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IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites
- lucubratory 1y agoThis isn't ambiguous. This is really clear evidence of (at minimum) an atrocious and continuing war crime with full intentionality. Realistically, it is more likely explicitly genocidal in intent.
- mikevm 1y ago[flagged]
- SiempreViernes 1y agoAnd yet this harmelss "scare away" firing has been routinely killing tens of crowd members per day. Not to mention that Israel is openly using starvation as a weapon of war.
- closewith 1y ago[flagged]
- austin-cheney 1y agoBut that is still a war crime.
- tfrutuoso 1y agoRight, you can fire really awesome warning shots with mortars.
- andrepd 1y agoThe UN Special Rapporteur for the Palestinian Territories has concluded in a pretty comprehensive report that there is a genocide occurring in Gaza. https://reliefweb.int/attachments/f78b0a28-c3af-44ed-a010-9ba076814dc6/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf https://reliefweb.int/attachments/f78b0a28-c3af-44ed-a010-9b...
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- mikrotikker 1y agoThe same UN that supported Hamas in it's war on Israel and persecutions of gazans?
- throawayonthe 1y agohttps://archive.is/8RsGz https://archive.is/8RsGz
- kome 1y agoThe news from Palestine are atrocious; a genocide is unfolding before our eyes, and world leaders are doing nothing to stop it.
- derelicta 1y ago[flagged]
- chgs 1y agoLike with most genocides in history. The vast majority barely make the global news. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides
- mikevm 1y ago[flagged]
- thrance 1y agoA lot of world leaders are helping speed it up.
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- dist-epoch 1y agoThey are also firing SHELLS for warning. Direct article quote: > In one incident, the soldier was instructed to fire a shell toward a crowd gathered near the coastline. "Technically, it's supposed to be warning fire – either to push people back or stop them from advancing," he said. "But lately, firing shells has just become standard practice. Every time we fire, there are casualties and deaths, and when someone asks why a shell is necessary, there's never a good answer. Sometimes, merely asking the question annoys the commanders."
- cluckindan 1y agoNow try to spin tanks firing ”warning shots” at civilians.
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- Xelbair 1y agoYou know, we had separation between church/religion and state for a good reason.
- chgs 1y agoWho has it? Certainly not Israel. Or America. The U.K. does far better in practice, but not fully - nor does it claim to be.
- arp242 1y agoIt's "separation between church and state". As in: the institution of The Church. "separation between religion and state" doesn't really exist anywhere, and can't really exist, because it would basically be a thought-crime. For example Joe Biden is a Catholic and I'm some of his actions have almost certainly been inspired in part of fully by his Catholic beliefs. It couldn't be otherwise as being Catholic is part of Joe Biden.
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- austin-cheney 1y agoThe biggest problem with this isn’t the horror of the actual war crime. The far more serious concern are the lengths the government will go to avoid holding anyone accountable. That is so much worse because it unintentionally endorses future crimes and challenges the offenders to take ever more offensive actions without fear of consequences.
- lucubratory 1y agoI do not believe it is unintentional.
- austin-cheney 1y agoUntil corrective actions with criminal penalties occur incidents like these almost certainly continue with possible increases of frequency and severity. More importantly though when this becomes a matter of conduct and military discipline is that it will spread to other areas even outside Gaza. This isn’t just a matter of vague speculation as there are historical cases outside of Israel on which to see how things like this develop and what the consequences are both for the victims and the soldiers. These historical accounts also indicate soldiers committing these sorts of actions become victims themselves with catastrophic mental health disorders.
- throw9032093 1y agoThe idea Israeli government would hold anyone accountable is a laughable. Israel got in trouble with ICJ court, because of quotes from top government officials. Government of Israel was very specific what they will do to Gaza! This was even full scale bombing started! Trying to reinterpret this as a problem of "military discipline", and "soldiers are victim as well" is just another level of cynicism!
- edanm 1y ago> The idea Israeli government would hold anyone accountable is a laughable. It's happened, many times. Usually this doesn't make front-page news, but soldiers that break the law are sometimes held accountable. Not nearly enough, and I think it should be far more publicized as a deterrent effect (the fact that it isn't is a pretty big indictment of the current government). But it's certainly not laughable.
- tkel 1y agoWe already knew this was happening from testimony from Gazans, it was obvious that the new US-Israeli monopolized "aid" organization was running the Hunger Games, with dozens killed by Israelis (+ US contractors) every time there was a distribution day, and horrific pictures and video of it. Entirely predictable too when the genocidaires are controlling the aid. It is good there is now proof from the inside as well.
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- ignoramous 1y ago> ...the new US-Israeli monopolized "aid" organization was running the Hunger Games, with dozens killed by Israelis (+ US contractors) every time there was a distribution day ... the genocidaires are controlling the aid. It was apparently 2 VCs and not the military that came up with GHF (and if I recall, there even was a brief flare up between the ruling Cabinet and the Chief of Staff, Eyal Zamir, who did not want the IDF to be responsible for aid). Even though the early planning was led by the Israeli military, two Israeli technology investors played an influential role in shaping discussions as they progressed, according to six Israeli and American individuals familiar with the GHF’s origins. One was Liran Tancman, an entrepreneur and reservist in the IDF’s 8200 signals intelligence unit, who called for using biometric identification systems outside the distribution hubs to vet Palestinian civilians. Another was Michael Eisenberg, an American Israeli venture capitalist who argued that existing U.N. aid distribution networks were sustaining Hamas and needed to be overhauled. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/24/gaza-humanitarian-foundation-ghf-aid https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/24/gaza-humanit... / https://archive.vn/TugwR https://archive.vn/TugwR
- cma 1y ago> One was Liran Tancman, an entrepreneur and reservist in the IDF’s 8200 signals intelligence unit, who called for using biometric identification systems outside the distribution hubs to vet Palestinian civilians. Gives the feeling of the serial number tattoos the Germans used, with tech "fixing" the bad optics of doing that, but the biometric ID serves as one.
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- kelnos 1y agoStories like this often get flagged because they devolve into political/religious flamewars. I think many people might have a knee-jerk reaction to posts about the Israel/Gaza war and flag them, because support for Israel vs. support for Palestine can be quite polarizing and emotional. Not saying it's right or wrong, or that this sort of article is or isn't interesting to HN readers. But a reasonable reason for flagging an article is a belief that the topic at hand doesn't lend itself to thoughtful, interesting discussion.
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- huhkerrf 1y ago> by the same people who claim they had a genocide commited against them C'mon, you can't just go around implying that the Jews only "claimed" to have a genocide against them.
