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Google is absolutely running away with it. The greatest trick they ever pulled was letting people think they were behind.
by xnx 9mo ago
Google is absolutely running away with it. The greatest trick they ever pulled was letting people think they were behind.
- dfdsf2 9mo agoTrick? Lol not a chance. Alphabet is a pure play tech firm that has to produce products to make the tech accessible. They really lack in the latter and this is visible when you see the interactions of their VP's. Luckily for them, if you start to create enough of a lead with the tech, you get many chances to sort out the product stuff.
- amunozo 9mo agoThose black nazis in the first image model were a cause of inside trading.
- Razengan 9mo agoGemini's UX (and of course privacy cred as with anything Google) is the worst of all the AI apps. In the eyes of the Common Man, it's UI that will win out, and ChatGPT's is still the best.
- jonathanstrange 9mo agoYou mean AI Studio or something like that, right? Because I can't see a problem with Google's standard chat interface. All other AI offerings are confusing both regarding their intended use and their UX, though, I have to concur with that.
- ergonaught 9mo agoThe lack of "projects" alone makes their chat interface really unpleasant compared to ChatGPT and Claude.
- xnx 9mo agoAI Studio is also significantly improved as of yesterday.
- wiseowise 9mo agoNo projects, completely forgets context mid dialog, mediocre responses even on thinking, research got kneecapped somehow and is completely uses now, uses propaganda Russian videos as the search material (what’s wrong with you, Google?), janky on mobile, consumes GIGABYTES of RAM on web (seriously, what the fuck?). Left a couple of tabs over night, Mac is almost complete frozen because 10 tabs consumed 8 GBs of RAM doing nothing. It’s a complete joke.
- jonathanstrange 9mo agoFair enough. I'm always astonished how different experiences are because mine is the complete opposite. I almost solely use it for help with Go and Javascript programming and found Gemini Pro to be more useful than any other model. ChatGPT was the worst offender so far, completely useless, but Claude has also been suboptimal for my use cases. I guess it depends a lot on what you use LLMs for and how they are prompted. For example, Gemini fails the simple "count from 1 to 200 in words" test whereas Claude does it without further questions. Another possible explanation would be that processing time is distributed unevenly across the globe and companies stay silent about this. Maybe depending on time zones?
- alexpotato 9mo ago> Gemini's UX ... is the worst of all the AI apps Been using Gemini + OpenCode for the past couple weeks. Suddenly, I get a "you need a Gemini Access Code license" error but when you go to the project page there is no mention of this or how to get the license. You really feel the "We're the phone company and we don't care. Why? Because we don't have to." [0] when you use these Google products. PS for those that don't get the reference: US phone companies in the 1970s had a monopoly on local and long distance phone service. Similar to Google for search/ads (really a "near" monopoly but close enough). 0 - https://vimeo.com/355556831 https://vimeo.com/355556831
- xnx 9mo agoGoogle privacy cred is ... excellent? The worst data breach I know of them having was a flaw that allowed access to names and emails of 500k users.
- Razengan 9mo agoThey don't even let you have multiple chats if you disable their "App Activity" or whatever (wtf is with that ass naming? they don't even have a "Privacy" section in their settings the last time I checked) and when I swap back into the Gemini app on my iPhone after a minute or so the chat disappears. and other weird passive-aggressive take-my-toys-away behavior if you don't bare your body and soul to Googlezebub. ChatGPT and Grok work so much better without accounts or with high privacy settings.
- bitpush 9mo agoLink? Are you conflating with "500k Gmail accounts leaked [by a third party]" with Gmail having a breach? Afaik, Google has had no breaches ever.
- laurex 9mo agoIf you consider "privacy" to be 'a giant corporation tracks every bit of possible information about you and everyone else'?
- xnx 9mo agoOpenAI is running ads. Do you think they'll track less?
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- uxhoiuewfhhiu 9mo agoGemini is completely unusable in VS Code. It's rated 2/5 stars, pathetic: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=Google.geminicodeassist https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=Google.g... Requests regularly time out, the whole window freezes, it gets stuck in schizophrenic loops, edits cannot be reverted and more. It doesn't even come close to Claude or ChatGPT.
