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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard
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- rafram 1y agoThat’s utter nonsense. How would that even work? Does gravity act differently in the “equatorial old world”?
- the_real_cher 1y agoGravity?
- glimshe 1y agoI think he's implying that countries near the equator are underdeveloped and thus the crash could have been caused by human factors (such as negligence)
- closewith 1y agoAs opposed to the predictable accidents of the Amazon and Guyanan basins? Apart from the casual racism of lumping together areas of three continents in your generalisation, it was lazy racism as at 23 degrees North, Ahmedabad is close in latitude to Florida and far outside the 5-10 degree equitorial zone.
- potato3732842 1y agoLatin America doesn't have as much high end aviation going on to fall out of the sky and the factions that are competing with the government for control in the new world are less inclined to slip explodey things onto flyey things than the ones in the old world. I'm flattered you think I'm racist. I assure you I allocate my hate based on the contents of their mind than the color of their skin. I only have so much hate to go around and there's no reason to waste hate on people who don't need it.
- closewith 1y ago> Latin America doesn't have as much high end aviation What are you talking about? > I assure you, I hate people far more based on the contents of their mind than the color of their skin. You're fooling yourself here. Your absurd (and factually incorrect) assumptions about whole regions is textbook racism.
- potato3732842 1y ago>What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Like FFS, seriously. Look at the population numbers. Look at the number of arrivals and departures of the kind of large "international newsworthy when they crash" aircraft. There is simply less chance one falls out of the sky in LatAm because there's many fewer of them in the sky to begin with. >You're fooling yourself here. Your absurd (and factually incorrect) assumptions about whole regions is textbook racism. You are projecting your own judgements into my words. These nations are poorer and a lot of baggage comes with that. None of which has anything to do with race.
- closewith 1y ago> You are projecting your own judgements into my words. No, I'm reading your words as you write them. Deciding that Ahmedabad is "right on the edge" of the "the equatorial old world" is racist unto itself. It shows staggering geographic and cultural ignorance. Some self-reflection is in order, because if you speak like this in real life, people may not call you out directly but everyone will think less of you.
- decimalenough 1y agoThe previous poster could have worded their comment much better, but shoddy maintenance, dodgy fuel etc absolutely are a real issue in developing countries. Air India has a reasonable safety record, but in most all other aspects they're widely recognized as being a shambles.
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- K0balt 1y ago>gravity I’m going to assume this comment is sarcasm. Anyone with a reasonable amount of exposure to physics in the region has been witness to innumerable Bollywood documentaries that illustrate the many gravitational anomalies present in the vicinity of the subcontinent. Probably another example of slipshod Boeing engineering failing to anticipate the gravitational and mass related endemic conditions. They should have done more testing.
- m4tthumphrey 1y agoSeems like they lost power? https://x.com/georgiameloniii/status/1933091545248641248 https://x.com/georgiameloniii/status/1933091545248641248
- hnpolicestate 1y agoDid the Italian PM really say "I pray all passengers are safe" after posting that fireball?
- aaldrick 1y agoits a parody account
- AHTERIX5000 1y agoIt seems to be a parody account
- ihuk 1y agoThere's a better, longer video on Reddit. At the beginning of the video, it sounds like the Ram Air Turbine (RAT) is deployed, which would suggest a dual engine failure.
- Simon_O_Rourke 1y agoDual engine failure with a stall right at the end as it's going in. Guessing it's either a foreign object ingested into both engines, probably a bird strike, or fuel starvation.
- ihuk 1y agoHere's a Reddit video: https://www.reddit.com/r/ahmedabad/comments/1l9i1ga/om_shanti_to_everyone/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ahmedabad/comments/1l9i1ga/om_shant... And here's a YouTube video showing a Ram Air Turbine (RAT) being deployed on a 787 for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFBCGf50Trc&t=69s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFBCGf50Trc&t=69s
- ihuk 1y agoI believe this is the first hull loss of a Boeing 787.
- lvl155 1y agoI will reserve my judgement but Boeing can’t catch a break.