- chaosbolt 1y agoPeople are constantly implying the Russians invaded Ukraine for no reason, or that Iran is the aggressor in the recent war, or that a genocide isn't actially happening. And this shit is happening now.
- chrismorgan 1y agoIt’s pretty thoroughly off-topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
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- spacecadet 1y agoIf we look at history, do the oppressed always become oppressors?
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- dang 1y agoNo racial flamewar on HN, please. I realize this topic is fraught with it but that's no reason to jump straight in—it's a reason to do the opposite: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: yikes—quite apart from the current topic, you've been breaking the site guidelines a lot with flamewar posts and personal attacks. We ban accounts that post like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43604429 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43604429 (April 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43604394 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43604394 (April 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43596070 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43596070 (April 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43596065 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43596065 (April 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43593235 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43593235 (April 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43593219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43593219 (April 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43322414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43322414 (March 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43251495 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43251495 (March 2025) I'm not going to ban you right now because you've also posted good things, but if you want to keep participating in this community, it would be good to review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules from now on. Edit: I did end up banning you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44403629 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44403629. We simply can't have people posting like that to HN.
- Dettorer 1y agoIs this a new karma system where for each post that doesn't break the guidelines, you're allowed one that does?
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- ahartmetz 1y agoWhy though, what does it achieve? Do they want to make sure that there will be terrorists / freedom fighters in the future so that they have a reason not to negotiate? Because they expect to "win" if violence continues?
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- Attrecomet 1y agoIf that is true, Israel would now actually, literally be persuing the exact same politics Nazi Germany did until they escalated their attempted genocide by making it intolerable to genocide by industrial scale murder. Not a good look for Israel, at all.
- samrus 1y agoIsrael cares less about looks and more about american support, ehich this administration has cut them a blank cheque for
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- dang 1y agoPlease don't take HN threads into hard-core ideological and/or nationalistic flamewar. I realize this topic tends strongly in that direction, but that's not a reason to go there, it's a reason not to go there. "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Other commenters are doing it too, but it's a matter of degree, and the rhetoric in your post here is a degree worse. You can make your substantive points without resorting to "cult", "stamped out", "criminal ideology" and so on. Fortunately it doesn't look like your account has a habit of doing this, so it should be easy to fix.
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- Gareth321 1y agoThere has been so much disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda from so many nations and interested parties that I find it impossible to believe any claims anymore without seeing a video for myself. In this case, there are none. Even according to the article, the soldiers were ordered to fire on looters, which seems reasonable in the context of this war.
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- hattimaTim 1y agoI doubt you will believe even if you see a video. You will probably think it is fake.
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- alkhatib 1y agoUS/UK, Iran? Notice how israel (the country currently committing the genocide) is not even mentioned in your reply.
- amriksohata 1y agoJumping straight to the G word doesn't make it true.
- lordofgibbons 1y agoThis genocide has, for many people, burst any illusions of a "rules based world order". There multiple EU signatory countries of the Rome Statute (pledging to cooperate with ICC) that have welcomed these war criminals... who have warrants out by the ICC. And the same war criminals are invited to give a speech at the U.S Congress to near unanimous applause. It really makes you wonder if we're the "good guys". -- edit -- If you're curious how much your congressperson receives from AIPAC (Israeli lobby) this website is a great resource: https://www.trackaipac.com/congress https://www.trackaipac.com/congress
- o999 1y agoIndeed, the leading countries of so-called "free world" are willing to commit and support war crimes and break the intl law as well as DPRK or Iran when it serves their intrests, all while signaling virtue and progressiveness.
- stavros 1y agoIf you're still wondering if you're the good guys, you haven't been paying attention. I don't think there are any "good guys" when it comes to nations, but for the US it's not even close.
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- dang 1y agoPlease don't attack other users, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Your comment would be fine without that bit.
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- lukan 1y agoIt lasted only a few minutes initially before being flagged, but now it seems officially allowed and not just vouched for. I am glad it is visible. And hope for some more civic debate about the topic.
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- basisword 1y agoI really don't think that it's a coincidence that just as this news was starting to gain traction a few weeks ago, Isreal started bombing Iran. It was the perfect distraction.
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- dilawar 1y agoThe strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must. -- Thucydidus
- palmfacehn 1y agoIt is descriptive, but not prescriptive. If neither side can agree on peace, if neither side has objectives which the other will accept, if neither side is willing to compromise; What other outcome is possible in terms of realpolitik? It is upsetting to observe. We all want better for humanity.
- bombcar 1y agoThere have been cases in the past where an external strong power has been able to suppress both sides but it has to be done for generations until the reasons are lost to time.
- palmfacehn 1y agoDepending on who you ask, there have been a variety of external powers stirring the pot. Most people are horrified by the violence. Beyond the territorial, religious and cultural disputes there are opposing geopolitical factions. Of course it is understandable to be outraged by the violence and atrocities. The human suffering is real, but arguments focusing on these points can miss the larger picture. The underlying incentives dictate outcomes. Atrocities are often marketed as rationalizations for further violence. We want to prescribe an outcome without atrocities. Yet discussions fall into recrimination before they can describe the conflict coherently.
- jcranmer 1y agoSpoken by the Athenians and resulting in a war that, as Thucydides's audience knew quite well, Athens lost big-time. Which actually holds up quite well for everybody who loves to bring up that quote: realism aka "we shouldn't face the consequences of our actions" is the obvious rallying cry for people facing the consequences of their actions.
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- dwb 1y agoCannot believe there are still people doing the “both sides” thing. Nothing remotely justifies the Israeli government’s actions.
- niemandhier 1y agoThis comment thread is the most civilised online discussion I have seen in a long while about this particular topic, despite people coming from diverse backgrounds and disagreeing. In this sense, hackernews gives me hope that online culture is not lost yet.
- OhioMan2943 1y agoIt's because realistically hn is an oasis of educated people that has been overlooked by astroturfers and foreign interests (very strongly including the government in this piece), and hasn't expanded its core demographic for profit. This is what the rest of the internet would be like without manipulation. Imagine how much better things would be
- lukan 1y agoIf HN is so educated and civic, we would be able to have more of that sort of debate and not just once in a while. Also note that dang is already pretty active here banning people. It is a topic where deep emotions come up and where fanatism is widespread. Also among educated people. Also not sure if you have not noticed before, but HN is part of a profit orientated venture capitalist company. Still, I also do enjoy this Oasis here. But I don't see how it can scale in any way you seem to imagine.
