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HP SitePrint
- tech4all 1y agoCool! From HP! The robot only costs $1,500 but a two pack of extra sharpies for it costs $48,000. Before you can use it, you must install 5 petabytes of HP drivers.
- tacticalturtle 1y agoMost of the 5 petabytes is a model used to determine if your sharpies are counterfeit.
- p0w3n3d 1y agoThey remotely brick your Sharpies even if they are original because of a bug in the software
- profsummergig 1y agoDon't give them ideas.
- tguvot 1y agodo you have sharpie that won't grind down to zero on concrete after 3ft ?
- tomovo 1y agoNot on genuine HP concrete.
- tguvot 1y agoHp concrete actually exists
- rpcope1 1y agoHopefully they're using something like a paint pen with a roller and not a Sharpie the way you're thinking of it.
- tguvot 1y agoparent is the one who suggested sharpies. i'll actually bet on some variety of inkjet/spray as it will better deal with surface imperfections and won't wear out
- realitysballs 1y agoWeirdly it turns out to be cheaper/faster than paying a human being to do the same thing in use cases where you have large concrete slabs with complex walls/casework layout
- lloydjones 1y agoYou beat me to it!
- sidewndr46 1y agoDon't forget the complementary installation of Norton Antivirus
- Theodores 1y agoJoking aside, I don't believe HP developed this product, they almost certainly bought the company that makes it. My hunch? Seen these things before. I doubt it has been DRMd to hell yet, and I doubt they upgraded to show PC LOAD LETTER at all times, but why did they add this to their portfolio?
- juanre 1y agoI think they did, actually. (I worked at HP for 19 years, and I know the guy in their Barcelona site who started it.)
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- Fokamul 1y agoIt's cloud based, yep :D
- pugworthy 1y agoHP gets a lot of crap for home printer quality and ink DRM, but does still have some neat products like this. The industrial printers for example, especially the PageWide Web Press line are impressive. The T1100 is a huge beast. Then there are the life science products that can do precision dispensing of fluids for life sciences and drug discovery. Some of them also do individual single live cell dispensing.
- PaulHoule 1y ago(1) As much as people complain, home inkjet printers do a remarkable job of printing high quality art reproductions and photos at low cost relative to alternatives, (Sure offset litho is cheaper… if you are running 10,000 prints) (2) The key to this using quality materials. You’ve got to use good coated paper (which is relatively expensive.). You can mostly trust OEM ink although I found low-end EcoTank printers use ink that fades in six months although the higher end models like the ET-8550 are better. Look at forums and you will find many versions of “I was trying to print borderless and all I got was this inksplosion” and the common denominator is third party inks. There could be testing of third party inks that proves they are comparable to or even superior too the OEM links but as it is there is no testing because… they target a consumer who doesn’t care.
- curiousgal 1y agoIt's not about the technology itself, it's about everything that surrounds it, the software, the commercial side. I will go out of my way to avoid HP.
- crote 1y agoThe fundamental problem with home inkjet printing is that people just don't print that much. The average home user probably wants to print a set of 10 holiday pictures once a year. This means that every time they want to print those ink cartridges will be dried out and have clogged print heads - so they have to buy an expensive set of new cartridges to replace their barely-used ones. It is why laser printing is so often suggested for home users: you can let a printer rot for several years and still reliably print a couple of dozen pages when you finally need it again. The downside is that they do a rather poor job at printing photos so now there are even fewer reasons to use it, and you only need it once every couple of years to print out a contract to sign or something. I've personally given up on owning printers. They don't make the rock-solid HP / Brother workhorses anymore, and I can't be bothered to deal with all the proprietary "smart" crap they are pushing these days. If I want something printed, I'll just go to the local library.
- PaulHoule 1y agoIn the 1980s there were “turtle graphics” robots if LOGO wasn’t real enough for you,
- bitwize 1y agoThe Logo Turtle was originally a robot. The on-screen turtle was added later to make Logo and its pedagogy economical for the computers schools were likely to have (a single Apple II per classroom, if that).
- ianbicking 1y agoI remembered hearing a podcast about a startup robotics company doing the same thing; a little search and they actually have a comparison page between their product and HP's: https://www.dustyrobotics.com/compare/fieldprinter-vs-siteprint https://www.dustyrobotics.com/compare/fieldprinter-vs-sitepr...
