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Anna's Archive loses .org domain after surprise suspension
- delis-thumbs-7e 9mo agohttps://annas-archive.se/ https://annas-archive.se/ Works still
- andrepd 9mo agohttps://open-slum.org/ https://open-slum.org/
- rockostrich 9mo agoSeems like SLUM is down.
- squigz 9mo agoJust the HN hug of death. Here's another https://open-slum.pages.dev/ https://open-slum.pages.dev/
- regenschutz 9mo agoWhy does SLUM say that all the Z-Library links are dead? They work perfectly fine for me?
- dmm 9mo ago> We recommend checking our Wikipedia page for the latest domains. I wonder how wikipedia feels being used as DNS? EDIT: Apparently this is a well known practice. Some interesting discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40008383 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40008383
- miroljub 9mo agoAnna Archive is a notable project. Wikipedia displays links to projects. It's not about "being used as DNS" but about providing basic info about the topic, URL being an important part of it.
- blell 9mo agoKiwifarms is also a notable web site but they do not show a link to it. This means there is editorialisation going on.
- miroljub 9mo agoThat's a common problem of English, German, and a few more Wikipedia editor gangs seeing themselves as the moral guardians of the internet. If you switch to some other languages, you'll find the links.
- gpm 9mo agoHaving a sense of morality is not a problem. Good for them.
- schmuckonwheels 9mo ago[flagged]
- taco_emoji 9mo agoSo I guess your implication is that a catalog of sex acts is somehow immoral?
- schmuckonwheels 9mo ago[flagged]
- gpm 9mo agoYour point is that... Wikpedia editors choice to have articles about sex acts is morally inconsistent with a choice not to have direct links to a site a based around harassing, stalking, doxing, etc that has been directly tied to multiple suicides? I don't see the connection frankly. PS. English Wikipedia also does not appear to have an "Anal Creampie" article, let alone one with an animation.
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- ectospheno 9mo agohttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_DNS https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_DNS Can’t imagine they care too much given they themselves also run public dns servers.
- turblety 9mo agoSeems like great publicity for Anna's Archive. I've heard an increasing amount about Anna's Archive over the last 12 months. It has popped up a lot. I wonder if they've seen their traffic spike a lot.
- hirako2000 9mo agoI also discovered it via one of the blocking controversies. The attacked is weaponized for discovery. karma at its best.
- intheitmines 9mo agosee streisand effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
- LightBug1 9mo agoAgreed. I'd never heard of it. Now I'll be checking it out with a view to supporting it.
- AstroNutt 9mo agoDefinitely. I never knew about it. Now it's bookmarked.
- anthk 9mo agoThey could always use Yggdrasil.
- flipped 9mo agoI have no clue why you're getting downvoted but ygg is a solid option but it would overwhelm the network since AA has intense traffic.
- anthk 9mo agoIPFS then. It's just static content, so it has sense to be distributed between nodes. Not under ygg of course. On the YGG network, I've used streaming without many issues, plus BT. And people have been even gaming over YGG. Altough they could use YGG for a static address and then just use IPFS for the data but outside of YGG.
- flipped 9mo agoI like IPFS but decentralized storage is just awfully expensive to maintain without any reward. Main IPFS mirrors don't tolerate AA content, it's taken down very quickly.
- mystraline 9mo agoAnd also IPFS rats our to the whole world all your network interfaces, MAC addresses, and internal network configs. And even after multiple requests of supporting a Tor mode, have routinely ignored that with "but its too hard!" And, I quit running IPFS back in the .31 version after adding some chat logs to my local machine's share, and found a google crawler within 1 hour and fully indexed them. No thanks.
- flipped 9mo agoWhat? That's the laziest argument against IPFS. Bind it on one interface or just use a VM.
- Ycros 9mo agoyeah no shit, this is what happens when you agitate the major music record labels - it's going to get worse
- xandrius 9mo agoYep, let's accept the monstrous industries which lock down culture for money. I for one support their efforts. The same way we store seeds in vaults deep in the depths of the earth, we should do this for digital content too, and without retaliation from any specific industry.
