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Gemini 2.5 Flash Image

1093 points by meetpateltech 1y ago

Also: https://deepmind.google/models/gemini/image/ https://deepmind.google/models/gemini/image/, https://techcrunch.com/2025/08/26/google-geminis-ai-image-model-gets-a-bananas-upgrade/ https://techcrunch.com/2025/08/26/google-geminis-ai-image-mo...

Allensu 1y ago
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boyka 1y ago
> When we first launched native image generation in Gemini 2.0 Flash earlier this year, you told us you loved its low latency, cost-effectiveness, and ease of use. I wasn't aware there is a channel where Google asks for feedback or where you are able to tell them that you love it. I only see a "report a problem button". Which channel is it?
- theptip 1y ago
  Let me tell you about this app called “X”, formerly known as “Twitter”. People use it to post their opinions about products, among other things.
dongking2 1y ago
Are https://nanobanana.ai/ https://nanobanana.ai/ and https://nanobanana.info/ https://nanobanana.info/ created by the same people? What are the differences?
- dostick 1y ago
  Both likely fake. Only Google hosted and FAL/Replcate are real.
leegrayson2023 1y ago
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dallen97 1y ago
Been testing both Flux Krea and Nano Banana for image editing tasks. Honestly, they’re closer than people think. Flux Krea nails character consistency and semantic edits—especially when working with multi-turn prompts. Nano Banana (aka Gemini 2.5 Flash) feels snappier and handles multi-image composition surprisingly well. I used this test site to benchmark them side by side. https://flux-krea.app/ https://flux-krea.app/ Results? Comparable quality, but different strengths. Flux is better for precision edits and prompt adherence. Nano Banana shines in speed and creative blending. Pick your tool based on workflow, not hype.
lisa0612 1y ago
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wtarreau 1y ago
Just doesn't work for me, it says "here's the combined image" after ~10s but shows nothing at all. Maybe already victim of its success ?
jrran086 1y ago
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keepamovin 1y ago
Those examples are gorgeous and amazing. This is really cool.
gitaarik 1y ago
I added a picture of myself as an attachment and asked it to put me in a professional dev environment. Worked very good and was also very funny. Then I asked it to put me in a scene where I'm meeting Frank Zappa in his studio. Then it gave an error with "Content blocked, Content not permitted". Interesting..
sam1234apter 1y ago
this model is awesome - now anyone can build photo ai apps
qoez 1y ago
Anyone know how it handles '1920s nazi officer'? They stopped doing humans for a while but now I see they're back so I wonder how they're handling the criticism they got from that
- napo 1y ago
  it said: "I can create images about lots of things but not that. Can I try a different one for you?"
  - napo 1y ago
    when giving more context it replied: """ Unfortunately, I can't generate images of people. My purpose is to be helpful and harmless, and creating realistic images of humans can be misused in ways that are harmful. This is a safety policy that helps prevent the generation of deepfakes, non-consensual imagery, and other problematic content. If you'd like to try a different image prompt, I can help you create images of a wide range of other subjects, such as animals, landscapes, objects, or abstract concepts. """
    - bastawhiz 1y ago
      What a weird rejection. You have to scroll pretty far in the article to see an example output that doesn't have a realistic depiction of a person.
      - tanaros 1y ago
        The rejection message doesn’t seem to be accurate. I tried “happy person” as a prompt in AI Studio and it generated a happy human without any complaints. It’s possible that they relaxed the safety filtering to allow humans but forgot to update the error message.
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dpoloncsak 1y ago
I've been looking for a whitepaper or something. So far I've found this...which is not a whitepaper but seems relevant https://developers.googleblog.com/en/introducing-gemini-2-5-flash-image/ https://developers.googleblog.com/en/introducing-gemini-2-5-... It seems like this is 'nano-banana' all along
- lemonish97 1y ago
  Yes, they mention that the model is aka nano-banana in the blogpost
lifthrasiir 1y ago
FYI, this is the famed nano-banana model which has been now renamed to gemini-2.5-flash-image-preview in LMArena.
- Mistletoe 1y ago
  https://medium.com/data-science-in-your-pocket/what-is-google-nano-banana-googles-secret-ai-for-images-2958f9ab11e3 https://medium.com/data-science-in-your-pocket/what-is-googl... For people like me that don’t know what nano-banana is.
  - mock-possum 1y ago
    Wow I hate the ‘voice’ in that article - big if true though.
    - daemonologist 1y ago
      I suspect the "voice" is a language model with a bad system prompt. (Possibly the author's own words run through an LLM, to be charitable.)
      - 3036e4 1y ago
        It's medium.com. YouTube comments quality text packaged as clickbait articles for some revenue share. It was always slop, even without LLMs. Do they even bother with paying human authors now or is the entire site just generated? That would probably be cheaper and improve quality.
        debugnik 1y ago
        > Do they even bother with paying human authors now I thought Medium was a stuck up blogging platform. Other than for paid subscriptions, why would they pay bloggers? Are they trying to become the next HuffPost or something?
    - Revisional_Sin 1y ago
simedw 1y ago
The model is only available in AI Studio when I set my VPN to the USA (I’m located in the UK).
- ctippett 1y ago
  Also in the UK and I could access the model just fine from AI studio, no VPN required.
patates 1y ago
It seems that they still block access from Europe, or from Germany at least.
- punkpeye 1y ago
  Use one of the router services
- kridsdale1 1y ago
  Get less contradictory regulations, then.
  - kneegerm 1y ago
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    - rvnx 1y ago
      In EU they forbid us newspapers from non-approved countries, impose cookies banners everywhere, and now block porn. Soon they will forbid some AI models which have not passed EU censorship ("safety") validation. Because we all know that governments (or even Google with Android) are better at knowing what is the safest for you. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/eu-rules-general-purpose-ai-models-start-apply-bringing-more-transparency-safety-and-accountability#:~:text=From%20August%202%2C%20providers%20must,compliance%20by%202%20August%202027. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/eu-rules-gener...
      - krige 1y ago
        How do you do, fellow europeans?
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mindprince 1y ago
What is the difference between Gemini Flash Image models and the Imagen models?
- famouswaffles 1y ago
  Imagen is a diffusion text to image model. You write some text that describes your image, you get an image out and that's it. Flash Image is an image (and text) predicting large language model. In a similar fashion to how trained LLMs can manipulate/morph text, this can do that for images as well. Things like style transfer, character consistency etc. You can communicate with it in a way you can't for imagen, and it has a better overall world understanding.
- raincole 1y ago
  Imagen: Stable Diffusion, but by Google Gemini Flash Image: ChatGPT image, but by Google
mkl 1y ago
That lamp example is pretty impressive (though it's hard to know how cherry-picked it is). The lamp is plugged in, it's lighting the things in the scene, it's casting shadows.
j_m_b 1y ago
If this can do character consistency, that's huge. Just make it do the same for video...
- ACCount37 1y ago
  It's probably built on reused "secret sauce" from the video generation models.
asdev 1y ago
Looks like AI image generation is converging to a local maximum as well
therealmarv 1y ago
What is the max input and output resolution of images? This is why I'm sticking mostly to Adobe Photoshop's AI editing because there are no restrictions in that regard.
- abdusco 1y ago
  Around 1 megapixel, AFAICT.
- qingcharles 1y ago
  In my testing it has been stuck at 1024x1024. Have to upscale with something...
elorant 1y ago
I have a certain use case for such image generators. Feed them an entire news article I fetch from bbc and ask it to create an image to accompany the article. Thus far only midjourney managed to understand context. And now this, which is even more impressive. We live in interesting times.
- oracleclyde 1y ago
  I just tried it inside Gemini with a Medium article. Here's my prompt: "Read the article at this url and provide a hero image that incapsulates the message the author wants to convey: https://bioneers.org/supreme-oligarchy-billionaires-supreme-court-betraying-promise-america/ https://bioneers.org/supreme-oligarchy-billionaires-supreme-..." The response was a summary of the article that was pretty good, along with an image that dagnabbit, read the assignment.
- vunderba 1y ago
  I think most of the SOTA models could probably handle this but you'd probably get better results using a pipeline: 1. Reduce article to a synopsis using an LLM 2. Generate 4-5 varying description prompts from the synopsis 3. Feed the prompts to an imagegen model Though I'd wager that gpt-image-1 (in the ChatGPT) being multimodal could probably managed it as well.
Narciss 1y ago
Nano banana is here!
lyu07282 1y ago
still fails at analog clocks, if anyone else was also wondering
kumarm 1y ago
Seems to be failing at API Calls right now with "You exceeded your current quota, please check your plan and billing details. For more information on this error," Hope they get API issues resolved soon.
stuckinhell 1y ago
Is this the "nano banana" thing the art ai world was going crazy about recently ?
- SweetSoftPillow 1y ago
  Yes it is
abdusco 1y ago
I love that it's substantially faster than ChatGPT's image generation. It takes ages, so slow that the app tells you to not wait and sends you notification when the generation finishes.
- andrewinardeer 1y ago
  "Generate an image of OpenAI investors after using Gemini 2.5 Flash Image"
adidoit 1y ago
Very impressive. I have to say while I'm deeply impressed by these text to image models, there's a part of me that's also wary of their impact. Just look at the comments beneath the average Facebook post.
- knicholes 1y ago
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  - lionkor 1y ago
    Not to victim-shame or anything, but that sounds more like more than one safety mechanism failed, the convincing tech only being a rather small part of it?
    - hansonkd 1y ago
      I think the biggest failure is on the part of the companies hosting these streams. Its been a while, but I remember seeing streams for Elon offering to "double your bitcoin" and the reasoning was he wanted to increase the adoption and load test the network. Just send some bitcoin to some address and he will send it back double! But the thing was it was on youtube. Hosted on an imposter Tesla page. The stream had been going on for hours and had over ten thousand people watching live. If you searched "Elon Musk Bitcoin" During the stream on Google, Google actually pushed that video as the first result. Say what you want about the victims of the scam, but I think it should be pretty easy for youtube or other streaming companies to have a simple rule to simply filter all live streams with Elon Musk + (Crypto|BTC|etc) in the title and be able to filter all youtube pages with "Tesla" "SpaceX" etc in the title.
      - lionkor 1y ago
        I feel like somehow that would lessen it, but not really help much? There are obviously people with too much money in BTC who are trying to take any gamble to increase its value. It sounds like a deeper societal issue.
radarsat1 1y ago
I've had a task in mind for a while now that I've wanted to do with this latest crop of very capable instruction-following image editors. Without going into detail, basically the task boils down to, "generate exactly image 1, but replace object A with the object depicted in image 2." Where image 2 is some front-facing generic version, ideally I want the model to place this object perfectly in the scene, replacing the existing object, that I have identified ideally exactly by being able to specify its position, but otherwise by just being able to describe very well what to do. For models that can't accept multiple images, I've tried a variation where I put a blue box around the object that I want to replace, and paste the object that I want it to put there at the bottom of the image on its own. I've tried some older models, and ChatGPT, also qwen-image last week, and just now, this one. They all fail at it. To be fair, this model got pretty damn close, it replaced the wrong object in the scene, but it was close to the right position, and the object was perfectly oriented and lit. But it was wrong. (Using the bounding box method.. it should have been able to identify exactly what I wanted to do. Instead it removed the bounding box and replaced a different object in a different but close-by position.) Are there any models that have been specifically trained to be able to infill or replace specific locations in an image with reference to an example image? Or is this just like a really esoteric task? So far all the in-filling models I've found are only based on text inputs.