- OhioMan2943 1y agoI think people understand there's a time and a place for important political discussion on an otherwise tech community, especially because the quality and insight tends to be better than other places. I don't have any delusions about ycombinator seeing some of the things it has supported recently, but in this laughably dumbed down world you take what you can get. As for new communities I believe in being selective and restrictive- based on location, education, or interest and think it's the only way we can get smart communities again. Think how the tech barrier and slow adoption in the 90s/2000s resulted in a smart bubble online, and how covid was the death knell for distinct non homogenous smart online spaces because it brought everyone further online. It's discriminatory but look what we've become.
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- ahmetcadirci25 1y agoA street in Gaza, a map of dreams, and the people desperate to live https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/jun/26/a-street-in-gaza-a-map-of-dreams-and-the-people-desperate-to-live https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/jun/26... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44387199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44387199
- lemoncookiechip 1y agoThe comment section in the article is revolting. I don't know if they're state actors, or if they're real people with those beliefs, but my god.
- ben_w 1y ago> I don't know if they're state actors, or if they're real people with those beliefs Both. And also trolls, and these days GenAI. Some say "Never again means now", with the flag of Israel, and no sense of irony or hypocrisy. I wonder if any say the same words with the flag of Palestine? Hamas is still also genocidal, with their leaders giving similar comments about all Jews as the current Israel coalition members give about Palestinians. When elephants fight, it’s the grass that suffers. The IDF and Hamas are the elephants, and there are many innocent civilians (metaphorically grass) suffering because of it. The supremely dominant power of the IDF means the suffering grass is overwhelmingly on one side of a border that Israel doesn't recognise, but there are innocents everywhere. I don't have any answers. I have learned to recognise this kind of mindset, but I cannot find words to act as levers to change those minds.
- cropcirclbureau 1y agoYour comment is full of attempts to justify, excuse and underplay what the IDF are doing and many Israelis believe in. From Hamas to GenAI to trolls. Whatever the historical record that brought us here, the fact is, Israel's standing army (not some personal goons of some dictator, the standing army of a moden democratic nation), appear to be practically all in on executing a systemic genocide. And I don't think there's anyway you can justify or underplay that. Maybe the answer you're looking for is that good people anywhere shouldn't let anyone sell them a holocaust no matter the deal.
- navane 1y agoFwiw, I don't read any excuse or justification in parents post. The fact is that the IDF are (right now) more effective than Hamas in exterminating the other party.
- volleyball 1y agoI guess the Israeli government's original plan to arm and support drug gangs and literally ISIS (euphemistically called 'clans') as "aid security" wasn't working out? Especially after it was revealed said "security" was stealing and reselling the food aid under the protection of IDF while the Israeli govt. and media blamed the looting on Hamas. And after the Israeli opposition leader exposed the whole charade and Netanyahu defended it saying “On the advice of security officials, we activated clans in Gaza that oppose Hamas. What’s wrong with that? It only saves the lives of Israeli solders, and publicising this only benefits Hamas.” [1] - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/06/netanyahu-defends-arming-palestinian-clans-accused-of-ties-with-jihadist-groups https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/06/netanyahu-defe... [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Abu_Shabab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Abu_Shabab [3] - https://archive.is/20250606144357/https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byicfeyxge https://archive.is/20250606144357/https://www.ynetnews.com/a...
- lukan 1y agoTo be honest, I do prefer drug dealers over Hamas islamists in general. And where exactly is the proof the gangs are connected to ISIS? "The basis for Lieberman’s allegation of ties to IS was unclear." It is easy to throw dirt and hope something sticks, but the main thing speaking against his group seems Netanjahu's support in my opinion. But otherwise I don't see the scandal so much here. Especially not compared to the scandal of intentionally targeting civilian population and indiscriminate killing of starving people like the article states. Edit: But I just read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerem_Shalom_aid_convoy_looting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerem_Shalom_aid_convoy_loot... And well, that is indeed better to show who we are dealing with, ruthless criminals who loot and shoot a UN aid convoy for profit.
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- lukan 1y agoNo, because drug dealers by definition mainly sell drugs to people who want them. A subset of them indeed engages with dark methods like mixing highly addictive drugs into harmless ones and turf war, but the majority just sells things. Before weed was legal in germany I engaged with quite some of them and they were mostly decent people all in all. Not the greatest and often messed up themself a bit, but otherwise no danger to me or anyone else. My choice if I damaged myself with their products. A islamist on the other hand is buisy by definition with spreading the rule of Islam over everyone, everywhere. Dangerous to any non muslim.
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- earnestinger 1y agoAre you really of this opinion or are you trying to incite replies? :)
- locallost 1y agoThe guidelines of HN, to be kind and curious in the comments, are difficult to follow in this case. Outrage doesn't bring anything either, but a polite and curious discussion is impossible. The lack of reflection in the western world on this issue is seriously disturbing.
- dang 1y agoI hear you and I agree that there are topics which conventional politeness cannot respond to adequately, and that this is one of those topics. If you take those words "kind" and "curious" in a large sense—larger than usual—I think there's enough room there to talk about even this topic without breaking the guidelines. How to do this? That is something we have to work out together. You're right that it's difficult. From a moderation point of view, I can tell you that just avoiding garden-variety flamewar and internet tropes already gets us a lot of the way there. You'd be surprised at how many users who think they're taking a grand moral stand against conventional politeness are simply repeating those. Conventional impoliteness isn't any answer either.
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- dang 1y agoI don't agree that it's off topic, nor that HN would be better if we suppressed it and acted like this isn't happening. We're trying for a global optimum*, and the most important part of that is not to settle for local optima, such as not discussing difficult things. I've posted about this quite a bit, since it inevitably comes up every time this topic appears on HN's front page. Here's another part of the current thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44403458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44403458. * https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
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- conartist6 1y agoThis is a description of blackest evil. Anyone who knows they are raising an assault rifle to a crowd of civilians and pulls the trigger is a mass murderer and a psychopath
- ivanstame 1y agoPoor people :(
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- aaomidi 1y agoPretty sure the various polling in Israel has shown that the majority of the population do not think there are innocent civilians in Gaza. IMO Netanyahu changing won’t make this go away.
- amanaplanacanal 1y agoNetanyahu is bad, for sure, but are you forgetting the half a million dead after the invasion and regime change in Iraq? Bush and Cheney are living in happy retirement. Rumsfeld has passed, may his soul rot in hell.
