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Framework Raises DDR5 Memory Prices by 50% for DIY Laptops
- FuriouslyAdrift 10mo agoWork is skipping server, desktop, and laptop buys that were planned for 2026. Guess I am going to be fixing and patching a lot more often next year.
- SlightlyLeftPad 10mo agoYikes, I hadn’t realized this was that big of a problem. The same exact G.skill z5 64Gb ram I bought 4 years ago is well on its way to being double the price. Does this have more to do with Crucial ending consumer product lines or tariffs?
- adastra22 10mo agoIt is because OpenAI bought 40% of the world’s production capacity overnight. RAM is like toilet paper during Covid now.
- embedding-shape 10mo agoAnd also because Korean companies apparently fear US retribution if they start producing DDR4. I don't feel like "OpenAI bought half the supply" tells the entire story when the companies that used to produce DDR4 with the left over machines no longer dare to do so. Probably the prices wouldn't spike as they're doing right now if the ones who used to produce the older RAM generations actually continued doing so.
- officeplant 10mo agoWhat do you mean by this? From everything I can find points towards other companies winding down DDR4 production because of China's cheaper DDR4 production lines.
- embedding-shape 10mo agoIt was brought up in a different HN submission about a week ago, here's the specific quote from the article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46169499 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46169499 > Budget brands normally buy older DRAM fabrication equipment from mega-producers like Samsung when Samsung upgrades their DRAM lines to the latest and greatest equipment. This allows the DRAM market to expand more than it would otherwise because it makes any upgrading of the fanciest production lines to still be additive change to the market. However, Korean memory firms have been terrified that reselling old equipment to China-adjacent OEMs might trigger U.S. retaliation…and so those machines have been sitting idle in warehouses since early spring. - https://www.mooreslawisdead.com/post/sam-altman-s-dirty-dram-deal https://www.mooreslawisdead.com/post/sam-altman-s-dirty-dram... Every one seems so focused on that one company supposedly had "fake demand" just to ruin it for competitors, while the supply also seemingly is being suppressed, and no one seems to be talking about that. To me that seems like a much bigger deal, because then the market can't even restore the supply...
- tick_tock_tick 10mo agoWhy would the USA care if Korean makes legacy DDR? You're going to have to give some kind of context to this completely wild statement.
- _lvbh 10mo agoKorea wouldn't make them. They'd sell the machines to China & China would. At least that's what I've seen people say
- embedding-shape 10mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46253185 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46253185
- prmoustache 10mo agoThe toilet paper thing didn't really happen though because there is so much shit people can produce at a time and the demand never increased if you scaled it to a 2 weeks period. There was enough stock in warehouses that 3 days later every store had a full stock again and the prices never increased.
- mc32 10mo agoTrue but office TP isn’t Charmin. So the demand for Scott would go down, but demand for northern quilted and Charmin would go up!
- adastra22 10mo agoDid we live through the same pandemic? At least where I live, there was shortages for weeks, and scarce for months. There was a real manufacturing shift that had to happen in the transition from commercial toilet paper to residential, which is made by totally different machines. The problem was real. It’s just that someone, seeing that real problem, triggered a panic buy that resulted in cleared shelves and a misallocation of the actual supply, making everything worse for everyone. In the present case, OpenAI just took 40% of the world’s supply off the market. That is massive, and will have implications for RAM availability for many industries. As a result, every other company immediately bought up as much supply as they could. Cars during Covid is probably the closer comparison, actually. A combined supply-drop followed by demand-shock resulting in skyrocketing prices and empty inventory.
- asa400 10mo agoHow much RAM should they be allowed to buy? Who should decide that?
- redserk 10mo agoPerhaps a quantity below "a single company causes enough of a spike in global demand that it'll have demonstrable impact in nearly every single industry" And usually trade regulators would be the entity to start being concerned. I assume you're on a quest to assert a "let a completely unregulated free market roar" position, but do recognize that global supply issues of critical components have negative market effects, especially when it'll have some impact on nearly every industry except perhaps lawn care.
- nancyminusone 10mo agoI just last week sold some DDR5 I bought in April for triple what I paid for it.
- TacticalCoder 10mo agoYou should look into 0 DTEs options. They 3x more often than RAM do 3x!
- esseph 10mo agoCrucial was shut down so they could focus on selling more ram to hyperscalers. That happened because of the state of things. Prices are not expected to recover until 2028.
