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> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, whi
by afavour 11mo ago
> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are
In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do.
IMO ads rollout won’t be as simple as you’re describing it. A lot of people have switched from Google search to AI specifically because it isn’t filled with SEO, ad filled nonsense. So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to introduce it without alienating customers. Not to mention mollifying advertisers who are nervous what their product will be shown alongside and OpenAI will probably struggle to offer iron clad guarantees about it. And people generally speaking don’t like ads. If competitors like Google are able to hold out longer with no ads (they certainly aren’t wanting for ad display surfaces) they might be able to pull users away from OpenAI.
IMO pivoting to ads is a sign of core weakness for OpenAI. Anyone trying to set up their own ad network in 2025 has to reckon with Google and Meta, the two absolute behemoths of online ads. And both also happen to be major competitors of OpenAI. If they need ads that’s a problem.
- falcor84 11mo agoYeah, I saw several people who only first tried AI chats on Google's new "AI Mode", which uses Gemini, but doesn't mention it anywhere.
- lxgr 11mo agoEven “AI mode” isn’t mainstream yet, at least in my observation. “AI summaries” are, but they seem to be powered by an even weaker model.
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 11mo agoI am not exactly a great example ( exposure to work model, ollama, local models play ) and I actually liked gemini upon try in google search ( which is amusingly now banned at work ), but the nice quickly fell into not nice, when it started giving me weird pushback on operation paperclip book ( I am assuming chapter discussing tabun triggered something. This is my only real problem with gemini. By comparison, I am not running into guardrails with gpt nearly as often.
- Zetaphor 11mo agoAnd yet most of the people I know, including many technical ones, default to ChatGPT before Google's AI Studio. Google has general brand awareness, but ChatGPT has become the Bandaid or Kleenex of AI
- ethmarks 11mo agoFun fact: that's called a generic trademark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark
- Y_Y 11mo agoWhen you call your product "(Chat) Generative Pretrained Transformer" then I don't think you have a great defense against genericisation. The legal history of these is interesting, lots of household names have lost their trademarks, and lots of seemingly generic names are still trademarked. This way to the rabbit hole -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericize...
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- kccqzy 11mo agoOpenAI does worse than that. It tried to make GPT a trademark but USPTO rejected it. So it’s not even a trademark let alone a generic trademark. https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn97733259&docId=NFIN20230525093517#docIndex=12 https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn97733259&docI...
- afavour 11mo ago> ChatGPT has become the Bandaid or Kleenex of AI I agree but how many consumers actively purchase Bandaid or Kleenex over cheaper store brands? Becoming a generic term doesn’t always translate to great business. “I’ll put it into chat” could easily end up meaning “enter into Google’s AI prompt” for many people.
- neximo64 11mo ago> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are That's actually changed a while ago.
- lxgr 11mo agoClaude? I’d be extremely surprised. Gemini? As gemini.google.com or as the thoroughly mediocre “AI summaries” on top of Google Search results?
- bigbinary 11mo agoClaude has been aggressively advertising on Facebook, Instagram, and Reddit, and the ads have been much more general use than just the code benefits. They’re definitely no ChatGPT, but they’re not an unknown player.
- caymanjim 11mo agoYou're only seeing those ads because the ad algorithm knows you. My family aren't getting Claude ads. They wouldn't know the first thing about it even if it were explained to them.
- JohnnyMarcone 11mo agoI saw a Claude ad before watching Wicked for Good in the theater. I was surprised.
- lanyard-textile 11mo agoFrom the advertisements I’ve seen, only in the bay area, I honestly wouldn’t know Claude “competed” with ChatGPT unless I knew of it beforehand. For me that’s mostly because every AI startup is promising the moon on their billboards, lol.
- mrbombastic 11mo agoYeah my father who codes occasionally asked me what the best AI for coding was and he had never even heard of claude so I would be very surprised if your average person knows it.
- SketchySeaBeast 11mo agoI can't wait for the instructions to start having ads embedded. 2. Place the turkey in your GE Two in One Oven set to 350, cooking for 10 minutes a lbs. 3. While waiting for your Turkey to finish cooking, why not have an ice cold Coke Zero? Click here for nearby locations. 4. Remove Turkey from the oven, let rest for ten minutes while listening to Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars sing "Die with a Smile" on Spotify.
- a4isms 11mo agoThis is where Tesla has a key advantage. Optimus can walk you to the kitchen to look for a Coke Zero. Google and OpenAI cannot compete with this.
