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I don’t think parading out engineers in shackles for a photo op was a good idea. From another article: > Images of South Koreans being shackled at the wrists

I don’t think parading out engineers in shackles for a photo op was a good idea. From another article: > Images of South Koreans being shackled at the wrists and ankles have caused outrage in South Korea, a key U.S. ally in Asia that has pledged hundreds of billions in U.S. investment as part of tariff negotiations. It’s just not smart, not good politics and not good business.

MBCook 1y ago
> It’s just not smart, not good politics and not good business. So in other words SOP
- cwmoore 1y ago
  Separate Our Priorities
- malcolmgreaves 1y ago
  *SOP for Republicans whenever they get ahold of government.
  - vuthery 1y ago
    [flagged]
standardUser 1y ago
Police in the US are way too quick to handcuff people. It should be reserved for violent or aggressive suspects, or at least require formal justification as is required in much of Europe. Police here will take a calm and cooperative person and rob them of their most fundamental human right, merely as a convenience.
- scotty79 1y ago
  It's hard to tell if handling cooperative person in handcuffs is more convenient than without handcuffs.
  - standardUser 1y ago
    No one is cooperating once they are cuffed if they have one iota of sense. Suddenly, the state is their enemy and their only concern should be contacting a lawyer.
- toasted-subs 1y ago
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- 14 1y ago
  I do see there undoubtedly is a lot of crazy policing happening but I also am sure a lot of it is because those types of incidents are what get the views. I know there are countless police interactions where they are kind and chill but that is boring to watch. Not saying the violence should get a pass just that I believe there are many good officers out there that do address issues calmly and are not quick to jump someone.
- flowerthoughts 1y ago
  I saw a body cam video on Youtube yesterday (which wasn't outrageous, so I doubt it was one of the fake ones.) It might have been edited to seem more out-of-line than it was, but I don't think it matters. In it, a wife had died in the shower, and the husband and his father had been inside the house while the shower was on, but "had not talked to her." Naturally, suspicions arose and they wanted to talk more to the husband, but the way the officers continued to rile up the father, who was probably in chock after finding out his son might be a murderer, was just pure unprofessionalism. They could have taken a step back, or avoided being four officers against one father, or any other obvious technique to de-escalate, but nope. Just continue pushing, arguing and believing that "doing our job" never means re-assessing the approach. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVo8PRRkWHc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVo8PRRkWHc Edit: spelling
- NooneAtAll3 1y ago
  such procedures don't appear from thin air - they indicate low trust toward citizens (or at least the worst cases of them) whether in the present, or in the past
- southernplaces7 1y ago
  Be very careful to consider the possibility of selection bias at work. More interactions with police than ever gain media attention, social media virality and this especially applies to the cases where the encounter is recorded on video (increasingly common due to body and phone cams too). It's become more easy than ever to do such a thing and Of these, guess which ones get the most media exposure. The dramatic ones, either with police aggression or aggression from the civilian in the encounter. But even all of these that emerge in a given year taken together amount to only a minuscule fraction of the likely millions of times per year in which police talk to people or question them with nothing but boring civility all around. Even if we account for a certain percentage of police encounters with unwarranted police aggression not being reported or going viral, it would still be a tiny minority compared to the vast majority that go the other way. I mention this because just the other day in a YT documentary I saw about a woman who disappeared under an air of mystery (link below for the curious) and it incidentally showed body cam footage of her own interaction under unusual circumstances with a police officer who could have easily been much more suspicious considering how he found her shortly before she disappeared, for reasons unrelated to that cop. It was the picture of politeness. Because the focus of the documentary wasn't highlighting police aggression, it gave a glimpse into how many recorded police encounters go in situations where they don't later become the focus of social media threads about bad cops. None of the above is to excuse cops acting badly, or excuse how often they get used for shitty, pseudo-authoritarian social control, or to claim that they don't have too much authority to get away with it when it does happen, but it's useful for perspective on how often these things happen and how likely they really are for most normal contexts (you not being someone doing something notably obnoxious, not being in situations where you're likely to interact with especially suspicious cops, etc) Also, i'm sort of excluding ICE from the above. At least lately, those guys seem to be pervasive dicks by wide mandate in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r8txP3aqmQ&t=4346s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r8txP3aqmQ&t=4346s