- qingcharles 1y agoThank you. I wondered immediately on seeing this if HP had just acquired those guys.
- stronglikedan 1y agoSo Dusty is for SMBs and SitePrint is for clueless Corporations, like Oracle.
- 1970-01-01 1y agoTake your pick: If you give it a big job, it freezes halfway and just spins its wheels as fast as it can until you unplug it. It refuses to paint yellow lines when it's out of blue paint. It asks you for feedback after doing any and every job. It doesn't have good Linux support. It has no off button. The only modes are printing, standby at half power, or unplugged. When you want to just print a small blue square on the floor, it makes xxxjuukkktsssssruuuuukkkttt sounds for 5 minutes, pauses for another 2, zooms at max speed to the location on the floor, pauses for 10 seconds, and begins doing the actual job it was designed to do, but does it in a shade of blueish brown.
- sfortis 1y ago+ If your subscription expires while it's printing, it freezes and you have to carry it back home.
- parl_match 1y agoepic slashdot post fellow redditor. here, have this thinkgeek tshirt that says "no i will not fix your printer". le epic
- Fokamul 1y ago...printing is cloud based and subscription only... Edit: (I was joking and it's really cloud based, omfg)
- paranoidrobot 1y agoIt gets half-way through the job, but runs out of paint. You load the new paint but instead of continuing, it fills the entire site with a big test print that uses 10% of the paint. Randomly, it'll run a head cleaning cycle that involves spraying large amounts of paint into the neighbour's driveway before cleaning itself on their lawn.
- tdeck 1y agoSeems like a missed opportunity. Why not fill a built in sponge with that paint instead, and when the sponge is fully saturated it's time to throw out the whole machine and buy another one?
- ge96 1y agoI wonder if this is in collaboration with this group This one called Dusty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pq2ZG19hGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pq2ZG19hGg Oh nice someone else mentioned it
- stephenlf 1y agoCompetitor
- hollowturtle 1y agoDon't forget to subscribe for monthly Ink Cartridges for your robot XD
- slater 1y agoAnyone know what this thing does...?
- jondiggsit 1y agoAs a high-end residential GC, I'm very interested in this product. We have incorporated Leica Totalstation and BLK360 into our projects. It assists confirming layouts, as-built conditions, and communicating with design professionals working remotely.
- realitysballs 1y agoWe find it pencils out on jobs with large OH /pan deck slabs or SOGs over 12000SF
- smw 1y agoWhat are the costs like on those scanners? They look amazing!
- MrMorden 1y agoIt's easy enough to add Leica cameras to your Leica Geosystems deployment, but then you need to do geotechncial work in-house so that you can complete the Leica trifecta.
- mmooss 1y agoWhat is the value to you of making the SitePrint automated (robotic)? Would it take that much human time to push one of these around? Is it precision?
- matt_lo 1y agoColor ink sold separately
- guluarte 1y agoRobot: $1,500 Refills: $5,000
- silver911r 1y agoI see some similarities in design here. https://www.rvpartscountry.com/32326-thetford.html https://www.rvpartscountry.com/32326-thetford.html
- seemaze 1y agoAs a specialized commercial contractor and former large format printer, I won't touch HP equipment with 10 ft. pole saw..
- teeray 1y agoI can only see this getting used by very large scale contractors. Framers for your standard house are probably just going to keep using chalk lines (maybe a laser line too these days). "Precision up to +/- 1/32 inch" really isn't necessary in framing.
- brudgers 1y agoSome small builders probably will because it will make business sense for their specific business. And others will because some builders are as attracted to gee-whiz its new and shiny as in any other business.
- Groxx 1y agoagreed, though I can see it making some sense in those specific situations, e.g.: >PCL reduces cost by 86% on interior curved lines layout at Vancouver airport for random bits of complicated-shape fashion in a giant flat open area, I can see how it could almost immediately pay for itself. that said... at that point it's probably competing with "we put a projector on the ceiling for a day, and went over the lines with chalk". which is quite cheap.
- jumpkick 1y agoI wonder how it avoids pipes stubbed up through the slab, or electrical EMT, etc. or how it avoids mistakes made during the rough-in. What if the plumber missed a drain or supply by an inch? Guessing the robot doesn't adjust its outline. I.e. if a sewer stub is wrong by a few inches, the wall needs to be moved to fit the toilet, or the slab needs to be busted up and the sewer line relocated. I suppose if it gets some of this wrong, it'll be obvious, and a human can correct it.
