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Apple brings OpenAI's GPT-5 to iOS and macOS
- andsoitis 1y ago> One of the largest deployments is iOS, the iPhone operating system, which allows users to make certain queries via GPT-4o. How / where do you make these queries?
- anon7000 1y agoSiri will fall back to ChatGPT if the question is outside of Siri’s domain.
- stetrain 1y agoIt's one of the few Apple Intelligence features announced last year that actually shipped in iOS 18. https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-chatgpt-with-apple-intelligence-iph00fd3c8c2/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-chatgpt-with-appl...
- w10-1 1y agoAlso Apple Intelligence requires a modern (2023+) device, e.g., iPhone 15 Pro+ or iPhone 16.
- Ancapistani 1y ago… which is honestly pretty crazy to me. My iPhone 13 Pro Max still feels “new” to me. The iPad Pro I’m typing this on is six years old, and is only just now starting to feel like the battery is aging.
- GeekyBear 1y agoIt's covered a little farther down in the article. It's optional, and the user's permission to send a request to ChatGPT is required every time. > In most cases, LLM-related features built into iOS and macOS use Apple's own models, which live under the Apple Intelligence branding umbrella. But it gives users the choice of referring a prompt to ChatGPT on a case-by-case basis when the prompt is outside the scope of what Apple's models are designed for.
- empath75 1y agoI just setup a short cut "Hey siri, let's chat" that opens chatgpt voice.
- 650REDHAIR 1y agoHas gpt5 gotten better with voice? I find when opening a new voice chat it talks entirely too much. Any tips or are you just far more patient than me?
- empath75 1y agoyou can interrupt it while it's talking.
- SpaceManNabs 1y agoI thought one of the draws for apple devices was privacy. Wonder how they account for that. In addition, i know a lot of apple device owners dislike AI integration. For example, my non tech friends turned off a lot of the apple intelligence stuff in the recent big iOS update.
- stetrain 1y agohttps://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/chatgpt-extension/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/chatgpt-extensio...
- apparent 1y agoI believe they let you interface with OpenAI anonymously if you don't have an account. Of course, your usage is much more limited if you don't have an account. So you can either use it a lot with no anonymity, or use it a little with anonymity, at least IME.
- GeekyBear 1y agoSending anything to ChatGPT requires explicit permission from the user, every time.
- jjtheblunt 1y ago"Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud" https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/ https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/
- weikju 1y agoWhich is different from the Chatgpt integration
- karmakaze 1y agoWith few new products in the pipeline, minor bumps to existing ones (liquid glass is a distraction not a feature), and lowering prices to expand market, at some point a for-profit company is going to reconsider the value of privacy and reframe that value in dollars.
- k310 1y agoMy guess is that it will "extend" existing apps unless you turn it off. Until you can't! Disclaimer: I am speculating here.
- AlexandrB 1y agoI'm less pessimistic because I remember how system level Twitter/Facebook integration turned out (it was removed).
- k310 1y agoTo all the downvoters,even though this reply is to you, yes, there was the twitter integration that went away, but also SIRI listening in at uninvited times, to learn. Apple may not be the worst offender, but they do from time to time, introduce things that have to be pulled back later. Will the "Use Apple AI" switch go away? We just don't know, and there are aspects of MacOS that I detest, like search always starting in "This Mac" instead of the working directory, that I have to change almost every time, and search beginning as soon as you type in a search term, (enter the beach ball) rather than waiting a few letters, while slowing down your typing. These may never go away. And there are lots of other examples on mac forums. What or who determines what goes away and what stays, begging a fix from some app vendor?
- guestbest 1y agoThe phone can already copy your voice based on only a few hundred words, right? The next step is to have it remotely apply, work, and attend meetings for me. The invisible touch of the market if you will
- varispeed 1y agoThe future where AI agent lives your life and you can just pitch a tent somewhere in wilderness and escape it all.
- dyauspitr 1y agoWhy would they give you an agent there’s no need for a middleman here. You’ll pitch your tent and live out in the wilderness for sheer survival.
- tptacek 1y agoYou mean invisible hand, unless you were making a joke about late-period Genesis songs.
- freedomben 1y agoThey seem to have an invisible touch, eh? They reach in, and grab right hold of your heart.
- JSR_FDED 1y agoIt seems a built-in ability.
- abtinf 1y agoI think the play on words is: invisible hand + (iPhone) touch screen = invisible touch.
- guestbest 1y agoYes, thanks
- mietek 1y agoCan we maybe have fewer bugs in the OS instead of more barely functional AI slop?
- amelius 1y agoYeah, why don't they use the AI to fix their OS? Oh wait ...
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- nialse 1y agoApple using GPT-5 explains quite a lot of the PhD vibe of the model. They have always been notoriously picky with what Siri does and especially what it doesn’t. I bet that Apple had a say in what and how GPT-5 was trained. Might also explain why it took so long. Extra guardrails for everything. And little emotion.
- podgietaru 1y ago…they already used other versions of ChatGPT. I doubt very much apple had any say over the personality of GPT-5. And if it did, it’d be in the prompt it sends over to ChatGPT - not in the training and reinforcement part.
- nialse 1y agoTime will tell, time will tell. Yes, Apple is using another model right now, but, they desperately need an AI win. Thus, they likely want a “latest and greatest model” and they have the leverage to influence what goes into the model. Due to Apple’s previous AI hiccups, performance, safety and guardrails are prioritized, thus a Siri flavored GPT-5.