- Razengan 9mo agoSmart idea to say anything against Google here from a throwaway account, I'm sitting in negative karma for that :')
- surajrmal 9mo agoAnti Google comments do pretty well on average. It's a popular sentiment. However, low effort comments don't.
- xnx 9mo agoOnce Google launched Antigravity, I stopped using VS Code.
- ainch 9mo agoI find Gemini's web page much snappier to use than ChatGPT - I've largely swapped to it for most things except more agentic tasks.
- kenjackson 9mo agoBut wait two hours for what OpenAI has! I love the competition and how someone just a few days ago was telling how ARC-AGI-2 was proof that LLMs can't reason. The goalposts will shift again. I feel like most of human endeavor will soon be just about trying to continuously show that AI's don't have AGI.
- 7777332215 9mo agoSoon they can drop the bioweapon to welcome our replacement.
- nutjob2 9mo ago"AGI" doesn't mean anything concrete, so it's all a bunch of non-sequiturs. Your goalposts don't exist. Anyone with any sense is interested in how well these tools work and how they can be harnessed, not some imaginary milestone that is not defined and cannot be measured.
- kenjackson 9mo agoI agree. I think the emergence of LLMs have shown that AGI really has no teeth. I think for decades the Turing test was viewed as the gold standard, but it's clear that there doesn't appear to be any good metric.
- sincerely 9mo agoThe turing test was passed in the 80s, somehow it has remained relevant in pop culture despite the fact that it's not a particularly difficult technical achievement
- kenjackson 9mo agoIt wasn’t passed in the 80s. Not the general Turing test.
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- Ozzie_osman 9mo agoPeacetime Google is not like wartime Google. Peacetime Google is slow, bumbling, bureaucratic. Wartime Google gets shit done.
- nutjob2 9mo agoOpenAI is the best thing that happened to Google apparently.
- RationPhantoms 9mo agoCompetition always is. I think there was a real fear that their core product was going to be replaced. They're already cannibalizing it internally so it was THE wake up call.
- taurath 9mo agoJust not search. The search product has pretty much become useless over the past 3 years and the AI answers often will get just to the level of 5 years ago. This creates a sense that that things are better - but really it’s just become impossible to get reliable information from an avenue that used to work very well. I don’t think this is intentional, but I think they stopped fighting SEO entirely to focus on AI. Recipes are the best example - completely gutted and almost all receive sites (therefore the entire search page) run by the same company. I didn’t realize how utterly consolidated huge portions of information on the internet was until every recipe site about 3 months ago simultaneously implemented the same anti-Adblock.
- miohtama 9mo agoThe search product become useless on a particular day of 2019 as discussed on HN News some time ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40133976 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40133976
- koolala 9mo agoNext they compete on ads...
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- naasking 9mo agoGoogle is still behind the largest models I'd say, in real world utility. Gemini 3 Pro still has many issues.
- wiseowise 9mo agoTheir models might be impressive, but their products absolutely suck donkey balls. I’ve given Gemini web/cli two months and ran away back to ChatGPT. Seriously, it would just COMPLETELY forget context mid dialog. When asked about improving air quality it just gave me a list of (mediocre) air purifiers without asking for any context whatsoever, and I can list thousands of conversations like that. Shopping or comparing options is just nonexistent. It uses Russian propaganda sources for answers and switches to Chinese mid sentence (!), while explaining some generic Python functionality. It’s an embarrassment and I don’t know how they justify 20 euro price tag on it.
- HardCodedBias 9mo agoTheir models are absolutely not impressive. Not a single person is using it for coding (outside of Google itself). Maybe some people on a very generous free plan. Their model is a fine mid 2025 model, backed by enormous compute resources and an army of GDM engineers to help the “researchers” keep the model on task as it traverses the “tree of thoughts”. But that isn’t “the model” that’s an old model backed by massive money.
- chermi 9mo agoUhh, just false.
- HardCodedBias 9mo agoIt's just poop tier. Come on. Worthless. Do you have any market counter points. Market counter points that aren't really just a repackaging of: 1. "Google has the world's best distribution" and/or 2. "Google has a firehose of money that allows them to sell their 'AI product' at an enormous discount? Good luck!