- cebert 1y ago[flagged]
- dinkblam 1y agowhen will the chinese enter that market? super cheap planes for everyone!
- comrade1234 1y agoThey are in the market but they depend on engines and other components manufactured elsewhere... https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Aerospace-Defense-Industries/China-develops-passenger-jet-but-40-of-parts-suppliers-are-overseas https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Aerospace-Defense-Industrie...
- SideburnsOfDoom 1y agoSerious response: COMAC, the "Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China" (1) are working on it, but the competitor C929 aircraft (2) is not expected before 2030. And they have produced smaller aircraft (3), but but the numbers produced so far are not impressive. In other words, you're correct that it's not "if" but "when". And that it's a hard task, but they are working on it. The Jet engines seem to be the major hurdle. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C929 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C929 3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919
- decimalenough 1y agoThey have, but the only potential Dreamliner competitor on the horizon, the C929, won't enter service until 2030 at the earliest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac#Products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac#Products
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- Symbiote 1y agoThe Guardian live article has a video showing the crash: Direct link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india-flight-ai171-plane-crash-ahmedabad-india-latest-updates?page=with%3Ablock-684aa2af8f08c87de84dc997#block-684aa2af8f08c87de84dc997 https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india... https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india-flight-ai171-plane-crash-ahmedabad-india-latest-updates https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india...
- greybox 1y agoSome news outlets are indicating that there are some survivors: https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/air-india-dreamliner-crash-ahmedabad https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/air-india-dreamliner-cras... > Several injured passengers have been evacuated from the scene and transported to local hospitals. Edit: The BBC is reporting local police as saying: "There appears to be no survivors" https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c8d1r3m8z92t?post=asset%3A8731f745-51ee-4932-96ce-b4759a85010c#post https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c8d1r3m8z92t?post=asset%3A8731...
- Havoc 1y agoIt hit a medical facility of some sort - student doctors etc, so maybe also be on ground injured
- rcruzeiro 1y agoMost likely bystanders who got injured.
- baq 1y agoYou ain’t walking away from a fully fueled aircraft crashing unfortunately…
- SkyeCA 1y agoCrazier things have happened. It would not be shocking if a couple of people survived.
- knifie_spoonie 1y agoIndeed. There were survivors from that horrific Korean flight that crashed into the concrete wall.
- shivam543 1y agoIsn't it possible to eject the fuel / fuel tank if crash is imminent?
- leetrout 1y agoFlightRadar24 shows them doing an intersection departure with only half the runway. Assuming this is accurate I would think this is a terrible idea in a large, heavy aircraft (and I realize they might not have been heavy for this flight). When I was flying I would regularly hear airliners refuse intersection departures past a few hundred feet from the end of the runway due to company SOPs. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vt-anb#3ac3097f https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vt-anb#3ac3097f
- piva00 1y agoADS-B at that airport seems very inaccurate, if you look at previous departures there are a bunch of planes misplaced.
- HackerLemon 1y agoBaseless speculation and very unproductive comment. At least show some takeoff calculations and perhaps don't speculate with confirmed unreliable ADS-B data
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- joncrane 1y agothey backtracked and used the full runway
- calcifer 1y agoRemember last year when a Boeing engineer whistleblower urged the company to ground all 787 Dreamliners? [1] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/16/boeing-whistleblower-787-dreamliner https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/16/boeing-whis...
- decimalenough 1y agoI'm not a fan of Boeing, but let's not start pointing fingers yet. We know literally nothing about what caused the accident yet, and the 787 Dreamliner has a stellar record: it's been flying since 2011, with over 1000 in service, and I believe this is its first ever major accident.
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- segfaultex 1y agoYou've stated a fact in such a way that the audience is intended to draw a very specific conclusion.
- throw10920 1y agoYeah, it's a Reddit-tier anti-intellectual cop-out.
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- bravesoul2 1y agoYou did better. You just asked a question!
