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I'm probably not going to hit the weekly limit, but it makes me nervous that the limit is weekly as opposed to every 36 hours or something. If I do hit the limi
by Wowfunhappy 1y ago
I'm probably not going to hit the weekly limit, but it makes me nervous that the limit is weekly as opposed to every 36 hours or something. If I do hit the limit, that's it for the entire week—a long time to be without a tool I've grown accustomed to!
I feel like someone is going to reply that I'm too reliant on Claude or something. Maybe that's true, but I'd feel the same about the prospect of loosing ripgrep for a week, or whatever. Loosing it for a couple of days is more palatable.
Also, I find it notable they said this will affect "less than 5% of users". I'm used to these types of announcements claiming they'll affect less than 1%. Anthropic is saying that one out of every 20 users will hit the new limit.
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- adastra22 1y agoWas it necessary to post this? FYI many input methods (including my own) turn two hyphens into an em dash. The em-dash-means-LLM thing is bogus.
- seb1204 1y agoMs word does this by default
- fredoliveira 1y agoYou can't possibly think that using an em dash is exclusive to AI-generated output.
- Wowfunhappy 1y agoOn a Mac, you can use option-shift-dash to insert an emdash, which is muscle memory for me. If I had used an LLM, maybe I wouldn't have misspelled "losing" not once but twice and not noticed until after the edit window. <_<
- tomhow 1y agoPlease don't do this here. If a comment seems unfit for HN, please flag it and email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can have a look.
- jonas21 1y agoYou can use an API key to get more usage on a pay-as-you-go basis.
- Wowfunhappy 1y agoYes, but that's so expensive I will never do it!
- tqwhite 1y agoWith one months exception, I've never gotten past $150 with API. I plan to do the $100 plan and use the API for overflow. I think I will come out ahead.
- Wowfunhappy 1y agoWell, lucky you! Before Claude Max was an option, I burned a lot of money using Claude Code, and that was while I was trying my best to use it as little as possible.
- blitzar 1y agoYou can set cash on fire if you want to.
- fullstackwife 1y agoyou spend 400$ per month on api usage, but your AI builds the next unicorn worth billions, where is the problem?
- el_benhameen 1y agoThis is how I feel about the 100 msg/wk limit on o3 for the ChatGPT plus plan. There’s no way to see how much I’ve used, and it’s an important enough resource that my lizard brain wants to hoard it. The result is that I way underutilize my plan and go for one of the o4-mini models instead. I would much prefer a lower daily limit, but maybe the underutilization is the point of the weekly limit. *edited to change “pro” to “plus”
- jstummbillig 1y agoIf it behaves anything like the GPT-4.5 Limit, it will let you know when you near the limit.
- yencabulator 1y agoClaude daily limit sure didn't.
- littlestymaar 1y ago> This is how I feel about the 100 msg/wk limit on o3 for the ChatGPT Do I read this correctly? Only 100 messages per week, on the pro plan worth a few hundred buck a month?!
- mhl47 1y agoNo it's 100 a week for plus users.
- el_benhameen 1y agoSorry, yes, plus, not pro.
- doorhammer 1y agoI think it’s just a mistype I have a pro plan and I hammer o3–I’d guess more than a hundred a day sometimes—and have never run into limits personally Wouldn’t shock me if something like that happened but haven’t seen evidence of it yet
- swalsh 1y agoI used about $300 worth of credits based on ccusage ($20 pro plan). It's pretty easy to hit the limit once you get going.
- blitzar 1y agoI use about $20 a day - 6 days a week, on the $20 plan.
- mrits 1y agoI imagine they will add some features soon where you have more control. It could get complicated quickly. Before they put this in I think they should have at least given you an easy way to buy more credits at a hugely discounted rate. I know entire offices in Bangladesh share some of these accounts, so I can see how it is a problem.
- _jab 1y ago> Anthropic is saying that one out of every 20 users will hit the new limit. Very good point, I find it unlikely that 1/20 users is account sharing or running 24/7 agentic workflows.
- Terretta 1y agoMoreover, if you run a SaaS, generally somewhere from 1 in 5 to 1 in 20 users are using you for real, while the others are mostly not using you. The stat would be more interesting if instead of 1 in 20 users, they said x in y of users with at least one commit per business day, or with at least one coding question per day, or whatever. I suspect this could be a significantly higher percentage of professional users they plan to throttle. Be careful of defining Pro like Apple does if you market to actual professionals who earn based on using your product. Your DAUs might be a different ratio than you expect.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 1y ago… if you run a SaaS, generally somewhere from 1 in 5 to 1 in 20 users are using you for real, while the others are mostly not using you. That is a hilarious and believable stat. Has anyone published such numbers or is it a dirty secret about how many corporate licenses are purchased and never used by the rank and file? I can personally think of a few internally licensed products, announced with huge fan fare, which never get used beyond the demo to a VP.
- xxpor 1y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle
- data-ottawa 1y agoAnecdotally that’s my observation as well.