- CryptoBanker 10mo agoThe state of things...meaning AI companies buying up the world's supply of RAM
- embedding-shape 10mo agoI think maybe long-term the effect of Korean companies no longer daring to reuse old machines to produce DDR4 because of US retribution is the bigger cause of that.
- wtallis 10mo agoRepeating this weird claim won't make it true. DDR4 isn't going to come back into fashion, even during a DRAM shortage. Demand for DDR4 can't increase meaningfully when no current-generation processors can use it, and older-generation processors aren't seeing any increase in production or sales. DDR4 is not a substitute good for the RAM that's in short supply.
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- kasabali 10mo agoHe's kinda right even though he's kinda wrong. He's confused about the retribution thing. Korean manufacturers aren't afraid of US to restart DDR4 manufacturing. They don't want to restart it anyway. But I'm pretty sure I've recently read it somewhere credible that they'd normally sell their old machinery but now they can't because they're afraid China would be the eventual buyer (via proxies) and they'd be inadvertently in violation of US sanctions , so instead of selling they just locked down the old machinery to gather dust instead. And about DDR4 not being relevant, even though DDR4 manufacturing stopped earlier this year and DDR4 prices have been slowly but steadily increasing long before this crisis, after the crisis DDR4 prices have also tripled just like DDR5 prices, even in the used market. So regardless of whether it's a real demand or panic response, the effect is still real on people wanting to upgrade their DDR4 systems. These people who probably just wants to update RAM in their systems in the hope that it'd help them delay their switch to DDR5 systems for a few years while bracing the impact. Had Chinese manufacturers continued to manufacture DDR4 at least this wouldn't be that bad for the existing system upgrades of DDR4 systems.
- Sohcahtoa82 10mo ago> The same exact G.skill z5 64Gb ram I bought 4 years ago is well on its way to being double the price. The RAM I bought last year has more than tripled. 2x32 DDR5 kits, $240/kit, now $820.
- crote 10mo agoThe end of Crucial is a symptom, not a cause. Crucial is merely Micron's factory brand. Nothing is stopping OEMs like G.Skill or Kingston from buying DRAM chips from Micron and putting them on consumer RAM sticks. Well, that's the theory at least. In practice it's more accurate to say that Micron had cut down their consumer allocation that not even their factory brand can get enough chips to survive.
- j45 10mo agoIt seems easier to purchase from hardware vendors that have already locked in their prices for RAM.
- walterbell 10mo agohttps://www.trendforce.com/news/2025/12/05/exclusive-memory-crunch-hits-pcs-dell-hikes-prices-15-20-mid-december-lenovo-from-january-2026/ https://www.trendforce.com/news/2025/12/05/exclusive-memory-... > Lenovo has begun notifying clients of coming price hikes, with adjustments set to take effect in early 2026.. Dell is expected to raise prices by at least 15-20%, with the increase potentially taking effect as soon as mid-December.. Dell COO Jeff Clarke warned that he’s “never seen memory-chip costs rise this fast,” .. Lenovo [cited] two key factors: an intensifying memory shortage and the rapid integration of AI technologies.. TrendForce has downgraded its 2026 notebook shipment forecast from an initial 1.7% YoY growth to a 2.4% YoY decline. https://hanchouhsu.substack.com/p/overview-of-the-memory-market-in https://hanchouhsu.substack.com/p/overview-of-the-memory-mar... > The full-year price increase for Samsung’s storage products supplied to Apple in 2026 has been finalized, with DRAM prices rising by 53% and NAND prices rising by 52%. Earlier rumors suggesting an 80% full-year increase for DRAM were inaccurate.. Apple negotiated the prices down to the aforementioned levels and signed long-term agreements (LTAs).. Kioxia also signed a similar agreement with Apple, with price increases consistent with Samsung’s.
- ndiddy 10mo agoDell now charges more for RAM than Apple for some models: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-now-beats-dell-at-ram-pricing.2474314/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-now-beats-dell-at...
- Bayart 10mo agoThe margins on memory for Apple were so absurd that they should have more ability to eat up the costs, if they wanted to. I'm assuming they would, to the extent that they're a device company more so than a service company yet.
- jsheard 10mo agoI don't think Apple ever adjusts the price of existing products, for better (eating the cost of part shortages) or worse (over-charging for old parts). The real test will be what they do with upcoming products.
- Neywiny 10mo agoI have 96GB of 6000 MT/s. Pcpartpicker says 64GB kits have quadrupled in price since August. So I'm almost surprised it's only 50%.
