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It's corporate doublespeak. But to be fair, corporations need to say every single thing in a positive light or else media would savagely quote them. See what h

by alecco 2y ago

It's corporate doublespeak. But to be fair, corporations need to say every single thing in a positive light or else media would savagely quote them. See what happens when somebody big admits openly making a mistake. They get punished. This stupidity destroys an honest society. Media and social media are evil forces.

MangoCoffee 2y ago
Bezos pumped billions into Blue Origin and still lost to SpaceX. Maybe scaling down and running it like a startup would be better. I wonder if Bezos is still pumping billions into Blue Origin even now
- oskarkk 2y ago
  They don't have much revenue. They're selling some engines to ULA, they have some government contracts and quite big commercial contracts for launches that haven't happened yet, so Bezos is surely still pumping money to pay for these 14000 employees and other expenses.
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  Aren't they ready to finally test a heavy rocket capable of orbit? From the information they publish, it looks like stopping the race because you got tired just before the finish line. I wonder what part of the public information is false.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    New Glenn has already reached orbit. Starship probably will soon (tests so far have been suborbital because they would be launches to LEO, which is dangerous if they can't be certain of controlled reentry. New Glenn launched to MEO which is safer because it won't be reentering.) The race hasn't stopped.
thih9 2y ago
> corporations need to say every single thing in a positive light or else media would savagely quote them I call BS - don’t humanize corporations, they do what they can to maximize profit. Media is being helpful; without media’s work corporations would still present things in good light for them, only now without third parties involved. Consumers would not benefit from that.
- Mountain_Skies 2y ago
  What about media corporations? The vast majority of media are part of a small number of huge profit seeking corporations.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    They aren't exactly guilt free either if bewtween the horrible compensation model and a revenue incentive that decreases the quality of their wriing. But two wrongs don't make a right.
  - thih9 2y ago
    I guess one more reason not to claim that corporations are suffering from evil media’s savagery - they’re all corporations after all. Plus, having corporations keep each other in check still sounds helpful to me.
    - marcosdumay 2y ago
      > Plus, having corporations keep each other in check still sounds helpful to me. For the ~4 centuries we've had stuff similar to corporations, that never worked anywhere. Corporations will always cartelize and try to protect each other.
      - thih9 2y ago
        Note that I said this sounds helpful, I never said this should be the only measure. There are laws against anticompetitive behavior. Also, about corporations always protecting each other, this looks incorrect, e.g.: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_warfare https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_warfare
johnnyanmac 2y ago
>See what happens when somebody big admits openly making a mistake. They get punished. Yes, actions have consequences. It's not like these are honest, unavoidable misakes these businesses make. They ruthlessly plan around these concepts, and any failure has employees pay the most.
wesselbindt 2y ago
> media would savagely quote them I think you're confused as to which side of the employer-employee struggle the media aligns itself with. All major news outlets are owned by the owning class, whose interests align with those of Bezos and other employers. Recently, a member of the owning class did a literal actual Hitler salute on stage twice, and the closest the mass media came to calling a spade a spade was saying things like "alleged resemblance to a Roman salute".
- zmgsabst 2y ago
  https://x.com/ADL/status/1881474892022919403 https://x.com/ADL/status/1881474892022919403
  - wesselbindt 2y ago
    Real apartheid defense league moment
  - chillingeffect 2y ago
    It'a funny. I always thought of the ADL as having a hair-trigger, over-blaming. Then this happened and I can't figure out if they're just trying to survive? If they're more interested in protecting certain groups than others? Doesnt make sense.
    - eastbound 2y ago
      Maybe it was, genuinely, too much excitement when saluting the crowd. It is obvious to me and I’m really surprised so many people were talked into believing it was anything else than a mistake. If he really wanted to come out as a “Charlie Chapplin” fan, he would have repainted his brands in the associated colours.
      - 42772827 2y ago
        He did it twice and never apologized.
      - 2y ago
gnz11 2y ago
> Media and social media are evil forces. We've got to get over this "all media bad" mentality. It's counterproductive and not helping anything. Sure, there are garbage media organizations publishing to maximize profits but there are also all kinds of organizations doing stellar journalism these days too. Also, "media" is such a broad term that it's almost meaningless.
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  > but there are also all kinds of organizations doing stellar journalism these days too They just don't have any viewership. It may be worth studying why and what can be done to fix this. But I bet one will get stuck with "it's because of government corruption" pretty soon and have no place to move from there.
- Kubuxu 2y ago
  Could you list few? I’ve stopped following media in general because everything I could find was profit maximisation through outrage and sensationalism. So I would really appreciate something that isn’t that.
  - janderson215 2y ago
    Foreign Affairs is an exception I’ve recently discovered that seems to go for level-headed criticism versus a more panicky take. Here’s an example article: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/path-american-authoritarianism-trump https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/path-american-a...
- jajko 2y ago
  Please stop dragging rest of humanity to your side, there is no "we" in your camp, and I agree with OP in the meaning of his/her words. Its a net loss for humanity, as is all political correctness instead of objective truth which should always be pursued. Maybe a good idea on paper, but it failed to actually change anything or anybody, fringe people just got pushed into their own siloed groups and there is no coming back, thanx to 'media'. Now with ie US elections of gradually in Europe too we saw and see how all fringe quietly became majority at the end.
adverbly 2y ago
Well said. It's the complete opposite of a growth mindset. It's a sales mindset. Our society only wants to hear from con-men, and so (big surprise here) we tend to put literal con-men in leadership positions. I'd love to hear some recommendations on how to change the incentives around this.