- JohnKemeny 1y agoWill no one rid me of this turbulent priest? What!? I only asked ... geesh
- decimalenough 1y agoFlightradar24 reports that this occurred immediately after takeoff: Initial ADS-B data from flight #AI171 shows that the aircraft reached a maximum barometric altitude of 625 feet (airport altitude is about 200 feet) and then it started to descend with an vertical speed of -475 feet per minute. https://x.com/flightradar24/status/1933091913567285366?t=MhYvuP4iUxvCvRzjrI5MqQ&s=19 https://x.com/flightradar24/status/1933091913567285366?t=MhY... This also means that the flight was fully fueled and it's sadly unlikely there will be any survivors. There are also casualties on the ground.
- bombcar 1y agoSo 425 above ground level in a plane that has a 200 ft wingspan, they barely got out of ground effect.
- polishdude20 1y agoThere was one Survivor at least! https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india...
- fortran77 1y agoThere’s a WSJ report with a free link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44255817 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44255817
- JumpCrisscross 1y agoGentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.
- snickerbockers 1y agoI hate so much how whenever something bad happens there's a huge rush to come up with theories that place the blame on some group or ideology you already hated for unrelated reasons. I've stopped paying attention to the news in part because I don't like how disingenuously giddy people get whenever there's a mass-casualty event. I don't even mind morbid curiosity about death and suffering but nobody should ever see it as a benefit to their chosen group-identity.
- bell-cot 1y agoYeah. But jumping to conclusions serves a variety of human emotional needs. And in an attention economy, that means it also serves a large industry's economic needs.
- randomNumber7 1y agoIt speaks for itself that this gets down voted. The game theory problem is probably that if everyone does it you have to do it too. Like I strongly support equals chances, but if I e.g. get discriminated against for being a white heterosexual male -> it kinda forces me to vote against it
- gosub100 1y agoThis is why I despise Trump-bashing. Not that I think he's a particularly great person or leader, but when everything going wrong in the world gets tied back to him, I know it's ideologically driven.
- mattbrewsbytes 1y agoI was just watching something the other day about how jet engines have gotten more efficient and powerful over the last 50 years where commercial airliners really only need 2 engines. All 2 engine aircraft also have to be able to operate on 1 engine as well if there is a failure. One has to wonder if this was a bird strike incident on both engines that maybe having 4 engines would have allowed the plane to circle back around.
- brunohaid 1y agoBaffling tragedy, again. Clear skies, no LiveATC but reports of single Mayday call, gear out but no flaps and no control inputs visible in the grainy video. Something has to go really catastrophically wrong with a modern jetliner for that to happen, like the very dense flock of birds in Korea with the 737 a couple of months back. The very short intersection takeoff seems like a good hint (and terrible practice), but all gears and engines look kinda OK from the outside. If they‘d scraped something on takeoff hard enough to take out both engines, there’d probably be some visible damage, or at least some gears sheared off. EDIT: Fully agree with the speculation in light of tragedy comments, but aviation is a bit of a special case. The reason it’s so safe is because an awful lot of people immediately start looking into potential reasons and then spend years getting to the bottom of it. The initial speculation is like an exercise: what could have happened? What if I’m in that situation, and need to act now, without knowing much of anything? If you do that a couple of dozen or hundred times throughout your life, it really builds a foundation for when an actual emergency ever happens to you. It’s a bit like the reason most flight attendants in the emergency exit jump seat across from you won’t talk with you during the actual takeoff and landing: they‘re mentally walking through a potential emergency and what they‘d then need to do. Every single time. So if it ever happens, there‘s muscle memory, 10000x over. EDIT 2: see the Flightradar24 comment below, it looks like they did backtrack and use the full runway.
- dist-epoch 1y agoA pilot speculated that it looks like a multiple bird strike.
- xattt 1y agoWhy no control inputs then? Surely, the plane could still be commanded in absence of engine power.
- cm2187 1y agoBut also how long after take off do you retract the flaps? Can it be a pilot error (took off without flaps?). It happened more than once in the past, though I thought a modern plane like the dreamliner would make that mistake nearly impossible.