- embedding-shape 10mo agoLiterally bought 96GB (4x24GB) of DDR5 5600Mhz (edit: RDIMM ECC) just 5 days ago, fearing the prices would go up even more moving forward. Paid 1500 EUR for it in total :/ Southern Europe FWIW.
- kachapopopow 10mo agoI think you got scammed by a local vendor, I got ddr5 2x48gb in europe 6400mhz (non ecc) for 320ish euro.
- embedding-shape 10mo agoIt's RDIMM ECC DDR5, for a sTR5 system, guess that's why the price difference. Should have mentioned that, my bad.
- rozenmd 10mo agohow many months ago? the RRP on that today is like 1k+: https://www.ldlc.com/en/product/PB00622951.html https://www.ldlc.com/en/product/PB00622951.html
- kachapopopow 10mo agoglobally yah, but local stores are slow to react to changes so as long as the stock doesn't run out you can get a decent deal.
- mananaysiempre 10mo agoA year ago, Framework-branded memory for DIY laptops cost, IIRC, 2x Amazon for equivalent specs (not the same modules—the ADATA ones that Framework puts their stickers on are theoretically available retail but in practice complete unobtanium in most countries). Not Apple pricing, but they definitely have some margin to eat into.
- meindnoch 10mo agocc @apple
- insane_dreamer 10mo agoThanks, Sam :<
- esafak 10mo agoHorde it, Sam. For old times' sake.
- chairmansteve 10mo agoIt reminds me of the AI paperclip problem. The AIs are eating all the memory chips and energy. And GPUs of course. Except its caused by good old bubble capitalism.
- Dylan16807 10mo ago> all the memory chips and energy. And GPUs of course. Yes and no and yes. AI is having a bad impact on electricity prices, but the actual graph of US electrical use was pretty flat for 20 years and is barely increasing even now. If the bubble keeps going strong we might see AI get up to 10% several years from now. The RAM and GPU use is a whole different category of dominating.
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- Group_B 10mo agoThis is not the same at all
- Kye 10mo agoWhere's the gouge? DDR5 prices went up more than the 50% they increased their price by.
- greenavocado 10mo agoHave you paid any attention to DDR5 prices prior to writing your comment? Answer Yes or No.
- Ritewut 10mo agoYes, Framework made their comments like 1 or 2 days ago. They knew what was happening to RAM prices.
- Dylan16807 10mo agoHere's what they actually said: "We are going to need to increase our memory pricing soon, but we won’t use this as an excuse to gouge customers like @Dell apparently has and that @Apple does as their norm." No hypocrisy there. They were replying to a screenshot showing a huge price per GB on Dell's site, but it looks like that screenshot was wrong? So a mistake on framework's part for not checking sources, but they've had a consistent and reasonable position on pricing.
- ChrisArchitect 10mo agoActual article: https://frame.work/blog/updates-on-memory-pricing-and-navigating-the-volatile-memory-market https://frame.work/blog/updates-on-memory-pricing-and-naviga...
- sosodev 10mo agoThank you for sharing this. Their point about the 128GB desktop mainboard being a bargain while their prices remain low rings true. I bought one a couple weeks ago because I've been wanting to build a beefy, efficient home server and I think this might be the last window of affordability for quite a while.
- dismalaf 10mo agoWhat's wild is OpenAI doubling down on hyperscaling when it's obvious that the gains from pre-training are coming to an end. They seem determined to just go out in flames...
- mschuster91 10mo agoThe thing is, it seems like they are planning to force everyone else out of the market. Acquire all the RAM they can possibly get, leave none for the competition, pray to survive the entire mess. It's the inevitable peak of the venture capital pipeline, just this time it isn't individual industries (e.g. taxis with Uber, hotels with AirBnB) getting squeezed out by unsustainable pricing - it's the economy at large that's suffering this time. And it's high time for us as a society to put an end to this madness. End the AI VC economy before it ends our economy.
- zb3 10mo agoWas this market manipulation legal? If so, that's crazy..
- mschuster91 10mo agoOh, both Uber and AirBnB did get dinged by the courts - but it took them years and the damage was already done, on top of that the fines were laughable. We need the corporate death penalty aka forced dissolution for egregious cases of misbehavior, we need easier ways to pierce the corporate veil (and I'm more and more inclined to actually support the death penalty here as well, despite the potential for abuse), we need corporate fines to all be measured % of gross income, at least double the profit margin. And we need all of that fast.
- riskable 10mo agoPerhaps we can call this type of maneuver, "The Sam Altman": Your expensive business's mid-term outlook not looking so good? Why not use all that cash/credit to corner the market in some commodity in order to cripple your perceived competition?
