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hi, phil here — post on adafruit here: https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/01/12/discontinuing-the-teensy-at-adafruit/ https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/01/12/discontin
by ptorrone 9mo ago
hi, phil here — post on adafruit here:
https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/01/12/discontinuing-the-teensy-at-adafruit/ https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/01/12/discontinuing-the-teens...
i’ll stop back and answer anything (sparkfun will not?).
sparkfun is the exclusive maker and distributor of the closed-source teensy and informed us we will not be able to purchase the teensy. this happened after i sent an email reporting the founder, nate, for multiple harassing actions directed at limor, including behavior by him and a former employee.
instead of addressing that, they decided to kill the messenger, me, and also cut us off from teensy.
so! instead of posting weirdo "code of conduct" letters, we are doing an open-source alternative. so customers are not stranded, and this is not a supply chain emergency for us. looking forward to seeing which one delights customers more.
as much as nate wants to continue trying to damage limor’s business and adafruit by scraping our site, and now potentially not paying royalties owed after more than a decade of consistent payments, that’s nothing new. it’s a business strategy to cut others out, not a mystery or a “private drama.”
this is exactly why we do open source. when a closed product or exclusive channel is used as leverage, the correct response is to remove the leverage.
sparkfun chose to publish a vague public accusation. once you do that, speculation is inevitable.
ask away!
- swed420 9mo agoWouldn't be the first time CoC was used as a lame attempt to harm open source. Thanks for speaking up.
- allreduce 9mo agoI find it weird to jump to this from the scarce information we have. "Someone did a CoC violation" is just a way for an org to say "someone was an asshole to such an extent it was driving other people away or getting us into legal trouble", with the manner of assholery defined in the CoC. 9/10 times it is nothing sinister. Of course right now we just don't know what happened.
- jacquesm 9mo agoThe one thing I know is that for threads such as this one it is best to ignore all of the stuff from accounts made just for the purpose of participating in the thread.
- xyzzyxy 9mo agoIn this case, given the topic of this thread is targeted harassment in response to public social media criticism, I think it's understandable that some folks might like to participate anonymously to avoid becoming a future target.
- jajuuka 9mo agoYou are by far the least subtle sock puppet account.
- vasco 9mo agoNonsense, if you feel strongly about the subject comment in your main account. Otherwise this is just taken as "oh the guys are arguing through side accounts now". Also this is not some russian mafia drug deal gone wrong, it's nerds disagreeing on the internet.
- grugagag 9mo agoAre you HR or something?
- allreduce 9mo agoNah but I recognize that HR, unfortunately, has to exist for larger organizations. Unless you have an infinitely wise and patient dictator who can just say "you're an asshole, you go" and always make the right call or something.
- swed420 9mo ago> I find it weird to jump to this from the scarce information we have. If you look at how I worded my comment, you'll see I didn't jump to any conclusion. Only you have, apparently. (edit: Also unsurprising to see your account is two days old)
- MaKey 9mo agoOverall I think Code of Conducts are a net negative. Alleged violations of them seem to be used to lend credibility to actions that otherwise would be hard(er) to justify.
- calvinmorrison 9mo agoThis is nothing to do with Code of Conduct and just one business chosing not to do business with another.
- micromacrofoot 9mo agoThis is like saying "overall laws are bad" because whoever is applying them is doing so maliciously. Even in the absence of COC companies like this always find a way to justify this sort of pressure. If not a COC, it's a TOS or NDA or whatever document acronym you can find.
- mikkupikku 9mo agoNobody would accept the rule of law if we didn't all know the alternative was the local bullies with the most friends and guns declaring themselves warlords and selling your family into slavery. An open source project without a CoC on the other hand is quite normal and harmless. Maybe some people sometimes get their feelings hurt, but CoCs obviously don't prevent that anyway. The whole thing is dumb.
- tpmoney 9mo agoI would argue that laws are “bad” if there’s no way to get a proper hearing when you’re accused of violating them. Laws should constrain both sides of the law (the person subject to them and the person enforcing them) otherwise they’re just arbitrary rules by the person with more power. And while that’s a perfectly valid way to run something, it’s dishonest to dress “arbitrary personal decisions” up in the trappings of law. And realistically that applies to all the things you listed, COC, NDA, TOS etc. But if someone can just drag out a law and vaguely accuse someone else of violating that law and then enforce a punishment with no way for the accused to get a hearing or present their case and have a real chance to prevail, then yes I would say the law is bad.
