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US Visa Applications Must Be Submitted from Country of Residence or Nationality
- wheelerwj 1y agoAnything to make it more difficult.
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- redwood 1y agoIndeed. Sad that people are willing to burn down the engine just to make a point that they're frustrated by things like pronouns. Enoughs enoughs. Wake up silent majority
- 7240579522750 1y agoKeep deluding yourself into thinking a silent majority want the country to be flooded by afghans and syrians.
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- thegjp210 1y agoAs a progressive - importing indentured servants to displace the American working and middle class is awful and revolting to watch.
- jayd16 1y agoAdding hoops just makes them even more indentured. The harder it is to get market value for their skills the more it pushes American wages down.
- vicnov 1y agoHow does it destroy the country? I genuinely do not understand your logic? Is it because you assume less talent will move to the states?
- tupac_speedrap 1y agoThat's a little dramatic, many countries have this rule for visa applications.
- efitz 1y agoThis comment is bizarre. Literally nothing about this policy change destroys the US or any principle outlined in the Constitution. It removes a convenience that was sometimes abused (see the top post) and makes it harder to bypass US law to get a visa.
- MangoToupe 1y agoI imagine it's more of a comment about the underlying trend. I can't say I have any loyalty to the government or the constitution, but i will say that our willingness to accept immigrants is far and away the best thing about this place.
- blindfolded_go 1y agoThis seems like an emotional reaction, not a rational one. The US getting similar visa conditions to the EU Schengen area is not the "organized and intentional destruction" of the USA.
- anvuong 1y agoWhat a stupid take. This TCN business is just dumb. Because of this, US consulates in Canada have been swamped with visa appointments from H1B holders, making everything harder for casual visitors.
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- chizhik-pyzhik 1y agoit looks AI generated
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- deadbabe 1y agoI hate this “brown people” line that people keep bringing up to shame anyone who is against easy immigration as some kind of racist. Unchecked immigration has wrecked countries, it’s a big problem in Canada for instance. We have definitely passed the era in the world where immigration was automatically a good thing. The game has changed.
- linotype 1y agoHow has immigration ruined Canada?
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- linotype 1y agoSecurity screening, not border control at airports etc.
- blindfolded_go 1y agoWhat part of the bill mentions anything about skin color? As far as I can tell, the rules are the same for everyone.
- andsoitis 1y agoSimilar to Europe: for Schengen visas, you must apply to the consulate responsible for your country of legal residence. https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/schengen/visa-policy/applying-schengen-visa_en https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/schengen/visa-pol...
- bapak 1y agoThailand has similar restrictions for certain visas.
- nathan11 1y agoI believe your link says you must apply at the country you're visiting, or the country you're visiting first. And you must apply at the consulate for the country you are a resident of. So if I was applying to visit France, I could do so from the US embassy in France. This seems to differ from the new US rule where you must also apply in the country you're a resident of.
- throw-the-towel 1y agoWhy would you apply at the US consulate for a visa to France? That makes no sense no matter how I try to interpret. The way it works is, if you're applying for a French visa in Mongolia and you're not a Mongolian national, you need to provide your Mongolian residence permit or else your application will be refused outright.
- em-bee 1y agoyou got that mixed up: you would apply at the french embassy in the US. and, that's the key point for schengen: you would not apply at the eg german embassy in the US, even though both would get you the same visa. the US embassy can't give you a schengen visa, and you could not even get to the one in france since you are not there yet. and if you visit multiple countries, it's either the one where you spend most of the time, or the one where you enter the schengen area (this may be different from the country you visit first because you could have a flight transfer inside schengen). at least as far as i know.
- eterpstra 1y agoCan anyone explain a rational political motivation behind this? I realize "less immigrants" is the hand-wavy explanation, but how does this benefit those in charge?
- linotype 1y ago> Can anyone explain a rational political motivation behind this? I realize "less immigrants" is the hand-wavy explanation, but how does this benefit those in charge? I recommend you read the link, which in the first few words outlines “non-immigrants” and my summary. > Adjudicating Nonimmigrant Visa Applicants in Their Country of Residence
- jeffbee 1y agoIt aligns with their effort to ruin the economic situation of American universities.
- efitz 1y agoPlease refer me to the part of the Constitution that enumerates the responsibility of the US government to preserve the business model of the modern university system?