  - standardUser 1y ago
    I'm not reading that, but I know many people who have been handcuffed and detained for non-violent, non-aggressive transgressions. It is normal operating procedure in the US (but not the rest of the Western world).
dd36 1y ago
It’s good for the fossil fuel industry and that’s why it was done.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > It’s good for the fossil fuel industry and that’s why it was done How? (I’m really trying here.)
  - triceratops 1y ago
    They raided a battery manufacturing facility. That's what I guess GP meant.
jfengel 1y ago
It may not be smart or good business but it's great politics. It's easy to blame foreigners for any perceived wrong, especially if they're breaking the rules. Your constituents believe that you're setting things right. It will undoubtedly have negative financial effect on those same constituents, but there's always someone else to arrest and take the blame. It's fantastic politics.
- seanmcdirmid 1y ago
  Even if they aren’t breaking the rules, you just make your visa policies complicated enough that you can say they might be breaking rules and your constituents will just eat it all up. Meanwhile South Korea decides getting closer to China might be the better course of action.
  - ponector 1y ago
    >> Meanwhile South Korea decides getting closer to China might be the better course of action. Good for them. If USA is not a reliable ally anymore, not a surprise there are active talks on free trade agreement between China, Japan and Korea.
- csomar 1y ago
  I don’t think that’s the issue here? The workers were breaking the laws, unacceptable, but there is little evidence that they are a danger to society or the agents handling them. There could have been much better ways to handle this or maybe, hmm, not televise for the whole world to see. It was done to humiliate. Period.
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    Exactly. The reason this was bad politics is that it created more pain than was necessary for the desired gain. If Trump wanted leverage in negotiations and to appear strong on immigration... fine. But there are so many ways of accomplishing that that didn't also alienate and piss off an ally to the extent this perp photo shoot did. Hell, the government could have just politely detained them, put out a big splashy press release, then worked with the South Korean embassy to repatriate them. Same benefit, fewer hard feelings. In contrast, as a result now there's going to be much higher government and South Korean domestic pushback on exactly the kind of US investment Trump wants. It's one thing when someone does something distasteful but gets benefit out of going that far. It's another when they do it because they're inept. The only people this excess played well for was Trump's base, and as others pointed out, there are plenty of less trade sensitive immigrant groups that could have been substituted, if that was the goal.
ProAm 1y ago
If I were Hyundai and had the cash to spare I would close and tear down the facility.
- mcphage 1y ago
  Why? They can just lock the doors.
  - overfeed 1y ago
    If the doors are locked, another manufacturer may take over the site. If spite/punishment is the motivation, tearing it down has maximum impact.
sleepyguy 1y ago
ICE has bravely rescued us from the menace of people building battery factories. Forget fentanyl, trafficking, or violent crime—our real existential threat was clearly a few Korean engineers with power tools. Obviously, they were biding their time before graduating to cartel kingpins. And thank heavens the plant won’t be finished—who actually wants it and the jobs, infrastructure, etc it would bring. Sleep well, folks—America is saved, one deported factory worker at a time.
- Scoundreller 1y ago
  The bit that gets me is another country is kinda handing over its technology to USA, so why get in the way? When US engineers went to China to offshore US factories there, I doubt China got in the way. Probably watched with heavy interest but definitely not hindered in any way.
  - fnordpiglet 1y ago
    It’s the other end of the spectrum from migrants from other countries doing the large scale manual labor for little pay by American standards, but high pay by their own. Ultimately everyone benefits. It’s not about economics. It’s about racism and nationalism through and through. You can’t look at it with a rationalist lens or it can’t make sense. The issue is the dilution of a perceived whiteness of the American identity being threatened by non-white immigration. It doesn’t matter why the Korean workers were here or how tenuous or nonexistent the immigration violation claims were. It matters they weren’t white. For proof, which hasn’t been particularly hidden, see the extreme efforts to create a false narrative (including the president confronting a foreign leader with photographs from a completely different country) of white persecution in South Africa and a recalibration of refugee program to prioritize white South Africans. It’s the whole “reverse discrimination” malarkey (as if discrimination is structurally one way) playing out with fabrication and lies since they couldn’t find real facts. A rationalist argument can’t be found, because it’s not rational - it’s just racist nationalism. This is going to be remembered in history globally as one of the embarrassing low points that beggars the question of American moral standing , which is likewise a fallacious tu quoque argument. What’s going on ignores the fact the founding fathers were enlightenment liberal humanists of the extreme degree, and while creatures of their time, endeavored hard to establish a construct in the constitution and bill of rights a system that will eventually and stably arrive at an ideal liberal humanist society. They recognized with pretty clear sightedness their own imperfections in this regard and recognized society changes slowly, but believed the constitution and bill of rights would make the change inexorable. I for one agree after studying it for some time. This means this aberration we see today, which is reminiscent of Sulla’s attack on the Roman republic, was well planned for an accounted for. They knew clearly and better than we do the natural tendency of man, and specifically corrupt ambitious racist theologists as their time was steeped in, and built a system that mean reverts always towards a liberal humanist outcome. The question to my mind is will I live to see the damage undone and is my daughter equipped to right the ship in her life time.
lvspiff 1y ago
It feels like this was more done initially to meet a quota. Lady reports to ICE she thinks illegals working there. ICE does some sorta check and realized there might be an issue with a couple and extrapolated it to all Asians working in the facility. Saw a big juicy chance to roll out the team and detain a ton of people thinking it make Bondi and Trump happy. Now Trump is stuck looking weak to Koreans (and in turn china and India) or weak to his base depending on who he sides with which right now looks to be his base.
- dboreham 1y ago
  Yeah no.
  - ziftface 1y ago
    Do you have another explanation?
dfxm12 1y ago
It was probably good for white nationalists like Trump, his party and their voters though. They also don't seem to be interested in doing what's best for business.
- robbingtherob 1y ago
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brundolf 1y ago
I honestly don't think this administration wants economic allies
- fnordpiglet 1y ago
  s/economic//g
- nielsbot 1y ago
  It's fascistic nihilism. They want brown people out of the country and money in their own pockets. If their out group suffers, what does it matter? If the economy crashes, or US world standing falls, who cares? What use is American idealism anyway?
- yetihehe 1y ago
  1. Lose all the allies, become isolated. 2. Allies are less powerful, the world starts another world war 3. Get sneakily attacked 4. Win the war by entering when everyone is already spent out after fighting for several years. 5. Everyone likes USA because they helped. 6. Profit. Looks like history is about to make another turn of the same wheel, but this time WW1 is Russia (+China) <-> Ukraine (+EU). Russia will be rebuilt by China and start another round to get back on EU.
  - danaris 1y ago
    Except that this time, Trump's starting out by also wrecking the readiness of our military in a number of ways. Make no mistake: This is not grand strategy. It's grandstanding. It's not part of some 5D chess plan. It's just Trump and his ilk being petty, racist bullies, trying desperately to show that they're "more manly" than anyone else.
    - yetihehe 1y ago
      If the threat comes to your shores, people will heroically start doing "the right thing after all other ways were exhausted". High wages for military factory workers will magically appear because they are heroes etc. Last time it took about 3 years to start mass-producing weapons, it will probably still take same amount this time, but it will be done.
ciconia 1y ago
This is just American imperialism brought home, and it's already being targeted at American citizens themselves. Now you're starting to get a taste of how people in many countries feel about the US.
- SR2Z 1y ago
  I mean sure, but you can't pretend this has been a standard fixture of US immigration policy in living memory. Calling it "American imperialism" doesn't make sense because even Trump's stated (and admittedly imperial) goals don't actually line up here.
thisisit 1y ago
This government has made big spectacle and promises on deportation. Though the government has seemingly denied there are reports that field offices need to make 75 arrests per day and failing to do so will lead to "accountability": https://immpolicytracking.org/policies/report-ice-directed-to-increase-arrests-to-meet-daily-quotas/ https://immpolicytracking.org/policies/report-ice-directed-t... This means there is a huge incentive to create spectacle out of arrests. So, that in case the field office lags behind, they can always point to the photo op - See how hard we were working there? This might not hurt the government politically because supporters can see those hard hats and exclaim - See they were wearing hard hats, how were they not breaking the law? But at the cost of creating an unnecessary diplomatic crisis. Even if there were visa issues, this puts South Korean government in a bind - they need to answer to their constituents. Being seen as incompetent and unable to save its citizen abroad is a sensitive topic in many countries. Investments might be impacted as well. It seems to me that many Trump supporters think international politics requires blustering. But much of the work happens behind the scenes.
- jauntywundrkind 1y ago
  Supposedly ICE'a warrant was for 4 specific people, and they went in and ended up detaining and arresting ~475 people. Thats just so unbelievably wild to me.

