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Imagine having these sort of warrants hanging over your head and just casually deciding to do a little international traveling. Guys like this are constantly g

Imagine having these sort of warrants hanging over your head and just casually deciding to do a little international traveling. Guys like this are constantly getting nabbed this way. I wonder if being a wanted man for so long has some sort of psychological effect that makes people take more risks to get it over with.

pnw 1y ago
When you're living in the Russian-occupied part of Ukraine (Donetsk), I can see why you might run that risk.
- anonym29 1y ago
  This was a Ukranian national, not a Russian.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    Yes and the sealed indictment from 2012 was unsealed in 2014, the same year as the Russian invasion of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, which was also the direct trigger for Ukraine switching from a non-aligned position to seeking very close cooperation from the US. I can very easily see how home in both the narrow regional and broad national sense could have become quite risky for a number of reasons for him from 2014 on.
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - hunterpayne 1y ago
    152mm artillery shells don't care what your passport says.
anonym29 1y ago
Italian and Greek airports: the bane of otherwise untouchable slavic cybercriminals since 1994
chc4 1y ago
The human brain is just really bad at evaluating risk, especially over long periods of time. A lot of people are wanted overseas for years or even decades without anything happening, which makes it hard to maintain the mindset of being at risk without falling back to "eh, I've been fine this long"; a lot of them do foreign travel anyway and get away with it, which makes it hard to not fall into "what's one more vacation to a extradition-friendly country".
tobyjsullivan 1y ago
Hypothetically, how would someone know there was a warrant out for their arrest in another country? That doesn’t seem like public information. I figure most cyber criminals assume they are untraceable until they get arrested.
- mito88 1y ago
  interpol
  - cwillu 1y ago
    Is “interpol” public information?
    - int0x29 1y ago
      If you have friends in the FSB, yes.
    - monerozcash 1y ago
      There are many sellers on .ru language darknet forums offering Interpol and Schengen information system lookups. In many countries every single police officer has access to this, it's not very hard to corrupt one person when the only requirement is that they be any police officer.
- monerozcash 1y ago
  In this particular case the person arrested had been very publicly indicted years ago and was most certainly aware.
- flatiron 1y ago
  I got a speeding ticket in Colorado on a business trip and later moved clients and thought to myself “meh I just won’t pay it I won’t be back to Colorado any time soon” and I was stopping entering the country on a trip from the Caribbean for “outstanding warrants”. If I can get stopped for that they should know if they have real criminal charges to not play around.
irjustin 1y ago
I imagine the general assumption is that you don't realize that you've been ID'ed. That they traveled before and nothing happened so traveling again isn't a big deal because all the "tricks" they used to cover their tracks worked.
- Gibbon1 1y ago
  Friend of mine has a story from 50 years ago. Guy he knew was dealing coke. Got spooked and stopped selling. Three years later he thought it'd all blown over. Set up a another deal and got popped. Another friend that worked IT at a slaughter house said one of the bikers that worked their said, the feds aren't good at figuring you out. But when they do they never stop watching you.
  - matwood 1y ago
    There’s knowing something and building a case to prove it in court. With drugs in particular the police tend want the higher up people so will watch the others for a long time.
reisse 1y ago
From the other point of view, the abundance of stories when the high-profile criminal was catched doing something stupid, and the relative absence of ones when the criminal was catched in some clever way may mean the law enforcement is doing their job poorly.
- Polizeiposaune 1y ago
  Operation Flagship in 1985 was one of the clever ones -- US marshalls nabbed 101 wanted fugitives on a single day at a stadium, where they were expecting to receive two free tickets to an NFL game... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flagship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flagship
  - Forgeties79 1y ago
    > At least half of the 3,309 fugitives arrested in FIST VII were later released on bail Lmfao god bless America right? That reminds me of one of my favorite lines in one of my favorite movies, Thank You for Smoking. seriously if you are reading this and have not watched it, stop what you’re doing and go watch it right now. Nick Naylor’s (a tobacco lobbyist) son asks, “dad, why is America the greatest country in the world?” Nick is reading something, doesn’t look up and takes a slight beat to think about it, then just calmly responds, “our endless appeal system.” That movie is unbelievable. I know out of context that line just seems like edge lord nonsense, but Aaron Eckhardt (sp?) just sells it so hard.
    - cwillu 1y ago
      I'm curious what you think “released on bail” means?
      - jojobas 1y ago
        Released to the general population with monitoring measures often inadequate to prevent disappearance or guarantee court appearances.
      - 1y ago
johnQdeveloper 1y ago
> Sources close to the investigation say Yuriy Igorevich Rybtsov, a 41-year-old from the Russia-controlled city of Donetsk, Ukraine I don't think it was casual traveling but getting out of a wartorn country.
dbancajas 1y ago
How can you ID these guys if they get a new passport. Changed hairstyle and do some surgery to the face?
- normie3000 1y ago
  Their name and date of birth?
  - Cthulhu_ 1y ago
    With enough contacts and corrupt government officials those can be changed. Of course, there's also biometrics - since 9/11 especially the US takes your photo and fingerprint when you try to enter the country. Only a matter of time before DNA is added (honestly surprised it's not a thing yet).
- kevin_thibedeau 1y ago
  The US doesn't protect the data broker industry for nothing. Unless you go no contact with your entire past life, they'll connect the dots.
manquer 1y ago
I would imagine that is lot more likely that is just only the official story rather than what actually happens behind the scenes in these situations. In the background there could be deals with the countries protecting them or with the target directly or a existing deal they had is off now. It may even be unrelated, wasn't worth expending the diplomatic capital before, but they are a connection to someone else more important and so on. It could also be the targets were captured in a illegal way, no country wants to be diplomatically humiliated and the prosecuting one wouldn't want to disclose their covert ops capabilities. Announced News is more often only a Press Release, we shouldn't be taking them literally.
- ribosometronome 1y ago
  >captured in a illegal way Tracked down in an illegal way? Sure, quite possibly. But he's going to get a trial. If he were kidnapped out of Italy by the CIA or something, it seems like it would be hard to keep that from coming out.
  - aswegs8 1y ago
    Why should the CIA need to kidnap someone from Italy if they can just provide info about the person to the Italian govt so he gets arrested and extradited?
    - Cthulhu_ 1y ago
      If the CIA is involved it wouldn't be any regular criminal, but e.g. an international spy, someone who may even be protected by Italy for ??? reasons.
      - hnbad 1y ago
        Sure but "not a regular criminal" is a much broader group than you make it out to be. Remember the CIA was also the primary actor involved in the US's overseas bombing attacks, especially outside active war zones. Sure, a lot of the bombings targeted "terrorists" but that designation is ultimately arbitrary - especially if we're talking about people being killed in bombings of civilian areas that usually came with a lot of collateral damage (especially if you don't use the assumption that anyone who may have been a teenage or adult male is an enemy combatant), a practice that we would identify as "terrorism" if carried out by any hostile regime. He doesn't seem to have big enough of a target on his back to justify outright exploding him but that doesn't mean he's considered a "regular criminal" or that the CIA wasn't involved. That said, Occam's razor suggests it didn't require CIA involvement to catch him - he may just have been careless and unlucky.
lofaszvanitt 1y ago
Just look at the profile pics of these people and you'll get the answer. They like to show bling, have a perceived invulnerability shield around them, and like to spend the ill gotten gains.
slightwinder 1y ago
There could be errors happening outside their control. Planes are sometimes rerouted to different countries for different reasons, but mainly weather-related. I've heard stories of travel agencies f**ing up travel planes because of wrong data, and people suing them because of unexcepted stops. Or the good old "they planned for Australia, but ended in Austria"-story. Happens far too often.. There are many targets where people confuse a city or country with a different target.