- rushingcreek 1y ago
  Yes! There is a model called ACE++ from Alibaba that is specifically trained to replace masked areas with a reference image. We use it in https://phind.design https://phind.design. It does seem like a very esoteric and uncommon task though.
  - ceroxylon 1y ago
    I don't think it is that esoteric, that sounds like deepfake 101. If you don't mind answering, does Phind do anything to prevent / mitigate this?
  - radarsat1 1y ago
    Oh cool thanks I haven't come across that one, I'll give it a shot.
awestroke 1y ago
Internal server error. lol
GaggiX 1y ago
An image seems to be 256 tokens looking the AIstudio tab, so you can generate 3906,25 images per 1M tokens, that seems a lot if I'm not wrong in some ways. Edit: the blog post is now loading and reports "1290 output tokens per image" even though on the AI studio it said something different.
beyonddream 1y ago
“Internal server error Sorry, there seems to be an error. Please try again soon.” Never thought I would ever see this on a google owned websites!
- lionkor 1y ago
  A cheap quip would be "it's vibe-coded", but that might actually very well be the case at this point!
- reaperducer 1y ago
  Never thought I would ever see this on a google owned websites! Really? Google used to be famous not only for its errors, but for its creative error pages. I used to have a google.com bookmark that would send an animated 418.
fariszr 1y ago
This is the gpt 4 moment for image editing models. Nano banana aka gemini 2.5 flash is insanely good. It made a 171 elo point jump in lmarena! Just search nano banana on Twitter to see the crazy results. An example. https://x.com/D_studioproject/status/1958019251178267111 https://x.com/D_studioproject/status/1958019251178267111
- ceroxylon 1y ago
  It seems like every combination of "nano banana" is registered as a domain with their own unique UI for image generation... are these all middle actors playing credit arbitrage using a popular model name?
  - bonoboTP 1y ago
    I'd assume they are just fake, take your money and use a different model under the hood. Because they already existed before the public release. I doubt that their backend rolled the dice on LMArena until nano-banana popped up. And that was the only way to use it until today.
    - ceroxylon 1y ago
      Agreed, I didn't mean to imply that they were even attempting to run the actual nano banana, even through LMarena. There is a whole spectrum of potential sketchiness to explore with these, since I see a few "sign in with Google" buttons that remind me of phishing landing pages.
  - vunderba 1y ago
    They're almost all scams. Nano banana AI image generator sites were showing up when this model was still only available in LM Arena.
- koakuma-chan 1y ago
  Why is it called nano banana?
notsylver 1y ago
I digitised our family photos but a lot of them were damaged (shifted colours, spills, fingerprints on film, spots) that are difficult to correct for so many images. I've been waiting for image gen to catch up enough to be able to repair them all in bulk without changing details, especially faces. This looks very good at restoring images without altering details or adding them where they are missing, so it might finally be time.
- zwog 1y ago
  Do you happen to know some software to repair/improve video files? I'm in the process of digitalizing a couple of Video 2000 and VHS casettes of childhood memories of my mom who start suffering from dementia. I have a pretty streamlined setup for digitalizing the videos but I'd like to improve the quality a bit.
  - notsylver 1y ago
    I didn't do any videos, just pictures, but considering how little I found for pictures I doubt you'll find much
  - actionfromafar 1y ago
    VHSdecode if you want a rabbit hole.
  - nycdatasci 1y ago
    I've used products from topazlabs.com for the same problem and have generally been happy with them.
    - qingcharles 1y ago
      Topaz is probably the SOTA in video restoration, but it can definitely fuck shit up. Use carefully and sparingly and check all the output for weird AI glitches.
- Almondsetat 1y ago
  All of the defects you have listed can be automatically fixed by using a film scanner with ICE and a software that automatically performs the scan and the restoration like Vuescan. Feeding hundreds (thousands?) of photos to an experimental proprietary cloud AI that will give you back subpar compressed pictures with who knows how many strange artifacts seems unnecessary
modeless 1y ago
This model is very impressive. Yesterday (as nano-banana) I gave it a photo of an indoor scene with a picture hanging on a wall, and asked it the picture on a wall with a copy of the whole photo. It worked perfectly the first time. It didn't succeed in doing the same recursively, but it's still clearly a huge advance in image models.
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jawns 1y ago
I was able to upload my kids' back-to-school photos and ask nano-banana to turn them into a goth, an '80s workout girl, and a tracksuit mafioso. The results were incredibly believable, and I was able to prank my mom with them!
mclau157 1y ago
I could see this destroying a lot of jobs like photography, editing, marketing, etc.
- bityard 1y ago
  These jobs won't go away. Power tools didn't destroy carpentry. Computers didn't destroy math. But workers who don't embrace these new tools will probably get left behind by those who do.
simianwords 1y ago
L like it but it is very restricted. I can't modify people's faces etc.
- yborg 1y ago
  Yeah, it doesn't look like the Safety Settings actually do anything, it refuses to edit anything with any words that could be construed to have sexual connotation even with restrictions all turned off.
sandreas 1y ago
I wonder if this could be used for preprocessing documents before doing OCR...
bsenftner 1y ago
All these image models are time vampires and need to be looked at with very suspicious eyes. Try to make a room - that's easy, now try to make multiple views of the same room - next to impossible. If one is intending to use these image models for anything that requires consistency of imagery, forget it.
matsemann 1y ago
Half the time I ask Gemini to generate some image it claims it doesn't have the capability. And in general I've felt it's so hard to actually use the features Google announce? Like, a third of them is in one product, some in another which I can't use, and no idea what or where I should pay to get access. So confusing.
- Al-Khwarizmi 1y ago
  Yeah, in fact the website says "Try it in Gemini" and I'm not sure if I'm already trying it or not - if I choose Gemini 2.5 Flash in the regular Gemini UI, I'm using this?
  - sega_sai 1y ago
    I think not. Because at least in the aistudio there is a dedicated gemini-2.5-flash-image-preview model. So I am assuming it is not available in the standard gemini chat window.
  - throwup238 1y ago
    It’s going to be a messy rollout as usual. The web app (gemini.google.com) shows “Images with Imagen” for me under tools for 2.5 flash but I just tried a few image edits and remixes in the iOS app and it looks like it’s been updated to this model.
  - oliwary 1y ago
    Also very confused at this... It told me "I'm unable to create images of specific individuals in different settings." I wish it would at least say somewhere which model we are using at the moment.
- jeffbee 1y ago
  It's not in the Gemini app or site at all. You have to use AI Studio or another means. Yes, this is all very confusing on Google's part.
  - IanCal 1y ago
uejfiweun 1y ago
This is pretty remarkable, I'm having a lot of fun playing around with this. Kudos to Google.
kemyd 1y ago
I don't get the hype. Tested it with the same prompts I used with Midjourney, and the results are worse than in Midjourney a year ago. What am I missing?
- bonoboTP 1y ago
  The hype is about image editing, not pure text-to-image. Upload an input image, say what you want changed, get the output. That's the idea. Much better preservation of characters and objects.
  - kemyd 1y ago
    Thanks for clarifying this. That makes a lot more sense.
  - appenz 1y ago
    I tested it against Flux Pro Kontext (also image editing) and while it's a very different style and approach I overall like Flux better. More focus on image consistency, adjusts the lighting correctly, fixes contradictions in the image.
    - qingcharles 1y ago
      I've been testing it against Flux Pro Kontext for several weeks. I would say it beats Flux in a majority of tests, but Flux still surprises from time-to-time. Banana definitely isn't the best 100% of the time -- it falls a bit short of that. Evolution, not revolution.
      - vunderba 1y ago
        Agreed. I find myself alternating between Qwen Image Edit 20B, Kontext, and now Flash 2.5 depending on the situation and style. And of course, Flash isn't open-weights, so if you need more control / less censorship then you're SOL.
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chadcmulligan 1y ago
This is technically impressive though I really wish they'd choose other professions to automate than graphic design.
- reaperducer 1y ago
  AI is supposed to set us all free. Yet, so far all the tech companies have done is eliminate the jobs of the lowest-paid people (artists, writers, photographers, designers) and transfer that money to billionaires. Yay.
  - anthonypasq 1y ago
    [Plows] are supposed to set us all free. Yet, so far all the tech companies have done is eliminate the jobs of the lowest-paid people ([field hands]) and transfer that money to landowners. Yay.
    - reaperducer 1y ago
      If you can't understand the difference, perhaps consult one of your AI chat overlords.
      - throitallaway 1y ago
        History repeats itself. Productivity gains the last ~half century have mostly made their way to the top.
- dangoodmanUT 1y ago
  It’s what data is available, they’re not targeting graphic design
anotheryou 1y ago
Super cheap generation but expensive image upload, do I read that right? https://openrouter.ai/google/gemini-2.5-flash-image-preview https://openrouter.ai/google/gemini-2.5-flash-image-preview
- dangoodmanUT 1y ago
  That’s like .12 cents per image uploaded
- daviding 1y ago
  Not sure. If the Flash image output is $30/M [1] then that's pretty similar to gpt-image-1 costs. So a faster and better model perhaps but not really cheaper? [1] https://developers.googleblog.com/en/introducing-gemini-2-5-flash-image/ https://developers.googleblog.com/en/introducing-gemini-2-5-...
  - daviding 1y ago
    Since I can't edit, it seems like Flash image is about 23% (4 cents vs 17 cents) of the cost of Openai gpt-image-1, if you're putting an image and prompt in and getting out, say, a 1024x1024 generated image. With the quicker production time that makes it interesting. Expecting Openai to respond at least in terms of pricing, e.g. a flat rate output cap price or something to be comparable.
yuchana 1y ago
The progress is insanely good but imagine the competition between engineers especially there are many people taking up courses in ai and cs
johnfn 1y ago
I naively went onto Gemini in order to try to use the new model and had what I could only describe as the worst conversation I've had with an AI since GPT 3.5[1]. Is this really the model that's on top of the leaderboard right now? This feels about 500 ELO points worse than my typical conversation with GPT 5. Edit: OK, OK, I actually got it to work, and yes, I admit the results are incredible[2]. I honestly have no idea what happened with Pro 2.5 the first time. [1]: https://g.co/gemini/share/5767894ee3bc https://g.co/gemini/share/5767894ee3bc [2]: https://g.co/gemini/share/a48c00eb6089 https://g.co/gemini/share/a48c00eb6089
- byteknight 1y ago
  Are you doing roleplay?
  - johnfn 1y ago
    What?
- GaggiX 1y ago
  "Google AI Studio" and select the model
- SpaceManNabs 1y ago
  sometimes these bots just go awry. i wish you could checkpoint spots in a conversation so you could replay from a that point, maybe with a push in the latent space or a new seed.
crustaceansoup 1y ago
I tried to reproduce the fork/spaghetti example and the fashion bubble example, and neither looks anything like what they present. The outputs are very consistent, too. I am copying/pasting the images out of the advertisement page so they may be lower resolution than the original inputs, but otherwise I'm using the same prompts and getting a wildly different result. It does look like I'm using the new model, though. I'm getting image editing results that are well beyond what the old stuff was capable of.
- mortenjorck 1y ago
  The output consistency is interesting. I just went through half a dozen generations of my standard image model challenge, (to date I have yet to see a model that can render piano keyboard octaves correctly, and Gemini 2.5 Flash Image is no different in that regard), and as best I can tell, there are no changes at all between successive attempts: https://g.co/gemini/share/a0e1e264b5e9 https://g.co/gemini/share/a0e1e264b5e9 This is in stark contrast to ChatGPT, where an edit prompt typically yields both requested and unrequested changes to the image; here it seems to be neither.