- alluro2 1y agoI visited Israel for a sports seminar some ~10 years ago and met many nice people. I felt sympathetic to their reality of living in an ever-hostile environment from all sides, and struggle to keep their place in the world safe. I admired their resilience and strength. When this Gaza conflict started, I saw how the Israeli protested against their government and demanded peace, so I thought there is a semblance of an excuse for glimpses of abhorrence being reported - "it's a small number of people in power, not the Israeli nation doing it, and also there are always 2 sides to the story". Since then, there have been unfathomable horrors and crimes against humanity done from the Israel side, with extreme intensity and one-sidedness, and it's now been going for so long. I can find no excuse of any kind anymore, for what has been and is being done in Gaza. I don't think any normal person could. The weight of these things, in my mind at least, is such that if the Israeli people really wanted anything different, it was their human duty and utmost responsibility to stop this by now, in whatever way needed. They didn't... It's sad that people who have suffered so much as well, let themselves become the villains to this depth and extent.
- xg15 1y agoI'm German and I really see a lot of the blame for this on our states as well - the US and the EU states (especially Germany, sadly). As horrible as the Israeli mindset is, their subjective viewpoint is at least somewhat relatable: An ordinary Israeli citizen is born in that land, knows nothing else, just learns that the entirety of the surrounding populations want them dead - and will with very high likelihood experience terror attacks themselves. That this upbringing doesn't exactly make you want to engage with the other side is psychologically understandable. (I'm imaging this as the universal experience of all Jewish Israelis, religious or secular, left or right. I'm excluding the religious and Zionist-ideological angles here, because those are a whole different matter once again) What I absolutely cannot understand is the behavior of our states. We're pretending to be neutral mediators who want nothing more than to end the conflict, yet in reality, we're doing everything to keep the conflict going. We're fully subscribed to Zionist narrative of an exclusive Israeli right to the land (the justifications ranging from ostensibly antifascist to openly religious) and we're even throwing our own values about universal human rights and national sovereignty under the bus to follow the narrative. If the messianic and dehumanizing tendencies of Israelis are answered by nothing else than full support and encouragement of their allies, I don't find it exactly surprising that they will grow.
- xg15 1y ago> He also said the activity in his area of service is referred to as Operation Salted Fish – the name of the Israeli version of the children's game "Red light, green light". The Israeli tradition of giving their Gaza operations names of children's games also continues, after "Operation Cast Lead". (Not sure if they wanted to make a reference to Squid Games as well...)
- alkhatib 1y agoGreen light : They send out notifications to people telling them aid is available at a certain location. Red light: 10 minutes later they send out another notification saying no aid is being distributed there today and start shooting anyone in the area
- FireBeyond 1y agoJust like several months ago, “we advise Gazans to move to southern Gaza as operations intensify in the north”. Within days: “Israeli bombing of southern Gaza intensifies 80%”.
- razemio 1y agoI have to say, these warnings are byond any logic I can comprehend. It it not like Hamas does not get these warnings. Obviously they moved aswell. Then again, was this intended by Israel? So in the end nobody can trust these warnings. They are pointless.
- vkou 1y agoThe target for the warnings isn't Palestinians, it's a figleaf for international media.
- mikrotikker 1y agoYes I dunno what the term is but it's common to telegraph ops like this. US did the same in Yemen and they see a) civvies moving away from munitions storage areas b) terrorists trying to move munitions to safety. It can inform of new targets
- sdeframond 1y agoAs a westerner, I feel ashamed that my country is Isreal's ally. It makes me guilty by association because the western world is letting Israel commit thoses atrocities. Worse, we are helping them when they need it, and closing our eyes when they don't want us to watch.
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- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y agoAbsence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Is there a reason to disbelieve the soldiers’ testimony?
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- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago> Haaretz has become a radical-Islam mouthpiece and will most likely be banned soon Okay but this is just another claim that seems to require evidence. Why should I believe this?
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- hedora 1y agoHere's a story from NPR that makes much stronger claims agaist Israel (and cites sources) than the Haaretz story: https://www.npr.org/2025/06/28/nx-s1-5449587/israel-gaza-haaretz-report https://www.npr.org/2025/06/28/nx-s1-5449587/israel-gaza-haa...
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- palmfacehn 1y agoIf we accept this and the claim that Hamas deliberately seeks to maximize civilian casualties, then consider the hypothetical: What would stop them from deliberately drawing fire under this scenario? Aside from meeting the Israeli demands, what other options remain for Hamas?
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- palmfacehn 1y ago>...fought primarily by trying to erode international support for Israel Agreed. >Are you suggesting that it is right... Thank you for the opportunity to further clarify my comment. If this is happening I believe that it is deeply immoral. My comment posed a hypothetical about the incentives which may be driving these events. As you observed above, it does fit with existing knowledge of Hamas strategy. Examples would include pop-up rocket attacks near schools or hospitals. Here is a source which some have alleged to be sympathetic to Hamas. I have selected this source not because I prefer it, but to avoid allegations of bias. https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns... >UNRWA condemns placement of rockets, for a second time, in one of its schools >UNRWA strongly and unequivocally condemns the group or groups responsible for this flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law
- MSFT_Edging 1y agoThere have been many many aid trucks refused entry. The famine has been manufactured by Israel. "normal procedure" might have some weight if there weren't 100s of trucks refused entry.
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- hermitcrab 1y agoIs anyone surprised at horrific behaviour by Israel and the IDF at this point? Every country has a percentage of right wing psychopaths. Unfortunately, they seem to be running the government in Israel. Israel's intended end game seem to be to make Gaza completely uninhabitable, so that the Palestinians are forced to leave, then Israel can grab the land. A bit like they are doing in the West Bank, but on turbo mode. However, the Palestinians don't want to leave their land (why should they?) and no other state wants to take them. So we are left with enormous human misery, with no end in sight. Most baffling of all, many Western states are not just turning a blind eye, but actively supporting Israel. Shame on them.
- egisspegis 1y ago> Israel's intended end game seem to be to make Gaza completely uninhabitable, so that the Palestinians are forced to leave In a context where hamas declared (multiple times) that they will repeat October 7 forever, how is this a bad outcome for Israel? Why it doesn't make sense to you that Western states are supporting Israel? It would be baffling (for me at least) if any state in the world would deal with terrorists by capitulating to them.
- hermitcrab 1y ago>Why it doesn't make sense to you that Western states are supporting Israel? Because they are supporting the destruction and displacement of an entire people. Only a tiny percentage of whom were involved in the Hamas atrocity. I don't want my country supplying bombs that are going to be dropped on Palestinian hospitals, universities and residential areas.
- egisspegis 1y ago> Only a tiny percentage of whom were involved in the Hamas atrocity It's not a tiny percentage. It's the majority. That's how autocracies stay in power.
