open-source and anyone can run without restrictions?
- amelius 8mo agoOpenClown is what we call it nowadays.
- slekker 8mo agoCareful, you might get a blog post saying you're gatekeeping!
- oompydoompy74 8mo agoIt obviously has issues, but it’s a novel idea that people are experimenting and having fun with. No need to be disparaging. Something doesn’t have to be immediately “useful” or “viable for commercial use” to be neat.
- nickthegreek 8mo agoYa but there is a wide gulf between maybe “useful” and “steal your data/mess up your life”. Calling it ‘OpenClown’ hurts zero people and effectively raises people’s guardrails. Many people consider LSD ‘neat’, that doesn’t mean that others are wrong to point out dangers.
- butterlettuce 8mo agoDon't do LSD like that. It brought us the iPhone.
- lambda 8mo agoIt looks to me like this is a hosted version of OpenClaw, so you don't need to figure out how to set it up yourself.
- Someone1234 8mo agoI don't follow that. OpenClaw sits on top of a physical machine/VM you control, you give it (hopefully) limited/sandbox access to that machine's resources to act like-you, and it does useful things. OpenClaw's user interface is just a gateway, and is only as useful as whatever the machine/VM has under the hood. So the "setting it up yourself [on a VM/machine you control]" is kind of core to the whole idea being useful, you take that away, and it is just another Chat-Bot? Making it more of an ChatGPT/et al competitor rather than OpenClaw.
- arcologies1985 8mo agoInstalling it on your PC or laptop puts your personal data and ISP subscription at risk, while installing it in a hosted VM yourself requires a bunch of Linux security and networking knowledge or else you'll get pwned pretty much immediately (https://youtu.be/40SnEd1RWUU https://youtu.be/40SnEd1RWUU). So this service is giving you a VM already set up with a security baseline.
- Someone1234 8mo agoIs that what this does? All the link takes us to is an empty website about "Kimi Claw." The entire crutch of the "Claw" concept is being able to directly reconfigure the VM/Machine to be "your" environment (to a point). A blank VM with nothing configured on it, is as useful as a cardboard bathtub. Ultimately this link is a terrible intro to whatever this is.
- Melonai 8mo agoHm, that YouTube video made me think a bit, sure if you put it all like that, it does feel like a lot of stuff to get right, but whenever I do it, it takes about 30 minutes to lock down the firewall, do some port-scans to verify, punch a VPN through and hide SSH behind it. That way you're already protected from 99.9% of attacks, and then hope that that last tenth of a percent won't stumble upon you, and also that the VPN is secure enough, though I guess if that is breached it's not only you who's fucked. Also you need to look out that Docker doesn't destroy your firewall. I don't know, it doesn't feel like that much work, right? Maybe I'm just blind to it.
- Kim_Bruning 8mo agoFunny you should ask. One openclaw is now famous for escalating their PR to a somewhat nasty blog post. (and then apologizing) * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46987559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46987559 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46990729 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46990729 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47009949 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47009949
- enraged_camel 8mo agoTwitter announcement has more info: https://x.com/Kimi_Moonshot/status/2023029674549596301 https://x.com/Kimi_Moonshot/status/2023029674549596301
- slekker 8mo ago[flagged]
- igravious 8mo agoSo? Yes Moonshot AI is a Chinese corp. So? Under every OpenAI or Anthropic article do you put "Disclaimer for those who care about this stuff: the servers are in the USA." If not, why not? And to what stuff do you refer?
- versale 8mo ago> Yes Moonshot AI is a Chinese corp. So? Obviously it means the product contains less democracy than required for many.
- aspect0545 8mo agoI wouldn’t want either US or Chinese corporations to have access to my sensitive data. But if I had to choose, which I luckily don’t, I’d choose the US. That stuff I guess.
- nylon4831 8mo ago> those who care about this stuff and OpenClaw users are mutually exclusive
- embedding-shape 8mo agoMore generally useful answer: Anything you input into the internet lives (probably) on not-your-servers, treat the information you give away accordingly.
- thih9 8mo agoWhat is the pricing of Kimi.com? Edit, self answer: https://www.kimi.com/membership/pricing https://www.kimi.com/membership/pricing
- Kim_Bruning 8mo agoSuper tempting. Before you get one, do realize that Openclaws are a responsibility!
- 8cvor6j844qw_d6 8mo agoThe pricing looks great. Significantly much better than ~ USD 50 per day on Anthropic API. Any idea how good this model compares to Opus 4.6? I tried Grok 4.1 Fast but the results are mild to put it kindly.
- knollimar 8mo agocompletely anecdote: vision seems > gemini 2.5 but less than 3.0 I haven't used it much for programming, but it feels like a model 6 months out of date for general use
- thatcat 8mo agoI've been using kimi, though not kimiclaw, for research and it is good - comparable to phind, better than GLM 4.7 . Opus 4.6 wasn't as good for my particular domain of interest. I think the long term pricing asymptote for US vs china is essentially dependent on energy pricing and so china will continue to undercut US AI pricing.
- quinncom 8mo agoDid you scroll through the pricing options? The largest Kimi plan is $199/month. “Much better” depends on how much usage is included vs. Anthropic plans/API costs.
- mekpro 8mo agoOpus is definitely in its own league. I use Kimi/Gemini-cli code regularly to save cost and from my experience, Kimi 2.5 is more solid than Gemini Flash 3.0 for coding. While Gemini Flash 3.0 is generally faster, it usually break the syntax and skip important prompt. Kimi 2.5 can write very good code and can plan very well.
