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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

• fzeroracer 9mo ago
  Video of the incident in question [1]. This thread will likely be flag-killed instantly. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlpzu8/another_ice_murder_in_front_of_glam_doll_donuts/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlpzu8/anothe... edit: Additional video [2] of the victim prior to the shooting. They were a lawful observer confronted by ICE due to observing and recording them. [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlt6s2/video_showing_moments_prior_to_iceinvolved/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlt6s2/video_showing_...
  • Tadpole9181 9mo ago
    > this video will likely be glad just instantly Again. Anyway, the video shows that we've unequivocally entered open-air brownshirt executions. This person was pinned to the ground by three people while another was just wailing against their head from above. Hard to tell what object they're using as a cudgel to their face. Then the subsequent mag dumping just to be extra sure they're dead. We really need that lady in the back to release her video.
    • fzeroracer 9mo ago
      It's absolutely inexcusable, even moreso than the murder of Renee Good. Though I fully expect the usual suspects to show up and claim it was justified because he was resisting arrest, which seems to be the popular modus operandi for justifying execution by the state.
      • simmerup 9mo ago
        I think they're both inexcusable. Both are entire worlds that have been removed from the earth, because some insecure men were given guns and power by Trump
      • computerthings 9mo ago
        [dead]
      • theossuary 9mo ago
        I don't know how you think this is worse than Renee Good's murder. She was shot in the temple through the driver side window while being directed by an Ice agent to drive away. She was then denied medical care at the scene, and local police were denied access to investigate while the shooter was shepherded out of state as quickly as possible
        • hermanzegerman 9mo ago
          Well they tried to deny local police access here too, but the local police wasn't having it this time
      • foldr 9mo ago
        "We haven't quite decided yet whether he committed suicide or died trying to escape."
    • joemazerino 9mo ago
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      • fzeroracer 9mo ago
        They've been swarming everyone with multiple agents, even people that are objectively not resisting arrest [1]. That's part of what they do to provide cover. It makes it harder to see the victim in question for any bystander taping the incident. Same reason why whenever they arrest a protester they immediately surround them. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9p1dp/man_kneed_in_face_by_ice/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1q9p1dp/man_kn...
      • arunabha 9mo ago
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        • whateveracct 9mo ago
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      • Tadpole9181 9mo ago
        They have two agents holding his hands to the ground while another is beating him in the face with a baton repeatedly. That's not an arrest! They're just thugs who gang up on people and use the violence they themselves are committing as proof of "resisting arrest" to justify escalating violence. There are now numerous videos of them using excessive force, like spraying a from inches away while while am agent has them pinned down, hands behind back. Or a subdued person in cuffs getting a knee to the back of their neck.
        • perihelions 9mo ago
          Here's the source for that one (just in case anyone is living under a rock or something), https://www.startribune.com/border-patrol-greg-bovino-smoke-canister-chemical-spray-ice-protests-observers-minneapolis-dhs/601568184 https://www.startribune.com/border-patrol-greg-bovino-smoke-... ("A federal agent sprays a man being pinned to the ground by other agents following the detention of at least two teenagers in south Minneapolis on Jan. 21. (Richard Tsong-Taatarii/The Minnesota Star Tribune)")
    • lynndotpy 9mo ago
      For anyone wondering why this is relevant to HackerNews: - There are tech companies and workers in companies outside California, - A government deploying a militarized police force to execute people in the streets is bad for the economy, - That government is the United States, and so this is bad for the world economy, - A lot of the people in our industry are immigrants from outside the United States, - If you're a HackerNews user in the United States, you can be shot and killed just like this.
      • Tadpole9181 9mo ago
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      • baubino 9mo ago
        Also, that this kind of state violence and collapse of democracy is underway in the country that also happens to be the center of the global tech industry is something that all HNers should care about.
      • matsemann 9mo ago
        - most of this has been helped by big tech. By algorithms polarizing people, rich people buying social media to further their agenda, etc
      • prime_ursid 9mo ago
        Another reason: individual liberty is and has been an important value in the tech community since the 1960s.
        • direwolf20 9mo ago
          Has it? The original hacker movement surely had it, but is that still the tech community? I feel that since about 2012 the tech community has been money seekers — people who want to own the next AirBNB and Uber — and they don't care about individual liberty.
  • simmerup 9mo ago
    Look at them, they'#re even skipping putting them in jail first so they can be suicided. They must have been at extreme danger of some harsh words before killing them
• password54321 9mo ago
  Why is the focus on Minneapolis? Is it really the training ground for ICE? Edit: "Minnesota has the largest Somali population in the US, according to NBC. The community has been subject to widespread criticism from Mr Trump, who has called them "garbage"."
  • whateveracct 9mo ago
    could be that Trump didn't like how Walz openly mocked him during the election
  • martythemaniak 9mo ago
    It's full of enemies - well off white liberals and black immigrants.
  • jeffbee 9mo ago
    They believe that an urban area containing significant immigrant communities but surrounded on all sides by ultra-right-wing exurban and rural people, 99% of whom are white, will be easy to subjugate.
  • toomuchtodo 9mo ago
    Retribution. There are millions of undocumented immigrants in Texas and Florida, but notice aggressive ICE activities primarily in blue states. It is an attempt to demonstrate unchecked force against their political opponents under the guise of immigration enforcement. Self defense (when warranted) is the only remaining option, because a bully will only escalate to see how far they can go. Restraint by aggressors will not be forthcoming. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO
    • toomuchtodo 9mo ago
      It’s also to get access to voter rolls. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/pam-bondi-walz-doc.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/pam-bondi-... | https://archive.today/kYumW https://archive.today/kYumW
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• andsoitis 9mo ago
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• arunabha 9mo ago
  I looked at the video and have no words. Why, just why?
  • jeffbee 9mo ago
    ICE thugs have been recruited largely from white nationalist rallies and forums. Literally, not as some kind of metaphor. DHS executives post white nationalist propaganda hourly on Twitter. Stephen Miller, an out-of-the-closet Nazi, is the acting president of the United States. Their goal is to start a race war that they believe they can win by murdering 100 million Americans.