- Y_Y 9mo agoHave you also been embargoed from buying shift keys?
- reincarnate0x14 9mo agoI laughed way too hard at this. Also, I can't even read some of these statements with a straight face because all the project and company names sound completely ridiculous when placed in serious sentences, it's like reading about embezzlement charges for Sesame Street characters.
- frereubu 9mo agoI needed a good laugh today and "reading about embezzlement charges for Sesame Street characters" gave me it, so: thanks!
- kevin_thibedeau 9mo agoLevar Burton did get into some hot water over the Reading Rainbow app.
- reincarnate0x14 9mo agoHah, really? He's a treasure, met him a few times at poetry readings and such. A quick search isn't bringing anything up but google has been failing me a lot lately. Or I'm failing at google a lot lately.
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- mey 9mo agoOr Google is failing you lately. Seems like it's not a recent event, which Google is also REALLY bad at these days. https://current.org/2016/03/wned-and-rrkidz-trade-lawsuits-over-reading-rainbow-licensing/ https://current.org/2016/03/wned-and-rrkidz-trade-lawsuits-o...
- cramcgrab 9mo ago[dead]
- phkahler 9mo agoNo questions. Just move on. Engaging in public spectacle isn't a good look for anyone.
- freedomben 9mo agoThat's normally good advice, but this is a small enough niche that trust-in-brand matters a great deal. Right now AdaFruit is looking like the villain here. I think a little more transparency from them is a very good thing if they don't want to suffer massive brand damage. Definitely avoid ad hominems, and focus purely on facts. Provide what information/evidence you can without violating agreements, but only if it's relevant to the situation and includes as much context as possible.
- knorker 9mo agoNo in this case addressing the accusation is necessary. I think what's currently been said is sufficient. You need to make a grown up version of the statement "None of that is true", but yes probably best to leave it at that. Honestly, this being Adafruit, my default assumption is to believe them. Especially with this super vague "please read between the lines because if I actually say something false it'll be libel" accusation.
- napkinartist 9mo agoThis post is not a good look. You come off as quite snide. In particular, things like "Sparkfun will not?", calling a CoC concern a weirdo behavior, responding to harassment allegations by saying the did it first. This seems very much like two businesses experiencing friction and separating, which happens all the time. You coming in and framing the flames makes doesn't scan particularly positively to me.
- withinboredom 9mo agoWhy do I need to prove I'm human to read your blog?
- tyre 9mo agoBecause AI scraping is everywhere and flooding sites with useless traffic. It’s not ideal, but it’s the best people can do atm
- embedding-shape 9mo agoWhat kind of blog gets flooded by what, 10/100 req/s at max? Seems somewhere along the line we forgot how to deploy and run infrastructure on the internet, if some basic scrapers manage to down your website.
- duskdozer 9mo agoI have a disconnect here too, which makes it feel like I'm missing something. I'm hit so often with very onerous captcha-like demands or just blocked entirely when trying to make a single page or login request. I understand restrictions for rate limiting and things, but at this rate it feels like it's only a matter of time before the whole web is behind voluntary ID-scan requests for "security" even if laws never come to pass.
- systemtest 9mo ago"It's not ideal" is an understatement, I have to do stupid captchas for about half my Google searches.
- systemtest 9mo agoBecause of enshitification of the internet you now need to solve puzzles before you can access websites. Welcome to 2026.
- Bjartr 9mo agoCan't speak specifically for this site, but these days many prove-you're-human tests have been added because of overzealous AI scraping eating server resources unnecessarily and to an unreasonable and excessive degree.
- BirAdam 9mo agoGlad to hear that there will by an open source option. This honestly makes the Teensy/Freensy an option for me where before it wasn't. Is there any thought to expanding the Freensy lineup beyond a pure clone?
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- _blk 9mo agoLooks like you guys are handling it right from a consumer standpoint. Thanks for letting us know and for not playing the fingerpointing game in public. Looks like you're not playing at all and just moving on. Nice.
- napkinartist 9mo agoThe post you are replying to literally is playing the finger pointing game. They level accusations right back at spark fun. I have zero skin in this game, and personally think the right move is for Adafruit to simply say, "We wish Sparkfun the best of luck" and move on, but the post you are responding to is clearly looking for a public fight.