- Havoc 1y agoJust fell out of the sky. Whatever went wrong clearly wasn't save-able via pilot skill
- mkoryak 1y agoNyt gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/12/world/india-plane-crash-ahmedabad?unlocked_article_code=1.OU8.VWwp.6wtr0e6VcW27&smid=nytcore-android-share https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/12/world/india-plane-cr...
- xiphias2 1y agoThe Boeing Dreamliner link was marked as dupe... can you please make that the main one? This link doesn't even contain the plane type
- altairprime 1y agoYou have to email the mods for them to make fixes like this.
- throwanem 1y agoThis is the first fatal crash of a 787.
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- babushkaboi 1y agoFlight Crew Sumeet Sabharwal – Captain - 8800+ flying hours Clive Kunder – First Officer 1 - 1100+ flying hours Cabin Crew Aparna Mahadik – Cabin Executive-1 Shradha Dhavan – Cabin Executive-2 Deepak Pathak Irfan Shaikh Lamnunthem Singson Maithili Patil Manisha Thapa This was crew of AI171. Next time you're on a flight please take a moment to thank the pilots, CISF staff and cabin crew for all they do to keep us safe.
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- DanielleMolloy 1y agoThis is the 4th within less than a year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_aircraft_accidents_and_incidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_aircraft_acc...
- quantumfissure 1y agoAnd there were 7 in one year during 2018 and 2019. Looking through the chart you linked, averages around 3 per year. Considering how many planes are currently in the sky at this very moment, this is a wildly useless statistic used to cause fear and panic.
- Ylpertnodi 1y agoPost-covid, aren't there considerably fewer planes in the skies? When i look up, the skies seem remarkably empty, compared to previously.
- tatersolid 1y agoAnecdotally there seems to be a bit more air traffic in around Chicago versus 2019, but perhaps I just notice flights overhead more now as I commute downtown far less. This site shows current ORD volume at roughly 2019 levels: https://chicagoairportguide.com/statistics/ https://chicagoairportguide.com/statistics/
- DanielleMolloy 1y ago> Looking through the chart you linked, averages around 3 per year. > this is a wildly useless statistic used to cause fear and panic. I can read too. I added a comment with a number. You don't know my intent, this is your interpretation. Besides, 2018/19 was a steep outlier with the 737 MAX crashes. This is why these got widespread attention and have been discussed down to the last detail for years.
- arccy 1y agoWe're on 4, and only halfway through the year. We're on track to exceed 7.
- debarshri 1y agoIs it an old or the newer aircraft?
- fredoralive 1y agoThe plane was 11 years old if Wikipedia is correct.
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- DanielleMolloy 1y agoThere is a person on X who says he has left the plane before takeoff and has uploaded videos of non-functional entertainment panels: https://x.com/akku92/status/1933114664923148455 https://x.com/akku92/status/1933114664923148455
- Macha 1y agoI guess it’s kind of surprising in a relatively new plane, but I encounter non functional entertainment systems relatively often. They’re not treated like the safety critical systems by any airline
- DanielleMolloy 1y agoI thought the same but he implies that the screens were not the only tech not working (AC, seats damaged). It is quite an intuition to decide to leave a plane in such a moment. He just escaped death and is now aggressively attacked for saying something potentially relevant.
- RandomBacon 1y agoIt reads to me as if he was on the flight before the doomed flight.
- Symbiote 1y agoIndia is a large country, so a plane travelling a route like Delhi→Ahmedabad→London isn't unusual, with passengers able to board and disembark in Ahmedabad. (There may also be security rules like requiring continuing passengers to disembark with their hand luggage before reboarding. I don't know, it's 15+ years since I took a flight like this.)
- sailingparrot 1y agoHe did not leave the plane, he said he was on the previous flight from Delhi to Ahmedabad, before the plane then went on to do the Ahmedabad - London flight when it crashed. You can see his flight ticket in the tweet.
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- tgv 1y agoIsn't English quite prevalent in India?