    • password54321 9mo ago
      Just in case anyone thinks you are exaggerating: https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298 https://x.com/DHSgov/status/2006472108222853298
      • lynndotpy 9mo ago
        For those who can't access the link, this is the United States DHS with the quote > The peace of a nation no longer besieged by the third world. featuring an illustration of an oldsmobile at a tropical sunny beach with the text "America After 100 Million Deportations". The implication is that a white ethnostate will be paradise. Notably, 100M is not the number of non-citizens in the United States, it's roughly the number of non-White people (90M, per https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045224 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045224)
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        • Gud 9mo ago
          "This image was stolen and is actually a piece of art by the Japanese artist Hiroshi Nagai. 47 million of the United States’ 340 million population is foreign-born, the majority of those being legal immigrants. To do 100 million deportations they’d have to deport citizens. "
• perihelions 9mo ago
  That's a summary execution in broad daylight. I have no words.
  • lynndotpy 9mo ago
    We still have space for discussions about the specific flaws of Microsoft's BitLocker implementation on the front page when the much-more salient "wrench attack" ( https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/ ) is stronger very day. This execution has more significant implications than the combined heft of the chipper clip, or of EARN IT, SOPA, or the myriad of other bad bills introduced to the US Congress over the years. Tech libertarianism was a frontier for the means to the ends of our personal liberties, and not a goal in itself. I refuse to believe the people on this site don't see that it's all connected. (edit: clarification; "this" refers to the execution, not the Bitlocker thing.)
    • woggy 9mo ago
      You are exactly right. People on this site complaining how these topics are not tech related are absolute fools.
  • salawat 9mo ago
    Try these words: Broken arrow. Question is, now that the most dangerous apparatus in the world has been coopted, what are people feeling like doing about it?
  • lysace 9mo ago
    Well, or at least extreme incompetence across the board. Systematic failure from POTUS downwards. It's a statistical game. Arm people, don't train them well enough, give them a mission. Given enough altercations, some will turn out like this.
• arunabha 9mo ago
  @dang Why is this flagged and removed from the front page in seconds.
  • Tadpole9181 9mo ago
    A reminder that /active is the actual frontpage to HN. The landing page is just what the censors allow you to see.
    • salawat 9mo ago
      Show dead is also your friend.
    • throwaway89201 9mo ago
      Thanks for the link to https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active; didn't know that one. As for the existence of "censors" that don't "allow" you to see anything. That's not how this site works, and your lack of carefulness stating that leads me to downvote that. As much as I hate that anything regarding the rise of fascism in the US get's insta-flagged (by a community, not a "censor"), it's still very easy to find such posts, for example on an aggregator [1] and on the /active subpage you just mentioned. It will also be broadly shared on regular (social) media, which is an oft stated reason this kind of stories get flagged by the community, although I think there are many other reasons. [1] https://hckrnews.com https://hckrnews.com
      • JKCalhoun 9mo ago
        "…didn't know that one." Yeah, that's a problem. Not even a link in the header/banner to active.
    • JKCalhoun 9mo ago
      It should be the reverse. The fontpage ought to be "active"—add a "filtered" link the to header/banner for people that hate seeing politics.
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• Fricken 9mo ago
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  • softwaredoug 9mo ago
    How do you look at this video and conclude it’s the protestors fault? What dystopia do you live in where a shoving match, resulting in someone getting restrained, should turn into execution of the restrained person in broad daylight?
    • Fricken 9mo ago
      I'm saying the administration is aiming to provoke violence from the citizenry so they can declare martial law, and that they were hoping to achieve their aim sooner. It is astonishing that no real violence has yet been inflicted upon an ICE thug, in Minneapolis or anywhere else. I never concluded that the protestor is at fault.
  • slater 9mo ago
    Let's not.
• dismalaf 9mo ago
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  • techblueberry 9mo ago
    In America we have the second amendment and open carry laws. Legally speaking, people openly carrying a weapon should not in itself be considered illegal.
    • dismalaf 9mo ago
      I said "resist arrest while being armed and reaching for a gun" I didn't say "have a legal firearm". There's some key points in there.
      • techblueberry 9mo ago
        He was disarmed before he was shot 11 times. I’m not all ACAB or anything, but literally part of the reason the constitution exists is to limit the use of force by the federal government. As a society we should be skeptical any time the government decides to use lethal force against it’s own civilians.
      • Hikikomori 9mo ago
        Neither is true. He was on his knees with two officers holding his arms, another beating him in the head with some hard item while the one on grey disarmed him. Only after the person in grey moved a few meters away can you hear a gunshot and then they unload 10 or so shots. Seems like an accidental discharge or they thought he got his gun in his hand since it wasn't in the holster anymore. Either way, extreme incompetence shown once again by aggressive and untrained white supremacist thugs, which is exactly what they want.
• eudamoniac 9mo ago
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  • cmurf 9mo ago
    Looks like the citizen was disarmed by an agent, then executed by an agent, then a different agent emptied a clip into the corpse. https://bsky.app/profile/bradmossesq.bsky.social/post/3md6pidfink27 https://bsky.app/profile/bradmossesq.bsky.social/post/3md6pi... --- Related, six days ago. Since then, the FBI agent who indicated a civil rights investigation into the shooting of Renee Good was warranted, has resigned. https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mcpk34cyu22p https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mcpk34cyu22p
    • eudamoniac 9mo ago
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      • theossuary 9mo ago
        That's murder if so, not unfortunate
      • malfist 9mo ago
        How does the victim you supposedly saw pull out a gun, do that when he's pinned to the ground with a agent bashing his head repeatedly with an implement?
        • eudamoniac 9mo ago
          When you're in a high stress physical altercation with obscured vision, and you see a gun in your opponent's pants, and then a hand on that gun, and then the gun being pulled out of the pants by that hand, all happening quickly in succession, you may believe in that split second that you are in a mortal situation. These are not well trained soldiers here. I'm not defending them, just guessing at the explanation. I'm operating from the assumption that the ICE agent did not randomly with absolutely no cause decide to execute a guy; probably something made him believe in that moment that he should shoot. You can see from the other, closer video that he very suddenly draws his weapon, as if in reaction to something. Edit: someone else ITT theorized that the disarming agent ND'd which caused another agent to shoot in reaction. That's also pretty plausible.
• rich_sasha 9mo ago
  IANAA: what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents? Especially as they are operating in, at best, increasingly shady legality. I always understood that the USA is built on a delicate balance of power between the federal and state governments. But here the federal government is sending thugs who, masked or unmasked, are brazenly killing people in bizzare circumstances. And the best the state can do is PTFO?