MBCook 1y ago

> It’s just not smart, not good politics and not good business. So in other words SOP

cwmoore 1y ago
Separate Our Priorities
malcolmgreaves 1y ago
*SOP for Republicans whenever they get ahold of government.
- vuthery 1y ago
  [flagged]

standardUser 1y ago

Police in the US are way too quick to handcuff people. It should be reserved for violent or aggressive suspects, or at least require formal justification as is required in much of Europe. Police here will take a calm and cooperative person and rob them of their most fundamental human right, merely as a convenience.

scotty79 1y ago
It's hard to tell if handling cooperative person in handcuffs is more convenient than without handcuffs.
- standardUser 1y ago
  No one is cooperating once they are cuffed if they have one iota of sense. Suddenly, the state is their enemy and their only concern should be contacting a lawyer.
toasted-subs 1y ago
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14 1y ago
I do see there undoubtedly is a lot of crazy policing happening but I also am sure a lot of it is because those types of incidents are what get the views. I know there are countless police interactions where they are kind and chill but that is boring to watch. Not saying the violence should get a pass just that I believe there are many good officers out there that do address issues calmly and are not quick to jump someone.
flowerthoughts 1y ago
I saw a body cam video on Youtube yesterday (which wasn't outrageous, so I doubt it was one of the fake ones.) It might have been edited to seem more out-of-line than it was, but I don't think it matters. In it, a wife had died in the shower, and the husband and his father had been inside the house while the shower was on, but "had not talked to her." Naturally, suspicions arose and they wanted to talk more to the husband, but the way the officers continued to rile up the father, who was probably in chock after finding out his son might be a murderer, was just pure unprofessionalism. They could have taken a step back, or avoided being four officers against one father, or any other obvious technique to de-escalate, but nope. Just continue pushing, arguing and believing that "doing our job" never means re-assessing the approach. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVo8PRRkWHc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVo8PRRkWHc Edit: spelling
NooneAtAll3 1y ago
such procedures don't appear from thin air - they indicate low trust toward citizens (or at least the worst cases of them) whether in the present, or in the past
southernplaces7 1y ago
Be very careful to consider the possibility of selection bias at work. More interactions with police than ever gain media attention, social media virality and this especially applies to the cases where the encounter is recorded on video (increasingly common due to body and phone cams too). It's become more easy than ever to do such a thing and Of these, guess which ones get the most media exposure. The dramatic ones, either with police aggression or aggression from the civilian in the encounter. But even all of these that emerge in a given year taken together amount to only a minuscule fraction of the likely millions of times per year in which police talk to people or question them with nothing but boring civility all around. Even if we account for a certain percentage of police encounters with unwarranted police aggression not being reported or going viral, it would still be a tiny minority compared to the vast majority that go the other way. I mention this because just the other day in a YT documentary I saw about a woman who disappeared under an air of mystery (link below for the curious) and it incidentally showed body cam footage of her own interaction under unusual circumstances with a police officer who could have easily been much more suspicious considering how he found her shortly before she disappeared, for reasons unrelated to that cop. It was the picture of politeness. Because the focus of the documentary wasn't highlighting police aggression, it gave a glimpse into how many recorded police encounters go in situations where they don't later become the focus of social media threads about bad cops. None of the above is to excuse cops acting badly, or excuse how often they get used for shitty, pseudo-authoritarian social control, or to claim that they don't have too much authority to get away with it when it does happen, but it's useful for perspective on how often these things happen and how likely they really are for most normal contexts (you not being someone doing something notably obnoxious, not being in situations where you're likely to interact with especially suspicious cops, etc) Also, i'm sort of excluding ICE from the above. At least lately, those guys seem to be pervasive dicks by wide mandate in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r8txP3aqmQ&t=4346s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r8txP3aqmQ&t=4346s
- standardUser 1y ago
  I'm not reading that, but I know many people who have been handcuffed and detained for non-violent, non-aggressive transgressions. It is normal operating procedure in the US (but not the rest of the Western world).