- mavamaarten 9mo agoI agree. On top of that, in true Google style, basic things just don't work. Any time I upload an attachment, it just fails with something vague like "couldn't process file". Whether that's a simple .MD or .txt with less than 100 lines or a PDF. I tried making a gem today. It just wouldn't let me save it, with some vague error too. I also tried having it read and write stuff to "my stuff" and Google drive. But it would consistently write but not be able to read from it again. Or would read one file from Google drive and ignore everything else. Their models are seriously impressive. But as usual Google sucks at making them work well in real products.
- impulser_ 9mo agoDon't let the benchmarks fool you. Gemini models are completely useless not matter how smart they are. Google still hasn't figure out tool calling and making the model follow instructions. They seem to only care about benchmarking and being the most intelligent model on paper. This has been a problem of Gemini since 1.0 and they still haven't fixed it. Also the worst model in terms of hallucinations.
- estearum 9mo agoDisagree. Claude Code is great for coding, Gemini is better than everything else for everything else.
- impulser_ 9mo agoAre you using Gemini model itself or using the Gemini App? They are different.
- estearum 9mo agoBoth
- johnfn 9mo agoWhat is "everything else" in your view? Just curious -- I really only seriously use models for coding, so I am curious what I am missing.
- viking123 9mo agoRole-playing but Claude is as bad, same censored garbage with the CEO wanting to be your dad. Grok is best for everything else by far.
- amelius 9mo agoAnd mathematics?
- oofbey 9mo agoThey were behind. Way behind. But they caught up.
- dboreham 9mo agoI'm leery to use a Google product in light of their history of discontinuing services. It'd have to be significantly better than a similar product from a committed competitor.
- RachelF 9mo agoNot in my experience with Gemini Pro and coding. It hallucinates APIs that aren't there. Claude does not do that. Gemini has flashes of brilliance, but I regard it as unpolished some things work amazingly, some basics don't work.
- energy123 9mo agoIt's very hard to tell the difference between bad models and stinginess with compute. I subscribe to both Gemini ($20/mo) and ChatGPT Pro ($200/mo). If I give the same question to "Gemini 3.0 Pro" and "ChatGPT 5.2 Thinking + Heavy thinking", the latter is 4x slower and it gives smarter answers. I shouldn't have to enumerate all the different plausible explanations for this observation. Anything from Gemini deciding to nerf the reasoning effort to save compute, versus TPUs being faster, to Gemini being worse, to this being my idiosyncratic experience, all fit the same data, and are all plausible.
- timpera 9mo agoYou nailed it. Gemini 3 Pro seems very "lazy" and seems to never reason for more than 30 seconds, which significantly impacts the quality of its outputs.
- spaceman_2020 9mo agoThey seem to be optimizing for benchmarks instead of real world use
- moffkalast 9mo agoYeah if only Gemini performed half as well as it does on benches, we'd actually be using it.
- segmondy 9mo agoIt was obvious to me that they were top contender 2 years ago ... https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1c0je6h/google_is_going_to_win_the_ai_race/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1c0je6h/google_...
- kriro 9mo agoI'd personally bet on Google and Meta in the long run since they have access to the most interesting datasets from their other operations.
- xnx 9mo agoAgree. Anyone with access to large proprietary data has an edge in their space (not necessarily for foundation models): Salesforce, adobe, AutoCAD, caterpillar
- virgildotcodes 9mo agoThese benchmarks are super impressive. That said, Gemini 3 Pro benchmarked well on coding tasks, and yet I found it abysmal. A distant third behind Codex and Claude. Tool calling failures, hallucinations, bad code output. It felt like using a coding model from a year ago. Even just as a general use model, somehow ChatGPT has a smoother integration with web search (than google!!), knowing when to use it, and not needing me to prompt it directly multiple times to search. Not sure what happened there. They have all the ingredients in theory but they've really fallen behind on actual usability. Their image models are kicking ass though.
- hawk_ 9mo agoWhat is their Claude code equivalent?
- krzyk 9mo agogemini cli - https://geminicli.com/ https://geminicli.com/
- manmal 9mo agoHave you used Gemini CLI, and then codex? Gemini is so trigger happy, the moment you don’t tell it „don’t make any changes“ it runs off and starts doing all kind of unrelated refactorings. This is the opposite of what I want. I want considerate, surgical implementations. I need to have a discussion of the scope, and sequence diagrams first. It should read a lot of files instead of hallucinating about my architecture. Their chat feels similar. It just runs off like a wild dog.