  • salawat 9mo ago
    >IANAA: what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents? Especially as they are operating in, at best, increasingly shady legality. If ICE weren't acting like brown shirts, not much. It'd be Federal tasking happening according to due process;probably after the State informed the Feds they would not delegate local LEO to their task. Now, seeing as ICE are acting like brown shirts; things are kinda complicated. Technically, charges can be brought against specific agents breaking the laws of the State. If those agents happen to be Minnesotan, it may be something that stays internal to the States courts. However, if they are from out-of-state, things get complicated, because then you start dealing with nasty things like Federal jurisdiction, and the fact the Federal government isn't going to be terribly motivated to do anything other than paper over things in the most convenient way they can. Now as to whether Minnesota could just outright expel ICE; it'd be something that hasn't been tested since the Civil War. Typically, when you start doing things like that, the Feds escalate quickly. This type of thing has previously been avoided through attempts at maintaining some degree of professional conduct amongst Federal agents, and getting buy-in from the locals. We are now firmly in interesting times.
    • hypeatei 9mo ago
      > things are kinda complicated. Technically, charges can be brought against specific agents breaking the laws of the State Yes, and the complicated part is federal supremacy[0]. The federal government can "convert" the case against the agent into a federal one and essentially just turn a blind eye which means no justice. No doubt that this administration would protect agents executing citizens by saying it was "part of their duty" to be there and doing that. Relevant: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB11213 https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB11213 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause
• mraniki 9mo ago
  Live feed from status coup news : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASr1zVuQlX4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASr1zVuQlX4
  • mraniki 9mo ago
    Status coup & BG On The Scene are both streaming on YouTube Status coup: https://www.youtube.com/live/ASr1zVuQlX4?si=jZzKn8DSGcIuKZ2N https://www.youtube.com/live/ASr1zVuQlX4?si=jZzKn8DSGcIuKZ2N BG: https://www.youtube.com/live/xYPGiIt4dDY?si=gx-kqx8jgavIsMBI https://www.youtube.com/live/xYPGiIt4dDY?si=gx-kqx8jgavIsMBI
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• dragontamer 9mo ago
  Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worried about is that Pam Bondi / Department of Justice refuses to investigate these or properly prosecute these cases. IE: The Renee Good case has a ton of FBI agents resigning because they've been told to focus on Good's "misbehavior" rather than the ICE Agent's aggression. It will be up to the Minnesota police and justice system to investigate. We cannot expect anything from the DoJ/FBI here. As such, the prosecution case will be gimped, and I fear we will have nothing resembling justice in this case (or Renee Good's case either).
  • wahnfrieden 9mo ago
    It won’t be up to the Minnesota police to investigate. A Minnesota judge gave them a warrant and feds still denied them access.
  • dismalaf 9mo ago
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    • toomuchtodo 9mo ago
      And when you're unlawfully murdered, you have no recourse. They do not care what you tell them, and if you don't resist, you're potentially dead anyway. They have arrested lawful immigrants and citizens, and held them illegally, in some cases for weeks or months. "Comply and you might get lucky and survive" is not a life safety strategy. I'm unsure where this idea to not resist someone who is very likely to kill you without cause (based on all of the evidence and observations to date) is coming from to be frank. Why ICE Can Kill With Impunity - https://www.wired.com/story/why-ice-can-kill-with-impunity/ https://www.wired.com/story/why-ice-can-kill-with-impunity/ | https://archive.today/gMFRS https://archive.today/gMFRS - January 15th, 2026 ("Over the past decade, US immigration agents have shot and killed more than two dozen people. Not a single agent appears to have faced criminal charges.") (own firearms, have taken firearm training, still aware never to trust law enforcement)
• commiepatrol 9mo ago
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  • whateveracct 9mo ago
    Don't comply in advance. You are spouting authoritarian philosophy. In America, you are supposed to have rights vis a vis law enforcement. They do not have dominion over you.
• 2OEH8eoCRo0 9mo ago
  So if you exercise your second amendment right and ICE goons harass you they'll freak out that you're "armed" and execute you.
  • bdangubic 9mo ago
    2A only gives you the right to buy the gun, not actually use it for its intended purposes
    • rolph 9mo ago
      a much higher authority imbues the right to defend ones self. the right to defend ones own person in the face of death or debilitation is not given by any form of government, thus it can not be withdrawn by such.
    • UncleMeat 9mo ago
      Nah if you are somebody like the Bundys you can point guns at cops all day and conservatives will praise you.
    • cosmicgadget 9mo ago
      DC v Heller?
    • int_19h 9mo ago
      It says "bear".
      • direwolf20 9mo ago
        The right to bear arms. Bear legs, heads, torsos, and pelts are off-limits.
  • JKCalhoun 9mo ago
    Always been that way. "I was afraid for my life!"
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• softwaredoug 9mo ago
  This is probably a good day to take time away from social media. Doom scrolling won’t do anything Instead there’s DHS funding going through Congress which could give Congress leverage to restrict ICE. To be clear ICE will still operate past the funding deadline. But Congress can create limits like mandating allowing states to investigate these crimes. Restrict who can carry firearms. Write your senators and ask them to block DHS funding
  • dragontamer 9mo ago
    I completely forgot about the potential government shutdown this week, and how this killing would affect it....
  • Tadpole9181 9mo ago
    They passed the DHS funding. The day ICE executes a man in broad daylight by blowing his brains out from point-blank, they get an extra $10,000,000,000 in funding. America is a failed nation.
    • softwaredoug 9mo ago
      Did the Senate pass it? I think just the House did.
      • Tadpole9181 9mo ago
        It's a simple majority and Republicans have 53 votes without defects. Every single Republican voted for it in Congress, so clearly today changes nothing at all. And 7 democrats even voted alongside them.
        • valleyer 9mo ago
          No, this bill would be subject to the filibuster (since it's not a reconciliation bill under the Budget Act), so it's not a simple majority.
• mraniki 9mo ago
  Alternative angle from the lady in pink NSFW https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlux63/alternative_angle_of_iceinvolved_shooting_from/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlux63/altern... Edit mirror https://imgur.com/a/UTDrKz0 https://imgur.com/a/UTDrKz0
  • deinonychus 9mo ago
    very valuable video but it’s been deleted
  • ailun 9mo ago
    They deleted it. Have a mirror? Thank you!
  • tkzed49 9mo ago
    mirror https://bsky.app/profile/alexip718.com/post/3md6uyjftvc2f https://bsky.app/profile/alexip718.com/post/3md6uyjftvc2f
    • emchammer 9mo ago
      I do not comprehend why all these platforms act as if they are doing a favor with the censorship.