- MangoToupe 1y agoOr to capitalism itself, for that matter! We could easily become a modern country if we just had the will. The recourse to the constitution is silly. It has barely any relevance to the country we've become.
- tzs 1y agoUnless you are arguing that government actions should not be criticized unless they are in violation of the Constitution, your comment makes no sense in the context of any comment that is an ancestor of it in the comment tree. Did you response to the wrong comment or get a little mixed up about the shape of the comments tree or what?
- burnermore 1y agoThis feel like bad for countries like India initially. But will help make better homegrown solutions. This is good for the world.
- digitaltrees 1y agoSo a Canadian that wants to visit on a tourist visa has to apply at an embassy?????!!!! Instead of on the airplane right before landing? Insane. This is going to destroy the tourism industry and collapse business travel.
- anonexpat 1y agoThis doesn't affect nationals eligible for visa-on-arrival.
- digitaltrees 1y agoGot it. Thanks. That’s a lot better than first impression.
- NoImmatureAdHom 1y agoCanadians don't need tourist visas
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- LadyCailin 1y agoCanadians do not need a visa to enter the US. And many countries are covered under the Visa Waiver Program, such as many European countries. So no, this does not affect Canadians.
- jmclnx 1y agoDo Canadians need to get Visas to visit the US ? Last time I went to Canada all I needed was a Passport. I do not even remember showing it to the Custom Official. I drove up said hi and they let me through. As far as I know it was/is the same for Canadians visiting the US. Except the US border people tended to be d**ks, even to US Citizens. Did that change?
- IncRnd 1y agoCanadians don't need a visa to visit the United States for tourism or temporary business travel purposes.
- ashray 1y agoThis was already the case for almost every other country. Most embassies required you to be resident or a national of the country you are applying in. So oddly, the US was far more permissive than other locales in this one aspect. All this change does is bring it in line with security practices that other nations already had in place. Honestly am quite surprised that the US didn’t already have this restriction considering overall it’s one of the toughest countries to get a visa for or even enter with a valid visa. The US visa vetting procedure is known to be so strict even for tourists that many nations give visa free access to nationals who would otherwise require a visa - just because they hold a valid (or sometimes even expired!) US visa. It’s a highly regarded sticker if you can get one in your passport and seriously ups the power of your passport if it’s a weaker one to start with.
- abxyz 1y agoReally? Do you have any examples? I’ve had visas around the world (and encountered numerous weird requirements) but never have I been required to apply for a visa from my country of nationality. Even China, which is very restrictive, allows for non-national applications. (And in fact, in my experience, it is getting easier with online applications becoming more common.)
- throw-the-towel 1y agoSchengen works exactly like this. Also Japan I think.
- abxyz 1y agoI don’t know about Schengen but that’s not correct for Japan. You can get a visa to visit Japan from an embassy in a country you’re not a resident or national of, there’s no requirement for the visa to be issued in your country of nationality (although some embassies may choose not to accept applications from non-residents or non-nationals).
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- fblp 1y agoAlso. "Effective immediately". Too bad for the tens of thousands of people who would be in legitimate process for a visa outside their country home country right now. This administrations arrogance and urgency is more important.
- NoImmatureAdHom 1y agoIt explicitly doesn't affect people who already have appointments / who are in process. Read the link.
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- Nervhq 1y agoBut then they wouldn't be able to bash Trump!!
- fblp 1y agoIn practice, this is not what occurred. Many people had appointments canceled admist the confusion.
- jrochkind1 1y agoThe idea that someone from Haiti could get to Nassau for a visa interview is not serious.
- viceconsole 1y agoThere's no staff in Haiti to process visas at all, the embassy is on ordered depature. There are staff in Nassau, including people trained in Haitian Creole, and there are many Haitian applicants who apply for visas in Nassau. Where do you think the US should interview Haitian applicants? Also, if someone from Haiti has the resources to travel to the US, they have the resources to travel to Nassau for a visa interview.
- throw-the-towel 1y agoThe Darién Gap was believed to be impassable, now people cross it by the thousands just to get to the US. You're seriously underestimating how motivated and desperate some of these people are.
- anvuong 1y agoThis is good. Canada consulate has been swamped with TCN visa appointments for a very long time. And this is the norm for many countries, including the EU.