  - BoorishBears 1y ago
    Flash 2.0 Image had the same issue: it does better than gpt-image for maintaining consistency in edits, but that also introduces a gap where sometimes it gets "locked in" on a particular reference image and will struggle to make changes to it. In some cases you'll pass in multiple images + a prompt and get back something that's almost visually indistinguishable from just one of the images and nothing from the prompt.
- crustaceansoup 1y ago
  Wildly different and subjectively less "presentable", to be clear. The fashion bubble just generates a vague bubble shape with the subject inside it instead of the"subject flying through the sky inside a bubble" presented on the site. The other case just adds the fork to the bowl of spaghetti. Both are reproducible. Arguably they follow the prompt better than what Google is showing off, but at the same time look less impressive.
t_mahmood 1y ago
After the rugpull of Android, are we really going to trust Google with anything?
- jeffbee 1y ago
  What does the first phrase even mean?
  - jfoster 1y ago
    I think it's a reference to this & similar things: https://9to5google.com/2025/08/25/android-apps-developer-verification/ https://9to5google.com/2025/08/25/android-apps-developer-ver...
    - t_mahmood 1y ago
      Yes, this is what I was talking about
  - t_mahmood 1y ago
    I think I should have used the word enshittification of Android. And, I need to brush up my writing, it's getting progressively worse.
idiotsecant 1y ago
This is going to be so helpful for all the poorly photoshopped Chinese junk eBay listings.
runarberg 1y ago
Still fails the “full glass of wine” test, and still shows many of the artifacts typical of AI generated images like non-nonsensical text, misplacement of objects, etc. To be honest I am kind of glad. As AI generated images proliferate, I am hoping it will be easier for humans to call them out as AI.
vunderba 1y ago
I've updated the GenAI Image comparison site (which focuses heavily on strict text-to-image prompt adherence) to reflect the new Google Gemini 2.5 Flash model (aka nano-banana). https://genai-showdown.specr.net https://genai-showdown.specr.net This model gets 8 of the 12 prompts correct and easily comes within striking distance of the best-in-class models Imagen and gpt-image-1 and is a significant upgrade over the old Gemini Flash 2.0 model. The reigning champ, gpt-image-1, only manages to edge out Flash 2.5 on the maze and 9-pointed star. What's honestly most astonishing to me is how long gpt-image-1 has remained at the top of the class - closing in on half a year which is basically a lifetime in this field. Though fair warning, gpt-image-1 is borderline useless as an "editor" since it almost always changes the whole image instead of doing localized inpainting-style edits like Kontext, Qwen, or Nano-Banana. Comparison of gpt-image-1, flash, and imagen. https://genai-showdown.specr.net?models=OPENAI_4O%2CIMAGEN_4%2CGEMINI_FLASH_2%2CGEMINI_FLASH_2_5_NANO_BANANA https://genai-showdown.specr.net?models=OPENAI_4O%2CIMAGEN_4...
- mrcwinn 1y ago
  I really enjoyed reviewing this! Good work.
- gundmc 1y ago
  > Though fair warning, gpt-image-1 is borderline useless as an "editor" since it almost always changes the whole image instead of doing localized inpainting-style edits like Kontext, Qwen, or Nano-Banana. Came into this thread looking for this post. It's a great way to compare prompt adherence across models. Have you considered adding editing capabilities in a similar way given the recent trend of inpainting-style prompting?
  - vunderba 1y ago
    Adding a separate section for image editing capabilities is a great idea. I've done some experimentation with Qwen and Kontext and been pretty impressed, but it would be nice to see some side by sides now that we have essentially three models that are capable of highly localized in-painting without affecting the rest of the image. https://mordenstar.com/blog/edits-with-kontext https://mordenstar.com/blog/edits-with-kontext
shashankpritam 1y ago
Are men not attractive? Or perhaps for Google, this blog is a targeted content? But who is it targeting? I would like to see the reasoning behind using all women images (at the least the top/first ones) to show off the model capabilities. I have noticed this trend in the image manipulation business a lot.
- rd 1y ago
  The average man finds the average woman more attractive than the average woman finds the average man. Replace attractive with (eye-catching/attention-grabbing/motivating/retention-boosting).
  - shashankpritam 1y ago
    Oh, in that case, it makes sense. Also, I think men/women consume different kind of media and this is one of those "men dominated" corner of the internet. I also think due to trainig data bias - there could be some difference in quality with different subjects. So, they might be showing off their best of best.
- zoeysmithe 1y ago
  Because tech is largely male dominated and has inherent sexism/patriarchy and images of women, especially conventionally attractive ones, has the perception of aiding sales. Also women are seen as more cooperative and submissive, hence so many home assistants and AI being women's voices/femme coded.
  - shashankpritam 1y ago
    Thank you for saying that. When I posted that GP comment - it got immediately downvoted and I couldn't even see my comment on the thread. I kind of expected to get it tagged 'meta/off-topic' and removed. The way I see it - corporations would like to exploit prejudices for revenue. Of course, this is not something new. But it is a societal issue and the corporate world is playing a large role in it. For context this was the original link - https://deepmind.google/models/gemini/image/ https://deepmind.google/models/gemini/image/
skybrian 1y ago
Like most image generators, it didn’t pass the piano keyboard test. (Black keys are wrong.) https://aistudio.google.com/app/prompts?state=%7B%22ids%22:%5B%221tWprDfMdTpOYRm08ugIJsvN15mF09vB9%22%5D,%22action%22:%22open%22,%22userId%22:%22114156500057804356924%22,%22resourceKeys%22:%7B%7D%7D&usp=sharing https://aistudio.google.com/app/prompts?state=%7B%22ids%22:%...
- mikepurvis 1y ago
  Interesting! I feel like that's maybe similar to the business of being able to correctly generate images of text— it looks like the idea of a keyboard to a non-musician, but is immediately wrong to someone who is actually familiar with it at all. I wonder if the bot is forced to generate something new— certainly for a prompt like that it would be acceptable to just pick the first result off a google image search and be like "there, there's your picture of a piano keyboard".
- joombaga 1y ago
  What is the piano keyboard test? Your link requires granting AI Studio access to Google Drive, which I do not want to do.
  - raincole 1y ago
    Just ask it to generate a correct piano keyboard. It's something the current gen of image generator AIs fail at.
    - ZiiS 1y ago
      Do most humans pass?
      - adzm 1y ago
        2-2-1-2-2-2-1
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cchance 1y ago
did they actually roll it out i cant seem to find the option to use it Edit: Nevermind its not in gemini for everyone yet, its in aistudio though
__rito__ 1y ago
I am glad that I never decided to become a photoshop pro. I always contemplated about it, seemed attractive for a while, but glad that I decided against it. RIP r/photoshopbattles. It was in the endless list of new shiny 'skills' that feels good to have. Now I can use nano-banana instead. Other models will soon follow, I am sure.
- echelon 1y ago
  Programming and everything else will eventually fall to automation, too. It's just a matter of time. Engineering probably takes a while (5 years? 10 years?) because errors multiply and technical debt stacks up. In images, that's not so much of a big deal. You can re-roll. The context and consequences are small. In programs, bad code leads to an unmaintainable mess and you're stuck with it. But eventually this will catch up with us too.
  - quantumHazer 1y ago
    Both of you are wrong and this is not good discussion level for HN
    - echelon 1y ago
      I'm unclear as to which side of the argument you're taking. If you think that these tools don't automate most existing graphics design work, you're gravely mistaken. The question is whether this increases the amount of work to be done because more people suddenly need these skills. I'm of the opinion that this does in fact increase demand. Suddenly your mom and pop plumbing business will want Hollywood level VFX for their ads, and that's just the start.
    - casey2 1y ago
      If being wrong isn't good discussion for HN then they should delete the site
- esafak 1y ago
  Retouching is an art. To the pro, this is just another tool to increase efficiency. You pay them not just for knowing how to use Photoshop, but for exercising good judgement. That said, I imagine this will shrink the field, since fewer retouchers will be able to do the same work, unless the amount of work goes up commensurately. Will people get more retouching done if the price goes down? Not sure.
TrousersHoisted 1y ago
What is the "flash image?" I don't see anything downloadable there...
dboreham 1y ago
Hmm...assumed this was a model shipped on a flash drive...
casey2 1y ago
4 out of 7 images show a woman 1 out of 7 show a man I feel like this is trying to advertise power over women to men. Which makes it evil.
asadm 1y ago
this is amazing. I just wish models would have more non-textual controls. I don't want to TYPE my instructions. We need a better UI for editing images with AI.
- mh- 1y ago
  Can you expand on that? What would ideal look like to you?
- ojr 1y ago
  You want to use a mouse and keyboard and learn 20 buttons like it's 1990?
  - asadm 1y ago
    yes! for extremely precise edits.
  - yborg 1y ago
    I don't want to converse with a 4 year old with the world's photo libraries at its disposal. I spent 10 minutes trying to convince the model to add a watch to a person's left arm instead of the right arm and it would not do it, it apparently could not get the idea on this particular image. If I had a drawing tool I could circle where I wanted it and say 'THERE, stupid'. Next year when we have AGI all of this will be moot of course, but for now Photoshop isn't going away.
ragazzina 1y ago
"Can you make a version of this picture where I wear the best possible sunglasses for my face shape?" made me realize that AI image modification is now technically flawless, utterly devoid of taste, and that I myself am a rather unattractive fellow.
mortsnort 1y ago
At $0.02 per image, it's prohibitively expensive for many use-cases. For comparison, the cheapest Flux model (Schnell) is $0.003 per image.
- arresin 1y ago
  Schnell isn’t AR and doesn’t do editing.
  - mortsnort 1y ago
    Fair but the Gemini "flash" branding implies it's their model for speed/scale in my mind.
- zeknife 1y ago
  How many images do you need? What are the use-cases that need a bunch of artificial yet photoreal images produced or altered without human supervision?
  - skybrian 1y ago
    I think people still expect a lot of trial and error before getting a usable image. At 2 cents per pull of the slot machine lever, it would still take a while, though.
- sergiotapia 1y ago
  yes, too expensive for my use case. Service Cost per Image Cost per 1,000 Images Flux Schnell $0.003 $3.00 Gemini 1.5 Flash $0.039 $39.00
bawana 1y ago
Google is eating adobe
esamust 1y ago
Strange. I was excited to play around with the 2.5 flash image after testing the nano banana in LMarena, but the results are not at all the same? So I went back to LMarena to replicate my earlier tests but it's way worse than when it was nano banana? Did I miss something?
captainregex 1y ago
anyone else get excited about nano and then sad when you realized it’s not actually a small model
BoorishBears 1y ago
I'm really waiting for a Pro sized Gemini model with image output. I experimented heavily with 2.0 for a site I work on, but it never left preview and it had some gaps that were clearly due to being a small model (like lacking world knowledge, struggling with repetition, missing nuance in instructions, etc.) 2.5 Flash/nano-banana is a major step up but still has small model gaps peeking through. It still gets to "locked in" states where it's just repeating itself, which is a similar failure mode of small models for creative writing tasks. A 2.5 Pro would likely close those gaps and definitively beat gpt-image-1
mNovak 1y ago
These models still seem to struggle with getting repeated patterns right. Others have mentioned piano keys; I've noticed they also almost always fail to generate a valid Go board.
jngiam1 1y ago
Is this related to https://nanobanana.ai/ https://nanobanana.ai/ at all? It’s what comes up when I search for it
- polynomial 1y ago
  Asking the important questions.
oulipo2 1y ago
I tried it, it gave a poor quality image that wasn't even what I asked for. I then asked for a correction, and it gave me another faulty image. Doesn't seem to be there
darrinm 1y ago