- hyperbovine 1y agoHindi and English are considered the two main languages in India. (Officially, it's a lot more complicated than that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_with_official_recognition_in_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_with_official_recogn...). So yeah, this comment is misinformed.
- lmm 1y agoIndeed. For those of a social class to become pilots, it's probably their native language.
- pmarreck 1y agoLots of good counterarguments here but I was speaking in more general terms. Whoops. Glad to learn that it was likely not a factor in this case due to English prevalence.
- Gud 1y agoAnd as somebody married to someone from India, I doubt a lack of English proficiency is the reason.
- eldaisfish 1y agoyou don't have to doubt :) , English proficiency is the norm in professional jobs in India. Not to native levels but certainly more than sufficient for jobs like a pilot.
- CommenterPerson 1y agoIndian Alien here. I'd suggest more sleep. I would bet a fair amount of $ that average scores of Indian kids who take GRE / SAT would be higher than citizens born in, ahem, God's Own Country. Admittedly, those would be kids from the middle / upper middle class. To afford pilot school you'd need to be from those sections anyway, or from the air force. So I'd not consider language to be a factor here. Although as the top comment says, wait a week or two. Or maybe more. Off topic, as someone who travels to India 1-2X per year .. it's more common to see women Indian pilots. I'm only mentioning this unusual stat as your comment shows a kind of regional bias.
- crossroadsguy 1y agoFriends from the city told me it crashed into hostel or mess hall of a medical college.
- billfruit 1y agoAvherald seems overwhelmed. Any other sources for more information?
- ExoticPearTree 1y agoFrom the videos online, it looks like the plane stalled.
- dckx 1y agoI'm intently following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_171 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_171 Any discussion about causes is going to be pure speculation right now. It's too early. But the Wiki article is pretty good to get an overview. Some interesting discussion on its talk page too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Air_India_Flight_171 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Air_India_Flight_171
- jmkni 1y agoWikipedia is far from perfect, but in situations like this it is kind of incredible how well it can work
- msravi 1y agoApparently, there's a survivor. https://x.com/sidhant/status/1933160167816007842 https://x.com/sidhant/status/1933160167816007842
- whitegladis 1y agohttps://imgur.com/a/ni11fhQ https://imgur.com/a/ni11fhQ
- chias 1y agoThey redact some part of the text on the ticket, but leave the scancode unredacted, which contains all of this text and more :P
- markus_zhang 1y agoThe lottery guy. And he is unscratched!
- leumon 1y ago“Thirty seconds after take off, there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,” said Ramesh, speaking to the Hindustan Times. He said he “impact injuries”, including bruising on his chest, eyes and feet but was otherwise lucid and conscious. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india-flight-ai171-plane-crash-ahmedabad-india-latest-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-684ae1908f0814dfee5fea6e#block-684ae1908f0814dfee5fea6e https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india...
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- storus 1y agoSeat 11A. That's interesting, typically most survivors are located in the back, this one was in the front-center.
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- msravi 1y agoCCTV capture of complete takeoff: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1933165937399648447 https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1933165937399648447
- 1970-01-01 1y agoI'm told not to speculate, but I'm going to do it anyway because this video clearly shows there was an issue going to full thrust. It's an extremely rare dual engine failure or pilots' error not calling up full thrust to keep it flying. Very possible this is the famous bird strike issue Capt. Sullenburger experienced in 2009.
- msravi 1y agoBut doesn't seem like a bird strike issue here, right? And given the rarity of a dual engine failure, seems to point to not calling up full thrust? But seems to me that this kind of error would be more common without any technical safeguards?
- rawgabbit 1y agoExtremely slow takeoff. The engines appeared to have both quit. And the plane did a slow descent and crash.
- anon84873628 1y agoThose slow seconds of falling must be psychological torture. If I'm in a plane crash I want it to be instantaneous.
- gambiting 1y agoIt looks like it was fast enough that most people on board probably didn't realize they were about to crash, or they crashed within seconds of the realization. As torturous as that must have been, it was thankfully very very brief.