- viceconsole 1y agoI was a US diplomat in India for 2 years and processed tens of thousands of visas. While this change will cause some inconvenience for, e.g., current H-1B visa holders from India who can no longer travel to Canada or Mexio to apply for new visas, in general it makes a lot of sense. I worked at the number one H-1B processing post worldwide. Our post had the expertise to quickly evaluate applications and approve the clearly legitimate ones while scrutinizing the potentially fraudulent ones. We tracked fraud patterns and kept tabs on known-bad petitioners. We could visit petitioner locations on the ground in India. This expertise doesn't exist in Canada or Mexico. Staff at those embassies and consulates would have to consult with us in India, or simply make uninformed decisions. Note also that bona fide residents of a country can still apply in their country of residence. For a few weeks in India, we had a string of third-country nationals (I won't say which, but it's not hard to find) apply for foreign medical graduate visas. We weren't familiar with the context in country they were coming from. They seemed to be generally good quality applicants and many were approved. It turned out that there was a cheating scandal in that third country, an entire batch of test results had been invalidated, and the embassy located there was refusing their visas, so a few applied in India and were approved, then word got out and more came. We eventually wised up. However, there was really no good reason for these applicants to be travelling from their home country to India for a visa appointment even under normal circumstances (India isn't exactly known for having short visa wait times).
- blindfolded_go 1y agoThanks for sharing your experience. Good to get some real-world data in this thread as opposed to the emotional condemnations of this rule change.
- steviedotboston 1y agoPeople make two big assumptions about immigration in my experience 1) They think the system should be extremely simple 2) They assume everyone involved is being honest When the reality is 1) Many people involved are lying to claim immigration benefits they have no right to 2) The system needs to have a level of complexity and difficulty to prevent these people from accessing these benefits
- Anonyneko 1y agoFun for people hailing from the countries where the US embassy is unable to issue visas for various interesting political reasons.
- mgh2 1y agoTNs: https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/uscis-issues-major-update-to-tn-visa-policy-manual/ https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/uscis-iss...
- neeeeees 1y agoI think so but it doesn’t really matter. It’s far faster to apply at the border anyway.
- HeavenFox 1y agoThis is a significant problem for Chinese H1B holders, because the visa sticker for Chinese passport is only valid for one year. You can stay for longer, but cannot come back if you leave the U.S. Historically folks have been getting their visa renewed in Canada or Mexico, and this is already a huge annoyance - not only do you have to make a pointless trip, but also appointments in these countries are very hard to get as a Third Country National (TCN). Sure, most other countries don't allow TCNs to apply for visa, but they also don't require their long term residents to leave the country to renew their visa. So, the correct solution to this is Domestic Visa Renewal. A pilot program was run last year, but it was limited to Indian H1B holders. Without this program in place, disallowing TCNs is simply cruel.
- em-bee 1y agonot having Domestic Visa Renewal sounds like the most ridiculous oversight. i get making your first application from home, but renewal should always be in your target country. it's absurd to demand that people travel home once a year to renew their visa.
- pandaman 1y agoVisa stamp is not needed to stay in the US, it's only to cross the border into the US. Also, coincidentally, a visa stamp can only be issued by a consulate and I don't know of any country that has consulates on its own land.
- em-bee 1y agoa visa stamp can only be issued by a consulate as i said, that's a weird US rule. i do not believe that there are many countries in the world that have such a rule. i have never encountered something like that on my travels. I don't know of any country that has consulates on its own land not relevant because most countries simply don't need a consulate to renew visas.
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- mgh2 1y agoWhy is this flagged?
- ozozozd 1y agoIf the VISA issuing officer will actually verify anything, it’s a reasonable expectation (dare I say, obvious) that the applicant must be a resident of the country where the embassy is. You can’t expect a person living in country X to validate the documents from Y country. It’s quite unreasonable to expect that they will even understand the language the document is in. If the claim is the VISA issuing officer already doesn’t verify anything and therefore familiarity with the language and system of country Y isn’t necessary, that’s a different discussion. The thing to fix here is requiring that someone already in US has to go to a consulate to renew/change their VISA. For someone who went to college in US for 4 years, and then did OPT for ~2 years, it’s meaningless for them to go to their home country to apply for an H1B, because all the documents they will bring will be from the US and the home country consulate personnel may not even be fit to check the validity of those documents.
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