- the__alchemist 1y agoSome context first so my opinion isn't misconstrued as as leftist stereotype. This is within context of the behavior described in the article. - I'm a Jew in USA, and served in the military for more than a decade. - I used to get annoyed by the Palestinian protests I'd see in the years before this, and generally sided with Israel, and the operations its military performed in counter-Shia-militia operations etc in the region, and was outraged at the Oct 7 attacks. Israel's operations as described in the article are clear-cut war crimes. The military and civilian leaders responsible for these ROE should face something similar to the Nuremberg trials. I am embarrassed for my country's support of Israel's operations. This is large-scale, continued, intentional CIVCAS.
- cropcirclbureau 1y agoHamas are not Shia, they're Sunni. And Shia is not some some inherently violent ideology as your usage of the word there implies. And, while I'm at it, you should know the human crimes in the Gaza strip long predate Oct 7. Chemical weapons, starvation, terror bombing, these are tactics that the IDF's deployed in short time I've been alive (21st century).
- the__alchemist 1y agoTracking on the Shia; sorry about the confusion! Referring to Iran-backed ops in Syria etc.
- Cyph0n 1y agoThe commenter is probably referring to Hezbollah and Iran. And yes, the IDF has been relying on abhorrent & violently escalatory tactics since at least 1982 (Lebanon invasion). On that note, I recently picked up an excellent book (“Our American Israel”) that dives pretty deep into the US-Israel relationship, and spends a good chunk of time on how the invasion of Lebanon was received by the West. There are definitely some parallels between 1982 and the ongoing Gaza genocide with regards to the use of violence. But the most salient point to me is that it is quite clear that Israel learned a ton on how to ensure its image in the West does not easily get tarnished going forward.
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- elnatro 1y agoNow they are being colonized by Morocco. They protested against Spanish domination and now they’ve been deported and oppressed by an autocratic regime.
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- elnatro 1y agoIs this generated by an AI, a Markov chain or schizophrenia?
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- elnatro 1y agoHow is that related to the historical context I gave?
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- 7sigma 1y agoYou mean the barbarity of the zionist militias and IDF who have been ethnically cleansing and murdering Palestinians since 1948? This is no different thank French people in Algeria who committed a genocide during all the way up to the liberation. Its the same standard that should be upheld with South Africa and the Nazi regime
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- 7sigma 1y agoI said ethnic cleansing, not genocide. Although genocide is what has been happening for the past 2 years in Gaza as described by even Holocaust scholars. Your argument is a typical claim of racists and zionist colonialists.
- wtcactus 1y ago1st: you claimed Israel was carrying out ethnic cleansing since 1948. You are now trying to mix words, but when you do ethnic cleaning, you carry out genocide. You were caught in your dog whistle and then tried to get out of it with semantics. 2nd: “Zionist colonialists” is what you call the people that want to have their home in the tiny piece of desert where they where expelled from. By contrast you don’t seem to have any qualms about the Arab colonialists that took all the Middle East and north of Africa. In fact, you support they should even get to keep the tiny piece of desert that belongs to the Jew people. Your problem clearly has to lie in the ethnicity of the people doing the so called colonialism (you even go as far as calling colonialism to people taking hold of their homeland).
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- bigyabai 1y ago> these are clearly illegal orders and MUST be refused by any IDF soldier who listened during training. They must train them differently these days. Multiple IDF soldiers have reported being asked to fire on their own comrades circumstantially: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive I suppose that's the sort of trouble you should expect staffing an army with hardline theocratic officers and conscripted civilian infantry.
- jxjnskkzxxhx 1y agoIsrael is an excellent example of what happens if a fundamentalist theocracy becomes too powerful compared to its neighbors.
- ethbr1 1y agoIronically, Israel's government would be less theocratic-conservative if it weren't so hard to form governing coalitions in the Knesset. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_twenty-fifth_Knesset#Composition https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_twent... After moderate partners abandoned Netanyahu, his only source of support was more right-wing partners, which steadily pushed government policy to the ultra-right.
- jxjnskkzxxhx 1y agoIt's not ironic at all, it's democracy working as intended. It might superficially appear ironic because us in the west confuse being a democracy with being moderate. But that's not the case if a large fraction of your population are religious fundamentalists, which goes to my point. In Israel, the problem isn't just the government, it's also the culture of the majority of the population.
- ethbr1 1y agoConsidering ~50% of the Knesset is in opposition, I don't think it's proof that a politically large fraction of Israeli society is religiously fundamentalist. It's non-negligible, but the reasons ultra-right parties like Otzma Yehudit [0] have a voice in politics has more to do with election calculus by Netanyahu. The ideal 2+ party parliamentary system seems to be >2 but <6. Below that, you get bad outcomes (US). Above that, you get bad outcomes (Israel, India). Somewhere in the middle, it forces the right amount of coerced cooperation... most of the time (Germany). [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otzma_Yehudit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otzma_Yehudit
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- stevenwoo 1y agoHave you seen the Israeli hostage families protest in Israel? They get heckled and threatened by the hardliners in the general public and government who want the war continue to and those hardliners essentially want the hostages as an excuse for war. The democracy in Israel has elected a government that wants to continue to acquire land in Gaza and the West Bank in preference over negotiating for return of the hostages. There are multiple video and text reporting on this issue. https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-847290 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-847290 There are also hardline hostage families that want to continue the war over negotiating. https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-hamas-hostages-ceasefire-deal-prisoners-e886ead73905a1b88429d67705d03c47 https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-hamas-hostages-ceasef... It's complicated and not as simple as your black and white assessment - that people are for either returning the hostages or not returning the hostages and those same opinions are in sync with ending the war/continuing the war with the same priority. Hamas having hostages serves both Hamas and the hard right wing's long term goals in Israel, and the hard right wing in Israel holds all the power in Israel and Hamas holds the power in Gaza.
- closewith 1y agoI think most people consider Oct 7th and the hostages to be a grave criminal act. It doesn't justify genocide, though, which seems to be what you're implying.
- xg15 1y agoThe civilians that are also being starved? Israel's official policy is that "Hamas must not get aid". If that were successful, there'd be no food for the hostages either.
- Sporktacular 1y agoIrrelevant. Israel is obliged to not prevent civilians from receiving food, water and medicine. If it can't do so without 'aiding' Hamas, that's Israel's problem.
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- avip 1y agoThe Hebrew version had also distanced itself from what would be considered Journalism. But with no real field reporting from Gaza, that's the info you can get, and you have to guesstimate the reality from there.
