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There's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of vote

There's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of voters in their 20s and 30s for whom support for Israel a red line in candidates. But older generations tend to be staunchly in favor of Israel, and too much of the gerontocratic political class thinks that pro-Israel uber alles is the key to winning votes. It is worth noting that Andrew Cuomo, in a desperate last-minute gamble to boost support in the NYC mayoral race, has come out against Israel. Considering that much of the attacks on Mamdani have focused on his support for Palestine (construing him as antisemitic), it's notable that other candidates also seem to think that being anti-Israel is actually the vote winner for moderates right now.

flyinglizard 1y ago
That gap between support of Israel across age groups existed historically AFAIK, although the margins were narrower. More worrying for Israel is that it's becoming a partisan issue. That goes to both ends - previously unthinkable, unwavering support under Republicans but a very short leash under the Democrats.
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > More worrying for Israel is that it's becoming a partisan issue. A highly salient political issue becoming partisan is a good thing in a representative democracy, as that is the only thing that makes it possible for the public to influence it by general election votes.
  - throwaway3060 1y ago
    In FPTP, this often ends up backfiring. A politicized issue quickly becomes a polarized issue - the other side takes the opposite view, and both sides then race to the extremes. Compromise becomes less and less possible, because then each side sees it as a defeat. Nothing ends up done.
    - bluGill 1y ago
      Worse there is always more than one issue. Now I can't even find someone in my own party to support as the race has brought them all the same way on this. And so I either support one of them anyway for other issues or I leave.
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      > In FPTP, this often ends up backfiring. Every possible alignment of circumstances “backfires” in FPTP because FPTP is a fundamentally bad way to elect a legislature. That’s not a problem of, e.g., salient political issues becoming partisan—representing a coherent position on salient issues is the only useful thing parties can do—it is a problem of FPTP.
sfink 1y ago
I wouldn't label this as "support for Israel"/"against Israel". One can support Israel without supporting Israel's current approach. Many within Israel are not happy with Netanyahu's methods, and presumably they are not against Israel. I understand that that's the current shorthand, but it seems inaccurate and unnecessarily polarizing to me.
- caycep 1y ago
  This is what puzzles me - ppl keep railing about being pro or anti Israel and it's overly simplistic and also not really accurately describing things. It's more pro/anti Likud or Kahanists, or really at heart a right vs left wing divide. There's still plenty of Labor or more progressive elements of the Israeli public who are against what Netanyahu and his political allies are doing.
  - throwaway3060 1y ago
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  - throw310822 1y ago
    Israel was literally born out of political scheming to get assigned a portion of someone else's territory for an exclusive ethno-nationalistic state; then out of ethnically cleansing that territory. It was necessary to the project and planned in advanced. You can be for the existence of a peaceful Israel that has entirely retreated within recognised borders and made amends for its past genocidal behaviour- but it's not what the current Israel is or, sadly, can ever be. > There's still plenty of Labor or more progressive elements of the Israeli public who are against... No. Not at all.
    - klipt 1y ago
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      - throw310822 1y ago
        > Shouldn't similar preconditions of making amends apply to whether or not we accept the existence of those Arab states? And what if they should? Do you think it make Israel's genocide look better now? Stop trying to change the subject or shift the blame, it's a trick and it's pathetic.
8note 1y ago
whats actually going on with the mayoral race? is cuomo running as an independent against mamdani?
- nobody9999 1y ago
  https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2025/09/10/mamdani-holds-double-digit-lead-over-cuomo-in-emerson-poll https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2025/09/10/mamdani-hol...
rgblambda 1y ago
Mossad have actually warned the Netanyahu government of this, saying U.S support for Israel is slipping away and now might be the best time to implement a two state solution, while it can still be as one sided as possible in favour of Israel. Netanyahu has chosen to ignore this.
- tiahura 1y ago
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_DeadFred_ 1y ago
And my mom's hippie generation loved the PLO and Arafat, and my generation supported Israel. Israel existed through it all.
tdeck 1y ago
For those who don't know, Cuomo volunteered last year (apropos of nothing, he doesn't have relevant experience) to defend Netanyahu in the ICC. So any "change of mind" he might be expressing now is a little bit... Suspect. https://nypost.com/2024/11/25/us-news/andrew-cuomo-joins-high-powered-legal-team-to-defend-netanyahu-against-icc/ https://nypost.com/2024/11/25/us-news/andrew-cuomo-joins-hig...
corimaith 1y ago
The thing about the progressive younger generation is that their voting choices have made things progressively worse for themselves in the last 15 years. It's hard to say that the underlying worldview that supplants a anti-Israel position is particularly sustainable domestically long term. To be fair, it's the same thing for foreign policy, the anti-neocons have failed just as bad. And as for the Right, it's primarily isolationism, but they certainly aren't going to favoring Palestine over Israel anytime. That's already hedged in. At the end of day, it largely goes against of the interests of every actor not aligned with Iran or seeking stability to let Israel fall in favour of Palestine. We do need that hard power when America is retreating from the region.
seivan 1y ago
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flyinglizard 1y ago