- comebhack 1y ago
- arach 1y agoif it affects only a minority of accounts, why not figure out how to special case them without affecting everyone else is the primary question I would ask myself if I worked on this the principle: let's protect against outliers without rocking the behavior of the majority, not at this stage of PMF and market discovery i'd also project out just how much the compute would cost for the outlier cohort - are we talking $5M, $100M, $1B per year? And then what behaviors will simply be missed by putting these caps in now - is it worth missing out on success stories coming from elite and creative users? I'm sure this debate was held internally but still...
- nharada 1y agoWhat do you think they should have done instead?
- arach 1y agoIt’s tricky without seeing the actual data. 5% of a massive user base can still be a huge number so I get that it’s hard to be surgical. But those power users are often your most creative, most productive, and most likely to generate standout use cases or case studies. Unless they’re outright abusing the system, I’d lean toward designing for them, not against them. if the concern is genuine abuse, that feels like something you handle with escalation protocols: flag unusual usage, notify users, and apply adaptive caps if needed. Blanket restrictions risk penalizing your most valuable contributors before you’ve even discovered what they might build
- smileysteve 1y ago5% of a massive user base could also be huge if 50% of users are on an enterprise plan and barely using it.
- arach 1y agoin other words, these limits will help introduce Enterprise (premium) plans?
- draxil 1y agoOf course ripgrep runs on your machine and you control it.
- dewey 1y agoripgrep is an example for "tool I've grown accustomed to", where it runs is irrelevant.
- blitzar 1y ago> Anthropic is saying that one out of every 20 users will hit the new limit. I regularly hit the the Pro limits 3 times a day using sonnet. If I use claude code & claude its over in about 30 minutes. No multi 24/7 agent whatever, no multiple windows open (except using Claude to write a letter between claude code thoughts). I highly doubt I am a top 5%er - but wont be shocked if my week ends on a wednessday. I was just starting to use Claude chat more as it is in my subscription but if I can not rely on it to be available for multiple days its functionally useless - I wont even bother.
- ketzo 1y agoWhat does your Claude code usage look like if you’re getting limited in 30 minutes without running multiple instances? Massive codebase or something?
- blitzar 1y agoI set claude about writing docstrings on a handful of files - 4/5 files couple 100 lines each - couple of classes in each - it didnt need to scan codebase (much). Low danger task so I let it do as it pleased - 30 minutes and was maxed out. Could probably have reduced context with a /clear after every file but then I would have to participate.
- tlbsofware 1y agoYou can tell it to review and edit each file within a Task/subagent and can even say to run them in parallel and it will use a separate context for each file without having to clear them manually
- blitzar 1y agoEvery day is a school day - I feel like this is a quicker way to burn usage but it does manage context nicely.
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- douglaswlance 1y agopay for another account to double your limit.
- arghwhat 1y ago> but I'd feel the same about the prospect of loosing ripgrep for a week, or whatever. Loosing it for a couple of days is more palatable. Just to nitpick: When the limit is a week, going over it does not mean losing access for a week, but for the remaining time which would assuming the limits aren't overly aggressive mean losing access for at most a couple of days (which you say is more palatable). I wouldn't say you're too reliant, but it's still good to stay sharp by coding manually every once in a while.
- jcims 1y agoCursor sent me a note yesterday that at my current usage rate I was going to exceed whatever cap was in place at some date in the future. I thought that was very helpful.
- furyofantares 1y ago> I'm probably not going to hit the weekly limit, but it makes me nervous that the limit is weekly as opposed to every 36 hours or something. If I do hit the limit, that's it for the entire week—a long time to be without a tool I've grown accustomed to! Well, not the entire week, however much of it is left. You said you probably won't hit it -- if you do, it's very likely to be in the last 36 hours (20% of a week) then, right? And you can pay for API usage anyway if you want.
- forty 1y agoIt makes me sad that devs start relying on proprietary online services to be able to work. We have been lucky enough to have FOSS tools to do everything and not to have to rely on any specific service or company to work and some of us are deciding to become like Monsanto-addicted farmers who forgot how to do their jobs without something they have to pay every month.
- danielbln 1y agoThe very recent agentic open weights models seem to be shaping up, so if all fails you can host one of these yourself (if you have the vram) or host it yourself somewhere.
- sneak 1y agoWe can and did work without it. It just makes us many times faster. Nothing about using an LLM removes skills and abilities you already had before it.
- 3836293648 1y agoFor the industry as a whole it absolutely does. And for the individual it absolutely does kill your ability to do it unless you actually do practice. And yes, the goal might be to only use it for boilerplate or first draft. But that's today, people are lazy, just wait for the you of tomorrow
- epolanski 1y ago> And for the individual it absolutely does kill your ability to do it unless you actually do practice. Just because you state it, it doesn't make it true. I could tell you that taking buses or robotaxis doesn't change a bit your ability to drive.
- forty 1y agoDepends how often you do drive. I can guarantee you that not driving absolutely affected my ability to drive (I can still drive but certainly not nearly as well as if I drove daily)
- jey 1y agoGet two subscriptions if it's delivering that much value and you hit the limits?
- tqwhite 1y agoDon't you also have an API subscription to provide overflow capacity?