      • deleted 9mo ago
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      • AlecSchueler 9mo ago
        They're doing a favour to the regime
  • davidguetta 9mo ago
    Who shoot exactly ? i don't understand anything (not sarcasm, i'm in the airport and can't make sense of the vid)
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• jimt1234 9mo ago
  I hate to say it, but once again, Trump wins. All of my MAGA family is talking about what's going on in Minneapolis, with pretty predictable reactions. But guess what they're not talking about: Jeffrey Epstein - that's old news, time to move on, Dems are the only ones bringing it up, etc.
• praptak 9mo ago
  You can never tell the breaking point of fascism but this certainly looks like it. I'm happy I don't work for a US company because I no longer think it's ethical to do so.
  • dada216 9mo ago
    quick reminder that out of the 8 author of the seminal paper that arguably started the whole LLM thing (attention is all you need) only one is American. all the other are foreign born, studied and worked abroad and only then were recruited by US FAANGs.
• slg 9mo ago
  For how long can we keep ignoring this?
  • popularrecluse 9mo ago
    Right up until it knocks on our own door.
    • deeg 9mo ago
      Maybe if Trump goes after cryptocurrency or AI they'll start to care.
  • ninkendo 9mo ago
    Who’s ignoring it?
    • popularrecluse 9mo ago
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    • pan69 9mo ago
      Republican senators?
      • ninkendo 9mo ago
        I wouldn’t say they’re ignoring it’s so much as cheering it on, and falling over each other to voice their support for it. It’s liberals getting killed after all, and they’re not Americans like republicans are Americans. No, there’s people that love what ICE is doing, people that hate it, people who try and stop it, and the rest of us who look on in horror at the trainwreck and collapse happening in front of us… But I can’t think of a single group of people who are ignoring it. Other than maybe for a lack of perceived other options and to keep from going insane. Myself? I’m basically a coward. I have two young children. I don’t want to go protest ICE and get killed by one of these wannabe gestapos. I’m in a real state of fear for my children and the world they’re going to grow up in, but I literally don’t know what else I can do. Maybe I’ll help join the campaign if a democratic candidate this year and help them get elected. But I’m not ignoring it. I can’t think of anyone who is.
• Handy-Man 9mo ago
  Just say it as it is, they executed a US citizen.
  • testing22321 9mo ago
    After pistol whipping him and holding him down with five guys. His crime? Filming them.
  • rescripting 9mo ago
    Executed yet _another_ US citizen. This is going to keep happening. Over, and over, and over again, until ICE is disbanded and those involved are held accountable. When that happens (and how high the casualty number gets) is up to the American people.
• noobermin 9mo ago
  Regarding just the headline, at this point it's not really about immigration, this has evolved into a soft civil conflict being waged for political reasons. The two people who have been killed so far were themselves citizens and at best were political dissidents. They were not themselves subject to detainment due to immigration status.
  • nrds 9mo ago
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    • amluto 9mo ago
      On the flip side: where did the idea that it’s illegal to obstruct a belligerent person who does not clearly identify themselves as a law enforcement officer come from?
    • testing22321 9mo ago
      Watch the video of what led to this. He was standing there filming with his phone, ICE ran up to him and started yelling/pushing. Are you suggesting that him filming was obstructing ICE?
      • nrds 9mo ago
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        • SauciestGNU 9mo ago
          So you assert that there is some prima facia obstruction going on here but refuse to clearly state what the obstructive behavior is?
        • lovich 9mo ago
          No, you just claimed that anyone saying he wasn't obstructing is engaging in a fallacious argument. He wasn't obstructing, he was filming them. That's a literal fact, not a fallacy.
• therobots927 9mo ago
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  • popularrecluse 9mo ago
    Fascist autocracy is unwieldy. Freedom is the natural state. It will win in the end. How long that takes is up to the people.
    • direwolf20 9mo ago
      Judging by history, the natural state appears to be feudalism
• saubeidl 9mo ago
  First they came for the illegal immigrants and I did not speak out, because I was not an illegal immigrant. Then they came for the legal immigrants they didn't like and I did not speak out, because I was not a legal immigrant. Then they came for their political enemies and I did not speak up, because I was not their political enemy. Then they came for me, and there was nobody left to speak out for me.
  • normanthreep 9mo ago
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    • saubeidl 9mo ago
      I am confused.
      • normanthreep 9mo ago
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• praptak 9mo ago
  You can never tell the breaking point of fascism but this certainly looks like it. I'm happy I don't work for a US company because I no longer think it's ethical to do so.
  • porknubbins 9mo ago
    Most people I know, including some on the right disagree with these tactics which seem designed more to intimidate and silence opposition. Of course you’re free to work with whomever you choose but it seems like a pretty empty virtue signal to avoid all companies in a huge, diverse country
    • testing22321 9mo ago
      The leader of that huge, diverse country controls the most powerful military in the world and is threatening to invade my country and is showing maps where it’s part of the US. I have a 2 year old daughter. With every fibre of my being I’m not spending a cent on any US business, person, company.
    • deeg 9mo ago
      It might be empty but if enough people do this and put pressure on the US economy it might make a difference. It's unfortunate but many people won't care until it starts effecting them personally.
    • wozer 9mo ago
      A country that elected Trump twice in spite of his obvious character flaws. Also using the term "virtue signal" marks you as an idiot.
      • UncleMeat 9mo ago
        The term really is being abused. "Oh, you are donating your time and money to charitable programs to the poor? What virtue signaling." It has just become a cliche to say that doing anything based on your values whatsoever is bad.
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• testing22321 9mo ago
  The title calling it an “immigration crackdown” is propaganda. Texas and Florida have WAY more illegals than Minnesota [1], why are ICE not terrorizing citizens there? This federal violence and murder is not about illegals. Anyone that thinks it is is not paying attention. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1l8o8mu/percentage_of_undocumented_immigrants_2022/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1l8o8mu/percentage...
  • Redoubts 9mo ago
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    • filoeleven 9mo ago
      Wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhWrol1kc44&t=64s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhWrol1kc44&t=64s
• mwenge 9mo ago
  If not now, when?