- alex1138 9mo agoAgree with you and I'd also like to see more abuse by said companies punished They went after Pirate Bay by literally threatening trade war repercussions with Sweden which is far more destructive than any files downloaded
- hirako2000 9mo agoWhat would be better is solve the root problem. These (illegal, somewhat legitimate) hoarding sites are most valuable for research literature which, given the public funding nature of these things should not be gated to begin with. The comsequence of resolving the symptoms is that illegitimate use piggy back on it. Artistic literature that would legitimately deserve protection get hoarded as well. Sweating authors of clearly copyrightable arts, typically novels, manuals, are seeing their work accessed free of royalties. For the sake of freely distributing scientific literature. It makes it impossible to make then distinction given the legitimate utility is operating in a dark domain.
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- fragmede 9mo agoGitHub did it for source code. https://archiveprogram.github.com/arctic-vault/ https://archiveprogram.github.com/arctic-vault/
- xandrius 9mo agoAnd that's why helping torrenting and seeding the content of AA is vital: they can take down a domain name but not block everyone who seeds. I said this before but if you've got some spare GB/TB on a computer/server, consider "donating" it for culture preservation purposes:https://annas-archive.se/torre https://annas-archive.se/torre nts
- CommanderData 9mo agoLooking at mutable torrents recently and it's ability to circumvent censorship via DHT. I wonder if it could be revived. The only problem is the mutable torrents standard is in draft and not adopted widely. I think I saw someone proposing using DHT in a way that allows them to host websites. If feasible becomes very difficult to take down.
- haunter 9mo agoI wish I knew what I was seeding though And I don't mean the copyrighted part (I don't care about that) but the actual content which might be questionable
- IAmBroom 9mo agoYou literally download the items you are seeding. Just open them and see for yourself.
- hliyan 9mo agoIs this an abuse of the ServerHold status? Was this the same mechanism used to delist a Gaza video archive recently? > This status code is set by your domain's Registry Operator. Your domain is not activated in the DNS. > If you provided delegation information (name servers), this status may indicate an issue with your domain that needs resolution. If so, you should contact your registrar to request more information. If your domain does not have any issues, but you need it to resolve in the DNS, you must first contact your registrar in order to provide the necessary delegation information. https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-06-16-en#serverHold https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-...
- ishanjain28 9mo agoYes. Genocide.live is under clientHold status by namecheap and they are trying to transfer it out.
- TitaRusell 9mo agoThe genocide will not be televised! (A judge in the Netherlands settled the question if there is a genocide going on and since then we've been on Israels naughty list lol)
- jeroenhd 9mo agoI don't know much about the story or that site, but I can just open it from my end? Whois information also doesn't seem to show any special status.
- GordonS 9mo agoAfter publicly shaming NameCheap on Twitter, NameCheap backed down a little. They've still de-platformed genocide.live, but released the DNS name so the owner could transfer it out. IIRC, they are using a "free speech" provider in Estonia now.
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- sanskritical 9mo agoI recommend Anna's Archive get a Nostr account. Once they finally have a solid court order to seize domains, generally the rate at which they get seized accelerates greatly. Nostr is the only decentralized manner (no, Mastodon/fediverse is dependent on domain names, which are getting seized by courts in relation to this -- it is not decentralized at all when it comes down to it) that people can reliably use to have a latest content feed distributed. "Check Wikipedia to evade the court order" just encourages legal action against Wikipedia. Even linking to copyright violations is, under current court precedent, able to bring civil liability upon third parties. It is draconian and our framers would have considered it a clear First Amendment violation, but unfortunately the current jurisprudence says that is the law.