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- nitinreddy88 1y agoThis is the full video of take off to crash: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1933165937399648447 https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1933165937399648447
- rigrassm 1y agoJust my personal observations of the video, I'm in no way qualified to speak on the matter. There's a large plume that looks like smoke to me looks like smoke (could be dust/sand being blown away but I wouldn't think you'd see that much from a busy runway) visible off the left side of the runway. The plane is obscured by that structure when it happens but it looks like it's created at the same time that the plane is leaving the ground. It looks like the plane stops accelerating completely at that same moment without any change in orientation which, in my head, looks like both engines suffered total failure at the same time. From my limited knowledge (mostly from Mentour Pilot YT videos), that seems consistent with what you'd see if the plane flew through a large flock of birds that are spread out enough that both engines would be hit at the same time. Again, purely speculation on my part based solely on what I see in this 1 video.
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- jharohit 1y agoone dude sitting in 11A jumped out & survived pretty much unharmed. This was the Emergency Exit. https://x.com/indiatoday/status/1933160181871099943?s=46 https://x.com/indiatoday/status/1933160181871099943?s=46
- mkfs 1y agoGiven the fake news that came out of India after Sindoor, with the government insisting no fighters were lost even after third-party confirmation from France and the US, I'm hesitant to believe a purported "sole survivor" silver lining narrative when the only evidence is a few still photos and some brief video clips, especially in the age of AI.
- seatac76 1y agoThe comment is quite stupid given the context. But I’ll play. The government never denied fighters were lost in the early days they just didn’t confirm it either. They did confirm it later though.
- aurizon 1y agoA sad case. Once they find the data boxes and inspect the data and voice records of the crew they might arrive at an answer. Unlike the USA, India as well as China prioritise political aspects above facts. This leads to the danger of hidden facts that show any officer is at fault. They also have a rigid hierarchy so if a senior officer makes an error, a junior officer dares not correct him and cause the senior to lose 'face'. This has caused plane crashes in India/China in the past.
- kylehotchkiss 1y agoIndia has an aviation safety record the past 20 years nearly as good as USAs. Your comment isn’t helpful.
- aurizon 1y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zi0HHGA4Ak&ab_channel=PilotBlog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zi0HHGA4Ak&ab_channel=Pilot...
- aurizon 1y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUFS2np0mKc&ab_channel=PilotBlog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUFS2np0mKc&ab_channel=Pilot...
- teitoklien 1y agoA Boeing Whistleblower engineer had warned of premature failure of this Boeing 787 Dreamliner and had asked US congress to bring down every single plane of this model type 1 year ago. He died of “suicide” suspiciously right after. I hope Boeing gets investigated for failure after failure after failure, and crashes it has caused recently. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/16/boeing-whistleblower-787-dreamliner https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/16/boeing-whis...
- jibe 1y agoHis warnings were about the fuselage construction. This doesn’t appear to be a structural failure, of the type he was worried about.
- teitoklien 1y agoHe raised concerns on many issues including the fuselage issue >Salehpour, who has worked at Boeing for more than a decade, says he faced retaliation, including threats and exclusion from meetings, after raising concerns over issues including a gap between parts of the fuselage of the 787. That particular issue you quote, was only given as a single example
- carabiner 1y agoThe whistleblower in your linked article, Sam Salehpour, is still alive.
- teitoklien 1y agoOh ! , you're right I'll edit the comment (wont let me edit anymore, i hope others read this comment). I mixed him with the other Boeing Whistleblower John Barnett Thanks ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barnett_(whistleblower) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barnett_(whistleblower)
- adastra22 1y agoAnd to be fair, there is AFAIK absolutely no reason to believe Jon Barnett's didn't take his own life. Indeed there is overwhelming evidence that he pulled the trigger, alone. Now whether he was driven to suicide by Boeing's unrelenting and unending persecution campaign against him as a whistleblower is another, perfectly valid question.
- pluc 1y ago"AI crash" results are about to get wild.
- constantinum 1y agoSome interesting conversations here in this thread https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/666472-plane-crash-near-ahmedabad.html https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/666472-plane-cr...