- andrewstuart 1y agoIt’s a real concern that the best Apple can do is use OpenAI instead of its own technology.
- woah 1y agoMaybe, but being a foundation model provider means running neck to neck with small incremental improvements twice a year at astronomical expense. Maybe Apple has intentionally decided to sit it out and swoop in later once things have settled down. This strategy makes a lot of sense if you believe that progress will plateau at the current level with small incremental improvements in reliability and UX. Apple really only pays a price if failing to develop their own foundation model results in their phones not selling, which doesn't seem to be the case, regardless of how much of an embarrassment Siri is. Right now, Microsoft, OpenAI, Meta, Google, and Grok are all bludgeoning each other with trillions of dollars and creating a perfect situation for Apple to swoop in in a couple years when reliability is sorted out and GPU compute has crashed to rock-bottom prices.
- bmau5 1y agoThis makes a lot of sense
- lelanthran 1y agoWell, exactly. "Providing tokens" is the bottom layer of the value chain. If you can't build a moat around it, it's a race to the bottom because you can only compete on price. Apple doesn't compete on the bottom of the value chain.
- Terretta 1y ago“Shame the best they can do is use Corning instead of their own glass.” Neither of these seem like a shame so much as leveraging SOTA.
- WorldPeas 1y agoThe difference is that nobody chooses Apple explicitly for their glass. They choose them because they provide a bleeding edge experience without the effort one would need to maintain something like a Linux install, Google now beats them to the punch on several parts of this with their AI approach, especially on-device.
- bmau5 1y agoA bit surprised to see them go with OpenAI over Anthropic. OpenAI obviously has much broader consumer recognition and appeal, but I've been expecting a strategic partnership between Apple and a model co (Anthropic made most sense to me) with eventual acquisition - given they seem to be lagging so far behind the rest Magnificent Seven on the AI front
- layer8 1y agoApple has an existing deal with OpenAI for the Siri-to-ChatGPT fallback that allegedly costs them nothing. I wouldn’t be surprised if OpenAI wants them to switch to GPT-5 because of (for example) lower operational costs. The whole news here may be about nothing more than switching the existing functionality to the newer and more cost-efficient model.
- biophysboy 1y agoWhy is there so much pressure for Apple to compete in LLM AI? There's a lot of competitors. It would cost them a lot. Their business in design/manufacturing/branding is not as compatible w/ AI as social media or search. All of the AI-related consumer products so far have been mediocre and redundant given the smartphone. I don't understand why their best strategy isn't to just stand and watch, and then ruthlessly integrate the winner with their product line.
- Traubenfuchs 1y agoThem not doing this from the start to appease the public and shareholders with constant novelty was a massive failure.
- bitpush 1y agoIf companies like Apple and Google don't lead in AI, they risk becoming obsolete. Once customers see their phone as just a device for accessing a universal AI like ChatGPT, they'll no longer be locked into an iPhone or Android. They'll just buy whatever device offers the best access to that AI. This is the same reason Apple ensures that apps from its App Store work better than websites. They need to keep their own platform essential.
- ArtTimeInvestor 1y agoiOS, the iPhone operating system, which allows users to make certain queries via GPT-4o Any iOS users here who use any AI provided by Apple on their devices? I have not seen a glimpse of it yet (I think it asked me once to enable it and I denied?). And when I ask friends about it, they also do not use any AI provided by Apple. If anyone here is using it - how and what for? Do you like it?
- drewg123 1y agoI often say "hey Siri, ask ChatGpt <x>" when I'm hands free and want a better answer than siri throwing up some web pages and saying "i found this on the web for <x>". This tends to give far better answers than Siri
- madeofpalk 1y ago> they also do not use any AI provided by Apple. They might, but not actually know. Does iOS (poorly) summarising notifications on the screen count as using AI? I can't remember what the default setting is in iOS 16, but in the new iOS this year you get prompted for this during OOB setup.
- GeekyBear 1y agoOn device text recognition from still images or video. On device speech to text. On device language translation.
- Melatonic 1y agoI think I enabled it, downloaded whatever it needed, realized it took an extra X gigabytes of storage on my phone, and disabled it. And then realized I was not getting that space back :-D I have used the built in editor in their photos app a few times to remove an object from a photo (which works very well) which they label as "AI" but I swear existed before any of this.
- nozzlegear 1y agoI use the Siri ChatGPT integration pretty consistently on my Mac. I like the keybinds for it, and I also like that if Siri has the answer for my question it's usually instant; when it doesn't, it sends it off to ChatGPT for me. As for their other stuff, I use Apple's email inbox summary feature constantly, and I occasionally use the writing tools AI stuff just to proofread long text I've written to make sure there aren't any glaring mistakes I'm missing.
- tempodox 1y agoDoes OpenAI also demand biometric ID for that? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44837367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44837367
- hoherd 1y agoI feel like Apple embracing OpenAI is a betrayal of the trust that Apple has been building up over the last decade around ensuring that your data stays local, or on Apple servers where security is tight. I do not see Apple Intelligence listed on their "iCloud data security overview" page: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651 It would be hard to imagine your Messages history showing up in Google search results, but ChatGPT just went through that same scenario with their user chats. Also, it used to be common (though I'm not sure how much it has happened recently) to sign into ChatGPT and see other people's chat history in your session. IMHO ChatGPT has not earned any trust.