- tasuki 9mo agoTrying to understand nostr, I looked up its Wikipedia page... > In 2024, in an article reporting on the project's funding, Business Insider claimed to have identified fiatjaf, and had found two websites previously published by this person to disseminate the work of Olavo de Carvalho, a far-right conspiracy theorist. That... seems extremely irrelevant. If fiatjaf is contributing something useful and significant to the commons, why does it matter that he used to spread far-right conspiracy theories in the past? > As a result of its ability to quickly and discreetly create accounts and publish posts to relays, Nostr can propagate spam much more easily if left unchecked. A notable example includes a case where multiple protocol bridges have been used to conduct spam waves on the Bluesky social network (itself connected to a competing protocol, the AT Protocol) by creating posts on Nostr, bridging the post to ActivityPub and bridging it again to Bluesky. Surely they also had to create a Bluesky account for that? I don't see how Nostr is to blame here. Perhaps Bluesky forgot to use anti-spam measures when bridging things over from other sources? That's kind of on Bluesky, no? This reads like a smear campaign against Nostr. I don't think I have the necessary Wikipedia karma to get it amended, but gee do I have opinions on this...
- squigz 9mo agoYou don't need "karma" to edit Wikipedia.
- donohoe 9mo agoThere is nothing stopping anyone here from registering a new shiny .org domain (or any tld) and pointing it to Anna’s Archives name servers.
- 47282847 9mo agoExcept they are probably not set up to respond to new domain names and generate HTTPS certificates for them.
- pkal 9mo agoSome sites like Anna's Archive have .onion site for the Tor network, and others do not. Is there a considerable downside (DDOS?) to providing access to their site by those means?
- flipped 9mo agoI have seen Tor network take a hit when there's fight between darknet marketplaces. It's certainly an issue.
- m00dy 9mo agonot anymore. Most recent onion sites have enabled proof-of-work mechanism in place, so DDoS attacks are now expensive to carry out.
- flipped 9mo agoI am aware of POW but that hasn't stopped the DDoS. If you look at chart from few months back, there was significant hit due to crazy DDoS carried out by DrugHub which was evident in a Dread post.
- KingOfCoders 9mo agoI remember swapping lists of IP addresses of FTP servers ~1990 when there was no DNS/Domains in Germany working on the internet.
- qingcharles 9mo agoThere was very little DNS in the early days. I just had big notepads full of IPs next to the computer. Especially for the pirate sites.
- T3RMINATED 9mo ago[dead]
- luckys 9mo agohttps://annas-archive.li/ https://annas-archive.li/ works and there's a few alternatives listed at the bottom of the page
- OvbiousError 9mo agoDoesn't work where I live, is the block on a country level?
- Tepix 9mo agoTry using the DNS4EU resolver, see https://www.joindns4.eu/ https://www.joindns4.eu/
- doublerabbit 9mo agoBlocked here too and all alternatives.
- luckys 9mo agoI guess so, could also your provider. Have you tried accessing with a vpn?
- arowthway 9mo agoExcuse my FUD, but are they really non-profit as described in FAQ? I find it a little hard to believe given how aggressive they are at marketing the paid version.
- squigz 9mo agoThis kind of implies a legitimacy that AA just doesn't have. They're not 'a' non-profit, and there's simply no way to know that they're not taking in loads of money and pocketing it.
- chrisjj 9mo ago> They're not 'a' non-profit How do you know? > and there's simply no way to know that they're not taking in loads of money and pocketing it. Or that they are, right?
- tokai 9mo agoThey are not a non-profit because they are not a registered company/organization.
- chrisjj 9mo agoThere is no requirement for a non-profit organisation to be registered.
- tokai 9mo agoThere is. Without a legal framework its just an association that claims not to make a profit. This is all word games though as be clearly don't agree on the definition of a non-profit organization.
- chrisjj 9mo ago> There is. No. In UK, many an unregistered association is a non-profit e.g. sports clubs, volunteer groups, societies.
- WadeGrimridge 9mo agothey should've released the spotify dump anonymously
- m00dy 9mo agoso every .org domain is now subject to US law system ?
