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Tesla Robotaxi Videos Show Speeding, Driving into Wrong Lane
- beepbooptheory 1y agohttps://archive.is/LkjJw https://archive.is/LkjJw
- ranger_danger 1y agoGot a non-captcha-looped version?
- physhster 1y agohttps://archive.ph/LkjJw https://archive.ph/LkjJw
- ranger_danger 1y agocaptcha-looped for me, both links are the same server, just different domains
- hackernudes 1y agoAre you using cloudflare DNS? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317
- ranger_danger 1y agoNope, only a local bind daemon with no forwarders.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 1y agoDo you use Cloudflare DNS (1.1.1.1)? https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked
- ranger_danger 1y agonever
- I_dream_of_Geni 1y agoseems to work for me... Don't know why.
- majorchord 1y agothis must be how blind users feel when nobody cares about them being able to use wayland-first OSes
- gruez 1y agoIt's caused by the site owner blocking cloudflare dns. There's a whole drama about it but I'll spare you the details. Switching to any other DNS provider should fix it.
- ranger_danger 1y agoMy understanding is that webservers have no idea what DNS I used to resolve an IP. I understand that different resolvers could return different results, but either way I am not using CF at all, only a local bind resolver with no forward/recursive resolvers in use.
- gruez 1y agoDo you have EDNS Client Subnet disabled by any chance? That's the specific thing the site's checking, what blocks cloudflare dns.
- ranger_danger 1y agoThe open source version of bind does not support it according to their docs I read, but for privacy reasons I would not be using it anyways. I still don't see how DNS would affect this though, because the domain still resolves, and it loads the CF turnstile page, it just never grants access no matter how many times I click "not a robot." Unless maybe they had some kind of unique setup where non-ECS requests were resolved to IPs that just always gave you looping captchas intentionally... but somehow I doubt that is happening.
- bdamm 1y agoThank you! Works great for me.
- seydor 1y agoaren't they using the same software as existing full self driving vehicles? And lets admit, lanes are relative, have u seen the english?
- gruez 1y ago>And lets admit, lanes are relative, have u seen the english? ???
- jandrese 1y agoI understand this is a newer release of the self driving software than is generally available to the public, but it's only incrementally better than the existing self driving suite most Teslas have loaded. It is interesting to compare the commentary here vs. on Tesla fan pages, where they say the biggest problem with FSD is that there are so few interventions now that they can't improve the data set much from real world data. It's just too good. The only thing stopping a nationwide Robotaxi rollout is those fuddy duddy regulators who refuse to sign off on the clearly superior technology because they're in Google's pocket. It's not hard to see how Tesla is a meme stock at this point.
- jesenpaul 1y ago9 years of scamming people into paying for FSD (which I've have since Dec'16). This is what they still release to pump stocks and sell more FSD
- sjsdaiuasgdia 1y agoAnd the market seems to love it for some reason. I don't get it. Waymo's been doing the robotaxi thing w/o any employee in the vehicle for several years now. Tesla's launch yesterday is laughable in comparison.
- jandrese 1y agoTesla is a meme stock. Any relation to their fundamentals is purely a coincidence.
- kiernanmcgowan 1y agoThe market can stay irrational longer than Tesla can stay solvent.
- robjeiter 1y agoWould not necessarily call it a meme stock as long as people are trying to value it based on future uncertain cashflows. Nobody knows for growth stocks how high they'll be; that's why they're very volatile. Yet I'd argue that most people buy for the future cashflows and it's not a meme cult like GME
- golergka 1y agoWaymo owns the fleet, Tesla doesn't. Completely different economic model which would work much better (economically) if it would work (technically).
- vel0city 1y agoEvery Telsa "driverless taxi" is owned by Tesla today.
- owenwil 1y agoI don’t think this is a surprise to anyone who actually owns a Tesla (I own a Model Y). Full self-driving is just _bad_ in comparison to technology from Waymo et al; it slams on the brakes suddenly for shadows, veers into the wrong lane, hesitates in pretty standard intersections, and doesn’t even understand basic concepts like school buses or trains. Here in BC, it completely ignores the 30kph school safety zones, which seems pretty basic. My experience with FSD is that while it feels “magic” at times, it’s like a teenage driver that you have to baby sit constantly. It’s genuinely impressive how well it works given the really limited hardware, but if you use it routinely you know it will make at least one weird/dangerous choice on every trip. Generally, I really don’t trust it in most situations except properly delineated highways, but even then it can be a crapshoot. If you’ve experienced FSD then get in a Waymo, they are night and day different—a lot more predictable, and able to navigate uncertainty compared with what Tesla has built. It’s likely down to a combination of both software and their insistence that radar doesn’t matter, but it clearly does. I would never get in a Tesla that purports to drive itself, there’s no way it’s safe or worth the risk. I won’t even use it with my family in the car. I know a handful of others who own Teslas and feel the same, despite what the fans spout online. I generally like my Model Y, but I definitely do not trust FSD—I find it hard to believe that it’s even being taken seriously in the media. Not a great endorsement if even your own customers don’t trust it after use it.