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- rich_sasha 1y agohttps://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/666472-plane-crash-near-ahmedabad-5.html https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/666472-plane-cr... Still wild speculation, but at least a high proportion of it informed.
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- impulser_ 1y agoWhy is it always foreign airlines that crash? The US flys significantly more than any country in the world and operates the most Boeing airplanes including the 737 and 737 Max, yet there hasn't been a single major accident like this and the Max crashes in the US. Are these planes not maintained to the same standards, are the pilots not trained on these types of planes as much as in the US?
- amiga386 1y ago> there hasn't been a single major accident like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191 > American Airlines Flight 191 crashed shortly after lifting off the runway at Chicago O'Hare Airport [...] The accident was attributed to improper maintenance procedures. The crash resulted in the deaths of all 271 passengers and crew on board, as well as two people on the ground. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587 > American Airlines Flight 587 crashed in the Belle Harbor neighborhood of Queens, New York, just after departing John F. Kennedy International Airport bound for Las Américas International Airport, Santo Domingo. The first officer's overuse of the rudder in response to wake turbulence from a Japan Airlines 747 was cited as cause. All 260 people on board, as well as five people on the ground, died from the crash I'm going to downvote you now.
- decimalenough 1y agoThe first was in 1979, back when planes crashed left and right everywhere. The second, in 2001, remains the last major accident in the US.
- impulser_ 1y agoI'm not talking about accidents from 40 and 20 years ago. I'm talking about the recent 737 accidents both this one and the previous Max crashes.
- amiga386 1y agoWhat you're doing is running your mouth and implying there's some sort of magic that makes the USA -- probably the country you live in -- special. All other countries must obviously be inferior, incompetent, in comparison to the glorious USA. That's not how planes work, that's not how aviation safety is advanced. There have been hundreds of accidents and there's no value in cherry-picking specific timeframes (while not actually stating you were cherry-picking until challenged on it), nor specific categories of accident (fatal accidents with hull loss only). This is not the right way to view it: https://www.statista.com/statistics/262867/fatal-civil-airliner-accidents-since-1945-by-country-and-region/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/262867/fatal-civil-airli... THIS is the right way to view it: https://www.panish.law/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/PSBR-Aviation-Crash-Statistics-1-1.jpg https://www.panish.law/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/PSBR-Aviat... So is this: https://accidentstats.airbus.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/05.2_YearlyHullLossAccidentsRate-2025.png https://accidentstats.airbus.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/... And this (page 8): https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/boeingdotcom/company/about_bca/pdf/statsum.pdf https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/boeingdotcom/compa... (and if you want to apportion geographic blame - for Boeing airframes only - check out pages 17-24) When there are accidents, the right thing to do is to analyse how it happened, come up with findings that might reduce the likelyhood of it happening again, or eliminate it, and push all people in aviation to adopt those findings - whether it be manufacturer, ATC, airline, or pilot, and regardless of country.
- callamdelaney 1y agoIt looks like that runway is relatively short, is it perhaps near the length of runway required to get a plane like that off the ground?
- bravesoul2 1y agohttps://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c626y121rxxo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c626y121rxxo Goes through the usual speculations. However it mentions interesting the region has a high number of bird strikes.
- urbandw311er 1y agoIt surely can’t be a coincidence that the sole survivor was sat next to the emergency exit. I still can’t fathom how he walked away from that, though. Or even got out the plane alive.
- tim333 1y agoIf you look at the photo a large chunk of plane was stuck in the building https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2025/06/12/TELEMMGLPICT000428364527_17497284249490_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq8W44mZEW0zcVUHYed3romtkM9MM8VM3G1BxlGUO4L8Q.jpeg?imwidth=960 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2025/06/1... I guess he was just lucky to be in a bit sticking out rather than crushed?
- grg0 1y agoThese are 240 people killed. When will Boeing be sued for negligence?
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- unionemployee 1y agoCompressor stall. Inexperienced FO shuts down the wrong engine. They then mishandle the other one somehow. Crash.