- reorder9695 9mo agoI always wonder why sites like Anna's Archive (and a lot of torrent tracker sites) don't provide .onion addresses. I imagine a significant proportion of their traffic comes from the Tor network, and onion addresses don't have this same weakness that regular DNS addresses have as they're just the key. I can't imagine if they have the servers already up and running, running an .onion address is that much more work considering the resilience it would add and it's existence may even encourage users to access through Tor if they promote it as the primary address.
- MarsIronPI 9mo agoIf they're going to have .onion and .p2p addresses, they should also add Yggdrasil. Yggdrasil is easier to have always running in the background so I don't have to toggle it on just to access AA. EDIT: Never mind, I forgot how the Tor software works. I still think also having Yggdrasil would be nice, though.
- mmooss 9mo agoHow do you access Yggdrasil? .onion addresses require downloading a web browser.
- tremon 9mo agoI access .onion addresses from the same browser I'm typing this comment in. You need a Tor proxy, but other than that it's regular http traffic.
- MarsIronPI 9mo agoOh I forgot that running Tor doesn't automatically route traffic through it. My mistake, sorry.
- MarsIronPI 9mo agoYggdrasil provides an IPv6 address in a formerly reserved and therefore unused block, so you just run Yggdrasil and visit the IPv6 address.
- KomoD 9mo agoalternative tlds you can visit: .se .li .pm .in
- jimmydoe 9mo agoIt might be a sincere effort in the beginning, but at this point, Anna is merely AI company’s foot soldier.
- jjkaczor 9mo agoWhich - now that the various commercial LLM companies have harvested the archive, they will be more than happy to use litigation to raise the drawbridge behind them, so as to block any future competitors from acquiring the same training data...
- jimmydoe 9mo agoThat would be a very interesting and ironic timeline.
- mmooss 9mo agoDo you mean, intentionally? It's an interesting question; is there any evidence?
- jimmydoe 9mo agoNot sure intention but stating the de facto state from my observation.
- lkbm 9mo agoThey do have this section about supplying AI data: https://annas-archive.se/llm https://annas-archive.se/llm I certainly don't consider taking money from AI companies while giving data to everyone else for free makes them AI company footsoldiers, but that offer is presumably what's being alluded to.
- mmooss 9mo agoIt gives AI companies influence, if they supply a significant amount of AA's budget. It also may give AI companies knowledge of AA's people and assets that could be given to authorities.
- hashstring 9mo agoWe love you Anna!
- 1970-01-01 9mo agoI don't understand the premise. .ORG was never a safe-haven TLD in terms of abuse protection. Juicy apple falls from tree, story at 11?
- jszymborski 9mo agothepiratebay.org is still up
- toomuchtodo 9mo agoThey could also potentially write their latest address to the Ethereum blockchain instead, assuming there is a client that could scan and resolve. This would be bulletproof. Nation-state hackers deliver malware from "bulletproof" blockchains - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45860258 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45860258 - November 2025
- jszymborski 9mo agoThey really ought to get an .onion site up.
- goku12 9mo agoWell! Not really a surprise, is it? We knew that DNS censorship was coming sooner or later. The real surprise is that it lasted so long. X509 (TLS) PKI is also probably being abused right now. We know how differently the administration sees services like these that are actually beneficial to humanity. Choosing to rely on services like DNS and PKI exclusively for the function they provide is a very bad idea going forward for us normies. We should have considered these centralized and corporate driven core infrastructure components as interim measures while more independent alternatives were being developed. We have a few different alternatives right now. Can't we just choose one and switch over? (something not based on blockchains.) Something like GNU Name System, may be? PS: They will probably block the IP if Server hold/DNS block is not useful anymore. That's a different problem though.
- flipped 9mo agoTor and monero will save the world.
- OsrsNeedsf2P 9mo agoTor yes. I even recall seeing a rare use of blockchain for domain names (Namecoin) over a decade ago. But I don't see how Monero helps?