- FireBeyond 1y ago> doesn’t even understand basic concepts like school buses or trains Yeah, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so horrifying, I remember watching a level crossing be represented as a weird traffic light that would go from red to off to red erratically, with a similarly erratic convoy of trucks representing the train. Mind you I remember people claiming FSD was "nearly done" because they'd "tackled all the hard problems, and were now in clean up", and how as a result that meant they could let their FSD take itself through a roundabout, not just straightlining it through. Never underestimate the power of denial.
- shreezus 1y agoI mostly agree with you. I use both FSD on my Tesla & Waymo regularly (LA region), and Waymo just feels way safer in comparison. While FSD has improved significantly the last few iterations, I have seen it do "strange" things often enough that I don't feel safe just sitting in the backseat like I would with a Waymo. Even if it's hypothetically 99% as good as Waymo at the moment, 99% is not good "enough" when it comes to something as critical as driving.
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- darth_avocado 1y agoThe Wall Street would like to call this fake news.
- TulliusCicero 1y agoIf the speeding is only going with the flow of traffic, that's not a huge deal imo. The left turn fuckup is really bad though, as is the instance of the robotaxi dropping someone off in the middle of an intersection after they hit the "drop off earlier" button: https://sh.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/1liku3o/tesla_robotaxi_drops_off_influencers_in_the/ https://sh.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/1liku3o/tes...
- andrewmcwatters 1y agoNah, I want a system that obeys the law. I don't need software breaking the law on my behalf. Waymo has proven that it's an exceptional ride experience when you have an automated driver that is cautious and obeys the law, which is more than what 99% of drivers do in the Phoenix metro. Go count how many people obey traffic laws for fun. And guess who's at fault when you're caught? Edit: No, crossing double-lines to avoid obstructions isn't breaking the law. People in the Comma Discord bring up these weird edge cases that are outlined in law, too. No, you're never forced to break the law when driving. You can downvote me all you want. You're wrong. The police would find you wrong, a traffic law court would find you wrong. People are animals and don't want to obey the law. Just obey the law. Drive the speed limit, keep right unless passing or turning left.
- nradov 1y agoThere are circumstances where breaking the law is necessary, like crossing a double yellow line to safely get around a lane obstruction.
- nash 1y agoGenerally that's not actually breaking the law. Avoiding accidents, following reasonable directions from road crews and the like explicitly override other laws.
- nradov 1y agoHow do Tesla Robotaxis handle unreasonable directions from road crews? The other day there was a crew patching potholes in my neighborhood and one worker was standing there giving vague hand signals with no sign or anything. I just ignored him and went around when it seemed safe.
- duxup 1y agoDo the Robotaxi's use the same software as the regular Tesla "FSD"?
- jsemrau 1y agoI still hold the belief that the removal of Radar and LIDAR in 2021 was only detrimental to FSD's performance.
- RankingMember 1y agoDid they ever have LIDAR? I completely agree that the removal of radar was a cost-cut too far and a decision made with uneducated hubris (his deeply-flawed "humans only need vision so cars only need that too" thought process). If they ever want to actually compete in this space, I expect we'll see one of these (or both) quietly re-added.
- freerobby 1y agoNo, they never had LIDAR.
- jsemrau 1y agoTesla was/is? Luminar's biggest customer [1]. So they used it for something, likely ground-truth validation [2] [1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/luminar-says-tesla-is-biggest-customer-its-lidar-sensors-2024-05-07/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/luminar-says-tesla-is-big... [2] https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-no-longer-needs-lidar-ground-truth-data-fsd-training-elon-musk/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-no-longer-needs-lidar-ground...
- BrandonLive 1y agoThey used it on test mules to create labeled training data for their older monocular depth / Occupancy Network models (which they still use as part of the supervisory policy enforcement and active safety layer, alongside the end-to-end model). They’ve never had LiDAR in their cars and it would not ever have been practical for them to have done so. Nobody has any mid or long range LiDAR in vehicles as the scale that Tesla sells.
