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The Goalpost shift continues, If elon were working for me, I would have fired him for having never delivered on any of his projects. Hyperloop > Neuralink > Se

• tuhgdetzhh 8mo ago
  Yeah, but there are enough people to buy the hype.
• qaq 8mo ago
  hmm Tesla shipped millions of cars SpaceX launches 90% of space payloads, Starlink is working well. Thats hard to categorize as never delivered on any of his projects
  • iandanforth 8mo ago
    The crucial thing is that Tesla's valuation has the hype projects baked in. The fact that it never delivered self driving or a robotaxi fleet and is now being saved solely by an import ban on Chinese EVs means that any success he had with Tesla is now an illusion.
    • qaq 8mo ago
      Yep but again that does not qualify as never delivered on anything.
    • tuckwat 8mo ago
      I don't follow his promises but have seen first hand how far ahead Tesla FSD is compared to competitors in the consumer space. It's not even close. This current announcement seems silly, though.
      • nebula8804 8mo ago
        Have you tested Supercruise? There is another way to view this. FSD plays fast and loose because they are constantly iterating. The culture at Musk co is that if you dont' keep pushing updates you are in trouble so do we really want to trust that each of his numerous updates are truly tested? This guy is a pathological liar after all. How many lawsuits are they dealing with now? Supercruise only runs on pre mapped routes. If my life is on the line, I'd rather take the pre mapped routes and supercruise design is better at preventing people playing games to defeat the system (ex.shoving an orange in the steering wheel) so I know that others using the system on the road are following the system guidelines. Supercruise may not do everything FSD does but it cuts out a large portion of the "fatigue" portion of driving and as a result can be highly trusted value add.
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    • dmix 8mo ago
      > The fact that it never delivered self driving or a robotaxi fleet a Once again pointing out Tesla has around 300 robotaxis running in 2 cities (Austin/SF).
      • aaaalone 8mo ago
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      • queenkjuul 8mo ago
        Roughly 60 individual cars have been identified in Austin and all have a human driver on board. I don't really buy that there's 250 in SF
        • dmix 8mo ago
          They rolled out full driverless in Austin in November 2025 and there's a website that reverse engineered the mobile app API to track the active cars. It found 90 active in Austin with more declared total by Tesla and 150 active in SF (SF ones have a safety driver for now). Likewise they found around 300 active in SF for Waymo with around 1000 cars declared total by Waymo itself.
  • JumpinJack_Cash 8mo ago
    The projects promised to be life altering for all mankind, they ended up being not even life altering for super rich Americans considering that Teslas are just EVs which without FSD are just regular cars with a different propellent that were made for political purposes and virtue signaling The EV revolution has always been something almost dystopic : Trillions of dollars spent in order to not have the slightest amount of quality of life improvement, if anything a worse quality of life because you buy an EV that you cannot use 24/7/365 whereas you can an ICE car for much less . As soon as something kinda elegant and hopeful as far as collective quality of life improvement is concerned (AI/ChatGPT) came around.....the whole green/EV revolution rightfully went out the window If Musk was this genius you guys make him to be at 50 and with all the capital he burned he should have at least one company that if you disappeared the world would look drastically different, like if you disappeared Microsoft or Apple or Exxon or Aramco or Amazon or IBM....the world would come to a screeching halt. Disappear one of Musk companies and everything would be the same as he's always involved in these sort of aspirational companies which have this great vision always 5 years into the future that never materialize into anything tangible or that improves the quality of life like the company I mentioned earlier
    • qaq 8mo ago
      well Tesla did jump start the EV revolution not life altering but is pretty important. IF SpaceX gets spaceship right that will be a huge leap forward.
      • bigwheels 8mo ago
        Sir, your comment appears to qualify as "moving the goal post". TSLA never delivered a single inexpensive electric vehicle, and just last week abandoned all high-end efforts (S/X/CT discontinued). All TSLA manufactures now are overpriced "meh" transport boxes. Yes, TSLA was early, and now they are far, far behind the competition. Can we evaluate based on the stated goals, or why does the criteria keep shifting?