- jordanb 10mo agoAt some point it's going to make sense to buy a computer without ram once the lack of ram pushes demand down for all other components. Maybe this won't last that long given the RAM shortage is apparently a corner attempt by Sam Altman.
- acephal 10mo agoFrom what I've read, he's tied up RAM manufacturers through 2029. That's a lot of quartely earnings reports for many firms in the economy where they watch consumer spend come to a screeching halt.
- klez 10mo agoOne has to hope OpenAI goes bankrupt and they flood the market with used RAM sticks at bargain bin price.
- teeray 10mo agoDon’t worry, they’ve cozied up for a nice fat bailout if that happens.
- drtgh 10mo agoAs with all Ponzi schemes OpenAI will eventually go bankrupt, yet it continues to receive money from the unwary. I wonder how the research division at Disney feels about what their bosses have done... But it should happen earlier due what is happening with the RAM, as it sounds quite illegal, like anticompetitive hoarding, cornering the market, raising rivals' costs, consumer welfare harm, and so on.
- Tadpole9181 10mo agoThey bought unfinished components and have no ability to finish them. They're now waste just sitting on shelves and by the time we could do this and get them into production lines, they'll be obsoletd by DDR6.
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- pengaru 10mo agoI assembled a new 32c/64t 7970X threadripper with 128GB DDR5 and a 16GB RX9070XT over the summer... This memory situation has me pondering putting it all up on ebay
- embedding-shape 10mo agoI started thinking about it last spring, been slowly finding the ideal setup over time. Finally bit the bullet just like 5 days ago, fearing it's about to become worse rather than better, but it hurt as much anyway :/
- jszymborski 10mo agoIf DDR5 will still be around in two years, you might want to sell half of your RAM now and use those proceeds double it in a couple years? Or just cash out, that's always great.
- abawany 10mo agoI upgraded my laptop from 32gb to 64gb (should have gotten 96gb) over the summer and I'm considering the same for the leftover 32gb - fear of not having spares in case of defects holds me back though.
- fcoury 10mo agoI thought Apple would get around and improve their memory prices with time, I guess it's the opposite: all manufacturers are now becoming Apple given these raises. I wonder what Apple's next move will be :-) EDIT: Spelling
- echelon 10mo agoThey are not becoming Apple. They are updating the prices of their components to the underlying market costs. Framework lets you replace the memory modules. Apple is a fashionable brand that commands a price premium. They can charge much higher prices and will charge the amount that will maximize their profits. BMW charges to enable heated seats. They know their customers have money and will pay. Apple is the same. Framework has to competitively price. They're being forced to update pricing to reflect the reality of supply and demand. There's also this: > Due to [Framework's] memory pricing said to be more competitive below market rates, they also adjusted their return policy to prevent scalpers from purchasing DIY Edition laptops with memory while then returning just the laptops. The DDR5 must be returned now with DIY laptop order returns.
- threecheese 10mo agoI am wondering myself; this M1 is getting long in the tooth, maybe now is the time to upgrade.
- wmf 10mo ago50% won't be enough so they'll need to raise prices again in a month or two.
- acephal 10mo agoAltman should be jailed for this. Single-handedly crashing consumer spending in an entire sector of the economy. At the very least for the reason that that was supposed to happen _after_ they had the AI in hand to supplant majority white collar labor, not before.
- cyanydeez 10mo agoHe's just one of the ringleaders of the AI parade. This certainly isn'tjust him, just like the american corruption isn't just donald trump
- derektank 10mo agoWe’re contemplating jailing people for buying manufactured goods at the market price now?
- stackskipton 10mo agoYes? Reports are that OpenAI is buying unfinished memory kits which they have no capacity to complete. It appears that OpenAI is just buying them to remove them from the market and damage their competitors. In United States, that used to be considered against the law if we were actually enforcing such things.
- m00x 10mo agoSince COVID, this has been the norm for any industry that requires chips. Operation handbook now dictates that you should have 3-4 years of all the ICs you'll need for production so you don't end up like the car manufacturers.
- downrightmike 10mo agoMassively over inflating your vehicles to the point they can't move them in the market?
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- LetsGetTechnicl 10mo agoGreat, another thing AI is ruining
- WorldPeas 10mo agoThere's an errant thing at the back of my mind, I can't help but wonder if this ram shortage could revive the ram dimm as a concept as so many manufacturers were adopting the soldered-ram approach. I'm sure though this won't come to pass
- wmf 10mo agoRetail DIMMs are more expensive than soldered RAM so that just makes things worse.