- flipped 9mo agoFinancial freedom and private transactions. It's also mined on consumer hardware making it far more decentralized than bitcoin.
- tavavex 9mo agoI wonder if in the interim period between DNS blocks and full IP bans, some websites will start distributing their IP addresses directly as the "official" way to connect to them.
- rurban 9mo agoJust add the censored IP's to your /etc/hosts file, and don't care.
- cramcgrab 9mo agoDon’t copy that floppy!
- jacquesm 9mo agoPiracy is killing music.
- aleph_minus_one 9mo agoYou wouldn't download a car. (I mean: You wouldn't steal a car. :-) ).
- _yb2s 9mo agoThat was always such a silly argument, even more so with the rise of cheap and reliable 3D printing. I download, print, and use physical objects every week and don’t know or care what IP issues might exist as long as it works for its purpose. I can’t wait until the day comes when you can download and print a working car at home.
- kvemkon 9mo agoBut such working cars from home will not be certified to participate at the public traffic and remain toys for driving on own private property.
- _yb2s 9mo agoNo, it is possible to register a homemade car for use on public roads, pretty commonly done actually.
- kvemkon 9mo agoThen I'm surprised. It's much different to the usual situation when even mass made products are either banned or very limited, e.g. unicycles prohibited, e-scooters only up to 20 km/h, e-bikes only up to 25 km/h. Regarding 3D made parts recently there was an accident: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46152941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46152941. One may expect increasing regulation. At least in the air.
- mastermedo 9mo agoI still remember the hiatus around the pirate bay . org going down back in the day. They updated the landing page on the alternative domains to include a hydra above the pirate ship where above each hydra head there was a domain name[1]. I thought that was a great comeback by the maintainers. [1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/the-pirate-bay-has-a-new-logo-with-a-clear-message-2015-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/the-pirate-bay-has-a-new-log...
- jacquesm 9mo agoThose guys should get a prize for resilience alone, they put many government run services to shame. The only thing all this legal stuff seems to have done is to harden them even further.
- ddingus 9mo agoSuch great moves! On their way down, the original creators made sure The Pirate Bay would continue to be that gift that keeps on giving.
- physicles 9mo agoIf anyone hasn’t heard it, the podcast Darknet Diaries episode 92 (2021-05-11) is a great listen.
- ddingus 9mo agoI love that show! Jack has an infectious take on all the criminal antics! He is able to, for the most part, interview them in a non judgemental way. I fine his style clear and well produced! Very highly recommended!
- guelo 9mo agoDo not go there without ublock! The ads on there, especially porn ads, have gotten out of control. Who is it that's making money off of thepiratebay these days?
- lr1970 9mo ago<sarcasm> I thought that Anthropic and OpenAI created precedents that legitimize libgen and Anna archive. They pillaged all the books and scientific papers from those archives and got away with it. Why not the rest of us? </sarcasm>
- carlosjobim 9mo ago> got away with it Anthropic paid a settlement of $1 500 000 000 to authors.
- wswope 9mo agoDoesn't really mean much until individuals can also sacrifice a small percentage of their ARR to completely ignore IP law. I'd take that deal, but until it becomes and option, we have a clearly broken system. Rules for thee; not for me, etc.
- nostrademons 9mo agoThey can: VPNs.
- wswope 9mo agoFair point, but I think the Pinkertons would be at my door within the hour if I started re-appropriating the art style of Studio Ghibli or Disney for commercial profit.
- dmix 9mo agoPeople always say this like the tech industry wasn't culturally anti-copyright and pro-creative commons before. Those same people probably work at Meta and Anthropic, just like Google's book project which got them in trouble.
- wswope 9mo ago> People always say this like the tech industry wasn't culturally anti-copyright and pro-creative commons before. I completely agree with that. The problem is that the current system is such that only billion dollar players can flout the rules, while everyone else is left in the dust. Worst of both worlds IMO.
