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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the
by bradhe 2y ago
Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.
- orbital-decay 2y agoAmazing to see posters still managing to blame an external enemy for their own humongous trillion-dollar consent machine working as designed in a direction they don't like this time.
- tim333 2y ago[flagged]
- nprateem 2y agoThey've probably got video of him being whipped by some hookers or something. Or worse...
- spiderfarmer 2y agoI think they have so much compromat that the entire GOO would seize to exist.
- kadoban 2y agoHe had a decades-long, close friendship with Epstein, and a documented, admitted history of vile behavior with women and girls. You can guess what kompromat would look like.
- PeterStuer 2y ago[flagged]
- kadoban 2y agoFuck that guy too, nobody minds him going down if there's evidence. Do you think that fixes Trump's gross behavior and history?
- hnpolicestate 2y ago[flagged]
- tim333 2y agoWell there's not much conspiracy theorizing. Politico article: >The top level of the Soviet diplomatic service arranged his 1987 Moscow visit. With assistance from the KGB. It took place while Kryuchkov was seeking to improve the KGB's operational techniques in one particular and sensitive area. The spy chief wanted KGB staff abroad to recruit more Americans... https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-fir... Which doesn't prove Trump did bad stuff but does kind of show the KGB were trying.
- hnpolicestate 2y ago[flagged]
- throw919232156 2y agoThat recites a book from a Trump hating Guardian reporter. Why would the CIA let him become president if they actually had something on him? Why would they let Gabbard (also called a "Russian asset") become DNI if they had something on her?
- goatlover 2y agoCan the CIA overturn elections?
- tim333 2y agoUpdate - Grok did quite a good analysis on that. It estimates "a 75-85% likelihood Trump is a Putin-compromised asset" https://x.com/i/grok/share/WQepvCpIJl2EJ0F7tHNbLAhm6 https://x.com/i/grok/share/WQepvCpIJl2EJ0F7tHNbLAhm6
- aemu 2y agoYeah, man. I have emigrated from Russia to EU five years ago and it is heartbreaking to see the developed US and some European countries go through the same bullshit we were going since 2011. Like half the country starts living in wild, completely imaginary world, and you can always tell what is the current agenda of the propaganda machine just by talking to some relatives who fell through that rabbit hole
- roxolotl 2y agoI agree it’s a huge disgrace and half of the US is living in a fantasy land. However polls show that Americans don’t like Putin. A poll two weeks ago[0] actually showed 81% of Americans do not trust Putin. Finding 81% agreement about anything is hard. This is something that is unique to the administration and those who deeply agree with what it’s done. Not that it matters… clearly people don’t care enough to vote for it. My heart goes out to the people of Ukraine. 0: https://thehill.com/policy/international/5153611-quinnipiac-poll-russia-putin-trust/amp/ https://thehill.com/policy/international/5153611-quinnipiac-...
- justin66 2y agoThat poll in isolation means nothing. A person who "does not trust Putin" but nevertheless subscribes to Russian propaganda is still doing his work. I see plenty of people in social media (enough to be convinced that they aren't all bots) who appear to believe that continuing to support Ukraine with aid would bankrupt the US, would be equivalent in effect to fighting Iraq or Vietnam again, would lead to WW III, and so on and so forth. The conspiracy theories about Ukraine's leadership are elaborate as well. I imagine almost all these people would tell you they don't like Putin.
- ModernMech 2y agoRight. They don’t Trust Putin but they trust Trump. If Trump acts on Putin’s agenda, they will vote for it and call it smart.
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- georgeplusplus 2y ago[flagged]
- croes 2y agoSorry to burst your bubble, there is already a war and Russia is winning thanks to Trump. And don’t think it will be last one Russia started.
- tiahura 2y ago[flagged]
- rayiner 2y agoMost of the Democrats who are good on foreign policy are republicans now (Gababrd). The Democratic Party was taken over by neocons (Hillary Clinton).
- croes 2y agoThere is a difference between peace and surrender, because that's basically that what Trumps proposes to appease Putin. To oppose that isn't warmongering.