dd36 1y ago

It’s good for the fossil fuel industry and that’s why it was done.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> It’s good for the fossil fuel industry and that’s why it was done How? (I’m really trying here.)
- triceratops 1y ago
  They raided a battery manufacturing facility. That's what I guess GP meant.

jfengel 1y ago

It may not be smart or good business but it's great politics. It's easy to blame foreigners for any perceived wrong, especially if they're breaking the rules. Your constituents believe that you're setting things right. It will undoubtedly have negative financial effect on those same constituents, but there's always someone else to arrest and take the blame. It's fantastic politics.

seanmcdirmid 1y ago
Even if they aren’t breaking the rules, you just make your visa policies complicated enough that you can say they might be breaking rules and your constituents will just eat it all up. Meanwhile South Korea decides getting closer to China might be the better course of action.
- ponector 1y ago
  >> Meanwhile South Korea decides getting closer to China might be the better course of action. Good for them. If USA is not a reliable ally anymore, not a surprise there are active talks on free trade agreement between China, Japan and Korea.
csomar 1y ago
I don’t think that’s the issue here? The workers were breaking the laws, unacceptable, but there is little evidence that they are a danger to society or the agents handling them. There could have been much better ways to handle this or maybe, hmm, not televise for the whole world to see. It was done to humiliate. Period.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  Exactly. The reason this was bad politics is that it created more pain than was necessary for the desired gain. If Trump wanted leverage in negotiations and to appear strong on immigration... fine. But there are so many ways of accomplishing that that didn't also alienate and piss off an ally to the extent this perp photo shoot did. Hell, the government could have just politely detained them, put out a big splashy press release, then worked with the South Korean embassy to repatriate them. Same benefit, fewer hard feelings. In contrast, as a result now there's going to be much higher government and South Korean domestic pushback on exactly the kind of US investment Trump wants. It's one thing when someone does something distasteful but gets benefit out of going that far. It's another when they do it because they're inept. The only people this excess played well for was Trump's base, and as others pointed out, there are plenty of less trade sensitive immigrant groups that could have been substituted, if that was the goal.

ProAm 1y ago

If I were Hyundai and had the cash to spare I would close and tear down the facility.

mcphage 1y ago
Why? They can just lock the doors.
- overfeed 1y ago
  If the doors are locked, another manufacturer may take over the site. If spite/punishment is the motivation, tearing it down has maximum impact.

sleepyguy 1y ago

ICE has bravely rescued us from the menace of people building battery factories. Forget fentanyl, trafficking, or violent crime—our real existential threat was clearly a few Korean engineers with power tools. Obviously, they were biding their time before graduating to cartel kingpins. And thank heavens the plant won’t be finished—who actually wants it and the jobs, infrastructure, etc it would bring. Sleep well, folks—America is saved, one deported factory worker at a time.

Scoundreller 1y ago
The bit that gets me is another country is kinda handing over its technology to USA, so why get in the way? When US engineers went to China to offshore US factories there, I doubt China got in the way. Probably watched with heavy interest but definitely not hindered in any way.
- fnordpiglet 1y ago
  It’s the other end of the spectrum from migrants from other countries doing the large scale manual labor for little pay by American standards, but high pay by their own. Ultimately everyone benefits. It’s not about economics. It’s about racism and nationalism through and through. You can’t look at it with a rationalist lens or it can’t make sense. The issue is the dilution of a perceived whiteness of the American identity being threatened by non-white immigration. It doesn’t matter why the Korean workers were here or how tenuous or nonexistent the immigration violation claims were. It matters they weren’t white. For proof, which hasn’t been particularly hidden, see the extreme efforts to create a false narrative (including the president confronting a foreign leader with photographs from a completely different country) of white persecution in South Africa and a recalibration of refugee program to prioritize white South Africans. It’s the whole “reverse discrimination” malarkey (as if discrimination is structurally one way) playing out with fabrication and lies since they couldn’t find real facts. A rationalist argument can’t be found, because it’s not rational - it’s just racist nationalism. This is going to be remembered in history globally as one of the embarrassing low points that beggars the question of American moral standing , which is likewise a fallacious tu quoque argument. What’s going on ignores the fact the founding fathers were enlightenment liberal humanists of the extreme degree, and while creatures of their time, endeavored hard to establish a construct in the constitution and bill of rights a system that will eventually and stably arrive at an ideal liberal humanist society. They recognized with pretty clear sightedness their own imperfections in this regard and recognized society changes slowly, but believed the constitution and bill of rights would make the change inexorable. I for one agree after studying it for some time. This means this aberration we see today, which is reminiscent of Sulla’s attack on the Roman republic, was well planned for an accounted for. They knew clearly and better than we do the natural tendency of man, and specifically corrupt ambitious racist theologists as their time was steeped in, and built a system that mean reverts always towards a liberal humanist outcome. The question to my mind is will I live to see the damage undone and is my daughter equipped to right the ship in her life time.