Has anyone tested how generation speed compares to gpt-image-1?
- cornedor 1y ago
  It's consistently around 10 seconds, often faster.
torginus 1y ago
A bit mixed opinions - I tried colorizing manga pages with it, and the results were perfect. Interestingly, it can change pages with tons of text on them without any problem, but cannot seem to do translation, if I ask it to translate a French comic page, the text ends up garbled (even though it can perfectly read and translate the text by itself). I tried with another page, and it copypasted the same character (in different poses!) all over the panels. Absolutely uncanny! However when I asked to remake a Western comic book in a manga style (provided a very similar manga page to the comic one), it totally failed. Also about 50% of the time, it just tells me it'll generate the image but doesn't actually do it - not sure what's going on but a retry fixes it, but it's annoying.
- anyg 1y ago
  I had a similar experience. It did not change the text on a hat (ended up changing 1 of 3 words). On one occasion it regenerated the same image again, ignoring my instructions to edit. I get the feeling that this model is optimised for images with people in it than objects or drawings etc
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carlosbaraza 1y ago
Unfortunately, it suffers from the same safetyism than other many releases. Half of the prompts get rejected. How can you have character consistency if the model is forbidden from editing any human. And most of my photo editing involves humans, so basically this is just a useless product. I get that Google doesn't want to be responsible for deep fake advances, but that seems inevitable, so this is just slightly delaying progress. Eventually we will have to face it and allow for society to adapt. This trend of tools that point a finger at you and set guardrails is quite frustrating. We might need a new OSS movement to regain our freedom.
- mudkipdev 1y ago
  I was using Veo two days ago when video generations were free. I removed all words that sounded even remotely bad, but it still refused. Eventually gave up but now I'm thinking it's because I tried to generate myself
- Workaccount2 1y ago
  I have an old photo of my girlfriend with her cousin when they were young, wearing Christmas dresses in front of the tree, not long before they were separated to other sides of the world for decades now. The photo is itself low quality on top of the photo itself being physically beat up. So far no model is willing to clean it up :/
  - boppo1 1y ago
    If you are not personally offended by looking at CRAZY pornography, you could start digging into the comfyui ecosystem. It's not all porn, there are lots of pro photo-manipulators doing sfw stuff, but the community overlap with NSFW is basically borderless, so you'll probably bump into it. However, the results the comfyui people get are lightyears ahead of any oneshot-prompt model. Either you can find someone to do cleanup for you (should be trivial, I wouldn't pay more than $10-15) or if you have good specs for inference you could learn to do it yourself.
  - gaudystead 1y ago
    There are reddit communities (I admittedly don't remember which, but could probably be found from a simple search) where people will offer their photo editing skills to touch up the photo, often for free. Could be worth trying a real human if the robots are going full HAL 9000 and telling you they can't do it.
artursapek 1y ago
There are so many uses for this it boggles my mind. Ecommerce, real estate, advertising...
greatgib 1y ago
All images created or edited with Gemini 2.5 Flash Image will include an invisible SynthID digital watermark, so they can be identified as AI-generated or edited. Obviously I understand what is the purpose and the good intention, but I think sad to see that we are not not anymore responsible adults but big corps deciding for us what we can and what we cannot do. Snitching on your back.
- cl0ckt0wer 1y ago
  dont worry, you can just screenshot the image to get rid of the watermark
  - fwip 1y ago
    That's not correct. The watermark is robust to screenshots, file format changes (saving as jpeg/png) and at least light transformation (cropping, saturation level adjustment, etc).
- LZ_Khan 1y ago
  I don't see the problem as it's not like you're forced to use their image generation model.
- brokencode 1y ago
  At what point in time were we ever responsible adults with technology? Deepfakes have the potential to totally destroy the average person’s already tenuous connection with reality outside of their immediate vicinity. Some will be fooled by an endless stream of fakes and others will never believe anything again. Politicians will dismiss footage of them doing or saying something bad as fake. And many times, they’ll be telling the truth. We are already living in a post-fact world to some extent, but buckle up, because it’s about to get a lot worse.
- kiratp 1y ago
  It's an arms race. https://removemysynthid.com/tools/images https://removemysynthid.com/tools/images
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minimaxir 1y ago
There is one thing Gemini 2.5 Flash Image can do that no other edit model can do: incorporate multiple images simultaneously without shenanigans due to its multimodality, e.g. for Flux Kontext, if you want to "put the person in the first image into the second image", you have to concatenate them pre-VAE which can be unwieldly, but this model doesn't have that issue. You can even incorporate more than two images, but that may cause too much chaos. In quick testing, prompt adherence does appear to be much better for massive prompt and the syntatic sugar does appear to be more effective. And there are other tricks not covered which I suspect may allow more control, but I'm still testing. Given that generations are at the same price as its competitors, this model will shake things up.
- blinding-streak 1y ago
  I very much enjoy this feature. My next door neighbor is on vacation, and I'm feeding his fish for him. I took a picture of the fish tank and asked Gemini to put the fish tank at various local tourist attractions in my city, as if we're going on day trips. I send him one photo a day and he's been loving it. Just a fun little thing to put a smile on his face (and mine).
  - Auracle 1y ago
    Fun fact - I trained a lora on our almost-toddler at the time on SDXL and generated images of her doing dangerous things to send to my wife the first day she had a trip away from us. It was all fun and games until the little shit crawled out of our doggy door for the first and only time when I was going to the bathroom. As I was looking for her I got a notification we were in a tornado warning. Luckily the dog knew where she had gone and led me to her, having crawled down our (3 step) deck, across our yard, and was standing looking up at the angry clouds.
- ojr 1y ago
  it can't put two images of people together in one photo, this model still has the issue, also, I have seen cases where Flux Kontext works better in things like removing objects
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FergusArgyll 1y ago
Google really needed something viral, this may be it...
jjangkke 1y ago
im sure that lot of users are doing this right now and i wonder what the implication of this is, anybody with a photo of you (even just a face) can now generate photos of you in anyway they desire. its only a matter of time before this can be used to generate coherence with nudity on consumer hardware.
b0ner_t0ner 1y ago
Here's a non-SVG version of a pelican riding a bicycle: https://ibb.co/6RPfBDyM https://ibb.co/6RPfBDyM https://i.postimg.cc/dt7FsTWK/87-YE4j1-UC4x-Fp-Yo5t4wq-output.png https://i.postimg.cc/dt7FsTWK/87-YE4j1-UC4x-Fp-Yo5t4wq-outpu...
atleastoptimal 1y ago
I can imagine an automated blackmail bot that scrapes image, video, voice samples from anyone with the most meagre online presence, which then creates high resolution videos of that person doing the most horrid acts, then threatening to share those videos with that person's family, friends and business contacts unless they are paid $5000 in a cryptocurrency to an anonymous address. And further, I can imagine some person actually having such footage of themselves being threatened to be released, then using the former narrative as a cover story were it to be released. Is there anything preventing AI generated images, video, etc from being always detectible by software that can intuit if something is AI? what if random noise is added, would the "Is AI" signal persist just as much as the indication to human that the footage seems real?
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- m3kw9 1y ago
  If you are willing to pay once, you will be re-targeted. Just like Facebook ads
- atonse 1y ago
  I’m also wondering if the opposite will be true. That people might claim something is AI generated to discredit it?
- goosejuice 1y ago
  SynthID claims to be designed to persist through several methods of modification. I suspect such attacks you mention will happen, but by those with deep pockets. Like a nation-state actor with access to models that don't produce watermarks.
- shibeprime 1y ago
  I’m more bullish on cryptographic receipts than on AI detectors. Capture signing (C2PA) plus an identity bind could give verifiable origin. The hard parts, in my view, are adoption and platform plumbing. If we have a trust worthy way to verify proof-of-human made content than anything missing those creds would be red flags. https://iptc.org/news/googles-pixel-10-phone-supports-c2pa-using-iptc-digital-source-type/ https://iptc.org/news/googles-pixel-10-phone-supports-c2pa-u...
flux1krea 1y ago
The consistency of the characters is really astonishing.It can be used for free at https://www.nano-banana.com https://www.nano-banana.com
starchild3001 1y ago
This feels like a real inflection point for image editing models. What stood out to me isn’t just the raw generative quality, but the consistency across edits and the ability to blend multiple references without falling apart. That’s something people have been hacking around with pipelines (Midjourney → Photoshop → Inpainting tool), but seeing it consolidated in one model/API makes workflows dramatically simpler. That said, I think we’re still in the “GPT-3.5” phase of image editing: amazing compared to what came before, but still tripping over repeated patterns (keyboards, clocks, Go boards, hands) and sometimes refusing edits due to safety policies. The gap between hype demos and reproducible results is also very real; I’ve seen outputs veer from flawless to poor with just a tiny prompt tweak.
ahmeni 1y ago
Really like how they were so excited to release this that they managed to break existing SKUs and cause a bunch of GCP customers to get billed at 100x rates for text tokens as flash image generation tokens.
- UltraSane 1y ago
  Ouch. that is not going to be fun to clean up.
jari_mustonen 1y ago
Is it capable of generating white males? Given that this has been a serious problem with Google models, I would guess it would have been a good thing to at least add one such example in the marketing material. If the marketing material is to be believed, the model really prefers black females.
- BoorishBears 1y ago
  > Given that this has been a serious problem with Google models It hasn't been though, has it? At one point one of their earliest image gen models had a prompting problem: they tried to have the LLM doing prompt expansion avoid always generating white people, since they realized white people were significantly overrepresented in their training data compared to their proportion of the population. Unfortunately that prompt expansion would sometimes clash with cases where there was a specific race required for historical accuracy. AFAIK they fixed that ages ago and it stopped being an issue.
tpoacher 1y ago
They should have called it emacs-banana, just to piss more people off. And then call the next model vim-banana and start the editor-banana wars. In all seriousness though, I'm seeing a worrying trend where google is hijacking well-known project names from other domains more and more now, with the "accidental"(?) side-effect of diluting their searchability and discoverability online, to the point I can no longer believe it is mere coincidence (whether malicious or not is another story altogether of course, but even if not, this is still a worrying trend). I mean, what's next? Gopher 2.5 GIMP Video aka sublime-apple?
vector3 1y ago
Is this truly "native" to Gemini 2.5 Flash as they call it? Isn't this a dedicated and different text-to-image model hooked up to Gemini 2.5 Flash with function calling? or do they somehow merge the weights of the two models whilst also not incurring in side effects like degradation in performance?
orloffm 1y ago
So it doesn't allow to do anything with photos containing kids, right? Isn't it too much of a filter for such a thing? ChatGPT thankfully created Ghibli versions of everything I gave it.
- dsrtslnd23 1y ago
  yes - any children images seem to be banned. Can't create a children's book with reference image.
ljx2685222739 1y ago
Is this connected to https://imgfx.dev/ https://imgfx.dev/ ? That’s the site I see when I search for it.
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boyka 1y ago