- PurpleRamen 9mo ago> "We wish Sparkfun the best of luck" This would mean admitting the allegations are 100% true and harming their business even more with the risk of losing it all in worst case. Now we can assume it's not as simple as SparkFun makes it. It's a dirty situation, but necessary, and justified if they are really a victim. > but the post you are responding to is clearly looking for a public fight. SparkFun started the war, AdaFruit seem to only defend here.
- napkinartist 9mo ago[dead]
- BigTTYGothGF 9mo ago> This would mean admitting the allegations are 100% true I don't see why this would be the case at all.
- stickfigure 9mo agoNo bone in this fight, but in this day and age, when someone levels an accusation of unspecified "code of conduct violation", I automatically think "oh, geez another sex pest". And of course start reading because I can't resist tabloid gossip either. Some amount of defense is appropriate just to clear the air. Maybe this has gone too far, but hey, we're all still reading. I don't even know what a Teensy is.
- 827a 9mo agoIf it means anything, the first thought I had reading this post was "I wonder how SparkFun is exaggerating or misrepresenting this situation, because I can't believe Adafruit of all organizations is in the wrong here."
- Dangeranger 9mo agoSee additional context for the accusation(s) here[0]. [0] https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-compatible-what-features-do-you-want.77584/page-2#post-364465 https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-...
- sergiotapia 9mo agostill vague as hell lol
- oytis 9mo agoI need to see the photoshops!
- no-dr-onboard 9mo ago> sparkfun chose to publish a vague public accusation. once you do that, speculation is inevitable. Ok sure, but the explanation provided strikes me as equally vague. I don't think anyone who isn't familiar with this situation has any idea what the hell is going on between these two orgs tbh. If a dispassionate observer can't figure out situation without significant effort, then it's very easy to handwave this away as unimportant. Personally I'd very much hate for that to happen here if something truly noteworthy happened.
- butlike 9mo agoThe problem is once you get into concrete specifics, you enter the realm of legal liability and potential libel, so it's all posturing until their adrenaline runs out, then they'll either reconcile (or not) behind closed doors.
- serf 9mo ago>so! instead of posting weirdo "code of conduct" letters.. one corporate side overshares by pointing fingers and accusing a different corporation... so that corporation decides to be the better person, declare the opponent as weirdos, then proceed to point fingers at individuals instead for collective action from the public. nice look, both groups.
- vasco 9mo agoYeah if it were me I'd just stop selling the stuff. You don't a justification to choose your partners.
- rockskon 9mo agoAdafruit is in the wrong for not advocating for collective action from the public? I do not understand what exactly your argument is there.
- colechristensen 9mo agoThis is the tiny corporate version of a teenage girl posting a long content free rant about being betrayed by friends. All I see is bickering children and I like both less as a result. I don't really care who is more right.
- PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago>betrayed This is the big deal. Don't think of it as petty. From nations to individuals, betrayal destroys built trust and changes the landscape. Even Kissinger admits that Trust can maintain an anarchic/international order until the trust is broken. This is why I'm am a realist, power is more important than Trust, and when you need Trust, use verification mechanisms. This idea is technically an 'Information Hazard' because it causes arms races and costs everyone more resources.
- colechristensen 9mo agoUh, I'm saying these people are acting with the emotional maturity of children. You might be right that it seems like world politics but only in the way that world politics are very often driven by people with the emotional development, ego, and maturity of 12 year olds.
- JKCalhoun 9mo agoTrying to parse as I am not in the know. Nate is Nate Seidle, CEO of SparkFun Electronics? I know SparkFun recently took over Paul Stoffregen and Robin Coon's Teensy production (I reached out at the time and Paul said it was cool). I'm guessing Adafruit got a special deal in purchasing Teensy's from SparkFun but because of an allegation made by you against Nate, they are responding by dropping your entire product line? Anyway, good luck to everyone involved. It's a small community of companies that provide for makers.
- PunchyHamster 9mo agoI have feeling it will only hurt PJRC in the end for trusting sparkfun to sell and manage the teensy "brand"
- alnwlsn 9mo agoCan't say I blame them though. Paul and Robin are two people. Sparkfun (and Adafruit) are massive by comparison and have big stores that sell the same sort of stuff in much higher volume. The Teensys are popular. Sparkfun does (or at least used to do) board assembly in-house. It seems like a perfect match on paper.
- schappim 9mo agoPaul and Robin were awesome to work with and it was disappointing to see them stop handling their own distribution, but I totally understand the desire to move away from even just the mental overhead involved.