- zrm 10mo agoThe price difference in terms of manufacturing cost is immaterial. But if people can't afford a machine with 32GB anymore then they're going to suffer one with 8GB knowing from the outset that it's not enough and then have a strong preference for the ability to upgrade it later when prices come back down or they get more money.
- hopelite 10mo agoIt seems the only thing that could break this is the off chance that the SCOTUS rules that the tariffs are illegal and/or Congress strips the Presidency of the power they gave it in utters incompetence many decades ago. I’m thinking with sufficient pressure by all tech interested people it could become an issue in the midterms and even force Trump to sign agreements not to tariff RAM by Korean producers who could ramp up production. Frankly, I wouldn’t even be surprised if we start seeing RAM smuggling. In not sure of drug prices, but would smuggling RAM not be at least just as profitable, especially without the high profile and risk? Hey! … hey, you! You want to have some fun?
- wmf 10mo agoTariffs aren't the problem.
- jpgvm 10mo agoThey are indirectly. DDR4 fab capacity should have stayed constant as DDR5 was brought online. The mechanism that powers that is usually the top tier brands selling their used fab equipment to China who then keep mass producing the legacy DRAM while fabs in Korea are converted to manufacture the new standard. Instead all of those machines have been warehoused because Korean firms fear US sanctions/punitive tarifs if they were to offload that equipment to China. So what has happened is DDR4 capacity has actually shrunk massively when it shouldn't have, DDR5 capacity was only barely meeting demand and then huge deals were cut that cornered the market. Tarifs wouldn't help DDR5 a huge amount but without them DDR4 would be dirt cheap right now.
- arjie 10mo agoI bought a couple of terabytes of RAM and now I feel like one of those crypto-whales haha. It's just sitting there in the corner. One was a lucky one, too, because I tried to negotiate a guy to sell me a system with less RAM but he wouldn't discount it much. Now it pays for most of the cost of the damn thing. These spikes do happen. I remember one for hard drives after a storm. The surprising thing for me is how cheap a super-powerful Epyc is these days. But then you need to fill the 12 RAM slots and that becomes more costly. Funny times.
- craftkiller 10mo agoYou don't NEED to fill the 12 ram slots. My personal 1U has an Epyc 9124 and only 4 of the 12 ram slots filled. I figured, ram will only get cheaper with time so I can fill the remaining 8 slots in the future. Turns out I was wrong, but regardless, the server runs fine on 4 sticks.
- arjie 10mo agoHaha the 'need' is a joke need. Like I need to upgrade my 9654s to the 9755 I have sitting in a box.
- jdprgm 10mo agoAre you actually selling some of the RAM though? I was curious with this spike and while the amazon listing for 2x48GB DDR5 that I bought a year or so ago has indeed almost tripled the ebay resale value for similar packages sold recently is all over the map with some close to what I originally paid and some as much as double but probably on average 30-50% increase which is nowhere near the amazon listing.
- arjie 10mo ago1 GB RAM = 1 GB RAM man. I am HODLING! Haha, if I did sell I'd probably sell on /r/homelabsales which is a much more pleasant place to interact.
- PeterStuer 10mo agoUltimately this is OpenAI and their (circular) investors doubling down on a US sovereignty wet dream and "too big to fail". They might pull it off , but hell off a way to bet the economy dominos all on black.
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- SchwKatze 10mo agoMy question is, will the ram price go down at some point or is it a point of no return?
- wmf 10mo agoYes, it will go back down eventually.
- cheraderama 10mo agoThe situation is really sticky, since allegedly fabs are anxious to ramp up production, fearing the AI bubble will burst and they will be left with useless stock. So the usual supply chasing demand doesn't apply here and we might wait for a really long time...
- gpm 10mo agoYes, we're just hitting the limits of current manufacturing not some fundamental limit like the availability of raw materials. Either demand will wane and the prices will go down, or manufacturing will scale up and prices will go down, eventually. That "eventually" does some work, but it's not remotely a case of "a point of no return". In fact long term this might well make RAM cheaper than it otherwise would be, because we'll make more of it and get better at producing it than we would have without the demand spike. I.e. Wright's Law in action - which is usually pretty good at producing the long term direction of prices of products like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_curve_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_curve_effect
- pratyushnair01 10mo agoCorrect if I'm wrong, but without any new entrants, the market effectively cornered by a few players and high demand from data centers, how will the prices come down? Just like the GPU prices post COVID and bitcoin demand, how will there be any incentive to bring down consumer prices? The only scenario I can think of is chinese firms catch up and swoop in to corner the market.