> When we first launched native image generation in Gemini 2.0 Flash earlier this year, you told us you loved its low latency, cost-effectiveness, and ease of use. I wasn't aware there is a channel where Google asks for feedback or where you are able to tell them that you love it. I only see a "report a problem button". Which channel is it?

theptip 1y ago
Let me tell you about this app called “X”, formerly known as “Twitter”. People use it to post their opinions about products, among other things.

dongking2 1y ago

Are https://nanobanana.ai/ https://nanobanana.ai/ and https://nanobanana.info/ https://nanobanana.info/ created by the same people? What are the differences?

dostick 1y ago
Both likely fake. Only Google hosted and FAL/Replcate are real.

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dallen97 1y ago

Been testing both Flux Krea and Nano Banana for image editing tasks. Honestly, they’re closer than people think. Flux Krea nails character consistency and semantic edits—especially when working with multi-turn prompts. Nano Banana (aka Gemini 2.5 Flash) feels snappier and handles multi-image composition surprisingly well. I used this test site to benchmark them side by side. https://flux-krea.app/ https://flux-krea.app/ Results? Comparable quality, but different strengths. Flux is better for precision edits and prompt adherence. Nano Banana shines in speed and creative blending. Pick your tool based on workflow, not hype.

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wtarreau 1y ago

Just doesn't work for me, it says "here's the combined image" after ~10s but shows nothing at all. Maybe already victim of its success ?

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keepamovin 1y ago

Those examples are gorgeous and amazing. This is really cool.

gitaarik 1y ago

I added a picture of myself as an attachment and asked it to put me in a professional dev environment. Worked very good and was also very funny. Then I asked it to put me in a scene where I'm meeting Frank Zappa in his studio. Then it gave an error with "Content blocked, Content not permitted". Interesting..

sam1234apter 1y ago

this model is awesome - now anyone can build photo ai apps

qoez 1y ago

Anyone know how it handles '1920s nazi officer'? They stopped doing humans for a while but now I see they're back so I wonder how they're handling the criticism they got from that

napo 1y ago
it said: "I can create images about lots of things but not that. Can I try a different one for you?"
- napo 1y ago
  when giving more context it replied: """ Unfortunately, I can't generate images of people. My purpose is to be helpful and harmless, and creating realistic images of humans can be misused in ways that are harmful. This is a safety policy that helps prevent the generation of deepfakes, non-consensual imagery, and other problematic content. If you'd like to try a different image prompt, I can help you create images of a wide range of other subjects, such as animals, landscapes, objects, or abstract concepts. """
  - bastawhiz 1y ago
    What a weird rejection. You have to scroll pretty far in the article to see an example output that doesn't have a realistic depiction of a person.
    - tanaros 1y ago
      The rejection message doesn’t seem to be accurate. I tried “happy person” as a prompt in AI Studio and it generated a happy human without any complaints. It’s possible that they relaxed the safety filtering to allow humans but forgot to update the error message.
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dpoloncsak 1y ago

I've been looking for a whitepaper or something. So far I've found this...which is not a whitepaper but seems relevant https://developers.googleblog.com/en/introducing-gemini-2-5-flash-image/ https://developers.googleblog.com/en/introducing-gemini-2-5-... It seems like this is 'nano-banana' all along

lemonish97 1y ago
Yes, they mention that the model is aka nano-banana in the blogpost

lifthrasiir 1y ago

FYI, this is the famed nano-banana model which has been now renamed to gemini-2.5-flash-image-preview in LMArena.

Mistletoe 1y ago
https://medium.com/data-science-in-your-pocket/what-is-google-nano-banana-googles-secret-ai-for-images-2958f9ab11e3 https://medium.com/data-science-in-your-pocket/what-is-googl... For people like me that don’t know what nano-banana is.
- mock-possum 1y ago
  Wow I hate the ‘voice’ in that article - big if true though.
  - daemonologist 1y ago
    I suspect the "voice" is a language model with a bad system prompt. (Possibly the author's own words run through an LLM, to be charitable.)
    - 3036e4 1y ago
      It's medium.com. YouTube comments quality text packaged as clickbait articles for some revenue share. It was always slop, even without LLMs. Do they even bother with paying human authors now or is the entire site just generated? That would probably be cheaper and improve quality.
      - debugnik 1y ago
        > Do they even bother with paying human authors now I thought Medium was a stuck up blogging platform. Other than for paid subscriptions, why would they pay bloggers? Are they trying to become the next HuffPost or something?
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simedw 1y ago

The model is only available in AI Studio when I set my VPN to the USA (I’m located in the UK).

ctippett 1y ago
Also in the UK and I could access the model just fine from AI studio, no VPN required.

patates 1y ago

It seems that they still block access from Europe, or from Germany at least.

punkpeye 1y ago
Use one of the router services
kridsdale1 1y ago
Get less contradictory regulations, then.
- kneegerm 1y ago
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  - rvnx 1y ago
    In EU they forbid us newspapers from non-approved countries, impose cookies banners everywhere, and now block porn. Soon they will forbid some AI models which have not passed EU censorship ("safety") validation. Because we all know that governments (or even Google with Android) are better at knowing what is the safest for you. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/eu-rules-general-purpose-ai-models-start-apply-bringing-more-transparency-safety-and-accountability#:~:text=From%20August%202%2C%20providers%20must,compliance%20by%202%20August%202027. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/eu-rules-gener...
    - krige 1y ago
      How do you do, fellow europeans?
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mindprince 1y ago

What is the difference between Gemini Flash Image models and the Imagen models?

famouswaffles 1y ago
Imagen is a diffusion text to image model. You write some text that describes your image, you get an image out and that's it. Flash Image is an image (and text) predicting large language model. In a similar fashion to how trained LLMs can manipulate/morph text, this can do that for images as well. Things like style transfer, character consistency etc. You can communicate with it in a way you can't for imagen, and it has a better overall world understanding.
raincole 1y ago
Imagen: Stable Diffusion, but by Google Gemini Flash Image: ChatGPT image, but by Google

mkl 1y ago

That lamp example is pretty impressive (though it's hard to know how cherry-picked it is). The lamp is plugged in, it's lighting the things in the scene, it's casting shadows.

j_m_b 1y ago

If this can do character consistency, that's huge. Just make it do the same for video...

ACCount37 1y ago
It's probably built on reused "secret sauce" from the video generation models.

asdev 1y ago

Looks like AI image generation is converging to a local maximum as well

therealmarv 1y ago

What is the max input and output resolution of images? This is why I'm sticking mostly to Adobe Photoshop's AI editing because there are no restrictions in that regard.

abdusco 1y ago
Around 1 megapixel, AFAICT.
qingcharles 1y ago
In my testing it has been stuck at 1024x1024. Have to upscale with something...

elorant 1y ago

I have a certain use case for such image generators. Feed them an entire news article I fetch from bbc and ask it to create an image to accompany the article. Thus far only midjourney managed to understand context. And now this, which is even more impressive. We live in interesting times.

oracleclyde 1y ago
I just tried it inside Gemini with a Medium article. Here's my prompt: "Read the article at this url and provide a hero image that incapsulates the message the author wants to convey: https://bioneers.org/supreme-oligarchy-billionaires-supreme-court-betraying-promise-america/ https://bioneers.org/supreme-oligarchy-billionaires-supreme-..." The response was a summary of the article that was pretty good, along with an image that dagnabbit, read the assignment.
vunderba 1y ago
I think most of the SOTA models could probably handle this but you'd probably get better results using a pipeline: 1. Reduce article to a synopsis using an LLM 2. Generate 4-5 varying description prompts from the synopsis 3. Feed the prompts to an imagegen model Though I'd wager that gpt-image-1 (in the ChatGPT) being multimodal could probably managed it as well.

Narciss 1y ago

Nano banana is here!

lyu07282 1y ago

still fails at analog clocks, if anyone else was also wondering

kumarm 1y ago

Seems to be failing at API Calls right now with "You exceeded your current quota, please check your plan and billing details. For more information on this error," Hope they get API issues resolved soon.

stuckinhell 1y ago

Is this the "nano banana" thing the art ai world was going crazy about recently ?

SweetSoftPillow 1y ago
Yes it is

abdusco 1y ago

I love that it's substantially faster than ChatGPT's image generation. It takes ages, so slow that the app tells you to not wait and sends you notification when the generation finishes.

andrewinardeer 1y ago
"Generate an image of OpenAI investors after using Gemini 2.5 Flash Image"

adidoit 1y ago

Very impressive. I have to say while I'm deeply impressed by these text to image models, there's a part of me that's also wary of their impact. Just look at the comments beneath the average Facebook post.

knicholes 1y ago
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- lionkor 1y ago
  Not to victim-shame or anything, but that sounds more like more than one safety mechanism failed, the convincing tech only being a rather small part of it?
  - hansonkd 1y ago
    I think the biggest failure is on the part of the companies hosting these streams. Its been a while, but I remember seeing streams for Elon offering to "double your bitcoin" and the reasoning was he wanted to increase the adoption and load test the network. Just send some bitcoin to some address and he will send it back double! But the thing was it was on youtube. Hosted on an imposter Tesla page. The stream had been going on for hours and had over ten thousand people watching live. If you searched "Elon Musk Bitcoin" During the stream on Google, Google actually pushed that video as the first result. Say what you want about the victims of the scam, but I think it should be pretty easy for youtube or other streaming companies to have a simple rule to simply filter all live streams with Elon Musk + (Crypto|BTC|etc) in the title and be able to filter all youtube pages with "Tesla" "SpaceX" etc in the title.
    - lionkor 1y ago
      I feel like somehow that would lessen it, but not really help much? There are obviously people with too much money in BTC who are trying to take any gamble to increase its value. It sounds like a deeper societal issue.

radarsat1 1y ago

I've had a task in mind for a while now that I've wanted to do with this latest crop of very capable instruction-following image editors. Without going into detail, basically the task boils down to, "generate exactly image 1, but replace object A with the object depicted in image 2." Where image 2 is some front-facing generic version, ideally I want the model to place this object perfectly in the scene, replacing the existing object, that I have identified ideally exactly by being able to specify its position, but otherwise by just being able to describe very well what to do. For models that can't accept multiple images, I've tried a variation where I put a blue box around the object that I want to replace, and paste the object that I want it to put there at the bottom of the image on its own. I've tried some older models, and ChatGPT, also qwen-image last week, and just now, this one. They all fail at it. To be fair, this model got pretty damn close, it replaced the wrong object in the scene, but it was close to the right position, and the object was perfectly oriented and lit. But it was wrong. (Using the bounding box method.. it should have been able to identify exactly what I wanted to do. Instead it removed the bounding box and replaced a different object in a different but close-by position.) Are there any models that have been specifically trained to be able to infill or replace specific locations in an image with reference to an example image? Or is this just like a really esoteric task? So far all the in-filling models I've found are only based on text inputs.