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• idiotsecant 9mo ago
  I feel like open armed conflict between anti-fascist groups and these federal goons is inevitable at this point. When it happens it will be used as pretext for a wider more brutal occupation and will be used as extenuating circumstances to 'bend the rules' come election time. The winning move here is continued nonviolent opposition, but it only takes one spark to start a fire then who knows what happens
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• tehwebguy 9mo ago
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  • therobots927 9mo ago
    At least half of the flags are probably from off the books bots used by HN to filter dissent. I’m not kidding.
    • goethes_kind 9mo ago
      pg doesn't support this, so I don't buy these conspiracy theories.
      • therobots927 9mo ago
        pg is a member of the technocracy. Their public positions mean nothing when they continue to hack away at the fabric of society. If it’s not HN doing it it’s someone else, and they have made no effort to stop it. So either way, their platform is being manipulated to filter dissent.
      • Hikikomori 9mo ago
        Garry Tan seems close to Thiel that does support this administration.
  • testing22321 9mo ago
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• jimmy76615 9mo ago
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  • pan69 9mo ago
    They are not protecting "ICE the agency". They are protesting "ICE the paramilitary force".
  • saubeidl 9mo ago
    The Gestapo, too, was just law enforcement officers doing their job. Sometimes the law and its agents are armed thugs terrorizing the populace.
  • losvedir 9mo ago
    I think you need to watch the video. I encourage you to think ahead of time what you would define as "intimidating", though.
• loxodrome 9mo ago
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• dethos 9mo ago
  Things are really getting ugly there. So sad to witness it happening in “real time.”
• tastyface 9mo ago
  Bellingcat analysis: https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3md6vleoxks2t https://bsky.app/profile/bellingcat.com/post/3md6vleoxks2t "A video of the shooting appears to show that a gun was taken from the man BEFORE THE FIRST shot was fired." "At least 10 shots being heard in total. Most of them are fired after a brief delay, when the man is already lying motionless on the ground."
• yongjik 9mo ago
  At the rate things are going, I wonder if America can hold together until the midterm. The Trump regime is acting like it wants a civil war. If anyone told me in 2024 that America may see its own Tiananmen, I'd have laughed, but I'm not so sure now. I can totally see something similar at a smaller scale, and millions of Americans defending it with "it was necessary to keep law and order."
  • 2OEH8eoCRo0 9mo ago
    They're acting like they'll never be out of power or face consequences.
    • quickthrowman 9mo ago
      Presidential pardon power is unlimited. One blanket pardon erases all accountability.
      • dogmatism 9mo ago
        and SCOTUS has ruled presidents have immunity for any actions while in office
  • Hikikomori 9mo ago
    You should have read project 2025 in 2024 then. To quote the main author: the revolution will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”
  • dogmatism 9mo ago
    >The Trump regime is acting like it wants a civil war. it's not out of the question that incitement to invoke insurrection act and then cancel the midterms is the strategy
    • direwolf20 9mo ago
      the guy in charge isn't thinking straight, and he saw that Ukraine had no elections during the war, and he saw that Russia had rigged elections during the war, and I don't know what other countries, but he might think America can skip elections during a war, if he starts enough wars, and he might be right.
• hypeatei 9mo ago
  Video of a federal agent disarming the victim before the others shot him: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the_grey_coat_officer_retrieving_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the... The lead up also does NOT show the victim threatening these agents in any way, with the gun or otherwise. Instead, they pushed a woman down and this guy tries to shield her and that's when they target him. EDIT: another angle showing the run up: https://www.reddit.com/r/Leakednews/comments/1qlvt7t/video_from_the_lady_in_the_pink_coat/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Leakednews/comments/1qlvt7t/video_f...
  • mothballed 9mo ago
    It looks to me like the guy who disarmed him ND'd[] (or maybe another officer, but I see the disarmer jolt his arm in an axis parallel to the barrel at time of shot) and they all started shooting. This has happened before. Once one shot goes off they all shoot at the suspect. [] https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2015145197965881786 https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2015145197965881786
    • Rapzid 9mo ago
      There is another angle from that side of the street now. A single agent unholstered and started unloading into the guy with first show square in his back. This is while the other agents where right there holding him and they all looked quite shocked. Looks like this one individual went off the reservation and sparked all the shooting.
  • TacticalCoder 9mo ago
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    • hypeatei 9mo ago
      > By definition we know that dems and their publications are only going to show one angle Umm, are you just being purposefully blind? Every angle is being pushed across social media and everyone has seen them. They're all bad. There isn't some large conspiracy to make these agents look bad, what they did is bad and disgusting. I've edited my comment with another angle to make you feel better. > But somehow resisting arrest while having a gun on you isn't threatening? Reaching for a gun is threatening, brandishing a gun is threatening, resisting while possessing a gun is not, no. Regardless, the video shows he was disarmed so why did they mag dump him? > Or did the ICE agents disarm him without having seen the gun first? What? That sentence doesn't make sense. I believe they saw it holstered on his waistband after they had tackled him and the one agent came in and took it. The fact that you're even trying to find a shred of justification after what everyone just watched is also disgusting.
• ghthor 9mo ago
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  • timeon 9mo ago
    > athletic men Surprisingly, many of them are fat.
• mothballed 9mo ago
  Watch this at the 5 secod mark[]. It looks like the agent that picked up the disarmed gun had his finger on it and ND'd the initial shot. He jolts his arm right as the first shot goes off. Then all the other officer panic and fire. Edit: ND = negligent discharge [] https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2015145197965881786 https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2015145197965881786
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      • filoeleven 9mo ago
        Nobody asked for your AI spew, either.
        • ratrace 9mo ago
          Well you seemed incapable of using the search bar in your browser so I was just trying to help you out.
  • HaZeust 9mo ago
    This doesn't hold to scrutiny. The ICE agent that was first to shoot was the same agent to fire the most shots, I'm led to believe he was the ONLY one that fired shots.
• nunez 9mo ago
  The video is horrifying: https://old.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlpzu8/another_ice_murder_in_front_of_glam_doll_donuts/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlpzu8/anothe... That's all I'll say.
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• mickle00 9mo ago
  So fucking sad and preventable.
• arunabha 9mo ago
  Folks, the videos of this incident are being taken down rapidly. Please do what you can to preserve them.
• CodeArtisan 9mo ago
  Wikipedia has a page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti
  • matsemann 9mo ago
    Man, I hate that they "both sides" this. "DHS says he approached with a handgun, NYT says the video shows a phone" makes it seem like just an unlucky misunderstanding. But the DHS quote clearly is a straight up lie based on video evidence, and this doesn't convey how it was a straight up execution and that all the escalation was done by the officers.