        • qaq 8mo ago
          Tesla's goal was to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy by building a comprehensive ecosystem of electric vehicles (EVs), solar generation, and battery storage. Looks to me they delivered on 2 of the 3
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  • almosthere 8mo ago
    The Starlink achievement alone is one of the most insane projects ever attempted and works really well.
  • AlexC04 8mo ago
    According to google Tesla has shipped 8 million cars total since inception. It is valued at 1.32 Trillion as of today. Which is roughly $165,000 per shipped vehicle.
    • qaq 8mo ago
      I am not arguing Elon is a nice dude or Tesla's valuation is justified. I am saying claim has not delivered on anything is false.
• TehCorwiz 8mo ago
  Hey now. Huperliop was designed to scuttle California’s light rail project. Which it did. Mission accomplished.
  • adastra22 8mo ago
    What are you talking about?
  • jdminhbg 8mo ago
    This is the funniest conspiracy theory.
    • jrflowers 8mo ago
      It’s not really so much a conspiracy theory as a thing that he outright said. https://www.jalopnik.com/did-musk-propose-hyperloop-to-stop-california-high-spee-1849402460/ https://www.jalopnik.com/did-musk-propose-hyperloop-to-stop-...
      • ralfd 8mo ago
        That link denies the conspiracy theory? > “Or did he just have an idea and blurt it out," I asked Vance. > "I'm 99.9-percent sure it's the latter," Vance tells me. Also that to scapegoat Musk for killing the California train when California was perfectly able to kill it itself: > Vance then brought up a valid point: "In all this time we've been talking about high-speed rail, there's still almost none that's built....
        • jrflowers 8mo ago
          There is no conspiracy theory, that aside the link does not indicate that there is one? “Vaguely accurate” does not mean “untrue”, and Vance is clear that he is talking about his personal interpretation of what Elon Musk is documented to have said, which he does not refute. I like the idea that “he didn’t say that” and “he did say that but a different guy feels like he probably meant something else” are so obviously equivalent that skepticism of that notion constitutes a ‘conspiracy theory’. That aside I like that the guy whose opinion should be treated as indisputable fact said that he thinks that there hasn’t been any high speed rail built globally in the past decade, which is not even remotely true. Obviously if he meant to say in the US he would have said so, since his next sentence was praise of Musk’s world-wide achievements. I suppose it’s possible that Vance either doesn’t know anything about high speed rail or was in such a rush to extoll the virtues of the CEO of Tesla that he just sort of blurted something out to make Musk look good?
• reisse 8mo ago
  > If elon were working for me, I would have fired him for having never delivered on any of his projects. Never? For the sheer amount of moonshot bets he's doing, his track record would make any VC jealous. Zip2, PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX, Grok/xAI.
  • kayamon 8mo ago
    World's Best At Surfing A Temporary Hyperinflation Wave is not a life goal to really be proud of tbh.
    • octoberfranklin 8mo ago
      Plenty of politicians are very proud of doing that.
  • tw04 8mo ago
    >Zip2 I guess props to scamming Compaq into making a large investment that didn't pan out. He did personally make money so I guess win for him. >In an effort to woo investors, Elon Musk built a large casing around a standard computer to give the impression that Zip2 was powered by a supercomputer. >PayPal Huh? He didn't found Paypal, his company was acquired by Paypal. You might as well give him credit for eBay while you're at it. Paypal released their first digital wallet in 1999. They acquired x.com (and Musk) in 2000. Paypal itself was then acquired by eBay in 2002. >Tesla Investor, not founder. >SpaceX Yup, props here. >Grok/xAI Hasn't made a penny, no signs it had any path to profitability, which is why it was shoved into Space-X to cover his personal losses.