- realitysballs 1y agoYou have adjusts due to its detectors and it has a prism on it and is being continuously tracked by a total station. It can correct course due to deviations in floor surface or obstructions pretty well.
- brudgers 1y agoThe concern is not the course, but the ability to adjust a layout due to deviations from the plan due to normal construction errors. For example a pipe might not be in the location shown on plan for many reasons ranging from simple human error to a delta between the plan location when the pipe was layed and the time the robot got its data…keep in mind that when the pipe went in there was only dirt, not anything to accept ink.
- uqual 1y agoAnd it's good to catch that error ASAP. But at that point it's back to engineering to figure out what to do (leave the pipe where it is and adjust around it _or_ move the pipe - possibly cutting concrete and perhaps untensioning/retensioning post-tensioned cables at substantial delay/cost) or move the piece of equipment that the penetration is serving. One nice thing about automation like this is that the "as built" plans are more likely to be accurate because the only way to get "the computer" and "the robot" to stop squawking is to change the plans they are operating off of. If this can't handle dirt surfaces, future generations/models probably will if there's demand. Perhaps such models would use spray paint/stencils or driving pins into the ground for marking purposes (or something more practical - I'm a software guy and this sounds like a hardware problem!). My experience is with small residential builds but I would hope on large projects the location of each "unmovable" pipe/conduit etc that will end up penetrating a slab is already carefully verified before the next step is taken (such as placing concrete). Hopefully this is done with a total station rather than guys with chalk lines and tape measures. But a solution like this could reduce manual checking mistakes (of course, it's less likely to result in an experienced subcontractor noticing that the plan must be wrong because there's no reason for a conduit for 1KV electrical cables to come up 2cm away from a toilet trap in a multi-stall public bathroom - GIGO).
- hmartin 1y agoAnyone know of a small DIY equivalent for e.g. room sized layout?
- nevi-me 1y agoI could have benefited from this in the construction of our house. Riddled with inaccuracies, the engineer signed off on the foundations, but we found out when the walls were up that the builders used the internal dimensions as exterior dimensions. So our house is smaller by ~250mm on each side. We had to make so many compromises and wastages as a result. Bathrooms now smaller if we want to keep other rooms the same, bathtubs couldn't fit, aw man. Then when the house went up to 2nd and 3rd levels, the staircase was narrow and wasn't connecting between the levels. That alone delayed us by 3 months as we had to get the architect to build a 3D model of the affected area so we could figure it out. We have to hoist furniture up through balconies as it can't fit through the stairs. I think having some machinery that minimises human error would be very helpful.
- muppetman 1y agoOk and I thought having our inground pool installed crooked was bad. Where you able to get any legal/financial clawbacks because of all the hassle?
- pavel_lishin 1y agoTranslating for folks not natively familiar with millimeters - this is 25cm, or about ~10 inches. Doesn't sound like a lot, but you're losing a foot and a half across a dimension of a house. That's very easily into the "Bathtub doesn't fit" territory.
- LeifCarrotson 1y agoIt's probably the thickness of the foundation wall.
- _carbyau_ 1y agoThe kicker is "on each side". So the house is now [50cm | half a metre | 20 inches] shorter length overall in "both" commonly rectangular dimensions. Take any room in your house and remove that much from it and tell me it doesn't detract from the room....
- TheSoftwareGuy 1y ago
- simlevesque 1y ago## How it works ### CAD preparation 1. You need a 2D CAD file. If you have a 3D model, convert it into a 2D .dxf CAD file. 2. Insert additional printing information and instructions and use the HP Plug-in to get a robot-ready file. 3. Save the 2D .dxf CAD file into the cloud. Maintain version control and share revisions with field operators. ### Site Preparations 1. Clear layout area as for manual layout. No need for a broom-swept floor. 2. Make sure that control points used for Robotic Total Station setup are accurately marked. The layout is as accurate as the control points. ### Solution setup 1. Set up the Robotic Total Station and shoot the control points. 2. Lock the Robotic Total Station to the robot tracking prism. 3. Connect the Robotic Total Station wirelessly to HP SitePrint through the user interface (tablet, phone, laptop, etc.). ### Job execution 1. Open the CAD file on the control panel, select the print area, and submit the job. 2. Maintain a line of sight between the robot tracking prism and the Robotic Total Station. 3. Choose between different inks for different types of layouts. 4. The robot avoids collisions with obstacles. 5. HP SitePrint is robust enough to work on rough and bumpy surfaces. ### End-to-End management 1. HP SitePrint cloud allows sharing of the latest CAD files with all stakeholders, so you can monitor job progress from the office and manage accounting reports.
