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TikTok is now collecting more data about its users
- Johnny_Bonk 9mo agoHow much more data is even left to collect lol
- afavour 9mo agoWell, precise location data for one.
- bdangubic 9mo agowe’ve had this for decade+
- afavour 9mo agoNo, they haven’t. Read the article.
- bdangubic 9mo agoI was processing “precise location data” a decade ago at work - nothing to do with the article at all. the OP comment was made as general “what is there left” and it ain’t precise location data
- afavour 9mo ago> I was processing “precise location data” a decade ago at work Were you working at TikTok? If not, I don’t see the relevance. The TikTok app didn’t used to demand precise location data. Now it does. That’s a difference.
- usernomdeguerre 9mo agoEverything that would assist a Kavanaugh Stop
- alienbirds 9mo agohttps://archive.is/fs4Nl https://archive.is/fs4Nl
- slg 9mo agoRemember when part of the argument to force a TikTok sale was protecting American's private data? Honestly, if I had to hand my personal data over to someone, I much rather give it to the nebulous "China" that people always fearmonger about than an American billionaire aligned with the current administration because the latter is much more likely to have avenues to use that data against me.
- MrGilbert 9mo ago„Hey, while we have the data - why not pipe it directly to ICE? Palantir might use it as well.“ All for the sake of "security & safety", I‘d assume.
- moshun 9mo agoI don’t know if you’re joking, but that’s pretty clearly exactly what they’re going to do. Take a look at the new terms of service. They released this morning, this whole app has just been weaponized against political and dissidents.
- MrGilbert 9mo agoI was joking. I did not know this. That is horrible. I hope at some point the American people find the courage to fight for their democracy.
- kakflelajf74 9mo agoTiktok became a bigger national security risk after being sold than it was before.
- hshdhdhj4444 9mo agoAll Americans are probably better off using Chinese apps that the Chinese government uses to snoop on them and Chinese are better off using American apps that the American govt uses to snoop on them than the opposite. The impact the Chinese government can have on an individual American is minor compared to the US govt and the same goes for the American and Chinese govts on the average Chinese person.
- nikkwong 9mo ago...Highly disagree. China can (and has) manipulate the hearts and minds of the American public—skewing their biases in a way that creates internal chaos and dissent, disrupting institutional order, and sewing distrust of thy neighbor. They've been doing this for at least a decade now, and have played a silent hand in reshaping American politics. If (when) a conflict arises, trust that they will use this tool to manipulate the electorate in a way that benefits them in a zero sum way.
- coldtea 9mo ago>China can (and has) manipulate the hearts and minds of the American public—skewing their biases in a way that creates internal chaos and dissent, disrupting institutional order, and sewing distrust of thy neighbor Nothing a tin-foil hat can't prevent As if the public needed any manipulation. You can just read what actual public figures, journalists, and such have been openly saying for the last 15-20 years... When a long-time political player, wife of a President, and presidential candidate calls a big chunk of the population "deplorables", when opposing candidates call for the jailing or even shooting of their opponent, or when the current President is saying what he says and doing what he does, you need more to get "chaos" and "distrust of the neighbor"?
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- esskay 9mo agoFor anyone confused, this only affects US users who's data is now handled by the new US entity.
- mcny 9mo agoIs this why the location suggestions on my posts used to be so wildly inaccurate? Because they weren't collecting precise location?
- cdrnsf 9mo agoCBS news is effectively state media after the Ellison acquisition and Weiss hire. TikTok's US operation won't be any different and rolling HBO/Time Warner/CNN et al into this will be even worse.
- xbmcuser 9mo agoNot even state media foreign state media.
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- gman83 9mo agoAnecdotally I noticed a big uptick in pro-Trump content in Europe recently. Was flooded with anti-Jack Smith clips in the last couple of days, for example. Also seeing a lot of anti-immigration, far-right content.
- coliveira 9mo agoIs there any way to use the international version of TikTok in the US?
- zoklet-enjoyer 9mo agoVPN?
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- hshdhdhj4444 9mo agoPeople are clearly criticizing it. The theoretical difference is that the people can push their govt to restrict what data the American version of TikTok collects and what it does. Unfortunately it’s looking likely this difference will remain theoretical.
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- reactordev 9mo agoSocial Media is evil. Don't participate.
- direwolf20 9mo agoHacker News is Social Media
- coldtea 9mo agoBarely. It's like saying "don't do drugs" (thinking of heroin, meth, coke and that sort) and someone else says "caffeine is a drug too".