    • oceansky 9mo ago
      It's a current event, so things will change fast. At the same time, the Wikipedia page for ICE itself sounds a lot like a propaganda piece, with criticism as a footnote.
    • tim333 9mo ago
      From my reading of the evidence so far it seems there was a misunderstanding. Looks like one of the ICE guys said he has a gun, took the gun but the others didn't realise the gun had been taken.
      • matsemann 9mo ago
        Nah, "he has a gun" doesn't mean he poses a threat, especially not when maced, with 4 guys on top and hands placed on the ground. And it definitely doesn't explain why they kept firing at him even when laying dead on the ground. The thugs created the situation, escalated the situation, and then showed their true colors. Nothing in this can be explained away by a mere misunderstanding. And I recommend watching the videos, not just "reading the evidence". The statements made are blatant lies and you should put no stock in them.
• arunabha 9mo ago
  This was an execution, plain and simple. There is no way around it. There are videos from multiple angles and there was an eyewitness (the lady in the pink jacket) literally two feet away. I am hoping against hope that people regardless of political association, will demand accountability. America, our democracy and the rule of the law will be on trial in the coming days. Let's see how we fare.
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• judahmeek 9mo ago
  https://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/01/minneapolis-ice-minnesota-police-dhs/685736/ https://archive.is/https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026...
• HPMOR 9mo ago
  Why is this being hidden off of the main HN pages? There are clearly enough points for it to be significantly up weighted. I don’t understand the censorship.
  • lovich 9mo ago
    The censorship is cranked up on every site now, presumably due to fear of retaliation from this admin. They are hyper online, and threaten any companies business deals if they feel slighted. Its why you can get banned on reddit now for quoting the president.
    • joquarky 9mo ago
      Yep, I got a three day ban from Reddit for directly quoting JFK (and nothing else) in my comment. I even attributed it.
    • lysace 9mo ago
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    • Guid_NewGuid 9mo ago
      This site has always been easy to co-opt to fascism with their supposedly apolitical outlook. Flagging from unknown accounts easily kills stories of importance, even where they have relation to the supposed interests of the site. Such as the AI altered image being posted by the White House this week. The idea we have to treat arguments in good faith like the other user in this story excusing fascist death squads show how well this moderation approach aligns with the Thiel-ite sympathies.
      • UncleMeat 9mo ago
        Curtis Yarvin spent a lot of time posting here, after all.
  • belter 9mo ago
    Some naive people here, still think the HN page listing is based on points and comments...
• jonehiskey1 9mo ago
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  • drewbug01 9mo ago
    Did you come to that conclusion after watching the videos, or just after reading statements from DHS?
    • belter 9mo ago
      Dont bother replying to Palantir bots...
  • lovich 9mo ago
    ah, because the two choices the government agents have are "do nothing" and "mag dump a guy after you had 5-6 guys pepper spraying and beating him on the ground"
  • acdha 9mo ago
    What authority did they have to arrest him? He wasn’t an immigrant covered by a warrant, impeding whatever legitimate tasks they were doing, they chose to walk over to him, chose to initiate physical violence against the first person, chose to escalate when he tried to help the first person the agents assaulted, and the video showed that he was disarmed and subdued before they shot him.
• duxup 9mo ago
  Another angle of the encounter: https://np.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlvpgy/better_angle_showing_his_handsarms_pinned_under/ https://np.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlvpgy/better_...
• tsoukase 9mo ago
  From a semi-corrupt country, ie being somewhere between Africa and the developed world, I can only suggest to fellow USians courage and patience three more years. Times will come good again. A corrupt leader is very difficult to change and things seem grim because he has captured all three forms of power.
  • hdgvhicv 9mo ago
    A civilised country can not be destroyed by one king, nor saved by a new leader. America has checks and balances, and they have failed. There’s no “wait 3 years”, that’s over, as America will always be one election away from anarchy or worse. The only way out is the Republican Party impeaching him and spending the next 10 years undoing the damage at the top and next 40 year rebuilding civil society.
    • crote 9mo ago
      > America has checks and balances, and they have failed. America pretended to have checks and balances. Everyone just turned a blind eye to the massive holes in them and pretended things were going to be fiiiiine.
      • sleight42 9mo ago
        Our own "founding fathers" knew that no system could stop someone determined enough to destroy it from inside. "The dignity and stability of government in all its branches, the morals of the people, and every blessing of society depend so much upon an upright and skillful administration of justice, that the judicial power ought to be distinct from both the legislative and executive, and independent upon both, that so it may be a check upon both, as both..." — John Adams And our government doesn't have that necessary firebreak. Justice is part of the Executive. Source: https://www.mass.gov/guides/john-adams-architect-of-american-government https://www.mass.gov/guides/john-adams-architect-of-american...
        • schoen 9mo ago
          The Justice Department isn't the same as the judicial branch. The Justice Department is (among several other things) the lawyers who represent the government in front of (judicial branch) courts.
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• hdgvhicv 9mo ago
  You know how the second amendment is about protecting Americans from tyrannical governments, and how a few dozen schools being shot ip each year is a small price to pay? Funny how it doesn’t work in reality.
  • rchaud 9mo ago
    2A is a historical relic of the settler colonial era when communities had to create their own security forces. It's strongest proponents today are those who want to create their own laws and have private militias to enforce it, in obvious contravention of state and federal laws which are decided through a democratic process with checks and balances (elections, legislatures and independent judiciaries). The present federal government has co-opted the militia strategy and filled its ranks with the 2A absolutists, and given them a budget that rivals most countries' militaries.