rushingcreek 1y ago
Yes! There is a model called ACE++ from Alibaba that is specifically trained to replace masked areas with a reference image. We use it in https://phind.design https://phind.design. It does seem like a very esoteric and uncommon task though.
- ceroxylon 1y ago
  I don't think it is that esoteric, that sounds like deepfake 101. If you don't mind answering, does Phind do anything to prevent / mitigate this?
- radarsat1 1y ago
  Oh cool thanks I haven't come across that one, I'll give it a shot.

awestroke 1y ago

Internal server error. lol

GaggiX 1y ago

An image seems to be 256 tokens looking the AIstudio tab, so you can generate 3906,25 images per 1M tokens, that seems a lot if I'm not wrong in some ways. Edit: the blog post is now loading and reports "1290 output tokens per image" even though on the AI studio it said something different.

beyonddream 1y ago

“Internal server error Sorry, there seems to be an error. Please try again soon.” Never thought I would ever see this on a google owned websites!

lionkor 1y ago
A cheap quip would be "it's vibe-coded", but that might actually very well be the case at this point!
reaperducer 1y ago
Never thought I would ever see this on a google owned websites! Really? Google used to be famous not only for its errors, but for its creative error pages. I used to have a google.com bookmark that would send an animated 418.

fariszr 1y ago

This is the gpt 4 moment for image editing models. Nano banana aka gemini 2.5 flash is insanely good. It made a 171 elo point jump in lmarena! Just search nano banana on Twitter to see the crazy results. An example. https://x.com/D_studioproject/status/1958019251178267111 https://x.com/D_studioproject/status/1958019251178267111

ceroxylon 1y ago
It seems like every combination of "nano banana" is registered as a domain with their own unique UI for image generation... are these all middle actors playing credit arbitrage using a popular model name?
- bonoboTP 1y ago
  I'd assume they are just fake, take your money and use a different model under the hood. Because they already existed before the public release. I doubt that their backend rolled the dice on LMArena until nano-banana popped up. And that was the only way to use it until today.
  - ceroxylon 1y ago
    Agreed, I didn't mean to imply that they were even attempting to run the actual nano banana, even through LMarena. There is a whole spectrum of potential sketchiness to explore with these, since I see a few "sign in with Google" buttons that remind me of phishing landing pages.
- vunderba 1y ago
  They're almost all scams. Nano banana AI image generator sites were showing up when this model was still only available in LM Arena.
koakuma-chan 1y ago
Why is it called nano banana?

notsylver 1y ago

I digitised our family photos but a lot of them were damaged (shifted colours, spills, fingerprints on film, spots) that are difficult to correct for so many images. I've been waiting for image gen to catch up enough to be able to repair them all in bulk without changing details, especially faces. This looks very good at restoring images without altering details or adding them where they are missing, so it might finally be time.

zwog 1y ago
Do you happen to know some software to repair/improve video files? I'm in the process of digitalizing a couple of Video 2000 and VHS casettes of childhood memories of my mom who start suffering from dementia. I have a pretty streamlined setup for digitalizing the videos but I'd like to improve the quality a bit.
- notsylver 1y ago
  I didn't do any videos, just pictures, but considering how little I found for pictures I doubt you'll find much
- actionfromafar 1y ago
  VHSdecode if you want a rabbit hole.
- nycdatasci 1y ago
  I've used products from topazlabs.com for the same problem and have generally been happy with them.
  - qingcharles 1y ago
    Topaz is probably the SOTA in video restoration, but it can definitely fuck shit up. Use carefully and sparingly and check all the output for weird AI glitches.
Almondsetat 1y ago
All of the defects you have listed can be automatically fixed by using a film scanner with ICE and a software that automatically performs the scan and the restoration like Vuescan. Feeding hundreds (thousands?) of photos to an experimental proprietary cloud AI that will give you back subpar compressed pictures with who knows how many strange artifacts seems unnecessary

modeless 1y ago

This model is very impressive. Yesterday (as nano-banana) I gave it a photo of an indoor scene with a picture hanging on a wall, and asked it the picture on a wall with a copy of the whole photo. It worked perfectly the first time. It didn't succeed in doing the same recursively, but it's still clearly a huge advance in image models.

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jawns 1y ago

I was able to upload my kids' back-to-school photos and ask nano-banana to turn them into a goth, an '80s workout girl, and a tracksuit mafioso. The results were incredibly believable, and I was able to prank my mom with them!

mclau157 1y ago

I could see this destroying a lot of jobs like photography, editing, marketing, etc.

bityard 1y ago
These jobs won't go away. Power tools didn't destroy carpentry. Computers didn't destroy math. But workers who don't embrace these new tools will probably get left behind by those who do.

simianwords 1y ago

L like it but it is very restricted. I can't modify people's faces etc.

yborg 1y ago
Yeah, it doesn't look like the Safety Settings actually do anything, it refuses to edit anything with any words that could be construed to have sexual connotation even with restrictions all turned off.

sandreas 1y ago

I wonder if this could be used for preprocessing documents before doing OCR...

bsenftner 1y ago

All these image models are time vampires and need to be looked at with very suspicious eyes. Try to make a room - that's easy, now try to make multiple views of the same room - next to impossible. If one is intending to use these image models for anything that requires consistency of imagery, forget it.

matsemann 1y ago

Half the time I ask Gemini to generate some image it claims it doesn't have the capability. And in general I've felt it's so hard to actually use the features Google announce? Like, a third of them is in one product, some in another which I can't use, and no idea what or where I should pay to get access. So confusing.

Al-Khwarizmi 1y ago
Yeah, in fact the website says "Try it in Gemini" and I'm not sure if I'm already trying it or not - if I choose Gemini 2.5 Flash in the regular Gemini UI, I'm using this?
- sega_sai 1y ago
  I think not. Because at least in the aistudio there is a dedicated gemini-2.5-flash-image-preview model. So I am assuming it is not available in the standard gemini chat window.
- throwup238 1y ago
  It’s going to be a messy rollout as usual. The web app (gemini.google.com) shows “Images with Imagen” for me under tools for 2.5 flash but I just tried a few image edits and remixes in the iOS app and it looks like it’s been updated to this model.
- oliwary 1y ago
  Also very confused at this... It told me "I'm unable to create images of specific individuals in different settings." I wish it would at least say somewhere which model we are using at the moment.
jeffbee 1y ago
It's not in the Gemini app or site at all. You have to use AI Studio or another means. Yes, this is all very confusing on Google's part.
- IanCal 1y ago

uejfiweun 1y ago

This is pretty remarkable, I'm having a lot of fun playing around with this. Kudos to Google.

kemyd 1y ago

I don't get the hype. Tested it with the same prompts I used with Midjourney, and the results are worse than in Midjourney a year ago. What am I missing?

bonoboTP 1y ago
The hype is about image editing, not pure text-to-image. Upload an input image, say what you want changed, get the output. That's the idea. Much better preservation of characters and objects.
- kemyd 1y ago
  Thanks for clarifying this. That makes a lot more sense.
- appenz 1y ago
  I tested it against Flux Pro Kontext (also image editing) and while it's a very different style and approach I overall like Flux better. More focus on image consistency, adjusts the lighting correctly, fixes contradictions in the image.
  - qingcharles 1y ago
    I've been testing it against Flux Pro Kontext for several weeks. I would say it beats Flux in a majority of tests, but Flux still surprises from time-to-time. Banana definitely isn't the best 100% of the time -- it falls a bit short of that. Evolution, not revolution.
    - vunderba 1y ago
      Agreed. I find myself alternating between Qwen Image Edit 20B, Kontext, and now Flash 2.5 depending on the situation and style. And of course, Flash isn't open-weights, so if you need more control / less censorship then you're SOL.
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chadcmulligan 1y ago

This is technically impressive though I really wish they'd choose other professions to automate than graphic design.

reaperducer 1y ago
AI is supposed to set us all free. Yet, so far all the tech companies have done is eliminate the jobs of the lowest-paid people (artists, writers, photographers, designers) and transfer that money to billionaires. Yay.
- anthonypasq 1y ago
  [Plows] are supposed to set us all free. Yet, so far all the tech companies have done is eliminate the jobs of the lowest-paid people ([field hands]) and transfer that money to landowners. Yay.
  - reaperducer 1y ago
    If you can't understand the difference, perhaps consult one of your AI chat overlords.
    - throitallaway 1y ago
      History repeats itself. Productivity gains the last ~half century have mostly made their way to the top.
dangoodmanUT 1y ago
It’s what data is available, they’re not targeting graphic design

anotheryou 1y ago

Super cheap generation but expensive image upload, do I read that right? https://openrouter.ai/google/gemini-2.5-flash-image-preview https://openrouter.ai/google/gemini-2.5-flash-image-preview

dangoodmanUT 1y ago
That’s like .12 cents per image uploaded
daviding 1y ago
Not sure. If the Flash image output is $30/M [1] then that's pretty similar to gpt-image-1 costs. So a faster and better model perhaps but not really cheaper? [1] https://developers.googleblog.com/en/introducing-gemini-2-5-flash-image/ https://developers.googleblog.com/en/introducing-gemini-2-5-...
- daviding 1y ago
  Since I can't edit, it seems like Flash image is about 23% (4 cents vs 17 cents) of the cost of Openai gpt-image-1, if you're putting an image and prompt in and getting out, say, a 1024x1024 generated image. With the quicker production time that makes it interesting. Expecting Openai to respond at least in terms of pricing, e.g. a flat rate output cap price or something to be comparable.

yuchana 1y ago

The progress is insanely good but imagine the competition between engineers especially there are many people taking up courses in ai and cs

johnfn 1y ago

I naively went onto Gemini in order to try to use the new model and had what I could only describe as the worst conversation I've had with an AI since GPT 3.5[1]. Is this really the model that's on top of the leaderboard right now? This feels about 500 ELO points worse than my typical conversation with GPT 5. Edit: OK, OK, I actually got it to work, and yes, I admit the results are incredible[2]. I honestly have no idea what happened with Pro 2.5 the first time. [1]: https://g.co/gemini/share/5767894ee3bc https://g.co/gemini/share/5767894ee3bc [2]: https://g.co/gemini/share/a48c00eb6089 https://g.co/gemini/share/a48c00eb6089

byteknight 1y ago
Are you doing roleplay?
- johnfn 1y ago
  What?
GaggiX 1y ago
"Google AI Studio" and select the model
SpaceManNabs 1y ago
sometimes these bots just go awry. i wish you could checkpoint spots in a conversation so you could replay from a that point, maybe with a push in the latent space or a new seed.

crustaceansoup 1y ago

I tried to reproduce the fork/spaghetti example and the fashion bubble example, and neither looks anything like what they present. The outputs are very consistent, too. I am copying/pasting the images out of the advertisement page so they may be lower resolution than the original inputs, but otherwise I'm using the same prompts and getting a wildly different result. It does look like I'm using the new model, though. I'm getting image editing results that are well beyond what the old stuff was capable of.