- Natfan 1y agoand there would be field reporting if the IDF didn't go around executing any journalist they find (including child "journalists" merely posting on social media)
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- zoover2020 1y agoExactly. Clear astroturfing to hide war crimes is not going unnoticed anymore.
- ryuhhnn 1y ago“Fire at unarmed crowds” and “fire towards crowds” is the same thing, what sort of semantic ping pong is this? Also propaganda =/= bad. All media is propaganda, in some languages the word “propaganda” has the same semantic meaning as the English word “advertisement”. This comment is war crime apologia.
- wuschel 1y agoHow credible is the reporting in in Haaretz? I am normally fairly well accustomed to the reliability and credibility of newspapers, but I have never read this newspaper.
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- wuschel 1y agoThanks for the info. The tone of the publication sounded like that.
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- woooooo 1y agoHistorically it's the pre-eminent center-left paper in Israel, with the Jerusalem Post being the center-right flagship.
- amit_m 1y agoIt is a credible source with a left-wing focus.
- krembo 1y agoSo nice that pro-Israeli comments get flagged and moderators do nothing about that. Talking about bias and censorship, I guess some contradictory thoughts are not very welcomed for some who think about themselves as standing in the frontlines of democracy. Also disappointed about @dang, there seems very little objective admin work done here.
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- VerminOctopus1 1y agoThis is just war crime denying spam. Words do not matter in the light of what the IDF actually did.
- arp242 1y agoSo there's a substantial difference between "firing towards masses" (comprised of Palestinians) and "firing at Palestinians"? Laughable spin. I think that's also what they said on Bloody Sunday: not firing "at Catholic protestors", but firing "towards the masses".
- CommanderData 1y agoClever piece of engineering that needs to be studied. The US and Israel setup a company/foundation to "distribute" aid. I guess to escape the accusations that they are systematically starving Gaza's population. It seems to be working, they can hide behind this while inflicting even more crimes against Palestinians. I was going to ask if people really fall for this, but it seems like they do.
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- actionfromafar 1y agoThe responsible are all ministers in the administration.
- Sporktacular 1y agoBefore levelling claims of bias and racism, consider that the reporting is by a Jewish run, Israeli newspaper and that the sources are IDF officers and soldiers. To jump to a claim of anti-semitism suggestions you really need to examine your own biases. Atrocities against unarmed civilians are not excused by 'but they started it', who did? The old woman, the 10 year old boy? Justifying collective punishment like this takes a huge degree of racism and heartlessness. "once started (wars) are sometimes impossible to stop". How convenient then that land (belonging to people who also have nothing to do with 'the first punch') continues to be stolen as long as the war drags out.
- froohmb 1y agoWar crimes should be taken very seriously, not dealt with in the court of public opinion. Just look at how “ready to convict” people are in this thread, without any evidence whatsoever, just on hearsay —though yes, Haaretz is very reputable. “Blood libel” may be too strong a term, but similar idea: the jews are conspiring to do evil to non-Jews and keep it secret by control of the media or by leveraging the “zog” or maybe shapeshifting or Kabbalah or something more imaginative. It’s all just shades of antisemitism. Even the stance that such claims must be valid because the reporters are Israeli, is itself derivative of the Jewish conspiracy trope. Is it more likely there is a large conspiracy afoot and Israeli officers are engaging in war crimes at large scale as many in this thread have concluded (even before this report), or that these are isolated and undesirable events playing out in the fog of war and representative of poor decision making in circumstances of which we have only partial knowledge? My bias, if I have one, is to believe that the Israeli military, or really any competently run military anywhere, is interested in not committing war crimes when avoidable.
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- ethbr1 1y ago> We are the most moral and ethical army in the world. I mean, the Swiss army has never invaded another country. That's a pretty high bar to surpass.
- d1ss0nanz 1y agoAnd that's just the beginning. They want to expand to the east.
- IAmGraydon 1y agoI’m not going to claim a side in this, but I do have a question to pose. When you have two ideologies which are so diametrically opposed to each other that they cannot coexist in the same space at the same time, what is the alternative outcome? One must destroy the other for peace to exist - this is the nature of war. To think that there is some world where everyone comes away from this with a handshake and an agreement is just naive. I’ll ask again: What is the alternative?
- rexpop 1y ago> two ideologies which are so diametrically opposed to each other that they cannot coexist Ideologies aren't platonic solids. They must be constantly refurbished in the minds of the avowed. Every moment of every day informs them—reinforces or depletes them. Changes their character. It's guaranteed that these minds will, eventually, change. Who survives to bare this change remains to be seen. Keep in mind, also, that Israel vs. Gaza is in some ways just a proxy war between US/Europe and Iran/Russia who support Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Ideological differences, frankly, are only a surface patina on the same old economic games. Lastly, consider a third framing: that Israel/Gaza is only the hottest segment of a conflict that encircles the globe: the border between imperial powers and colonized peoples, like US/Mexico etc. Borders, passports, and citizenship are a worldwide system of privileges and protections that Westphalian Nationstates collude to maintain. I'm not sure what ideologies you refer to. Islam and Judaism? Not really relevant to the discussion, I don't think.
- exodust 1y ago> "surface patina" Tell that to the victims of gleeful brutality under the guidance of fundamentalist ideology, like that engrained in Islamist governance and extremist militant groups. Your post reads like the come-down from intellectual pill-popping. Your attempt to dilute a serious problem in the world to "patinas" and reduce the problem to imperial vs colonized peoples, sounds like a manifesto from the lawns of a university activist encampment. Consider the framing, you ask. I considered it and reject it, The subjugation of "infidels" under expansionist oppressive religious groups with the intent to bring "peace" is an imperialism all of its own, but much worse. Peace... at the cost of freedom, autonomy, expression, equality.
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- dang 1y agoHN is explicitly about more than tech. See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
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- Buttons840 1y agoIt's worth comparing these reports to the Flour Massacre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour_Massacre) that occurred over a year ago. I'd also suggest this (impassioned) video about the event: https://youtu.be/sCW-ARvywto?t=5020 https://youtu.be/sCW-ARvywto?t=5020 Compare this reporting from a year ago with the Wikipedia page now. How has this reporting from a year ago held up?