- perching_aix 2y agoI don't think the Republicans, who champion freedom above all else usually, are making a whole lot better showing of themselves championing occupation, while simultainously making asinine arguments about how not doing so is a mere performative battle against Trump (supposedly), or runs contrary to peace itself. Mind you, these are the same people who want guns everywhere for people to "protect themselves" with, and will share around security footage from shops cackling, where the shop owner turns the third robber in a year into swiss cheese. It really makes me wonder what kind of moral background is required to find supporting subservience through disgusting remarks less despicable than a hypocritical-or-not supporting of a hopeless fight. Like genuinely, how does one get to that point? Although to be honest with you, the pushback using this argument doesn't seem nearly thought through enough for this. Instead, it's a mere spasmic reaction where people found a catchy clapback to the peace quote, and then end-of-proof right there. Great job indeed...
- rayiner 2y agoThere’s no “propaganda network.” America has a president that overthrew the GOP leadership by destroying Jeb Bush over the Iraq War: https://youtu.be/H4ThZcq1oJQ?si=ZawKMFFY3LmAhYMr https://youtu.be/H4ThZcq1oJQ?si=ZawKMFFY3LmAhYMr. After the mistakes of the last two decades, there is little appetite in America to do anything in foreign countries americans can’t find on a map beyond empty virtue signaling.
- croes 2y agoTrump cited Russian propaganda of Zelensky‘s 4% approval rate. So where did he get that from?
- rayiner 2y agoYou think random factoids are driving Trump’s viewpoint? Trump overthrew the Bush dynasty by eviscerating Jeb over the Iraq War: https://youtu.be/H4ThZcq1oJQ?si=Y3nWQeiui8KJhj8b https://youtu.be/H4ThZcq1oJQ?si=Y3nWQeiui8KJhj8b. Now, neocons want to chalk that up as bad execution of an otherwise sound ideology. But you don’t think that Trump’s supporters could genuinely disagree with that assessment—think that the underlying problem is that america is too willing to intervene militarily in places that don’t directly affect the U.S.? You think that view is driven by Russian propaganda? The way I see it, Ukraine is the test case for the foreign policy populist Democrats have long supported. The Cold War is over. The likelihood that Putin will invade Germany or France next is low. Regional wars are just that, and we should let them play out without getting involved. Otherwise you’re still subscribing to Reaganite neoconservatism—you’re just quibbling about the details of whether to involve the american military empire in any particular skirmish.
- croes 2y agoI think personal animosities drive Trump's viewports, otherwise you wouldn't call a president a dictator because he didn't held an election during a war what's exactly that what the Ukrainian constitution says. You wouldn't appease a dictator who imprisoned and killed his opposition. And Putin wouldn't attack openly, nowadays you attack per online sabotage, something the US will see rising, or won't see because Trump suspended the cyber operations. Strangely enough he has no problem sending money to Israel after Hamas attacked them, despite the Israel army is much more powerful than the Hamas. So Trump has no problem being involved in wars he knows his supported side will win or has already won. Trump gos for the easy wins, he is a low-hanging fruit harvester. Same with DOGE. Firing people doesn't reduce bureaucracy, changing laws and regulations does. But that's not what they do. BTW people said the same about the likelihood of Putin attacking Ukraine, or about the likelihood of Ukraine withstanding the attack more than weeks. Seems like likelihood is a bad measure for reality. And pissing of your allies and victim blaming the president of an invaded country is bad politics, unless you are the villain.
- tonyhart7 2y agoUS spends trillion in vietname,iraq,afghan etc while people can't afford housing,healthcare and living paycheck to paycheck its hard to care for other people when your basic needs is not fullfill
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoThank you. This is what people with privilege don't get. There are concentric circles of giving a fuck: first in the center is yourself, then your family, then your friends, then your community, then your city, then your country, then other countries on the planet. It's impossible to get people to care about the outermost circle when their inner circles are not satisfied, so they won't be happy to see their elected officials being generous to foreigners with their own tax money.
- rayiner 2y agoIt’s not even about “basic needs.” How much support is there in fat and happy Europe for putting boots on the ground? It sounds like UK and France would go it alone? https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/03/04/which-european-countries-would-take-part-in-a-coalition-of-the-willing-for-ukraine https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/03/04/which-european... And it’s not lost on me that both Starmer and Macron represent a minority of the electorate in their respective countries—having won due to a deeply fractured electorate.