- serf 11mo agothis is one of those HN style comments where business acumen and pertinent sarcasm are wholly indistinguishable .
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- iaw 11mo agoThank you for this comment, there is no way I could eloquently explain my read on the comment you're replying to the way you did.
- a4isms 11mo agoPoe's Law notwithstanding, I find it hard to believe that anyone would think I was making a good faith business acumen observation. If Optimus walks you to the kitchen to get a coke, what's Tesla's business model? Charge by the nanosecond for compute time?
- staticman2 11mo agoThe robot suggested a coke zero because it was paid to by the Coca-Cola Company. Now you'll need to buy more coke zero to replace what you drank.
- onion2k 11mo agothey just need to know Google, which they most definitely do The way that Google is rolling out AI is confusing, and I imagine a lot of people who can access Gemini don't actually know they can or how to use it. Among those that do know, many won't know what it's capable of and will believe that they need to pay for a service like ChatGPT in order to get what they want.
- stOneskull 11mo agoi'd guess co-pilot or bing. so many people use microsoft edge and office, not to mention windows itself.
- wayeq 11mo ago> So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to introduce it without alienating customers. I'm certain the ads will be introduced in an easily identifiable and ignorable way. People will acclimate, user behavior will be analyzed, and over time the dial will ever so slowly be turned up to optimize for draining as much attention and money from the consumer as possible.
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- LogicFailsMe 11mo agoYou'll just need to run a small local model to filter out the ads. And they just become another one of those silly arms races between the ad makers and the ad blockers and we all burn more electricity.
- luckman212 11mo agobut AI will calculate precisely the optimal amount of electricity to waste. so, win win
- wiz21c 11mo ago> So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to introduce it without alienating customers. every single platform since the 1990's has introduced ads. My kids find it totally normal to have them. Believe me, if you train (!) people to accept ads, they will soon think it's normal. And besides, if ChatGPT goes with ads, Google will follow directly. So the users won't have the choice anymore. But ok, if I have to pay for a service without ads, then let it be. Paying for a service is normal too.
- ViewTrick1002 11mo agoBut many of them have failed to achieve the necessary profitability. For example Snapchat, Reddit etc.
- ryandrake 11mo agoDon't worry, you'll pay for the service and get ads. It's the inevitable end-state of these kinds of services.
- rubidium 11mo agoAmazon prime video showed us that. First no ads. Then ad free if you pay extra. Then “ad free” except half the shows have a “this show requires ads” bs and still have ads. Scummy flea ridden advertisers at their core.
- eastbound 11mo agoAmazon prime video, when you pay for the subscription, half of the content in the content lists are paid. That’s right, you pay for a subscription that suggests PpV content.
- 9dev 11mo agoAnd Netflix follows suit. You think you can escape the ads? Think again.
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- Invictus0 11mo agoThis is the curlftpfs comment all over again
- Verdex 11mo ago> IMO pivoting to ads is a sign of core weakness for OpenAI. Yeah, I've had the same thought for a while now. You don't sell investors on an endeavor for 10s of billions of dollars with the endgame being "sell ads". If that was the endgame then there are a lot less resource and capital intensive ways to get to it. Given all of the discourse of "you need this new tech in your life to continue to participate in society", I would not have expected them to need to stand on the roadside trying to get people to buy low cost fireworks. It smacks of going through the sofa for loose change so you can make rent. And if they had something impressive coming down the pipeline I would think they could get someone to spot them a few billions yet, unless the billionaire/megacorp economy is really that tapped out.
- randyrand 11mo ago> You don't sell investors on an endeavor for 10s of billions of dollars with the endgame being "sell ads". Google is a multi trillion dollar ads company. So is meta. Don’t underestimate ads.
- Verdex 11mo agoSure, but > If that was the endgame then there are a lot less resource and capital intensive ways to get to it.
- agumonkey 11mo agoGoogle the search engine was on a down trend before. And, hallucinations aside, pagerank++ search is primitive compared to an LLM, and I wonder if people won't associate the new "natural language conversation search" to chatgpt more than google now.
- 3uler 11mo agoGoogle had a good 10 year run, where the ads were genuinely useful, until the need of the public markets required and lack of competition allowed them to enshitify the experience to the current state. I hope the same fate does not await ChatGPT but in the mean time I expect it to be a pretty good experience at first.