- justin66 1y agoPeople ought to understand that this problem of innocent Gazans - often children - being fired upon by IDF soldiers isn't a new one, it predates the current food distribution operation. An article from October in the NY Times detailing some well-documented atrocities ("44 health care workers saw multiple cases of preteen children who had been shot in the head or chest in Gaza") was published as an opinion piece, in spite of the fact that it consisted of dozens of eyewitness accounts. [0][1] The incomparable sway that Israel holds in American media and American politics prevents pressure to hold those responsible accountable on an international level. When there's enough pressure within Israel to demand accountability for something terrible (and that's rare enough, outside of their peace movement) the conclusion drawn is typically that the soldiers are just careless, but not acting with malice. [2] If there's a single instance of an IDF soldier being held accountable for a civilian killing in this conflict, someone could make me feel a little better by sharing it. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/09/opinion/gaza-doctor-interviews.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/09/opinion/gaza-... [1] https://archive.is/9Lr00 https://archive.is/9Lr00 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alon_Shamriz,_Yotam_Haim,_and_Samer_Talalka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alon_Shamriz,_Yotam...
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- bigyabai 1y agoChildren are children. That's why we respond with abject horror when you see them hungry and huddled, riddled with bullets. If you have to prepend a nationality to "child" to justify it, then I regret to inform you that you are a racist. It doesn't matter whether it happens in Israeli-occupied territory or an American middle school. It's absolutely reprehensible. "stop killing children you dislike" or "stop targeting journalists" should not be a controversial demand in the 21st century. Certainly not to a modernized military.
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- metadat 1y agoWhat should or can we do about it? The US government is not representing the will of its citizens. Contacting my legislative representative isn't likely to accomplish anything to influence Trump continuing to directly facilitate and support genocide and other war crimes. I also still need to work almost every day to pay the bills and care for my family, otherwise I'd be happy to go camp out and peacefully protest in support of change on the daily. What's the best option for the majority who share my situation? Because I do care a lot, and feel stuck.
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- flkenosad 1y agoWW3 is going to be China vs Israel. Watch.
- pphysch 1y agoIsrael can't even sustain a hot war with Iran, with US backing, despite assassinating dozens of Iranian top brass. China represents 10-20 Irans. China (and Turkey, Arab states) is more or less content to sit and watch USA destroy itself domestically and internationally over the failed Zionist project. "Do nothing, win."
- anonymars 1y agoOne could make the argument that it's happening right now. Russia+North Korea, Iran, Hamas, they are all intertwined. And then on the other side you could say Ukraine, US, Israel. Thought experiment: if the Israel/Gaza conflict didn't pop off, would the US presidency be the same right now? How did that change affect the Russia/Ukraine conflict? Etc.
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- ignoramous 1y ago> Now, when friendly fire occurs, when mistakes are made, unintentionally or from bad strategic intelligence, it shocks people more than it used to. Please consider these things as well when determining how you feel about Israel's recent response OK https://zionism.observer https://zionism.observer / https://tiktokgenocide.com https://tiktokgenocide.com
- notjoemama 1y agoWe are more connected with digital recording devices in the hands of more people on this planet than ever before. It also makes it possible to isolate information from one perspective, for example, creating a dedicated website to promote an idea. Just curious, are there similar sites recording the repeated terrorist attacks against Israel? The rapes? Information is only good when it contains enough context to intelligently weigh the facts. I don't suppose you could link those as well could you?
- ignoramous 1y ago> dedicated website to promote an idea Idea or reality? > don't suppose you could link those as well could you? I can, but that's not what is under any scrutiny or question by you.
- kubectl_h 1y ago> Just curious, are there similar sites recording the repeated terrorist attacks against Israel? From your parent comment: > I've spent my life watching news reports of bombings at their border, bus stops, public squares, their fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, and children picked off. There has never been a time in the last 30 years where attacks against Israel were insufficiently covered.
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- Voultapher 1y agoIf Russia were to win the war and a Ukrainian underground would launch "guerrilla attacks" against Russia, they would be lauded as heros. Now here we have a somewhat similar story, of a foreign invader that displaced the local people not too long ago and a remaining native opposition. There is no version of this that will end up with the Palestinians getting a fair outcome. I've calling this a genocide quite early on, sadly it looks like I was right and there is probably many condemning details we aren't yet aware of.
- throwaway3060 1y agoThis scenario already played out before in history; some people may believe those groups to have been heroes, but most can recognize that fighting in the name of independence did not make those groups any less guilty of committing atrocities against civilians. At the same time, that doesn't take away today from the people fighting for freedom legitimately. If anything, those groups hurt their cause in the long-run, as they gave Russia ammunition for propaganda for the next 80+ years.
- the_g0d_f4ther 1y agoWould you say the same about fighting nazi occupation ? Whatever the cost and the consequences (targeting civilians, infrastructure, etc)
- throwaway3060 1y agoI'm not aware of any "resistance groups" fighting the Nazis that created horrors of this kind - though the Soviet army itself probably did. In my opinion, what distinguishes these kinds of massacres is their utter meaninglessness; they serve no military purpose, they are usually even detrimental to military goals. Going door to door killing does nothing to advance a cause - it is purely an expression of hate.
- Voultapher 1y agoJust curious what does fighting for freedom legitimately look like in this context for you? > For Fanon in The Wretched of the Earth, the colonizer's presence in Algeria is based on sheer military strength. Any resistance to this strength must also be of a violent nature because it is the only "language" the colonizer speaks. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frantz_Fanon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frantz_Fanon
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- l33tbro 1y agoYour source is a Zionist whackjob who thinks Amnesty UK should have its charity status removed
- KevinMS 1y agowho somehow got dozens of gazans to stand behind him cheering and smiling even though they are terrified of being shot any second now
- disgus999 1y agoDozens of people who have all the liberties that could ever be afforded to anyone, along with sufficient resources to resist coercion. "If you want food today, pose for the video." See how easy that was?
- KevinMS 1y ago> "If you want food today, pose for the video." anybody who watches that video can clearly see that you are wrong
- neoromantique 1y agoAmnesty international should be dismantled, they have lost all of their credibility by recirculating direct Russian propaganda and now their reporting about Israel is basically direct Hamas PR branch.
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- archagon 1y agoMaybe someone should tell that to the soldiers. “Israeli Soldiers Killed at Least 410 People at Food Aid Sites in Gaza This Month” —https://theintercept.com/2025/06/27/israel-killed-palestinians-food-aid-gaza/ https://theintercept.com/2025/06/27/israel-killed-palestinia...
- jekwoooooe 1y agoSure I definitely believe it. It’s definitely true. For sure.
- archagon 1y agoIt’s such a shame that you get to face zero consequences for your repugnant dismissal if you’re wrong.
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- archagon 1y agoFYI, "Israel acknowledges Palestinian civilians harmed at Gaza aid sites": https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-acknowledges-palestinian-civilians-harmed-gaza-aid-sites-says-lessons-2025-06-30 https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-acknowledge... Looking forward to the next goalpost.