mortenjorck 1y ago
The output consistency is interesting. I just went through half a dozen generations of my standard image model challenge, (to date I have yet to see a model that can render piano keyboard octaves correctly, and Gemini 2.5 Flash Image is no different in that regard), and as best I can tell, there are no changes at all between successive attempts: https://g.co/gemini/share/a0e1e264b5e9 https://g.co/gemini/share/a0e1e264b5e9 This is in stark contrast to ChatGPT, where an edit prompt typically yields both requested and unrequested changes to the image; here it seems to be neither.
- BoorishBears 1y ago
  Flash 2.0 Image had the same issue: it does better than gpt-image for maintaining consistency in edits, but that also introduces a gap where sometimes it gets "locked in" on a particular reference image and will struggle to make changes to it. In some cases you'll pass in multiple images + a prompt and get back something that's almost visually indistinguishable from just one of the images and nothing from the prompt.
crustaceansoup 1y ago
Wildly different and subjectively less "presentable", to be clear. The fashion bubble just generates a vague bubble shape with the subject inside it instead of the"subject flying through the sky inside a bubble" presented on the site. The other case just adds the fork to the bowl of spaghetti. Both are reproducible. Arguably they follow the prompt better than what Google is showing off, but at the same time look less impressive.

t_mahmood 1y ago

After the rugpull of Android, are we really going to trust Google with anything?

jeffbee 1y ago
What does the first phrase even mean?
- jfoster 1y ago
  I think it's a reference to this & similar things: https://9to5google.com/2025/08/25/android-apps-developer-verification/ https://9to5google.com/2025/08/25/android-apps-developer-ver...
  - t_mahmood 1y ago
    Yes, this is what I was talking about
- t_mahmood 1y ago
  I think I should have used the word enshittification of Android. And, I need to brush up my writing, it's getting progressively worse.

idiotsecant 1y ago

This is going to be so helpful for all the poorly photoshopped Chinese junk eBay listings.

runarberg 1y ago

Still fails the “full glass of wine” test, and still shows many of the artifacts typical of AI generated images like non-nonsensical text, misplacement of objects, etc. To be honest I am kind of glad. As AI generated images proliferate, I am hoping it will be easier for humans to call them out as AI.

vunderba 1y ago

I've updated the GenAI Image comparison site (which focuses heavily on strict text-to-image prompt adherence) to reflect the new Google Gemini 2.5 Flash model (aka nano-banana). https://genai-showdown.specr.net https://genai-showdown.specr.net This model gets 8 of the 12 prompts correct and easily comes within striking distance of the best-in-class models Imagen and gpt-image-1 and is a significant upgrade over the old Gemini Flash 2.0 model. The reigning champ, gpt-image-1, only manages to edge out Flash 2.5 on the maze and 9-pointed star. What's honestly most astonishing to me is how long gpt-image-1 has remained at the top of the class - closing in on half a year which is basically a lifetime in this field. Though fair warning, gpt-image-1 is borderline useless as an "editor" since it almost always changes the whole image instead of doing localized inpainting-style edits like Kontext, Qwen, or Nano-Banana. Comparison of gpt-image-1, flash, and imagen. https://genai-showdown.specr.net?models=OPENAI_4O%2CIMAGEN_4%2CGEMINI_FLASH_2%2CGEMINI_FLASH_2_5_NANO_BANANA https://genai-showdown.specr.net?models=OPENAI_4O%2CIMAGEN_4...

mrcwinn 1y ago
I really enjoyed reviewing this! Good work.
gundmc 1y ago
> Though fair warning, gpt-image-1 is borderline useless as an "editor" since it almost always changes the whole image instead of doing localized inpainting-style edits like Kontext, Qwen, or Nano-Banana. Came into this thread looking for this post. It's a great way to compare prompt adherence across models. Have you considered adding editing capabilities in a similar way given the recent trend of inpainting-style prompting?
- vunderba 1y ago
  Adding a separate section for image editing capabilities is a great idea. I've done some experimentation with Qwen and Kontext and been pretty impressed, but it would be nice to see some side by sides now that we have essentially three models that are capable of highly localized in-painting without affecting the rest of the image. https://mordenstar.com/blog/edits-with-kontext https://mordenstar.com/blog/edits-with-kontext

shashankpritam 1y ago

Are men not attractive? Or perhaps for Google, this blog is a targeted content? But who is it targeting? I would like to see the reasoning behind using all women images (at the least the top/first ones) to show off the model capabilities. I have noticed this trend in the image manipulation business a lot.

rd 1y ago
The average man finds the average woman more attractive than the average woman finds the average man. Replace attractive with (eye-catching/attention-grabbing/motivating/retention-boosting).
- shashankpritam 1y ago
  Oh, in that case, it makes sense. Also, I think men/women consume different kind of media and this is one of those "men dominated" corner of the internet. I also think due to trainig data bias - there could be some difference in quality with different subjects. So, they might be showing off their best of best.
zoeysmithe 1y ago
Because tech is largely male dominated and has inherent sexism/patriarchy and images of women, especially conventionally attractive ones, has the perception of aiding sales. Also women are seen as more cooperative and submissive, hence so many home assistants and AI being women's voices/femme coded.
- shashankpritam 1y ago
  Thank you for saying that. When I posted that GP comment - it got immediately downvoted and I couldn't even see my comment on the thread. I kind of expected to get it tagged 'meta/off-topic' and removed. The way I see it - corporations would like to exploit prejudices for revenue. Of course, this is not something new. But it is a societal issue and the corporate world is playing a large role in it. For context this was the original link - https://deepmind.google/models/gemini/image/ https://deepmind.google/models/gemini/image/

skybrian 1y ago

Like most image generators, it didn’t pass the piano keyboard test. (Black keys are wrong.) https://aistudio.google.com/app/prompts?state=%7B%22ids%22:%5B%221tWprDfMdTpOYRm08ugIJsvN15mF09vB9%22%5D,%22action%22:%22open%22,%22userId%22:%22114156500057804356924%22,%22resourceKeys%22:%7B%7D%7D&usp=sharing https://aistudio.google.com/app/prompts?state=%7B%22ids%22:%...

mikepurvis 1y ago
Interesting! I feel like that's maybe similar to the business of being able to correctly generate images of text— it looks like the idea of a keyboard to a non-musician, but is immediately wrong to someone who is actually familiar with it at all. I wonder if the bot is forced to generate something new— certainly for a prompt like that it would be acceptable to just pick the first result off a google image search and be like "there, there's your picture of a piano keyboard".
joombaga 1y ago
What is the piano keyboard test? Your link requires granting AI Studio access to Google Drive, which I do not want to do.
- raincole 1y ago
  Just ask it to generate a correct piano keyboard. It's something the current gen of image generator AIs fail at.
  - ZiiS 1y ago
    Do most humans pass?
    - adzm 1y ago
      2-2-1-2-2-2-1
      - polynomial 1y ago

cchance 1y ago

did they actually roll it out i cant seem to find the option to use it Edit: Nevermind its not in gemini for everyone yet, its in aistudio though

__rito__ 1y ago

I am glad that I never decided to become a photoshop pro. I always contemplated about it, seemed attractive for a while, but glad that I decided against it. RIP r/photoshopbattles. It was in the endless list of new shiny 'skills' that feels good to have. Now I can use nano-banana instead. Other models will soon follow, I am sure.

echelon 1y ago
Programming and everything else will eventually fall to automation, too. It's just a matter of time. Engineering probably takes a while (5 years? 10 years?) because errors multiply and technical debt stacks up. In images, that's not so much of a big deal. You can re-roll. The context and consequences are small. In programs, bad code leads to an unmaintainable mess and you're stuck with it. But eventually this will catch up with us too.
- quantumHazer 1y ago
  Both of you are wrong and this is not good discussion level for HN
  - echelon 1y ago
    I'm unclear as to which side of the argument you're taking. If you think that these tools don't automate most existing graphics design work, you're gravely mistaken. The question is whether this increases the amount of work to be done because more people suddenly need these skills. I'm of the opinion that this does in fact increase demand. Suddenly your mom and pop plumbing business will want Hollywood level VFX for their ads, and that's just the start.
  - casey2 1y ago
    If being wrong isn't good discussion for HN then they should delete the site
esafak 1y ago
Retouching is an art. To the pro, this is just another tool to increase efficiency. You pay them not just for knowing how to use Photoshop, but for exercising good judgement. That said, I imagine this will shrink the field, since fewer retouchers will be able to do the same work, unless the amount of work goes up commensurately. Will people get more retouching done if the price goes down? Not sure.

TrousersHoisted 1y ago

What is the "flash image?" I don't see anything downloadable there...

dboreham 1y ago

Hmm...assumed this was a model shipped on a flash drive...

casey2 1y ago

4 out of 7 images show a woman 1 out of 7 show a man I feel like this is trying to advertise power over women to men. Which makes it evil.

asadm 1y ago

this is amazing. I just wish models would have more non-textual controls. I don't want to TYPE my instructions. We need a better UI for editing images with AI.

mh- 1y ago
Can you expand on that? What would ideal look like to you?
ojr 1y ago
You want to use a mouse and keyboard and learn 20 buttons like it's 1990?
- asadm 1y ago
  yes! for extremely precise edits.
- yborg 1y ago
  I don't want to converse with a 4 year old with the world's photo libraries at its disposal. I spent 10 minutes trying to convince the model to add a watch to a person's left arm instead of the right arm and it would not do it, it apparently could not get the idea on this particular image. If I had a drawing tool I could circle where I wanted it and say 'THERE, stupid'. Next year when we have AGI all of this will be moot of course, but for now Photoshop isn't going away.

ragazzina 1y ago

"Can you make a version of this picture where I wear the best possible sunglasses for my face shape?" made me realize that AI image modification is now technically flawless, utterly devoid of taste, and that I myself am a rather unattractive fellow.

mortsnort 1y ago

At $0.02 per image, it's prohibitively expensive for many use-cases. For comparison, the cheapest Flux model (Schnell) is $0.003 per image.

arresin 1y ago
Schnell isn’t AR and doesn’t do editing.
- mortsnort 1y ago
  Fair but the Gemini "flash" branding implies it's their model for speed/scale in my mind.
zeknife 1y ago
How many images do you need? What are the use-cases that need a bunch of artificial yet photoreal images produced or altered without human supervision?
- skybrian 1y ago
  I think people still expect a lot of trial and error before getting a usable image. At 2 cents per pull of the slot machine lever, it would still take a while, though.
sergiotapia 1y ago
yes, too expensive for my use case. Service Cost per Image Cost per 1,000 Images Flux Schnell $0.003 $3.00 Gemini 1.5 Flash $0.039 $39.00

bawana 1y ago

Google is eating adobe

esamust 1y ago

Strange. I was excited to play around with the 2.5 flash image after testing the nano banana in LMarena, but the results are not at all the same? So I went back to LMarena to replicate my earlier tests but it's way worse than when it was nano banana? Did I miss something?

captainregex 1y ago

anyone else get excited about nano and then sad when you realized it’s not actually a small model

BoorishBears 1y ago

I'm really waiting for a Pro sized Gemini model with image output. I experimented heavily with 2.0 for a site I work on, but it never left preview and it had some gaps that were clearly due to being a small model (like lacking world knowledge, struggling with repetition, missing nuance in instructions, etc.) 2.5 Flash/nano-banana is a major step up but still has small model gaps peeking through. It still gets to "locked in" states where it's just repeating itself, which is a similar failure mode of small models for creative writing tasks. A 2.5 Pro would likely close those gaps and definitively beat gpt-image-1

mNovak 1y ago

These models still seem to struggle with getting repeated patterns right. Others have mentioned piano keys; I've noticed they also almost always fail to generate a valid Go board.