pnw 1y ago

When you're living in the Russian-occupied part of Ukraine (Donetsk), I can see why you might run that risk.

anonym29 1y ago
This was a Ukranian national, not a Russian.
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  Yes and the sealed indictment from 2012 was unsealed in 2014, the same year as the Russian invasion of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, which was also the direct trigger for Ukraine switching from a non-aligned position to seeking very close cooperation from the US. I can very easily see how home in both the narrow regional and broad national sense could have become quite risky for a number of reasons for him from 2014 on.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- hunterpayne 1y ago
  152mm artillery shells don't care what your passport says.

anonym29 1y ago

Italian and Greek airports: the bane of otherwise untouchable slavic cybercriminals since 1994

chc4 1y ago

The human brain is just really bad at evaluating risk, especially over long periods of time. A lot of people are wanted overseas for years or even decades without anything happening, which makes it hard to maintain the mindset of being at risk without falling back to "eh, I've been fine this long"; a lot of them do foreign travel anyway and get away with it, which makes it hard to not fall into "what's one more vacation to a extradition-friendly country".

tobyjsullivan 1y ago

Hypothetically, how would someone know there was a warrant out for their arrest in another country? That doesn’t seem like public information. I figure most cyber criminals assume they are untraceable until they get arrested.

mito88 1y ago
interpol
- cwillu 1y ago
  Is “interpol” public information?
  - int0x29 1y ago
    If you have friends in the FSB, yes.
  - monerozcash 1y ago
    There are many sellers on .ru language darknet forums offering Interpol and Schengen information system lookups. In many countries every single police officer has access to this, it's not very hard to corrupt one person when the only requirement is that they be any police officer.
monerozcash 1y ago
In this particular case the person arrested had been very publicly indicted years ago and was most certainly aware.
flatiron 1y ago
I got a speeding ticket in Colorado on a business trip and later moved clients and thought to myself “meh I just won’t pay it I won’t be back to Colorado any time soon” and I was stopping entering the country on a trip from the Caribbean for “outstanding warrants”. If I can get stopped for that they should know if they have real criminal charges to not play around.

irjustin 1y ago

I imagine the general assumption is that you don't realize that you've been ID'ed. That they traveled before and nothing happened so traveling again isn't a big deal because all the "tricks" they used to cover their tracks worked.