    • dogmatism 9mo ago
      Even more of a relic: those militias weren't just bands of yeoman farmers. They were veterans of the recent French-and-Indian war. Often who had served with the commanders of the British forces arrayed against them. George Howe brother of William who ultimately became CiC of British forces in America died in the arms of Israel Putnam, one of the continental army's first generals at the battle of Ticonderoga. They thought so highly of him, the Massachusetts assembly allocated funds for a memorial to Howe at Westminster. George Howe (unlike ICE, lol) often had a hard time bringing ultimate force to bear as he didn't really see the colonials as "enemy". I'd submit it's a violation of the 2A to allow the Nat Guard (essentially the continuation of those militias) to be forcibly nationalized (it took quite a bit of negotiating to get them all to join the fledgling continental army) Anyhoo, tl;dr, for sure, 2A is an anachronism
• JumpinJack_Cash 9mo ago
  It's the playbook already seen in Argentina, the Middle East and many other countries. But especially Argentina. The military always has in the back of their mind the idea that they are above people, and this goes from the most deviant and incompetent soldier who still has a 6pack and fighting abilities and thinks all the guys in his small town are wussies all the way up to the highest ranked general who begrudgingly has to meet Senators and Representatives but still think they are nothing but wussies. A common thread is that they think that society doesn't reward them with enough power for their valuable skills and instead it gives such power to undeserving people and their undeserving skills, for example a mayor who is able to cry on command to empathize with the population when some tragedy happens or the same mayor who got elected by being able to identify people's worries and lie that they'll fix them just to get power. And if even the smallest doubt begins to enter the mind of the population , the doubt that yes maybe it could be better if the military ran things, the cold execution, the lack of emotion would bring us efficiency....it's already over.... the military dictatorship in effect already in place as there is no way to stop it after the seed of the doubt begins to emerge in the collective minds of the population. If a malignant actor can convince the military that he can deliver the status in society that they really deserve they'll be willing to kill for that man. And if that malignant actor can also plant a small seed in the collective minds of the population....well get ready to kneel before your new dictator America
  • Rapzid 9mo ago
    This isn't the military. It's worth pointing out our military is very different than those militaries.
    • JumpinJack_Cash 9mo ago
      Really? Why they accepted to execute the kidnapping of Maduro then? Or the droning made famous by Snowden, or Abu Graib or all the grim stuff that happened in the Middle East ever since 2001? The Military thinks it's better than everyone and as a personality type they want to be involved in unprecedented stuff to 'leave their mark on the world' A bad actor can seize such sentiment in a whim
• shitter 9mo ago
  > An I.C.U. nurse shot by federal agents was an American citizen with no criminal record, the city police chief said. A New York Times video analysis shows he was holding a phone, not a gun. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/us/minneapolis-shooting-ice https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/us/minneapolis-shooting-ic...
• OutOfHere 9mo ago
  I don't know why people are still wasting time with protests and filming. The murderous Nazis won't learn until the people of Minneapolis deal with them the way Afghans dealt with imperialist invaders in Afghanistan. There is another three-letter acronym starting with I that comes to mind.
  • acdha 9mo ago
    Think about why the administration and its backers lie so frequently: they know they’re lying, and they know that evidence will come out showing that they’re lying, but they’re gambling on a lot of people being busy and not following the story closely enough to realize how misleading the initial claims were. They do that because their policies are unpopular and they would lose power if most people voted. That’s why these videos matter: it’s probably not going to convince the MAGA diehards to recant but they’re shocking enough that anyone more patriotic than that might realize that this is far more than normal politics.
    • idibiks 9mo ago
      Trump-voting but not dedicated-to-evil relatives I know (I have others who are dedicated to evil, they're beyond hope—incidentally, this is a whole thing in Republican circles, folks who haven't been around actual red-state Republicans since the '90s or so have no idea how common some really shocking views about the validity of state violence on people who annoy or politically oppose them are, they outright like this stuff and there are minimum 50 million people like that in this country) are mostly doing the "well both sides say different things and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle" thing about all of this stuff, and refusing to watch the videos that would quickly show them that no, only one side is saying anything at all connected to the truth.
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• TheAlchemist 9mo ago
  Americans, where will you realize that the longer you wait, the worse it will get ? The whole country should be in the streets now. You guys are fast tracking your way into a dictatorship, and unfortunately you may drag the entire Western world with you. The videos from this are numerous and very clear about what happened. And yet, all the officials are telling that a guy is a domestic terrorist and approached ICE officers with a gun, with intent to kill them. How crazy is that ? And if they do this in cases where everything is filmed, you can only imagine what's happening behind the scenes.
  • blurbleblurble 9mo ago
    That's right. What you don't understand is that we must and can only move in resonance with our understanding and with the mass and momentum we are capable of. It's painfully slow, I know. Please be encouraging. We are being harassed by the "commander" of the (formerly) most powerful military in the world. He is a psychopath nobody can deny. We MUST find our power and our power is NOT violence. But our power is MORE POWERFUL THAN VIOLENCE. And when as you find it I hope you will see it in you and your people and realize that you too had it all along.
  • nullocator 9mo ago
    The unfortunate truth I think is that no matter how many people might be with this idea of just "rising up" and taking back the country, america is is fucking massive and many cities and towns there is no noticeable ice or border patrol presence. So even if you can get people out and protesting at some common meaningless locations its going to be symbolic at best. If you want out-of-band change in the U.S. it will at minimum take some combination of three things: - sustained weeks or months long protests in D.C. - extreme social pressure on congress representatives no matter where they may be. - state governments in rebellion or threatening it against the federal government. I don't think we're particular close on any of these. Otherwise tough luck, wait for the probably manipulated elections.
    • mvdtnz 9mo ago
      More excuses.
• insane_dreamer 9mo ago
  Can you imagine if other people hadn't been around filming what happened here and the murder of Renee Good? The Gov would completely cover it up, make the victims look like domestic terrorists, and we'd never be able to show the truth. That's why Good and Pretti doing what they were doing -- observing and filming -- is so damn important, and why ICE will literally murder people, with the full backing of the Trump Administration, to stop it.
• bicepjai 9mo ago
  I’ve cut my NYT consumption down to maybe 5 minutes a week, and somehow today it still managed to wreck my headspace. I’m not a historian, but my memory reached into that rarely-used middle school history drawer and pulled up this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo
  • layman51 9mo ago
    Also this idea too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang
• zippyman55 9mo ago
  Personal gun ownership scares me for this reason. The potential for an incorrect assumption of one of the parties who also has a gun. I’d like to see the people who pull the trigger “accidentally” prosecuted in most cases.
• siliconwrath 9mo ago
  Statement from Michael and Susan Pretti Parents of Alex Jeffrey Pretti "We are heartbroken but also very angry. Alex was a kindhearted soul who cared deeply for his family and friends and also the American veterans whom he cared for as an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA hospital. Alex wanted to make a difference in this world. Unfortunately, he will not be with us to see his impact. I do not throw around the 'hero' term lightly. However, his last thought and act was to protect a woman. The sickening lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible and disgusting. Alex is clearly not holding a gun when attacked by Trump's murdering and cowardly ICE thugs. He had his phone in his right hand and his empty left hand is raised above his head while trying to protect the woman ICE just pushed down, all while being pepper sprayed. Please get the truth out about our son. He was a good man. Thank You. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alex-pretti-fatally-shot-federal-officers-minneapolis-identified-paren-rcna255758 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alex-pretti-fatally-sho...