    • frankdenbow 8mo ago
      Taking Tesla from where it was (an overpriced prototype) to what it is now did take some skill. He wasn't some passive investor who put money in and didn't do anything. The rest for sure he was gotten credit that isn't earned.
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• claaams 8mo ago
  In a way, its kind of cool to see how robber barons work in real time in our generation. Its also insanely depressing as they will systematically enshittify and extract as much wealth from society as is possible.
  • mrguyorama 8mo ago
    I don't actually think the Robber Barons in the 1920s had people going out of their way to defend them and insist they had special knowledge. The New Deal happened with massive popular support because people did not like the Barons, and wanted to stop them and actually have a life worth living. It only took like 30 years of suffering.
    • ee64a4a 8mo ago
      The Robber Barons weren't in the 1920s; that refers to industrial age monopolists (e.g. rail/oil), and culminated in the Sherman Antitrust (i.e. 1800s). Broadly, your point is still valid, though. Just a mild inaccuracy between the Gilded Age and the roaring 20s.
• GMoromisato 8mo ago
  I'm amazed at this kind of thinking. I get it, obviously, and it's not uncommon, but still. Elon Musk has already revolutionized three industries: 1. EVs: Before Tesla, no one thought electric cars could be a mass-market product. And even today, the Model 3 and Model Y are at the top of almost all sales lists. 2. Orbital Launch: No one expected Space X to succeed. What does a software guy know about real engineering? But today, re-usable rockets are the way of the future, and Space X is at least 5 to 10 years ahead of any other company. 3. Satellite Communications: Every single major military power is trying to deploy their own version of Starlink. Before Starlink, 50 satellites was considered a big constellation. Starlink has 8,000 satellites and they are literally launching hundreds every month. I know it's impossible to prove a counter-factual, but I'm convinced that none of these three would have happened without Elon. No other Western car company has (even now) produced a profitable EV. No other space company has prices as low as Space X. No one even has the capability to build a Starlink competitor (not yet at least). Without Elon pushing these projects, they simply would not have happened or would have happened decades later (after China or someone else beat us to it). Even his not-yet-successful projects are far beyond most other companies: Boring Company has actually built tunnels and passengers are actually riding it. No one else is even trying. Neuralink has actually helped patients. Tesla FSD actually does work (I use it all the time), and even if Waymo is ahead, Tesla is easily in second place. I 100% get the hatred for Elon Musk. His political positions are absolutely worth criticizing and I cringe most of the time he tweets. But to deny his business and engineering ability is just motivated reasoning. Such illusions are ultimately self-defeating. The more opposed one is to Elon Musk (in business or politics) the more important it is to see his capabilities clearly.
  • rmccue 8mo ago
    > Boring Company has actually built tunnels and passengers are actually riding it. No one else is even trying. Boring Company bought an existing tunnel boring machine (TBM), and used it to dig a car tunnel. Their only “innovation” in terms of any cost savings is to dig smaller tunnels - which we already knew could be done (tunnel cost grows with diameter), and which we don’t do for good reasons (capacity, emergency egress). The branding and marketing exercise was excellent though.
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• henry2023 8mo ago
  The guy also was super excited to go rap3 some k1ds in the island. Gladly he also failed at this.
• bpodgursky 8mo ago
  Lol this is why you aren't a VC. Even if every single Musk venture failed other than SpaceX, the investments would have paid off wildly well. You aim for the tails not the median.
• dubeye 8mo ago
  he seems to return to his investors quiet effectively, which is ultimately what a CEO has to do to attract more capital to build stuff. And I have a Tesla and starlink and I'm quite happy with the level of autonomy the car has, so he has delivered on some level
• jatora 8mo ago
  Shift your goalposts over to Google if your only argument is pointing out projects that dead end and ignoring the ones that don't. So embarrassing.
  • yibg 8mo ago
    Google has a PE ratio of 34. Kinda expensive but reasonable in today's climate. Tesla has a PE ratio of almost 400. It's a meme stock at this point.