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo agoI am completely out of loop here. I think I may have heard about adafruit once. Your comment seemed the most information to me (and thank you for that) but can you please sum up the whole controversy from what allegations were made and everything because I was sensing that adafruit was in the right earlier but (now I am not?) I feel like I would benefit a lot if you can tell me the whole controversy if possible. Thanks in advance!
- aftbit 9mo agoOh boy, just what we need. Drama between open hardware vendors. Neither of these responses feels like the complete story to me. I hope there's a path forward to heal this rift in one way or another. Both SparkFun and Adafruit are doing amazing things for the community and I would love to see both continue to thrive.
- beambot 9mo agoSeems to be the inevitable trend... Just in recent times: Pebble drama, Arduino joining the dark side, now Sparkfun & Adafruit. End of an era
- ptorrone 9mo agowe are sticking with open source, arduino has moved away from that and sparkfun has an open-source certification revoked due to not being open source.
- qingcharles 9mo agoWhat's the drama with Pebble? I thought everything was rosy since the reboot?
- itintheory 9mo agoThere was conflict between the new (old) hardware manufacturer Core Devices, and the Rebble community that's maintained the app store and software for the original Pebbles. I think they've worked it out, but it got ugly for a bit.
- PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago> Arduino joining the dark side What happened?
- cyxxon 9mo agoNow owned by Qualcomm, not exactly know for their open source friendly attitude.
- csande17 9mo agoAppreciate the transparency! The one thing that doesn't quite add up for me is SparkFun accusing you of "involving a SparkFun customer" in the dispute. Can you comment on what that might be referring to?
- mort96 9mo agoThis needs a response, and my opinion will certainly be up in the air until I hear an explanation (or lack thereof) from AdaFruit.
- RA2lover 9mo agoprobably mentioning on PJRC's forum they're making their own teensy compatible because sparkfun(Under contract by PJRC as the exclusive teensy manufacturer) cut them off. https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-compatible-what-features-do-you-want.77584/#post-364425 https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-...
- dec0dedab0de 9mo agoDo you have a response/explanation for the two specific accusations about forwarding inappropriate emails to sparkfun employees, and involving a customer with something? Those seem extremely vague, but I didn't see them mentioned in the blog post.
- csande17 9mo agoIt would be deeply funny if SparkFun was referring to Adafruit forwarding inappropriate emails written by SparkFun employees to SparkFun, in an attempt to report their harassment.
- no-dr-onboard 9mo agoYeah this is how I read it as well.
- PurpleRamen 9mo agoThat is exactly how I understand it at the moment. And depending on the material, it would be a somewhat valid complaint, if the report included the material without prior warning. Though, not valid enough to call CoC on this, IMHO.
- awakeasleep 9mo agoIt would only be at all valid if it was forwarded to employees who weren’t in a customer facing role. Saying that you’re required to give a content warning to an account manager for material related to your business relationship puts the burden of responsibility onto the victim. Dealing with the psychological impact is the responsibility of their employer, not the customer.
- PurpleRamen 9mo agoNo, even in a customer-facing role, you won't have to put up with every s**. I mean, it's a business for electronics, not a porn-shop or moderation for explicit material at some social media-platform. There should be a line on what they have to tolerate.
- aaronblohowiak 9mo agoWhat’s the deal with 5v, 3.3v and 24v “standards” for sensors? It seems like there are really three different markets and it sucks because crossing “lanes” is really annoying. I like how you all made the qwik connectors “just work”, but now that I’m trying more industrial stuff I’m having a hard time figuring out how to get my 24v world to play nicely with the 3.3v world but of course my 24v world only wants to do SPI over 5v. Anyhoo, sorry we can’t just stick to the technical drama.
- mschuster91 9mo ago> What’s the deal with 5v, 3.3v and 24v “standards” for sensors? Historical garbage and different manufacturing technologies. Be happy if you can get away with only 5V and 3V3 rails in your project. 24V is usually to interface with industrial sensors. And sometimes you see 12V as well, for stuff that's RS232 based. And on top of that you got a fifth standard, 4..20 mA current loops. That one is used for long range transmission of analog values of a single sensor per wire pair, with 4-20 mA being seen as the value (4 mA = 0%, 20 mA = 100%), and anything less being seen as a cable break, anything higher as a short circuit somewhere.