- tinyhouse 8mo agoThis is great. AI is too revolutionary to be in control of three closed models / companies. The more the merrier. (I know this is not a new model but it's not just about the model, it's about the entire ecosystem)
- maximalthinker 8mo ago[flagged]
- xipho 8mo agoAnyone chime in on how they typically engage something like this? No way am I dropping my primary contact info into something so outwardly cryptic. Phone number? Hah! Do you scaffold a new identity/email (semi-automagically)?
- kilroy123 8mo agoI use AI a LOT. OpenAI said I'm in the 1% of people using ChatGPT (bad thing imo). I use Claude and Codex all day long, building and shipping. But just do not get the Clawbot / OpenClaw hype at all. What are people doing with this thing? I tried it out, and I found it a bit underwhelming. What am I missing?
- plagiarist 8mo agoAll the use cases I have seen were seemed to be non-technical users excited to have it generate daily reports on competitors' websites.
- 8cvor6j844qw_d6 8mo agoOpus 4.6 seems to do fine for a "get an intern to write something to manager" style reports. I would say there's no need for OpenClaw in my opinion.
- SV_BubbleTime 8mo agoI’ve found a few times that it was easier to not start with a blank page. Have Claude write a thing, see instantly how wrong it was, but use the idea clay to get started. That’s a legit AI use. Treating it as an intern has not let me down yet. Treating it as a co-worker has.
- someguyiguess 8mo agoI feel the same way. I fail to see what is useful about it or what problem it solves.
- 8cvor6j844qw_d6 8mo agoIt gets people to waste money on API costs.
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- jmacd 8mo agoI went through the setup process for Openclaw. Near the end I felt like I had wrestled more with setting it up than I would have had to if I had just built it from the ground up. So I pointed Pi at Nanoclaw and asked it to review it and build me a minimal clone. It took a few minutes and I had the core of something that is easier to maintain (for me) than some unknown large and cumbersome system, or whatever Openclaw is. To each their own.
- Havoc 8mo agoYeah it does seem a little fragile. Still battling with working out why it pegs CPU at 100% permanently on a VPS I tried using. Literally just from installing the base
- BloondAndDoom 8mo agoFunny enough ooenclaw is based on Pi. I’m kind of curious what you do with it. I feel like the real value is integrating it with everything but then even if it’s nanoclaw or simpler majority of the worthy things are on the unsafe side. Would love to hear your experience as I’m planning to do the exactly same.
- jmacd 8mo agoThe most interesting thing for me is that I built an extension for Pi that has it recognize when it does not know how to do something I am asking and it then attempts to make its own extension and/or skill to enable whatever that functionality is. Best example there is I just told it to make a todo list for me, and so it made a skill that uses a local file to track todos and follow up on them. I instructed it to make an LLM call to find the best suggested follow up timing to remind me. So... the real value so far is I find it fun? It isn't the "life changing need to go make a tweet!!" level for me.
- siva7 8mo agoPi is great so it's sad to see that it only gained momentum because some trash tool like openclaw uses it.
- brysonreece 8mo agoI really don’t understand the widespread adoption of OpenClaw when a simple prompt injection in an email, chat message, or calendar event has the potential to leak the credentials/keys for every attached service.
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- pigpop 8mo agoThere are going to be some incredible blow ups due to this. From the sound of it people think they're safe by running it with local models and keeping it on their own network but seem to have zero concept of a malicious text prompt finding its way in and turning it into a double agent who figures out how to exfiltrate data.
- fintechie 8mo agoThis... OpenClaw is the best thing to happen to security and forensic firms since Windows XP. The amount of hacks, data/credential leaks, etc to come out of this will be of unfathomable proportions.
- 8cvor6j844qw_d6 8mo agoI've found out some people are directly pasting API keys in chat to have OpenClaw set up some stuff.
- dvfjsdhgfv 8mo agoParadoxically this is good in long term. A series of massive fuckups reported by mainstream media has more educational value than disclaimers or warnings by competent people.
- Havoc 8mo agoYeah still surprised how keen people are to connect it to their email etc.
- nojito 8mo agoBuilding on OpenClaw is a mistake. The real advantage is https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono
- quinncom 8mo agoOpenClaw is actually built on top of pi-mono (for its agent runtime, models, and tools): https://docs.openclaw.ai/concepts/agent#pi-mono-integration https://docs.openclaw.ai/concepts/agent#pi-mono-integration https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/blob/main/docs/pi.md https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/blob/main/docs/pi.md
- sergiotapia 8mo agoHas anyone used Kimi Claw? Is it good? Comparing to Manus for example?
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- r0b05 8mo agoI want to set this up but I'm concerned about the privacy and security risks. On the one hand, person data is flowing through cloud models. Then there's the risks of prompt injection and such. I thought about running it locally but it gets expensive. Those that have taken the plunge, how did you make peace with these trade offs?
- dvfjsdhgfv 8mo agoAFAICT there are two camps: (1) a sandboxed setup with minimal low-risk integrations only, (2) yolo and let's hope nothing bad happens.
- killerstorm 8mo agoHmm, you need $40/month plan just to try it out. Not sure who's the target audience
- 0sdi 8mo agoTempted to try, but the pricing is bit vague. The kimi bot itself was concerned if the minimum plan covers usage for more than a day, when asked.
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- lisamortler 8mo agoPlease show me how to use your app
- lisamortler 8mo agoEase show me how to use the app
- noumanbinsabir 8mo agois there any way to make it safe? I mean since so many people are trying to make sense of it so I think in future they will come up with a solution really soon..
- Alifatisk 8mo agoIt's impressive how many services the Moonshot team is pushing out. The agent swarm was already impressive enough. Kimi has become a whole ecosystem of tools.