- sham1 2y agoWell, it seems that at least according to the article, Finland, Scandinavia, the Baltics, Poland etc. weren't even asked for our opinions. Unfortunately typical that we just get ignored here in the eastern flank. One can only hope that we weren't mentioned because it's obvious that we'd back these operations, since an ascended Russia is an existential threat to everyone here, but alas. Of course there are ideas like the one from President Stubb, wherein any peace treaty could be dive such that a future attack on Ukraine by Russia world mean Ukraine's automatic ascension to NATO (and/or the EU, depending on just how far America is willing to backstab its allies) and basically having the organisation(s) guarantee Ukraine's independence. Although that would require taking northern and eastern Europeans seriously, and I'm somehow not convinced of that happening. But yeah, hopefully they get the peacekeepers at the very least.
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- throw919232156 2y agoThe success is that the Green party is now the biggest neocon and anti-Russia party in Germany.
- wewxjfq 2y agoAs all conspiracy theories, this provides a simple explanation to circumstances that otherwise require complex answers, but it holds no water. The KGB was ineffective and inept. It didn't reach the masses, it didn't influence public opinion. Of course a former KGB agent selling his story must tell you otherwise, but most of these guys spent their whole career feigning successes to their superiors.
- throwaway48476 2y agoWhile they may feign success to their supervisors you need to look at the tangible results. They got germany to shut down their nuclear power plants and got the civil rights act passed. That's not ineffective.
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- wewxjfq 2y agoIf you think Chernobyl was orchestrated by the KGB, then yes. Sadly, I knew right away were this was heading. Ironically, Russia is more involved in pushing this false narrative than they were ever involved in the anti-nuclear power movement. And it only works by twisting facts. The Soviet Union tried to bolster the anti-nuclear arms movement, emphasize on arms, to stop the Americans from stationing nuclear weapons in Europe, which worried the Soviet leaders greatly - how Europe generates electricity was none of their worry. Lastly, nuclear disarmament is neither a KGB invention nor a KGB success.
- ModernMech 2y agoSome of us knew we were in this information war, and we've been fighting it for 10 years. Remember in 2016 when Trump colluded with Russia to with that election? And everyone who knew what was going on at the time said Trump and Putin were allies? Those people were mocked incessantly for a decade. Authors like Seth Abramson predicted what's happening now years ago, just by treating the facts seriously, and for that he was treated like a crazy person. I mean, they were caught meeting with a Russian spy in their campaign HQ, told us they got most of their money from Russia, and then told us for 10 years we were being crazy conspiracy theorists by claiming they were aligned with Russia. It's not a hard puzzle if you have the pieces. So hearing today that "this is such a surprise" is especially frustrating, because this has been the topic of congressional reports written by Republican , impeachment trials, DOJ reports, reports from federal agencies, warnings from the FBI, CIA, and also international intelligence agencies. People like Christopher Steele correctly called this a decade ago and he was demonized. Australia brought it to the attention of the FBI. Like... people knew this was happening, and warned, and not just nobodies like people on the Internet. What happened over the last 10 years is that Russia won the information war, and the general public decided to trust Russian state media over Democrats when it came to Trump's support of Russia. Which, I think at long last we can all admit this is the case without calling anyone a conspiracy theorist yeah?
- bamboozled 2y agoI’m not going to be surprised to read he plans on sending weapons to Russia in the near future. I’m also not going to be surprised when the cult cheers it on as well. Russia has done a great job, good for them I guess?
- ryandrake 2y agoHis cult justifies and allows him to do anything he wants. He could go on TV tomorrow and announce that the US and Russia are merging into one country, and his followers will get right to work spinning how this is actually good, and it's really a 5D chess move, and a genius tactic, and how smart this is for the USA. They (and he) are all incapable of admitting anything he does is wrong.
- bamboozled 2y agoThis is why I don't really buy the argument that they have "kompromat" on him, even if they did, it wouldn't matter? What could he possible have done that would deter his followers at this point.
- belter 2y ago“We will take America without firing a shot. We do not have to invade the U.S. We will destroy you from within” - Nikita Khrushchev