- mmmlinux 9mo agodon't forget 0-10v and 2-10v analog signals.
- HeyLaughingBoy 9mo agoNever used 2-10V but I learned about 0-10V when someone approached me to design a device to input 0-10V position signal and output two phase-shifted sinusoids to retrofit to a controller that only took resolver inputs. We shipped a couple dozen of them to repair broken machine tools. Fun project, but not going to get rich from it! I'm guessing that the 2-10V is to detect line break conditions?
- gmueckl 9mo ago4 to 20mA signaling is only the start of a very specific rabbit hole. Someone had the brilliant idea to encode digital signals on top of the analog current loop. The result is the HART communication protocol, which is old, bloated, confusing, quirky - and it is really popular in industrial automation.
- alnwlsn 9mo agoWhy is your "open source Teensy" [0] just an RP2350 on a Teensy shaped board? In my book, what makes a Teensy a Teensy is 1) hardware support, like 600Mhz clock, CAN, FPU, RTC, other hardware peripherals which the RP2350 lacks and 2) software compatibility with Paul Stoffregen's well documented Teensyduino libraries. I would not buy something else if I needed these features. Do you plan to do a port? Why not build around the same IMXRT1062? Are you barred from buying Paul's bootloader chips [1]? [0] https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-compatible-what-features-do-you-want.77584/ https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/open-source-teensy-... [1] https://www.pjrc.com/store/ic_mkl02_t4.html https://www.pjrc.com/store/ic_mkl02_t4.html
- rafram 9mo agoIt looks like it's just a set of bullet points on a forum thread, not anything like a final design, so go post that comment there.
- ptorrone 9mo agohi, great question. we have to start with something and while the RP2350 is not going to beat a 600mhz m7 it is much less expensive, fast to get, has lots of nifty support libraries available, and will definitely do better than the teensy 3.2 which many folks loved so much (and was discontinued during the chip shortage). this is also a great time to add things that we always wanted in the teensy: SWD debug, built in 8 MB storage, lipoly battery charging, open source bootloader, open hardware design. stuff like CAN is supported via PIO (https://github.com/KevinOConnor/can2040 https://github.com/KevinOConnor/can2040), as is USB host on any two adjacent pins. M33 has FPU, and the dormant/RTC mode for the RP2350 is 10uA (see https://www.tomshardware.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico/whats-inside-the-raspberry-pi-pico-2s-rp2350 https://www.tomshardware.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-pico/...). other 'teensiriffic' things like NeoPixel DMA support is well supported by PIO on the RP2350. as well as I2S audio. as for the bootloader chip: we don't want to trade one closed-single-source component for another. if we're going to make something it should be fully open source as much as we can! finally, for teensyduino libraries that you love: there's no reason they cant be ported (we did an audio port for the samd51) - which specific library are you referring to?
- mmmlinux 9mo agoI thought the Teensys were made by PJRC. and they seem to list a number of US distributors on their website still. (including adafruit)
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- aobdev 9mo agoI understand selling the Teensy line is out of your control, but what does “support” mean exactly in this context? Will related materials stay on your site? I really hope this doesn’t lead to “boycott” of Teensy per se. I completely sympathize with tensions running high but please reconsider for the good of the community.
- bityard 9mo agoDocumentation yes, but also Adafruit has very active support forums where customers can ask questions which get answered either by the community, or Adafruit employees, or both.
- aobdev 9mo agoIf that's what they're referring to, then my question is why does that need to end?
- bityard 9mo agoSorry, I misunderstood Adafruit's position and therefore your question. It's weird that they would stop supporting anything they sold, even if they now want nothing to do with it. (They still have five forums for x0xb0x for pete's sake.) I guess they are trying to make a clean break and want to pour all resources into Freensy.
- vultour 9mo agoI'm not sure I can trust someone who seems completely oblivious to capital letters.
- axus 9mo agoLinks to "hate sites, photoshopped images, and harassment"?
- adolph 9mo agoWhat are the impacts if any to the Stemma QT and Quiic ecosystems?
- iancmceachern 9mo agoI am a lifelong Sparkfun and Adafruit customer, I grew up and went to engineering school just down the street from Sparkfun. This event will cause me to no longer be a Sparkfun customer. There is no one that I have more respect for in this world than limor. She has done more for this industry, education and open source than anyone alive.
- itomato 9mo agothere would be no limor without nate. fact.