- jacquesm 9mo agoIf anything this is a very strong argument for a completely decentralized domain name system. The DNS is much too fragile in light of all of the recent developments.
- ur-whale 9mo ago> If anything this is a very strong argument for a completely decentralized domain name system. As you probably know, this is a very old idea, dating back almost from the birth of bitcoin [1] [2]. Real shame it didn't take off. [1] https://www.namecoin.org/ https://www.namecoin.org/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namecoin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namecoin
- oybng 9mo agoknowledge for me but not for thee
- ur-whale 9mo agoFunny how HN is usually ripe with folks crawling out of the woodwork to defend IP ownership as a fundamentally important principle, both on moral and economic grounds. Yet, as of 08:37:36 MST Monday, 5 January 2026 there isn't a single comment on this thread complaining about Anna's IP theft. Don't get me wrong, that makes me VERY happy, I am a firm believer that the very notion of IP ownership needs to die a horrible death, something that AI may very well make happen in short order, yay. But still, I can't help but wonder why the "this is IP theft" crowd is completely silent when it comes to the like of pirate bay and Anna.
- acoustics 9mo ago> I am a firm believer that the very notion of IP ownership needs to die a horrible death, something that AI may very well make happen in short order, yay. The leading AI labs are not killing IP. They are taking IP and reshaping/combining it to produce their own highly lucrative proprietary IP package which they sell to you. The mirror image of IP defenders are AI boosters who argue against IP when it comes to slurping up media but squirm when you say "ok, then publish all of the inputs that go into making your frontier models, and publish the model weights too."
- tavavex 9mo ago> the very notion of IP ownership needs to die a horrible death, something that AI may very well make happen in short order, yay I agree with the disdain for IP, especially with what it had grown to become nowadays. But while I was also initially optimistic that AI companies may find a way to make IP go away as a byproduct of their activities, now it seems more like the big businesses will cut deals with one another and leave us commoners with nothing. Entertainment megacorps and AI companies rule the world, and I have no doubts that they'd find a way to become close allies. The AI companies get their near-endless stream of training data, the entertainment industry gets a cut of that juicy AI money and gives away their data willingly, while the IP remains locked away from ordinary people for eons more, just the way they like it. No one but us wants IP reform, or at least no one with real power, so it will probably never happen.
- squigz 9mo agoPossibly because context matters to many people. AA is not stealing every byte of data they can get in order to make billions of dollars, collect personal data about people, and then sell that for even more money.
- amatecha 9mo agoThis happened a couple days ago, not "a few hours ago". I was surprised torrentfreak hadn't posted about it at the time -- maybe took them a while to notice? I tried to hit the site on Jan 2nd, 10:40pm pacific timezone, and the domain was inaccessible then.
- squigz 9mo agoYou could consider emailing them if you notice things first in the future https://torrentfreak.com/contact/ https://torrentfreak.com/contact/
- dangus 9mo agoSurprise to who exactly? Anna’s Archive has been one of the most blatant piracy outlets to come around since the days of Napster.
- IAmBroom 9mo agoThat seems a tad judgmental. Anna is welcome here on the Group W bench.
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- fathertimex8 9mo agoWhat is the recommended way to use or download/mirror Anna’s Archive now?
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 9mo agoThis is presumably due to the action brought by OCLC against the defendant for "scraping" worldcat.org in 2022-2023 According to the certificate of service, Tucows, the registrar for the .org domain, has been made aware of the litigation The Court has stated that "browserwrap" agreements, e.g., OCLC terms and conditions, may be unenforceable in Ohio and it's unclear whether "scraping" violates Ohio tort law. It has certified these questions to the Ohio Supreme Court, but unless the defendant responds, it looks like a default judgment will be granted https://dn721602.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.ohsd.287709/gov.uscourts.ohsd.287709.54.0.pdf https://dn721602.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.ohsd.28... https://dn721602.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.ohsd.287709/gov.uscourts.ohsd.287709.57.0.pdf https://dn721602.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.ohsd.28...