- saltcured 1y agoI was almost expecting to see a 3D printer with very expensive cement cartridges.
- airtonix 1y agoNot sure what the point of this is. 3d printed houses are here and make this irrelevant
- rkagerer 1y agoI saw the title and hoped someone had finally built a tool that can correctly print websites with fidelity.
- bitwize 1y agoLogo Turtle: Enterprise Edition. Can only be used with special DRM'd HP pencils. Must download and register with the app after it draws 25m of lines to continue use.
- bigbuppo 1y agoCosts only $149.99 but refills are $279,415.37, but if pay a monthly subscription at a quarter of that they send you a new time-locked cartridge every month.
- jonplackett 1y agoYeah but how much does the ink cost…
- junaru 1y agoFrom the "How HP SitePrint works" video: > Uploading to HP SitePrint Cloud No thanks.
- Hackbraten 1y agoI read the marketing blurb twice but still have no idea what this is for. It draws on the floor for construction projects? Why? Either there's no building or there's a building. If there's no building, then where does it draw on? If the building is already there, then what's the drawing for?
- crote 1y agoIt's for the phase where there is part of a building. Specifically, when your building looks like [0] - so basically just an empty concrete shell. With a lot of commercial buildings it is up to the tenant to install the interior walls, as everyone will have slightly different requirements. The Twin Towers were a great example of this: all of the structural support was done in the exterior walls and the center core, so you had a huge empty space you could fill in however you wanted. The robot draws on the bare concrete floor, so all the carpenters, plumbers, electricians, and hvac technicians will install their stuff in the right place. Turns out having to rework your plans because someone installed a big expensive pipe in the wrong place is a huge hassle... [0]: https://as1.ftcdn.net/jpg/09/64/72/08/1000_F_964720843_sLWAmXew8lthPBM6EjkjL5C4sMSqBW3H.jpg https://as1.ftcdn.net/jpg/09/64/72/08/1000_F_964720843_sLWAm...
- Hackbraten 1y agoThank you!
- NuclearPM 1y agoI’m trying to put myself in your shoes here, but I don’t understand how you wouldn’t know that (no building) to (building) isn’t a single step.
- Hackbraten 1y agoI just couldn't imagine any phase during construction where there's a floor that can be drawn on but no walls. Another commenter explained that this is actually about drywalls that are installed after the fact, which makes much more sense now.
- hoistbypetard 1y agoThis looks like a physical manifestation of a the "Logo" environment we had in our elementary school computer lab. https://logothings.github.io/logothings/AppleLogo.html https://logothings.github.io/logothings/AppleLogo.html
- Karliss 1y agoDrawing turtle bots have a history almost as long as Logo https://blog.adafruit.com/2018/05/03/the-history-of-turtle-bots-part-1-hardware/ https://blog.adafruit.com/2018/05/03/the-history-of-turtle-b...
- Lammy 1y agoThe landing page and FAQ heavily imply that HP's cloud service is the only way to control the thing. Spec sheet shows the robot as having “Connectivity: Bluetooth, 4G, WiFi”, so it can connect to the cell network directly: https://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/getpdf.aspx/c08982823.pdf https://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/getpdf.aspx/c08982823.pdf Landing page sez “How HP SitePrint works: Use the HP plugin to get a robot-ready file … Save the 2D .dxf file into the cloud”. FAQ agrees, under “How do I control the robotic layout solution?” https://www.hp.com/us-en/printers/site-print/layout-robot/faq.html https://www.hp.com/us-en/printers/site-print/layout-robot/fa... If HP cloud is the only way, is there a Privacy Policy for this? Would HP store the DXF beyond the time the layout gets uploaded and the robot finishes printing? Are they storing data from other sensors? Data from RTS? If they are storing anything, are they also selling them, or selling conclusions drawn from them?