lvspiff 1y ago

It feels like this was more done initially to meet a quota. Lady reports to ICE she thinks illegals working there. ICE does some sorta check and realized there might be an issue with a couple and extrapolated it to all Asians working in the facility. Saw a big juicy chance to roll out the team and detain a ton of people thinking it make Bondi and Trump happy. Now Trump is stuck looking weak to Koreans (and in turn china and India) or weak to his base depending on who he sides with which right now looks to be his base.

dboreham 1y ago
Yeah no.
- ziftface 1y ago
  Do you have another explanation?

dfxm12 1y ago

It was probably good for white nationalists like Trump, his party and their voters though. They also don't seem to be interested in doing what's best for business.

robbingtherob 1y ago
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- aredox 1y ago
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brundolf 1y ago

I honestly don't think this administration wants economic allies

fnordpiglet 1y ago
s/economic//g
nielsbot 1y ago
It's fascistic nihilism. They want brown people out of the country and money in their own pockets. If their out group suffers, what does it matter? If the economy crashes, or US world standing falls, who cares? What use is American idealism anyway?
yetihehe 1y ago
1. Lose all the allies, become isolated. 2. Allies are less powerful, the world starts another world war 3. Get sneakily attacked 4. Win the war by entering when everyone is already spent out after fighting for several years. 5. Everyone likes USA because they helped. 6. Profit. Looks like history is about to make another turn of the same wheel, but this time WW1 is Russia (+China) <-> Ukraine (+EU). Russia will be rebuilt by China and start another round to get back on EU.
- danaris 1y ago
  Except that this time, Trump's starting out by also wrecking the readiness of our military in a number of ways. Make no mistake: This is not grand strategy. It's grandstanding. It's not part of some 5D chess plan. It's just Trump and his ilk being petty, racist bullies, trying desperately to show that they're "more manly" than anyone else.
  - yetihehe 1y ago
    If the threat comes to your shores, people will heroically start doing "the right thing after all other ways were exhausted". High wages for military factory workers will magically appear because they are heroes etc. Last time it took about 3 years to start mass-producing weapons, it will probably still take same amount this time, but it will be done.

ciconia 1y ago

This is just American imperialism brought home, and it's already being targeted at American citizens themselves. Now you're starting to get a taste of how people in many countries feel about the US.

SR2Z 1y ago
I mean sure, but you can't pretend this has been a standard fixture of US immigration policy in living memory. Calling it "American imperialism" doesn't make sense because even Trump's stated (and admittedly imperial) goals don't actually line up here.

thisisit 1y ago

This government has made big spectacle and promises on deportation. Though the government has seemingly denied there are reports that field offices need to make 75 arrests per day and failing to do so will lead to "accountability": https://immpolicytracking.org/policies/report-ice-directed-to-increase-arrests-to-meet-daily-quotas/ https://immpolicytracking.org/policies/report-ice-directed-t... This means there is a huge incentive to create spectacle out of arrests. So, that in case the field office lags behind, they can always point to the photo op - See how hard we were working there? This might not hurt the government politically because supporters can see those hard hats and exclaim - See they were wearing hard hats, how were they not breaking the law? But at the cost of creating an unnecessary diplomatic crisis. Even if there were visa issues, this puts South Korean government in a bind - they need to answer to their constituents. Being seen as incompetent and unable to save its citizen abroad is a sensitive topic in many countries. Investments might be impacted as well. It seems to me that many Trump supporters think international politics requires blustering. But much of the work happens behind the scenes.

jauntywundrkind 1y ago
Supposedly ICE'a warrant was for 4 specific people, and they went in and ended up detaining and arresting ~475 people. Thats just so unbelievably wild to me.