- tkiolp4 1y agoDon’t worry, just give them more money.
- TacticalCoder 1y ago[dead]
- j45 1y agoGetting in early on a plan may not have as much of an upside where the computational costs and guaranteed heavily can look different than other services. If it's affecting 5% of users, it might be people who are really pushing it and might not know (hopefully they get a specialized notice that they may see usage differences).
- ekianjo 1y agothe first rule of APIs is do not expect them to work 24/7. and you are never in control of any change that can occur. Thats why its really important to cultivate local LLMs.
- jonfw 1y agoGitHub copilot has a monthly rate limit for premium models- much worse! I ran into mine within hours of using Claude
- lerchmo 1y agoTime to start using Claude code proxy and other models. This black box rate limit is really lame.
- mattlangston 1y agoI have both a Claude subscription plan and console credits as my backup, which I thought was a reasonable solution.
- wahnfrieden 1y agoIt is becoming typical to counter this (and the multi-hour limits) simply by purchasing multiple Max tier subscriptions.
- stingraycharles 1y agoYeah, if this happens, I’m probably going to do the inevitable: get two accounts. If I could pay $500 a month for Claude 100x I would probably do it at this point. Given that I rarely hit the session limits I’m hopeful I won’t be affected, but the complete and utter lack of transparency is really frustrating.
- Aeolun 1y agoLike, I understand why they do it, usage patterns aren’t the same all over the world, and they paid for the GPU’s anyway, so they want to utilize them. People in parts of the world that see less CC utilization get to do more with their CC plan than people in very busy areas of the world.
- matt3210 1y ago>If I do hit the limit, that's it for the entire week Now your vibes can be at the beach.
- Dilettante_ 1y ago"The 4-hour vibe week"
- prolly97 1y ago> Loosing it for a couple of days is more palatable Sorry, I'll just be "that guy" for a moment. Assuming that access is cut at a random time during the week, the average number of days without Claude would be 3.5. That's not reasonable as it's dependant on usage. So assume that you've always been just shy of hitting the limit, and you increase usage by 50%, then you'd hit the limit 4.67 days in. Just 2-3 hours shy of the weekend - a sort of reward for the week's increased effort. Have a blessed Thuesday.
- Wowfunhappy 1y agoMy original post wasn't clear and that's my fault, but I am taking that into account. When I said "that's it for the week" I meant "the remainder of the week." It's just a mouthful to write "the remainder of the week" each time. And... well, I am worried that I could do something stupid or accidental on Monday and Tuesday and then loose access with more than half of the week left, especially since, as everyone else has noted, Claude doesn't show you how close to the limit you are until you've almost hit it. (That said, I also appreciate that it doesn't warn me too early, or I would be constantly watching the usage tick up well before I actually need to worry about it.) A couple of weeks ago, Claude got into some kind of weird loop where it just kept saying something like "now I need to add the code continuation" over and over and over again. I had auto-accept turned on, and it was chugging for several hours before I realized something was wrong and stopped it. Who knows how much usage that burned! Luckily, it happened late in the evening, so I knew my usage would reset the next day anyway. But IIRC it was also a Monday evening...
- thephyber 1y ago(1) I use Claude Code as a solo iOS developer and don’t hit the 5 hour limits much. I suspect the users hitting it more often are throwing way more tokens from much larger code repos and are probably asking for larger incremental changes. (2) I interpret this change as targeting people who are abusing the single Pro account, but using it more like a multi-developer business would maximizing the number of tokens (multiple sessions running 24/7 always hitting the limits). Anthropic has a business interest in pushing those users to use the API (paying per token) or upgrade to the $200/mo subscription. (3) While I fear they might regularly continue to push the top x% usage tier users into the higher subscription rate, I also realize this is the first adjustment for token rates of Claude Pro since Claude Code became available on that subscription. (4) If you don’t want to wait for the next unthrottling, you can always switch to the API usage and pay per token until you are unblocked.
- theshrike79 1y agoFrom what I gathered from their post, to hit the weekly limit you have to hit the daily limit MULTIPLE times during the week. I'm pretty sure they calibrated it so that only the people who max out every 5 hour window consistently get hit by the weekly quota.
- motbus3 1y agoi believe this is intended to combat abuse. that said, i do not like the idea. as many other services did, and even some tangible products are implementing, the introduced limit will later on be used to create more tiers and charge you more for the same without providing anything extra. #shrinkflation
- oblio 1y agoShrinkflation usually assumes that the product is profitable. Do we even know the Anthropic financials? My guess is that they're probably losing money on all their tiers.
- Teknomadix 1y agoSpeaking of ripgrep, adding `rg`, `fzf` and a few other tools to my Claude config seems to have been helpful in reducing token consumption and improving agents capabilities. I'm curious what other tools people are giving their agents instructions to use and what the experience is like?
- gaws 1y ago> If I do hit the limit, that's it for the entire week—a long time to be without a tool I've grown accustomed to! These limits will only get worse. Let this be a wake-up call for you to not put all your development eggs in the A.I. basket.