That gap between support of Israel across age groups existed historically AFAIK, although the margins were narrower. More worrying for Israel is that it's becoming a partisan issue. That goes to both ends - previously unthinkable, unwavering support under Republicans but a very short leash under the Democrats.

dragonwriter 1y ago
> More worrying for Israel is that it's becoming a partisan issue. A highly salient political issue becoming partisan is a good thing in a representative democracy, as that is the only thing that makes it possible for the public to influence it by general election votes.
- throwaway3060 1y ago
  In FPTP, this often ends up backfiring. A politicized issue quickly becomes a polarized issue - the other side takes the opposite view, and both sides then race to the extremes. Compromise becomes less and less possible, because then each side sees it as a defeat. Nothing ends up done.
  - bluGill 1y ago
    Worse there is always more than one issue. Now I can't even find someone in my own party to support as the race has brought them all the same way on this. And so I either support one of them anyway for other issues or I leave.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > In FPTP, this often ends up backfiring. Every possible alignment of circumstances “backfires” in FPTP because FPTP is a fundamentally bad way to elect a legislature. That’s not a problem of, e.g., salient political issues becoming partisan—representing a coherent position on salient issues is the only useful thing parties can do—it is a problem of FPTP.

sfink 1y ago

I wouldn't label this as "support for Israel"/"against Israel". One can support Israel without supporting Israel's current approach. Many within Israel are not happy with Netanyahu's methods, and presumably they are not against Israel. I understand that that's the current shorthand, but it seems inaccurate and unnecessarily polarizing to me.

caycep 1y ago
This is what puzzles me - ppl keep railing about being pro or anti Israel and it's overly simplistic and also not really accurately describing things. It's more pro/anti Likud or Kahanists, or really at heart a right vs left wing divide. There's still plenty of Labor or more progressive elements of the Israeli public who are against what Netanyahu and his political allies are doing.
- throwaway3060 1y ago
  [flagged]
- throw310822 1y ago
  Israel was literally born out of political scheming to get assigned a portion of someone else's territory for an exclusive ethno-nationalistic state; then out of ethnically cleansing that territory. It was necessary to the project and planned in advanced. You can be for the existence of a peaceful Israel that has entirely retreated within recognised borders and made amends for its past genocidal behaviour- but it's not what the current Israel is or, sadly, can ever be. > There's still plenty of Labor or more progressive elements of the Israeli public who are against... No. Not at all.
  - klipt 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - throw310822 1y ago
      > Shouldn't similar preconditions of making amends apply to whether or not we accept the existence of those Arab states? And what if they should? Do you think it make Israel's genocide look better now? Stop trying to change the subject or shift the blame, it's a trick and it's pathetic.

8note 1y ago

whats actually going on with the mayoral race? is cuomo running as an independent against mamdani?

nobody9999 1y ago
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2025/09/10/mamdani-holds-double-digit-lead-over-cuomo-in-emerson-poll https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2025/09/10/mamdani-hol...

rgblambda 1y ago

Mossad have actually warned the Netanyahu government of this, saying U.S support for Israel is slipping away and now might be the best time to implement a two state solution, while it can still be as one sided as possible in favour of Israel. Netanyahu has chosen to ignore this.

tiahura 1y ago
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_DeadFred_ 1y ago

And my mom's hippie generation loved the PLO and Arafat, and my generation supported Israel. Israel existed through it all.

tdeck 1y ago

For those who don't know, Cuomo volunteered last year (apropos of nothing, he doesn't have relevant experience) to defend Netanyahu in the ICC. So any "change of mind" he might be expressing now is a little bit... Suspect. https://nypost.com/2024/11/25/us-news/andrew-cuomo-joins-high-powered-legal-team-to-defend-netanyahu-against-icc/ https://nypost.com/2024/11/25/us-news/andrew-cuomo-joins-hig...

corimaith 1y ago

The thing about the progressive younger generation is that their voting choices have made things progressively worse for themselves in the last 15 years. It's hard to say that the underlying worldview that supplants a anti-Israel position is particularly sustainable domestically long term. To be fair, it's the same thing for foreign policy, the anti-neocons have failed just as bad. And as for the Right, it's primarily isolationism, but they certainly aren't going to favoring Palestine over Israel anytime. That's already hedged in. At the end of day, it largely goes against of the interests of every actor not aligned with Iran or seeking stability to let Israel fall in favour of Palestine. We do need that hard power when America is retreating from the region.

seivan 1y ago

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