- lexandstuff 1y agoIt surely means these things will never operate safely in rain, snow or even bad fog. That seems like a pretty big issue for a taxi operation.
- harmmonica 1y agoOne thing is for certain: this will be one of the most scrutinized product launches in a long while. Assuming they're able to continue rolling this out (that assumes no major incidents) we will know every last misstep these cars make en route to a proper "driverless" service (ie no safety driver). Then the question will be whether the lack of trust amongst some members of the public towards Tesla/Elon costs them adoption, or if there are enough Tesla boosters/agnostics to get them the growth they want/need. And then at some point, if those rides with the boosters/agnostics all go well (months or even a years from now?), I would assume all but the most fervent anti-Tesla folks will become customers.
- absurdo 1y agoAs certain as forgotten about in a week’s time.
- I_dream_of_Geni 1y agoIn today's environment, pretty much hits the nail on the head....
- sundaeofshock 1y agoYou are missing a key factor: Waymo. Tesla has to deliver a product that is at least as good as Waymo. If they can’t do that, why would a person switch to Tesla? Waymo has a multi-year head start; that’s going to be hard to overcome without a superior experience from Tesla.
- harmmonica 1y agoI don't think I'm missing it. I won't rehash a bunch of my comment history on Waymo, but if Tesla can actually do this, without the costs Waymo has, it'll be quite the coup. And as others have pointed out, Tesla already has all the manufacturing in place and though I'm super doubtful they'll offer a "hire your car out" service anytime soon (or ever!) having the whole vertical offering and using fewer sensors puts them at a distinct advantage from a margin standpoint so they could conceivably offer rides at a significantly lower price than Waymo. Obviously the "if Tesla can actually do this" is doing a lot of work here! I would not surprise me if they had a crash sooner than later and that scuttles the whole thing. But it's also possible that doesn't happen and this works. Or at least I'm not smart enough to know for sure that it won't.
- njarboe 1y agoI sure hope robotaxis speed somewhat. Most humans do and they should go with the flow of traffic.
- sheepdestroyer 1y agoNo. Humans should follow the law, and if they have to be stuck behind a robot that does to do so themselves, so be it.
- njarboe 1y agoAmerica is a common law jurisdiction. Juries determine the true law and you never know what that is until a jury decides. You can make so good guesses though. Custom is the rule so an autocar doing what people normally do is the best way to have it behave.
- etchalon 1y agoIf you watch the videos posted, the cars are behaving it what I would consider eerily human-like ways. That's explainable by, perhaps, the data training set, but an "Actually Indians" approach seems more likely (and more inline with the bullshit Musk has pulled in the past)
- RankingMember 1y agoHe's essentially admitted as much: https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2025-06-20/explainer-how-is-tesla-expected-to-remotely-control-its-robotaxis-and-what-are-its-limitations https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2025-06-20/exp...
- decimalenough 1y agoTesla's AI is trained on actual driving data, so it is behaving in human-like ways, both good and bad.
- vonneumannstan 1y agoFascinated by the buzz about this. Waymo seems objectively better in every way on the merits. So is this just driven by the typical Musk fanboyism?
- sidibe 1y agoYes he invited all the Tesla influencers / TSLA stock promoters to Austin and they're the only ones allowed to use this service for now, predictably they are gushing about it and even on the rides with the screw ups they avoid mentioning them in the videos, just other people pointed them out on X Funnily enough some of the stock promoters were streaming themselves getting to the ride area accidentally using Waymos through Uber
- m101 1y agoI know that Tesla sometimes feels like a religion but there just might be a good time to short the stock. Before going out and saying it's bad software, short the stock first and then ethically berate it. I just did. It's a 200 pe stock, sales are falling, so it won't have earnings to speak of next quarter. High pe stocks need growth to justify their multiples. Tesla is not growing. Also if this robotaxi service isn't pulled off the road soon then it will be limited to a very select set of locations. If someone has to sit in these cars to monitor them all the time then Tesla may be losing money on every journey. This premature move in releasing the robotaxi is certainly stock pumping.
- LZ_Khan 1y agoI just shorted it as well.. 3 days before you. And I got roasted. Invest with caution.
- m101 1y agoI feel you. I got lucky.. for now. Sometimes you just got to pick the right day as it was better than yesterday.
- misiti3780 1y agoA lot of people have shorted TSLA and lost a lot of money - See Jim Chanos. I actually agree the price is going to go down before it goes up, but I wouldnt waste money trying to time it Long term I think they are fine - I think they will have solved FSD and no one will remember Elon's politics.
- m101 1y agoTesla was actually growing then. This time is totally different.