- scarecrowbob 9mo agoMore like "alcohol is a drug".
- direwolf20 9mo agoand alcohol is worse for you than several illegal drugs
- halJordan 9mo agoAre we really taking the position that alcohol precipitated crimes are not a thing? If you take that position it's because DV and drunk driving are so normalized in this country that you don't even consider them heinous anymore. SAS, but understandable
- scarecrowbob 9mo agoMy point is that HN is, in fact, social media. HN may be more normalized, in the way that alcohol is more normal than meth in my circles. And folks my find HN to be more "useful", in the sense that I find being able to have a drink and socialize useful but don't feel the same way about casual adderall usage. Unlike caffeine, however, (and this is the point I am responding to), I don't think that the HN is any -less- social media. Caffeine is indeed a drug but has relatively (to alcohol) minor effects, especially looking at the longer-term differences- that's the point of the parent post. I think that, like most of the social drinkers I know, the users of HN don't feel like there's anything abusive about how they are using it. I also see folks who are definitely getting their social media fix off the site.
- b00ty4breakfast 9mo agothe solution to this is very obvious, but I know some folks won't cease using the product. It's sort've cliche at this point but we got the worst of both Orwell and Huxley in that our super-invasive surveillance apparatus is also a super-addictive apparatus designed to hit all our evolutionary buttons like a slot machine.
- Refreeze5224 9mo agoWhat is the solution? You imply that it is just to quit using it, but then you mention how super-addictive social media and especially TikTok is. Which it is, by design, by very smart people who very intentionally exploit every aspect of human psychology they can, for profit. I don't blame the victims of social media, I blame the architects of it. To me it's clear that social media does more harm than good, and is only useful to generate ad revenue, which to me is also clearly more harm than good, and should all be nuked from orbit.
- sejje 9mo agoJust use another platform if you can't quit cold-turkey. But yeah, the solution is to not let them collect data about you.
- direwolf20 9mo agoWhich one — YouTube shorts?
- krapp 9mo agoSocial media is addictive, but Hacker News overplays how addictive it is. Most of what keeps people on it isn't heroin-like dependence but convenience and habit.
- direwolf20 9mo agoConvenience of what? What goal is achieved most efficiently by using social media?
- wileydragonfly 9mo agoI played with TikTok for a week or so. Every time I opened it, it was suggesting feeds featuring clearly mentally impaired people with large audiences throwing money at them for saying their name. It felt like a very concerted effort to dumb down the American population. You wouldn’t listen to these people for 10 seconds out in public. The fetal alcohol syndrome phenotype was widespread. The entire experience was disturbing, to be honest.
- coldtea 9mo agoMaybe it's just you. To me it shows totally different stuff, equally stupid, by default (e.g. if I go with a new account), but easily changeable with very little targeted watching (it picks your interests quite fast)
- gerdesj 9mo agoI'm not a fan either (and don't bother with it) but TikTok and co try to prey on your ... sorry try to show you stuff that they think you want to see, indexed on advert spend and a few other factors that will maximise advert spend return. That is their entire raison d'etre. So, why on earth are they displaying stuff that you say is disturbing? There is no profit in that and TikTok is all about profit, ideally from abroad, ie market share. I'm sure that the American population is incapable of being dumbed down any further. Log a bug.
- jasonlotito 9mo agoThe fairly accurate joke is that the algorithm is really just telling on yourself. > it was suggesting feeds featuring clearly mentally impaired people with large audiences throwing money at them for saying their name I've never seen that. I saw D&D content and discussions about gamedev. The feed is what you make of it, and TikTok's very famous algorithm shows you what you signal you will watch. Feel free to disagree, and maybe you are the very rare exception, but you watched that stuff for a week or so, and I have no idea what you are referring to.
- scarecrowbob 9mo agoI mean, I mostly see folks painting warhammer minifigs and bipoc communists. I suspect that feed is mostly what I look for and enjoy about it.
- oefrha 9mo ago> TikTok USDS Joint Venture LLC First instinct is USDS stands for usds.gov and it literally turned into nationalized social media. Upon further research USDS is apparently short for U.S. Data Security. WTF is with this naming. Imagine TikTok DHS (Digital High School) JV.
- concinds 9mo agoWired is inappropriately US-centric. This is "TikTok US", not TikTok.
- mindcrash 9mo agoTo be more precise: TikTok in the US is now collecting more data about its users. TikTok across Europe and Asia is still run by TikTok Pte Ltd, the ByteDance subsidiary in Singapore, under the old EULA.