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- YZF 1y agoUnfortunately it's not funny. There is no coincidence here in how anti-Israeli content is constantly promoted and the what the comment threads turn into.
- jekwoooooe 1y agoThere’s only one opinion allowed on the internet now. If Israel let a mob grab all the aid the news would slam them for not doing anything. The demonization is unreal. Meanwhile, Yemen killed and raped thousands of its own citizens and I haven’t seen anything about it of course. There’s an ACTUAL literal genocide happening in Yemen.
- asdf6969 1y agoOh man that’s awful. I support withdrawing all funding for Hamas and all other organizations who intentionally kill humanitarian aid workers. What do you think?
- YZF 1y agoI'm not following your point. Anti-Israeli content is continuously promoted here along with anti-Israel commentary while flagging and down-voting of any discussion to the contrary. Israel can do no right. If it allows food into Gaza Hamas steals it. If it tries to set up a different food distribution scheme and Hamas comes up with various schemes to attack that (including shooting its own people) then that's also a war crime. There is zero consideration in this discussion to Israel's position. To the hostages. To the realities of war. That's not to say Israel can't and shouldn't be criticized but this is more of an obsession and a hate fest than any of that. Valid criticism is not cherry picking and piling on, it's a more thorough consideration of the nuanced reality.
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- Aeolun 1y agoWhat else new. It’s just more blatant this time, but does anyone truly believe bombing all hospitals in the strip is anything but more of the same thing? They’re deliberately creating martyrs so they can prolong this pointless war into the next generation. I can’t imagine there’s anyone left in Gaza that wouldn’t happily gun down any Israelian just for a chance to get back at them.
- ashoeafoot 1y agoAnd qatar is at it again
- stats111 1y agoGaza is the the grave yard of not only Palestinians, but the lie of a rules-based international order. Israel has been allowed to get away with - the backing on it's western allies - flagrant legal violations of international law, alongside accusations of Genocide by the ICJ.
- dlubarov 1y agoThe accusations of genocide were brought by South Africa, not the ICJ which hasn't made any finding on the matter yet.
- jseip 1y agohttps://www.standupforpeace.org/ https://www.standupforpeace.org/ is intended to help organize around this issue.
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- Myrmornis 1y agoI appreciate that this topic has been permitted to stay on the HN front page. It has been utterly horrific watching the barbaric and inhuman behavior of Israel. I have no idea how we are supposed to ever respect or forgive our own states that have aquiesced in this, let alone Israel.
- grugagag 1y agoThank you Dang!
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- 23david 1y agoHow does this belong on HN.
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- frob 1y agoI encourage you to read the quotes from Israeli political and social leaders in this piece: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/27/israel-gaza-propaganda https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/27/israel... > “The Gaza Strip should be flattened, and for all of them there is but one sentence, and that is death,” Yitzhak Kroizer, a member of national security minister Itamar Ben Gvir’s far-right Otzma Yehudit party, said in a radio interview. Yitzhak is a current sitting member of the Knesset.
- maskil 1y agoI just did. No question a number of these comments are completely inexcusable. 2 points: 1. A number of them, especially by more moderate voices, were made in the immediate days after Oct 7 when there was a tremendous amount of anger as a reaction to what happened. 2. The above comment and others like this were made by the extreme of the extreme right in Israel. I don't think that even Ben Gvir would utter such a thing. Nobody with decision making powers is making any attempt to exterminate a people.
- aucisson_masque 1y agoI know it’s an overly simplified view but it’s becoming more and more of a reality, Israel is the 21th century nazi. Yeah it’s not aryan but israelian race that is superior to the Arabians, what’s the difference ? They don’t send them in camp, they just destroy completely their land, demolish and populate with israelian. What’s the difference ? A family without home and earning is as good as dead. There is still some democracy in Israel and a small part of the population opposed to that racism but for how long ? War always push people more and more to extremism.
- whamlastxmas 1y agoGiven how small and boundaried the areas of land are where they are forcing migration to under penalty of mass death, it’s not overly dissimilar to the concept of rounding people up into camps
- egisspegis 1y agoImagine you're the leader of Israel. October 7 happens. And there's a multiple declarations from hamas, that they will repeat it forever, given a chance. What do you do?
- aucisson_masque 1y agoBeat up the hamas, not the civilians. There is no reason for instance to murder civilians at food delivery, UN had been doing it for decades without killing starving civilians every day.
- peppers-ghost 1y agoMaybe consider why the people your country has tortured for 70+ years has a dislike of you. October 7th was not the beginning of history.
- egisspegis 1y agoIt wasn't. But, if you look at it, history is on the side of Israel. I don't recall any terrorist attacks done by Israel, but I do recall at least a dozen done by hamas. Also, there were 0 (zero) jews in Gaza for the last 20 years or so. In any case, the question wasn't about history. It was about specific situation that requires specific decisions. Yet you deflected the question entirely. While, at the same time, showing lack of historical knowledge. Saddest thing here is that I'm not surprised anymore to get "answers" like these from people like you.
- ogou 1y agoMost of the sources in the article are anonymous. Their descriptions of specific shootings are uncorroberated. I question the veracity of this article. It is clearly designed to elicit a pre-determined result and is conjecture and evocative narrative disguised as journalism. If these officers and soldiers are so morally outraged, let them say so on camera with their name underneath. If this is really happening and they are real soldiers who were actually there, then any concerns for their careers or safety should be secondary to revealing the truth in an open and verifiable way.
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- nailer 1y agoThis is yet another hoax - https://x.com/adamrfisher/status/1938959933803728997?s=46 https://x.com/adamrfisher/status/1938959933803728997?s=46
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- silverliver 1y agoA only have one question: Why is this time different from the countless times this happened before? Hasn't humanity already decided on the worth(lessness) of the people living there? That their suffering and death is worth the cause? Why is their treatment bothering people now? Is it because of the manner it was done? Or maybe, just maybe, its people are starting to realize that everyone's worth is intrinsically the same and when you willingly let others devalue the worth of human beings, you inadvertently let them devalue the worth of yourself and the ones your care about too. Watch, this is the fate that likely awaits most of us, including you.
- mhb 1y agoGHF discloses 12 of its local staff members murdered by Hamas, others tortured in Gaza https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-859425 https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-859425
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- erbanku 1y agoI used to support Israel, but in Gaza, Israel's actions have far exceeded an appropriate response. "The dragon slayer has become the dragon", which is very concerning, and undoubtedly a major stain on Israel. Btw, I am Chinese and have no vested interests in either Israel or Muslim groups, other than my emotions as a human being.