- iancmceachern 9mo agoThat makes his conduct is even worse
- huslage 9mo agoThat is a ridiculous statement.
- itomato 9mo agowithout Sparkfun, whose catalog could they have scraped? Without Sparkfun developing the business model for them to copy, where would they be?
- iancmceachern 9mo agoYou mean the radio shack business model? The Heathkit business model? The Eico business model? Jameco? Digikey?
- itomato 9mo agoyou wouldn't know of them if they had emulated any of those.
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- xyzzyxy 9mo agoHi phil, appreciate the supposed candor here. I'm just an uninvolved HN observer interested in piecing together all the details of this dispute, here are some follow-up questions: - The first public claim is that you engaged in targeted social-media harassment of an individual ('discatte') [1], linking various personally-identifiable information to their public profile without consent (name, email and gmail profile pic), and further intentionally misgendering/dead-naming them after being made aware that this was harmful. Do you have any sort of public response to these claims, denying or apologizing for this behavior? - The second public claim is that the email report you sent to Sparkfun [2] was not simply a 'report' of harassing actions, but itself crossed the line into further harassing behavior ('hi jerks', 'you monsters', etc). Did you really, as claimed, copy the former employee's fiancee's current employer in these email threads as well? Any other context on why this unrelated employer needed to be brought into your dispute? - Not only SparkFun, but it appears you were also banned from Fossoton [3] for CoC violations related to the dispute with discatte, correct? Any other context on this ban? - It appears that you also sent another user harassing messages to their Etsy account [4] after objecting to your 'doxxing' of discatte's personal information and blocking you elsewhere, and they reported to you Etsy's trust and safety team. Any other context on this separate incident of alleged harassment? [1] https://digipres.club/@discatte/115600253924804026 https://digipres.club/@discatte/115600253924804026 [2] https://gist.github.com/NPoole/df0ec196ac1db7e6eecfd2496b9b49ae https://gist.github.com/NPoole/df0ec196ac1db7e6eecfd2496b9b4... [3] https://gist.github.com/NPoole/8e128edb6e32986755450da9285b58a7 https://gist.github.com/NPoole/8e128edb6e32986755450da9285b5... [4] https://chaos.social/@gsuberland/115599931317645220 https://chaos.social/@gsuberland/115599931317645220
- ptorrone 9mo agouser: xyzzyxy created: 2 hours ago ... ok, so you created it for this... the individual you reference had already been removed from multiple retro and maker communities prior to this dispute for documented behavior. i contacted them privately using an email address they themselves used on the site they used, specifically to ask for a stop to the pile-on and to see whether there was a constructive way to resolve their grievance. their email included their first name, which i used in direct reply. there was no campaign, no public exposure of private information, and no intent to harm. labeling that interaction as “doxxing” is a distortion that collapses any private contact into wrongdoing. with respect to sparkfun, yes, i sent a direct email to the founder, and ceo (and contacts i have there) calling out what i believe is a long-standing bully culture tolerated at the top. calling a company out for behavior is not harassment, even when the language is blunt. during this same period, fake accounts using my handle appeared and mass-reporting was clearly underway. my real account was likely caught up in that. retroactively attributing moderation actions for saying their first name on their email is inaccurate. the various bans you cite did not occur after some calm, independent review of facts. they occurred in the middle of coordinated reporting, they said so. as for etsy, i asked a seller who was publicly accusing me of “doxxing” a question: would placing an order would expose my personal information? that was it, there was a sticker in my cart already, i know this maker's work. etsy declined to take action that i know of, i just an etsy order, no ban (i did not buy the stickers). recharacterizing that as harassment is another example of inflation through repetition. what your summary consistently excludes is the long, documented history of nate’s behavior and the impact it has had on employees, collaborators, and partners over many years. i dealt with that for a decade. i am not doing that anymore. drawing a line cost us purchasing a closed source board that only sparkfun makes, so we're doing an open source version.
- doktor2un 9mo agoPost the emails
- kazinator 9mo ago> We are now working on an open-source, Teensy-compatible board. Yeah, right; the PCB art work looks in rather an advanced state of completion that has been in the works for a while due to the proverbial writing being on the wall. More like, we have now given a brighter green light to our ongoing in-house project to eliminate the supply risk coming from Sparkfun, now that the shit has hit the fan ...