• Whatarethese 9mo ago
  In a few short years some of these ICE workers will be brought up on charges and sentences for their crimes. Just because no one has the gaul to arrest them today doesn't mean they won't in the future. No statute of limitations here.
  • RealityVoid 9mo ago
    You are terribly optimistic. I think they will face no consequences and the violence will escalate even more. I _could_ be overreacting, but I'm afraid we're on the cusp of something horrible.
    • JKCalhoun 9mo ago
      So then project past the horribleness. There will be an accounting. Seems like in history that's more often the case.
  • UncleMeat 9mo ago
    I would like to believe this, but I think we need new leadership in dem leadership to make this happen. Trump staged a coup to invalidate an election and install himself as president. Dem leadership thought that slow rolling his prosecution was the right idea. I believe that there is serious risk that the dems just say "well, let's try to put all that behind us" if they win in 2026 and 2028.
    • direwolf20 9mo ago
      If there are elections in 2026 or 2028.
• burnerzzzzz 9mo ago
  ICE working as intended. US citizens need to fear ICE, how else could it be used to deter voting? Certainly ICE will be placed strategically come the next elections
• nurettin 9mo ago
  Why don't you guys have cool news like "man with punisher t-shirt downs 10 ICE agents and threatens the organization on camera"?
  • AlecSchueler 9mo ago
    That gives them the martial law and unlimited terms they're looking for.
    • nurettin 9mo ago
      What unlimited terms? It seems like they can kill whoever they want whenever they want. And I don't think there are enough of them to fight a civil war.
      • RealityVoid 9mo ago
        The command structures are coopted at this point. It might be enough to hold on to power when direct confrontation happens. Things happening in the US now are insane and the most insane part to me is how clear that this is the direction the Trump train was taking it. And people would just not stop going down this road. Welcome to the new world. It will suck for a long time from now on.
      • AlecSchueler 9mo ago
        I mean unlimited presidential terms without having anything like elections to get in the way.
        • muwtyhg 9mo ago
          Is there any mechanism already where a war or active civil unrest causes a delay in elections in America? I've read that America has no such provision in our election laws to delay/cancel an election like that.
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• MisterMower 9mo ago
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  • voganmother42 9mo ago
    The ICU nurse with no criminal record? Get out of here with your both side nonsense
  • filoeleven 9mo ago
    Stop repeating the lies of the administration. Minnesota's DOC chief corrects the record. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXcAqhjVXoU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXcAqhjVXoU
• cteiosanu 9mo ago
  ICE is just US IRGC at point.
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• ndsipa_pomu 9mo ago
  Trump's death squads execute another dissident
• Sam713 9mo ago
  This links to a synchronized amalgamation of multiple video angles: https://streamable.com/udofq5 https://streamable.com/udofq5 It clearly shows that Alex Pretti never drew a weapon, and his (legally owned and carried) CCW was removed by one of the agents from its holster seconds prior to other agents shooting Alex in the back. Agents are visibly using pepper spray, pistol whipping his head, and even though it’s 5+ vs one, don’t even appear to be attempting to handcuff or properly restrain. Another video from a VFX editor showing position of hands during the incident: https://www.reddit.com/user/AriFeblowitzVFX/comments/1qmf89x/highlighting_alex_prettis_hands_and_gun/ https://www.reddit.com/user/AriFeblowitzVFX/comments/1qmf89x...
  • QuantumGood 9mo ago
    No longer available.
• AndreyK1984 9mo ago
  Any chance to see the other side ? I regularly read the opposite side press, their points are basically this: - get rid of all immigrants (illegal alients) - get rid of everyone who is against ICE - take Canada, Greenland, Mexico and Colombia Thus seriously, any minimal possibility to justify actions of ICE? Scared, non trained, a very stupid agent, whatever ?
• techlover14159 9mo ago
  Can ICE agents be prosecuted three years later if the party in Federal power changes?
• TrnsltLife 9mo ago
  Based on seeing the video, it seems an officer standing in front of the decedent is the one who drew/disarmed the weapon from the decedent's holster. This was under the arching body of another agent who was holding the decedent down. The man who shot him was standing behind him. Despite all the outraged rhetoric on here, it does not seem reasonable to assume that the officer simply decided to murder the man out of anger, spite, bloodlust, and perceived immunity. Rather, a dispassionate analysis of the scenario might suggest that the shooter only saw the weapon be drawn by an unknown hand, and not discerning that it was one of his fellow officers disarming the struggling man, instead believed that the struggling man had managed to draw his own weapon and was preparing to fire. Given the facing of the struggling man and the shooting officer, it seems unlikely that his first fear was for his own life but rather for the lives of his comrades, and so he fired his weapon to remove the perceived threat to his fellow officers lives. This explains exactly why he fired almost immediately after he saw the gun drawn. Not an extrajudicial execution as some are recklessly calling it, but a tragic example of having to make life and death decisions with an imperfect view of the ... battlefield for lack of a better term ... and the foolishness of getting in the way of armed men. I tell my kids they have the right of way at the crosswalk but right of way is not going to save their life if the car doesn't see them, so look both ways and make sure cars are slowing down. The same sense of caution should be used when deciding to get in the way of men, even good and lawful men, with guns. It made sense to protest the Vietnam war or Iraq or Afghanistan in America, not in the war zone. We have freedom of speech and the right to petition the government for redress of grievances, but do that from the sidewalk, in court, or before Congress, not in the line of fire of a police action. And I don't believe we have the right to block roads, scream in the faces of law enforcement or military personnel, or impede them in the fulfillment of their lawful duties which these immigration enforcement actions are.
  • lovich 9mo ago
    He wasn’t impeding. He was filming which until recently was a 1A right in America. The officer walked up to him and the woman with the backpack and started an altercation. Using your right of way analogy the officer drove up on the sidewalk to take out your kids, no crosswalk involved. If you’re going to defend this with a “well look at what she was wearing” type defense then you’re just ok with government agents executing citizens whenever they feel like it.
• xnx 9mo ago
  Like in the South Park episode from 28 years ago, ICE/MAGA can justify any violence by crying "It's coming right for us!".