Gibbon1 1y ago
Friend of mine has a story from 50 years ago. Guy he knew was dealing coke. Got spooked and stopped selling. Three years later he thought it'd all blown over. Set up a another deal and got popped. Another friend that worked IT at a slaughter house said one of the bikers that worked their said, the feds aren't good at figuring you out. But when they do they never stop watching you.
- matwood 1y ago
  There’s knowing something and building a case to prove it in court. With drugs in particular the police tend want the higher up people so will watch the others for a long time.

reisse 1y ago

From the other point of view, the abundance of stories when the high-profile criminal was catched doing something stupid, and the relative absence of ones when the criminal was catched in some clever way may mean the law enforcement is doing their job poorly.

Polizeiposaune 1y ago
Operation Flagship in 1985 was one of the clever ones -- US marshalls nabbed 101 wanted fugitives on a single day at a stadium, where they were expecting to receive two free tickets to an NFL game... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flagship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flagship
- Forgeties79 1y ago
  > At least half of the 3,309 fugitives arrested in FIST VII were later released on bail Lmfao god bless America right? That reminds me of one of my favorite lines in one of my favorite movies, Thank You for Smoking. seriously if you are reading this and have not watched it, stop what you’re doing and go watch it right now. Nick Naylor’s (a tobacco lobbyist) son asks, “dad, why is America the greatest country in the world?” Nick is reading something, doesn’t look up and takes a slight beat to think about it, then just calmly responds, “our endless appeal system.” That movie is unbelievable. I know out of context that line just seems like edge lord nonsense, but Aaron Eckhardt (sp?) just sells it so hard.
  - cwillu 1y ago
    I'm curious what you think “released on bail” means?
    - jojobas 1y ago
      Released to the general population with monitoring measures often inadequate to prevent disappearance or guarantee court appearances.
    - 1y ago

johnQdeveloper 1y ago

> Sources close to the investigation say Yuriy Igorevich Rybtsov, a 41-year-old from the Russia-controlled city of Donetsk, Ukraine I don't think it was casual traveling but getting out of a wartorn country.

dbancajas 1y ago

How can you ID these guys if they get a new passport. Changed hairstyle and do some surgery to the face?

normie3000 1y ago
Their name and date of birth?
- Cthulhu_ 1y ago
  With enough contacts and corrupt government officials those can be changed. Of course, there's also biometrics - since 9/11 especially the US takes your photo and fingerprint when you try to enter the country. Only a matter of time before DNA is added (honestly surprised it's not a thing yet).
kevin_thibedeau 1y ago
The US doesn't protect the data broker industry for nothing. Unless you go no contact with your entire past life, they'll connect the dots.

manquer 1y ago

I would imagine that is lot more likely that is just only the official story rather than what actually happens behind the scenes in these situations. In the background there could be deals with the countries protecting them or with the target directly or a existing deal they had is off now. It may even be unrelated, wasn't worth expending the diplomatic capital before, but they are a connection to someone else more important and so on. It could also be the targets were captured in a illegal way, no country wants to be diplomatically humiliated and the prosecuting one wouldn't want to disclose their covert ops capabilities. Announced News is more often only a Press Release, we shouldn't be taking them literally.

ribosometronome 1y ago
>captured in a illegal way Tracked down in an illegal way? Sure, quite possibly. But he's going to get a trial. If he were kidnapped out of Italy by the CIA or something, it seems like it would be hard to keep that from coming out.
- aswegs8 1y ago
  Why should the CIA need to kidnap someone from Italy if they can just provide info about the person to the Italian govt so he gets arrested and extradited?
  - Cthulhu_ 1y ago
    If the CIA is involved it wouldn't be any regular criminal, but e.g. an international spy, someone who may even be protected by Italy for ??? reasons.
    - hnbad 1y ago
      Sure but "not a regular criminal" is a much broader group than you make it out to be. Remember the CIA was also the primary actor involved in the US's overseas bombing attacks, especially outside active war zones. Sure, a lot of the bombings targeted "terrorists" but that designation is ultimately arbitrary - especially if we're talking about people being killed in bombings of civilian areas that usually came with a lot of collateral damage (especially if you don't use the assumption that anyone who may have been a teenage or adult male is an enemy combatant), a practice that we would identify as "terrorism" if carried out by any hostile regime. He doesn't seem to have big enough of a target on his back to justify outright exploding him but that doesn't mean he's considered a "regular criminal" or that the CIA wasn't involved. That said, Occam's razor suggests it didn't require CIA involvement to catch him - he may just have been careless and unlucky.

lofaszvanitt 1y ago

Just look at the profile pics of these people and you'll get the answer. They like to show bling, have a perceived invulnerability shield around them, and like to spend the ill gotten gains.

slightwinder 1y ago

There could be errors happening outside their control. Planes are sometimes rerouted to different countries for different reasons, but mainly weather-related. I've heard stories of travel agencies f**ing up travel planes because of wrong data, and people suing them because of unexcepted stops. Or the good old "they planned for Australia, but ended in Austria"-story. Happens far too often.. There are many targets where people confuse a city or country with a different target.