- ansgri 1y agoI wouldn’t be surprised if many construction sites have no way to get reliable internet connection without adding complex infrastructure: think of an underground parking with poor cellular coverage even on surface (in a country without Starlink support for extra difficulty).
- reaperducer 1y agoPC LOAD LUMBER
- ghshephard 1y agoAbout 20 years ago I was working in IT, and I was responsible for the physical build out (from a shell) of 599 North Mathilda, Sunnyvale - The foundations and outer walls/roof were up - but nothing inside. I had responsibility (working with consultants who did this for a living) to work with the project manager, and architect/GC. All of the datacenters (back when companies put data-centers in their buildings), IDFs, MDFs. The MDF in particular was complex as it combined the floors IDF + the buildings MDF/telco connections, punchdowns, and a massive Nortel Option51c set of cabinets. We carefully laid out the room - measuring the minimal possible distance for cable techs to get in between the racks. Everything was designed down to the 1/4" in the room. I showed up (mostly randomly) with a tape measure during construction - internal walls were up - and they were off by almost 14" - which would have made the internals almost unusable for their original purpose. They had to tear down their framing, pull everything out - thankfully before any electrics/racks/hvac had been put in place. Having something like this would have greatly reduced that possibility. Bet they end up on every site (if they aren't already).
- jedberg 1y agoHah, I briefly worked in that building! Never dealt with the MDF/IDF though, was just doing software at that point.
- seemaze 1y agoUnfortunately not much has changed in 20 years
- Propelloni 1y agoCan confirm.
- b112 1y agoWas there ever a 'why' given? Did someone not take into account the width of the framing or something weird?
- Krasnol 1y agoAfter my professional experience with their printers, I won’t touch anything coming from that company ever again. I can very well imagine how they can build in massive amounts of new enshitification methods to make you pay even more.
- brcmthrowaway 1y agoJust use a drone with a laser
- Fokamul 1y agoHP lol, yeah sure. I wouldn't touch anything HP with 100m long pole. I imagine soon they could implement something like this... "Robot error, you've reached wear & tear limit on your left wheel: 1 mile. Please buy a new wheel from HP shop, Price: $2999" "Robot error, looks like your new wheel is not compatible with your old right wheel. Please buy a new right wheel..." "Robot error, you've reached recharge limit of 50 cycles, on your internal robot battery..."
- mikeiz404 1y ago> Enjoy a pay as you go model… No matter how big or small your business is. HP SitePrint has bundled a comprehensive support contract into a pay as you go usage rate, so you only pay for what you use. It sounds like HP is continuing to go the subscription route to use one of these “printers”.
- joezydeco 1y agoIt's a workable solution to a large problem with these devices. Do you spend $75,000* on one of these when you only use it once a week or once a month? (* just a wild ass guess. I have no idea what this thing costs)
- mikebonnell 1y agoGotta love /s how inconsistent they are with punctuations.
- paranoidrobot 1y agoIt's really amazing to see how far HP has fallen. They used to make brilliant printers that were top-quality, easy to service, and overall met the whole "Just Works" thing. Then some time in the late 90s/early 2000s they let the bean counters at it, and they've become the poster child of terrible product design optimised to extract the maximum revenue at all costs from customers. I honestly don't care how revolutionary or awesome a product is - if it's from HP I'm staying away, and would recommend everyone else to do so. The company deserves to die.
- quantumcotton 1y agoIt's actually not bad the issue is you need perfect prep and conditions. We don't pour concrete underneath covers very often. They need it to be perfectly broom, swept and clean. They also need to cover over it just in case to moisture humidity gets down. Once it prints it does stay. Dusty is a little bit better. The benefit is HP works off of Trimble so if you're in that ecosystem. Trimble changed their business model so they've increased their profits but they haven't gained any more clients. Essentially they've learned how to double how much they make off of everyone. You can shoot control off some of these generic models now that cost like four grand and they work just as good. That's less than Trimble subscription cost. I can only imagine the hp bundle coming soon.
- Jordan-117 1y agohttps://theonion.com/hp-offers-that-cloud-thing-everyone-is-talking-about-1819595260/ https://theonion.com/hp-offers-that-cloud-thing-everyone-is-...
- benterix 1y agoI'll buy it if Brother produces it. HP is a synonym of something else for me.