- misiti3780 1y agoIf you think Tesla is a car company, then yes I agree with you, it looks and acts like a meme stock. I think they're an AI company that has amazing manufacturing processes that makes cars. Of course I might be wrong, but the value can be justified if I'm right.
- ChrisArchitect 1y agoRelated: Tesla Robotaxi launch is a dangerous game of smoke and mirrors https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44300727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44300727
- os2warpman 1y agoApparently Tesla has three billion miles of driving data. How many billion miles more are needed for the computer to not drive over a double yellow line? Is there any evidence that three trillion miles would work? yall_got_any_more_of_that_driving_data_dave_chappel_meme.gif
- socalgal2 1y agoWaymo is working great with far less miles (40 million?). I use it all the time. And know many other friends who use it all the time and love it.
- Zigurd 1y ago3 billion miles of two dimensional 1080P images is what they've got plus telemetry for speed, acceleration, etc. A lot of the imagery was acquired at night or in foul weather or taken by a camera with a dirty or broken lens. If it turns out that lidar is necessary, there goes the value of the installed base of Tesla, vehicles. It would be like starting from scratch. Clinging to vision only AV is some variant of the sunk cost fallacy. If you're thinking, surely they must've thought of all that and have a plan, I'd point to the design of starship and ask, is that ever going to be human rated?
- BrandonLive 1y agoThey collect video, not images, along with other sensor and control data. It’s not a sunk cost fallacy, it’s a technical strategy that is very logical and showing compelling results (though as of yet unproven for achieving robust L3 or L4 autonomy, demos notwithstanding).
- BrandonLive 1y agoDriving over a double yellow is expected and legal in normal driving, such as when making a left turn or going around an obstruction. In this example it looks like it oscillated between two different routing choices (turning left and going straight), and by the time it decided the correct route was to go straight, it found itself misaligned with the lane it should have been in. Instead of moving all the way back to the right, it kind of “cheats” its way into the upcoming left turn lane. This isn’t something it should do in this situation, but it’s likely emulating human behavior seen in situations like this which appeared in its training data, where people cut across the center line(s) ahead of the turn lane forming when they can see that it is clear. The thing a lot of people get wrong is that they think the most valuable data for Tesla to collect are the mistakes or interventions. Really what they need the most is a lot of examples of drivers doing good job of handling complex situations. One challenge, though, is separating out those good examples from the less good or bad ones, as human drivers are notoriously bad at, well, driving.
- aanet 1y agoShake my head If THIS is the state of Tesla's "full self driving" abilities, I would NEVER ride in one of these. Nor would I left my family ride in one. AND I would carefully steer away from any lane that has one of these vehicles running. (disclosure: long time AV safety advocate; have tested AV capabilities of dozens and dozens of SAE L2-L4 vehicles in the last ~7 years)
- comrade1234 1y agoI wish people drove the speed limit but now I have to deal with robotaxis speeding? I have my motorcycle license and drove an sv650 when I lived in CA. Normally on a motorcycle the left lane on the highway is the safest because people are merging in and out of the right lane when they enter and exit the highway, so the left lane is usually steady and no turning. So you drive with traffic in the left lane as much as possible. The problem in CA is that you're driving at times 95mph just to stay with traffic. I had a turn near Ventura on the 101 where I had to lean my bike so far over that it was like I was on a racecourse. Since moving to Europe it's much more sane. There are speed cameras everywhere so people don't speed. When you can predict what every on else is doing on the road it's so much safer.
- breadwinner 1y agoSounds like the software isn't ready for primetime, but they also don't have the right hardware (no LiDAR).
- leesec 1y agoSo much hate in this thread lol. Headline could have easily been "Tesla launches Robotaxi, gives hundreds of rides without incident". They're closer than ever to solving driving at scale. In fact they're the only company close to doing it. Waymo still has less than 3 thousand cars. Keep shorting if you want. The pace of improvement in the last year and a half makes success obvious. I haven't had a safety intervention in many months on just random roads. Cheers haters
- itsoktocry 1y ago>They're closer than ever to solving driving at scale. Well, yes, if by "closer than ever" you mean marginally closer than they were yesterday, sure. It's a big step, but there's still a ton to prove. The gap between promises and reality is still large. Waymo is still ahead. >I haven't had a safety intervention in many months on just random roads. No one believes you.
- leesec 1y ago> No one believes you. Fine with me buddy. There's tens of thousands of hours of perfect rides online. There's an uber driver with no safety intervention in 17k+ miles who records every drive. Stick your head in the sand if you want. In fact, short the stock!