jngiam1 1y ago

Is this related to https://nanobanana.ai/ https://nanobanana.ai/ at all? It’s what comes up when I search for it

polynomial 1y ago
Asking the important questions.

oulipo2 1y ago

I tried it, it gave a poor quality image that wasn't even what I asked for. I then asked for a correction, and it gave me another faulty image. Doesn't seem to be there

darrinm 1y ago

Has anyone tested how generation speed compares to gpt-image-1?

cornedor 1y ago
It's consistently around 10 seconds, often faster.

torginus 1y ago

A bit mixed opinions - I tried colorizing manga pages with it, and the results were perfect. Interestingly, it can change pages with tons of text on them without any problem, but cannot seem to do translation, if I ask it to translate a French comic page, the text ends up garbled (even though it can perfectly read and translate the text by itself). I tried with another page, and it copypasted the same character (in different poses!) all over the panels. Absolutely uncanny! However when I asked to remake a Western comic book in a manga style (provided a very similar manga page to the comic one), it totally failed. Also about 50% of the time, it just tells me it'll generate the image but doesn't actually do it - not sure what's going on but a retry fixes it, but it's annoying.

anyg 1y ago
I had a similar experience. It did not change the text on a hat (ended up changing 1 of 3 words). On one occasion it regenerated the same image again, ignoring my instructions to edit. I get the feeling that this model is optimised for images with people in it than objects or drawings etc

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carlosbaraza 1y ago

Unfortunately, it suffers from the same safetyism than other many releases. Half of the prompts get rejected. How can you have character consistency if the model is forbidden from editing any human. And most of my photo editing involves humans, so basically this is just a useless product. I get that Google doesn't want to be responsible for deep fake advances, but that seems inevitable, so this is just slightly delaying progress. Eventually we will have to face it and allow for society to adapt. This trend of tools that point a finger at you and set guardrails is quite frustrating. We might need a new OSS movement to regain our freedom.

mudkipdev 1y ago
I was using Veo two days ago when video generations were free. I removed all words that sounded even remotely bad, but it still refused. Eventually gave up but now I'm thinking it's because I tried to generate myself
Workaccount2 1y ago
I have an old photo of my girlfriend with her cousin when they were young, wearing Christmas dresses in front of the tree, not long before they were separated to other sides of the world for decades now. The photo is itself low quality on top of the photo itself being physically beat up. So far no model is willing to clean it up :/
- boppo1 1y ago
  If you are not personally offended by looking at CRAZY pornography, you could start digging into the comfyui ecosystem. It's not all porn, there are lots of pro photo-manipulators doing sfw stuff, but the community overlap with NSFW is basically borderless, so you'll probably bump into it. However, the results the comfyui people get are lightyears ahead of any oneshot-prompt model. Either you can find someone to do cleanup for you (should be trivial, I wouldn't pay more than $10-15) or if you have good specs for inference you could learn to do it yourself.
- gaudystead 1y ago
  There are reddit communities (I admittedly don't remember which, but could probably be found from a simple search) where people will offer their photo editing skills to touch up the photo, often for free. Could be worth trying a real human if the robots are going full HAL 9000 and telling you they can't do it.

artursapek 1y ago

There are so many uses for this it boggles my mind. Ecommerce, real estate, advertising...

greatgib 1y ago

All images created or edited with Gemini 2.5 Flash Image will include an invisible SynthID digital watermark, so they can be identified as AI-generated or edited. Obviously I understand what is the purpose and the good intention, but I think sad to see that we are not not anymore responsible adults but big corps deciding for us what we can and what we cannot do. Snitching on your back.

cl0ckt0wer 1y ago
dont worry, you can just screenshot the image to get rid of the watermark
- fwip 1y ago
  That's not correct. The watermark is robust to screenshots, file format changes (saving as jpeg/png) and at least light transformation (cropping, saturation level adjustment, etc).
LZ_Khan 1y ago
I don't see the problem as it's not like you're forced to use their image generation model.
brokencode 1y ago
At what point in time were we ever responsible adults with technology? Deepfakes have the potential to totally destroy the average person’s already tenuous connection with reality outside of their immediate vicinity. Some will be fooled by an endless stream of fakes and others will never believe anything again. Politicians will dismiss footage of them doing or saying something bad as fake. And many times, they’ll be telling the truth. We are already living in a post-fact world to some extent, but buckle up, because it’s about to get a lot worse.
kiratp 1y ago
It's an arms race. https://removemysynthid.com/tools/images https://removemysynthid.com/tools/images
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minimaxir 1y ago

There is one thing Gemini 2.5 Flash Image can do that no other edit model can do: incorporate multiple images simultaneously without shenanigans due to its multimodality, e.g. for Flux Kontext, if you want to "put the person in the first image into the second image", you have to concatenate them pre-VAE which can be unwieldly, but this model doesn't have that issue. You can even incorporate more than two images, but that may cause too much chaos. In quick testing, prompt adherence does appear to be much better for massive prompt and the syntatic sugar does appear to be more effective. And there are other tricks not covered which I suspect may allow more control, but I'm still testing. Given that generations are at the same price as its competitors, this model will shake things up.

blinding-streak 1y ago
I very much enjoy this feature. My next door neighbor is on vacation, and I'm feeding his fish for him. I took a picture of the fish tank and asked Gemini to put the fish tank at various local tourist attractions in my city, as if we're going on day trips. I send him one photo a day and he's been loving it. Just a fun little thing to put a smile on his face (and mine).
- Auracle 1y ago
  Fun fact - I trained a lora on our almost-toddler at the time on SDXL and generated images of her doing dangerous things to send to my wife the first day she had a trip away from us. It was all fun and games until the little shit crawled out of our doggy door for the first and only time when I was going to the bathroom. As I was looking for her I got a notification we were in a tornado warning. Luckily the dog knew where she had gone and led me to her, having crawled down our (3 step) deck, across our yard, and was standing looking up at the angry clouds.
ojr 1y ago
it can't put two images of people together in one photo, this model still has the issue, also, I have seen cases where Flux Kontext works better in things like removing objects
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FergusArgyll 1y ago

Google really needed something viral, this may be it...

jjangkke 1y ago

im sure that lot of users are doing this right now and i wonder what the implication of this is, anybody with a photo of you (even just a face) can now generate photos of you in anyway they desire. its only a matter of time before this can be used to generate coherence with nudity on consumer hardware.

b0ner_t0ner 1y ago

Here's a non-SVG version of a pelican riding a bicycle: https://ibb.co/6RPfBDyM https://ibb.co/6RPfBDyM https://i.postimg.cc/dt7FsTWK/87-YE4j1-UC4x-Fp-Yo5t4wq-output.png https://i.postimg.cc/dt7FsTWK/87-YE4j1-UC4x-Fp-Yo5t4wq-outpu...

atleastoptimal 1y ago

I can imagine an automated blackmail bot that scrapes image, video, voice samples from anyone with the most meagre online presence, which then creates high resolution videos of that person doing the most horrid acts, then threatening to share those videos with that person's family, friends and business contacts unless they are paid $5000 in a cryptocurrency to an anonymous address. And further, I can imagine some person actually having such footage of themselves being threatened to be released, then using the former narrative as a cover story were it to be released. Is there anything preventing AI generated images, video, etc from being always detectible by software that can intuit if something is AI? what if random noise is added, would the "Is AI" signal persist just as much as the indication to human that the footage seems real?

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m3kw9 1y ago
If you are willing to pay once, you will be re-targeted. Just like Facebook ads
atonse 1y ago
I’m also wondering if the opposite will be true. That people might claim something is AI generated to discredit it?
goosejuice 1y ago
SynthID claims to be designed to persist through several methods of modification. I suspect such attacks you mention will happen, but by those with deep pockets. Like a nation-state actor with access to models that don't produce watermarks.
shibeprime 1y ago
I’m more bullish on cryptographic receipts than on AI detectors. Capture signing (C2PA) plus an identity bind could give verifiable origin. The hard parts, in my view, are adoption and platform plumbing. If we have a trust worthy way to verify proof-of-human made content than anything missing those creds would be red flags. https://iptc.org/news/googles-pixel-10-phone-supports-c2pa-using-iptc-digital-source-type/ https://iptc.org/news/googles-pixel-10-phone-supports-c2pa-u...

flux1krea 1y ago

The consistency of the characters is really astonishing.It can be used for free at https://www.nano-banana.com https://www.nano-banana.com

starchild3001 1y ago

This feels like a real inflection point for image editing models. What stood out to me isn’t just the raw generative quality, but the consistency across edits and the ability to blend multiple references without falling apart. That’s something people have been hacking around with pipelines (Midjourney → Photoshop → Inpainting tool), but seeing it consolidated in one model/API makes workflows dramatically simpler. That said, I think we’re still in the “GPT-3.5” phase of image editing: amazing compared to what came before, but still tripping over repeated patterns (keyboards, clocks, Go boards, hands) and sometimes refusing edits due to safety policies. The gap between hype demos and reproducible results is also very real; I’ve seen outputs veer from flawless to poor with just a tiny prompt tweak.

ahmeni 1y ago

Really like how they were so excited to release this that they managed to break existing SKUs and cause a bunch of GCP customers to get billed at 100x rates for text tokens as flash image generation tokens.

UltraSane 1y ago
Ouch. that is not going to be fun to clean up.

jari_mustonen 1y ago

Is it capable of generating white males? Given that this has been a serious problem with Google models, I would guess it would have been a good thing to at least add one such example in the marketing material. If the marketing material is to be believed, the model really prefers black females.

BoorishBears 1y ago
> Given that this has been a serious problem with Google models It hasn't been though, has it? At one point one of their earliest image gen models had a prompting problem: they tried to have the LLM doing prompt expansion avoid always generating white people, since they realized white people were significantly overrepresented in their training data compared to their proportion of the population. Unfortunately that prompt expansion would sometimes clash with cases where there was a specific race required for historical accuracy. AFAIK they fixed that ages ago and it stopped being an issue.

tpoacher 1y ago

They should have called it emacs-banana, just to piss more people off. And then call the next model vim-banana and start the editor-banana wars. In all seriousness though, I'm seeing a worrying trend where google is hijacking well-known project names from other domains more and more now, with the "accidental"(?) side-effect of diluting their searchability and discoverability online, to the point I can no longer believe it is mere coincidence (whether malicious or not is another story altogether of course, but even if not, this is still a worrying trend). I mean, what's next? Gopher 2.5 GIMP Video aka sublime-apple?

vector3 1y ago

Is this truly "native" to Gemini 2.5 Flash as they call it? Isn't this a dedicated and different text-to-image model hooked up to Gemini 2.5 Flash with function calling? or do they somehow merge the weights of the two models whilst also not incurring in side effects like degradation in performance?

orloffm 1y ago

So it doesn't allow to do anything with photos containing kids, right? Isn't it too much of a filter for such a thing? ChatGPT thankfully created Ghibli versions of everything I gave it.

dsrtslnd23 1y ago
yes - any children images seem to be banned. Can't create a children's book with reference image.

ljx2685222739 1y ago

Is this connected to https://imgfx.dev/ https://imgfx.dev/ ? That’s the site I see when I search for it.

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