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- LeafItAlone 9mo agoI really wish your comment also had some capitalization and punctuation so it was easier to parse. Even ChatGPT had different interpretations. But PT (sorry, I guess it’s stylized, pt) has written like this for years, long before the recent LLM-based AI revolution (maybe given his position in the tech community he had much earlier insight into what the machines want). It has been one of the reasons his messages always seem aggressive, IMO.
- 0_____0 9mo agothis is a really obnoxious direction to take the conversation. I didnt even notice his comment was in all lowercase until someone pointed it out.
- LeafItAlone 9mo agoI wish I could read like you then because it’s distracting to me, and clearly many others, when people write like that.
- neilv 9mo ago@ptorrone, the forum drama is hard to follow, and maybe a little upset or sleep-deprived. The blog post is OK (though maybe consider dropping the "We were informed...", and the addendum about "trying to drag"), but doesn't explain the forum drama about context. In a skim of the forum, I saw only insufficient references to a context of problems and maybe improper behavior, scattered around. I couldn't get a good read on the context, after trying for longer than I think most people will. If the company would like to explain more about the context, would it make sense to take a deep breath, and sit down with a PR advisor or lawyer, to figure out exactly what you want to say, and how? Do it very carefully, so you only have to do it once? Or would the company like to drop the matter of that context, and move on, even though that would leave the confusing forum messages? (Disclosure: Limor is a friend from our earlier hacker/MIT days, but I've not discussed this matter with her.)
- shrubble 9mo agoCan you design with the STM32N657 at a good price point? 800mhz, maybe faster than the Teensy 4.1?
- Kevcmk 9mo agoI live and DIE FOR ADAFRUIT Seems plain that the PR Release was crafted with intent
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- nickdurfe 9mo agoIt's not difficult for me at all; I can understand it quite well.
- vultour 9mo agoIt's funny because he tried to excuse it in another comment by saying he's using speech-to-text. I really don't understand what this lie was supposed to accomplish since he seems to be the only person using a STT system incapable of proper capitalisation.
- hettygreen 9mo agoHi Phil, sorry to hear that something went down and involved Limor... that's not cool. A few Q's: 1. Will the freenzy be a 100% drop-in replacement for the teensy? 2. Will the freenzy be able to be programmed using teensyduino? 3. PJRC's bootloader is closed-source (I know, I've built 1000 Teensy-LC's after the product's discontinuation). Does that mean you're sourcing bootloaders from PJRC or reverse engineering the bootloader chip? Opinion 1: If I can't take code written for a Teensy and upload it straight to the Freenzy, then this is not "Teensy Compatible". Likewise if the pinout is not the same, including all of the rear pcb-pads. Opinion 2: If this is not actually Teensy Compatible, but just "Teensy Inspired", what about branding this as adafruit's own microcontroller and not cut into Paul and Robin's income by selling a totally different product that rides on their name recognition and decade of work?
- uyzstvqs 9mo agoGood response, but why did you toLowerCase() it? It looks unprofessional.
- itomato 9mo agoyou just called out nate, which is the thing he specifically won't do to you, phil. you have scraped sparkfun.com plenty. I know, I've seen the server logs. regardless, there is no longer private drama.
- Teknomadix 9mo agoTeensy's closed bootloader, USB stack, hardware design are what is proprietary. But the toolchain is open. Eg: I can use PlatformIO, etc. From my perspective an open alternative would splinter the community rather than replace it. Developers value Teensy's polish & consistency (PAnd this is Paul Stoffregen's discipline). If you endeavor to follow this path, you'd see adoption from transparency advocates and research/security-focused devs, but pragmatists like myself would stick with what works and what's affordable. Your real problem is replicating that engineering rigor in an open-source project, is a lot harder than it looks. Let me give an example; STM32 is more open but shows us exactly what fragmentation looks like without unified vision.
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- ptorrone 9mo agoa follow up, sparkfun seems to still be doing business with while not doing business, "This message is to formally confirm that SparkFun Electronics intends to issue applicable royalty payment for Q4 2025 no later than January 31, 2026, in accordance with previously established timelines." i get it, they want to keep selling those products. this was probably about money and margins.
- tpmoney 9mo ago> a follow up, sparkfun seems to still be doing business with while not doing business, The linked website indicates this decision was made on or around Jan 7. Your own liked page is dated for the 12. Unless you’re asserting that the decision was made and effective before Q4 2025, this sounds like them putting in writing that they intend to follow through on preexisting contractual obligations for prior sales. Not really “doing business with while not doing business” IMO.