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- quentindanjou 10mo agoOriginal article from Framework Blog: https://frame.work/blog/updates-on-memory-pricing-and-navigating-the-volatile-memory-market https://frame.work/blog/updates-on-memory-pricing-and-naviga...
- dustymcp 10mo agoI just bought 32gb ram at 650DKK 2 months ago and now the same ram goes for 3200+...
- TrackerFF 10mo agoA 32GB DDR5 Kingston cost around 1000 NOK (~100 USD) earlier this summer. Currently they are selling for 8000 NOK (~800 USD).
- Byron_t_Bulb 10mo agoIn my opinion we are witnessing the market influences of a new type of public-private "Phoebus cartel" except at a total global scale where anti-terrorism laws require pricing businesses and individuals out of owning their own compute forcing them to rent compute from multinational hyperscaler cloud businesses who are integrated with military intelligence operations. Computing technology after all is a weapon of mass destruction and the peaceful are being punished for the non peaceful. It is too dangerous for governments around the world to allow individuals to posses the immense power of computing technology. Call me chicken little but we are witnessing the end of publicly available private general computing. Market changes influencing cost effectiveness analysis to favor public cloud is a deliberate goal to secure national critical infrastructure. I also think this coincides with the limits of MOSFET scaling and RISC-V permissive licensing. My only credentials for this is 15+ years working in fintech I&O for a US Fortune 500 company.
- stoltzmann 10mo agoIt certainly feels like we are being squeezed from all sides. I think the push to require ID verification for websites is also part of the plot - it all feels too coordinated, like governments all over the world have the same exact agenda to destroy our privacy. At some point you will have to verify your ID to use any computer system, and it will act just as a terminal to the cloud. I guess we will get the future that was seen in Sun Microsystems with their Ray thin clients after all, but in a way that will provide complete control over population rather than mobility. What is in cards for us is complete slavery to digital systems.
- Byron_t_Bulb 10mo agoAnti terrorism laws will compel society into smart cities, continuous attestation of very high confidence subject/applicant identity. It is the only way to accomplish the mission. You can see it has already happened with "Know Your Customer" rules in banking. Mobile banking adds continuous "Know Where Your Customer Is". As our digital twins are distilled from social media via age verification this adds "Know What Your Customer Has Done". Then as we interact with AI chatbots with very high confidence identity this adds "Know What Your Customer Is Thinking". The fusion of these data points will enable our digital twins to be simulated into "Is My Customer A Terrorist" and then we will all have to deal with the quality and reliability of these systems. There will also be an unprecedented opportunity to optimize banking and marketing. The only problem I see is consent of the people however this is what we have collectively decided as a society long ago with United States v. Reynolds, 345 U.S. 1 (1953) allowing the state to ultimately not require our consent or even awareness of its actions. Without having all the information it is impossible to come to any rational conclusion. We are out of the loop! Total Digitization is happening for better or for worse.
- scottLobster 10mo agoDon't worry, on the other side of the AI bubble pop the market will be flooded with used DDR5 sticks from unprofitable datacenters.
- beAbU 10mo agoNope. Check again. All the manufacturers are switching to HBM, the market will be flooded with useless soldered on memory that nobody can use outside of running local inference. The rest of us 'normal' memory plebes are fucked.
- GlitchInstitute 10mo agoMacBooks will kill the market because of these memory price hikes
- faefox 10mo agoLate-stage capitalism in action. We have companies that are so insanely rich (despite losing equally insane amounts of money) that they can single-handedly corner worldwide markets for critical components in a brazen attempt to hurt the competition, and nobody will do a single thing about it.
- jjkaczor 10mo agoPlaced an order from Lenovo on November 21st - 96gb of RAM in that machine, it still hasn't shipped yet - am wondering if/when they will try to "renegotiate" the deal... (supposed arrival date on that system is 01/02/2026)
- pmdr 10mo agoAh yes, the abundance ushered in by the "AI era" is overwhelming us all. Is anyone's salary here projected to go up 53% in 2026?
- bicepjai 10mo agoGiven that major memory manufacturers are abandoning consumer RAM production to focus on HBM for AI data centers, can we make a prediction that HBM prices will eventually fall enough to make it viable for consumer hardware?
- Suppafly 10mo agoIt's not like Framework is choosing to do this just to screw consumers, their suppliers are raising the prices on them, so those increases have to pass through to the consumers.