by alecco 2y ago

MangoCoffee 2y ago

Bezos pumped billions into Blue Origin and still lost to SpaceX. Maybe scaling down and running it like a startup would be better. I wonder if Bezos is still pumping billions into Blue Origin even now

oskarkk 2y ago
They don't have much revenue. They're selling some engines to ULA, they have some government contracts and quite big commercial contracts for launches that haven't happened yet, so Bezos is surely still pumping money to pay for these 14000 employees and other expenses.
marcosdumay 2y ago
Aren't they ready to finally test a heavy rocket capable of orbit? From the information they publish, it looks like stopping the race because you got tired just before the finish line. I wonder what part of the public information is false.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  New Glenn has already reached orbit. Starship probably will soon (tests so far have been suborbital because they would be launches to LEO, which is dangerous if they can't be certain of controlled reentry. New Glenn launched to MEO which is safer because it won't be reentering.) The race hasn't stopped.

thih9 2y ago

> corporations need to say every single thing in a positive light or else media would savagely quote them I call BS - don’t humanize corporations, they do what they can to maximize profit. Media is being helpful; without media’s work corporations would still present things in good light for them, only now without third parties involved. Consumers would not benefit from that.

Mountain_Skies 2y ago
What about media corporations? The vast majority of media are part of a small number of huge profit seeking corporations.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  They aren't exactly guilt free either if bewtween the horrible compensation model and a revenue incentive that decreases the quality of their wriing. But two wrongs don't make a right.
- thih9 2y ago
  I guess one more reason not to claim that corporations are suffering from evil media’s savagery - they’re all corporations after all. Plus, having corporations keep each other in check still sounds helpful to me.
  - marcosdumay 2y ago
    > Plus, having corporations keep each other in check still sounds helpful to me. For the ~4 centuries we've had stuff similar to corporations, that never worked anywhere. Corporations will always cartelize and try to protect each other.
    - thih9 2y ago
      Note that I said this sounds helpful, I never said this should be the only measure. There are laws against anticompetitive behavior. Also, about corporations always protecting each other, this looks incorrect, e.g.: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_warfare https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_warfare

johnnyanmac 2y ago

>See what happens when somebody big admits openly making a mistake. They get punished. Yes, actions have consequences. It's not like these are honest, unavoidable misakes these businesses make. They ruthlessly plan around these concepts, and any failure has employees pay the most.

wesselbindt 2y ago

> media would savagely quote them I think you're confused as to which side of the employer-employee struggle the media aligns itself with. All major news outlets are owned by the owning class, whose interests align with those of Bezos and other employers. Recently, a member of the owning class did a literal actual Hitler salute on stage twice, and the closest the mass media came to calling a spade a spade was saying things like "alleged resemblance to a Roman salute".

zmgsabst 2y ago
https://x.com/ADL/status/1881474892022919403 https://x.com/ADL/status/1881474892022919403
- wesselbindt 2y ago
  Real apartheid defense league moment
- chillingeffect 2y ago
  It'a funny. I always thought of the ADL as having a hair-trigger, over-blaming. Then this happened and I can't figure out if they're just trying to survive? If they're more interested in protecting certain groups than others? Doesnt make sense.
  - eastbound 2y ago
    Maybe it was, genuinely, too much excitement when saluting the crowd. It is obvious to me and I’m really surprised so many people were talked into believing it was anything else than a mistake. If he really wanted to come out as a “Charlie Chapplin” fan, he would have repainted his brands in the associated colours.
    - 42772827 2y ago
      He did it twice and never apologized.
    - 2y ago

gnz11 2y ago

> Media and social media are evil forces. We've got to get over this "all media bad" mentality. It's counterproductive and not helping anything. Sure, there are garbage media organizations publishing to maximize profits but there are also all kinds of organizations doing stellar journalism these days too. Also, "media" is such a broad term that it's almost meaningless.

marcosdumay 2y ago
> but there are also all kinds of organizations doing stellar journalism these days too They just don't have any viewership. It may be worth studying why and what can be done to fix this. But I bet one will get stuck with "it's because of government corruption" pretty soon and have no place to move from there.
Kubuxu 2y ago
Could you list few? I’ve stopped following media in general because everything I could find was profit maximisation through outrage and sensationalism. So I would really appreciate something that isn’t that.
- janderson215 2y ago
  Foreign Affairs is an exception I’ve recently discovered that seems to go for level-headed criticism versus a more panicky take. Here’s an example article: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/path-american-authoritarianism-trump https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/path-american-a...
jajko 2y ago
Please stop dragging rest of humanity to your side, there is no "we" in your camp, and I agree with OP in the meaning of his/her words. Its a net loss for humanity, as is all political correctness instead of objective truth which should always be pursued. Maybe a good idea on paper, but it failed to actually change anything or anybody, fringe people just got pushed into their own siloed groups and there is no coming back, thanx to 'media'. Now with ie US elections of gradually in Europe too we saw and see how all fringe quietly became majority at the end.

adverbly 2y ago

Well said. It's the complete opposite of a growth mindset. It's a sales mindset. Our society only wants to hear from con-men, and so (big surprise here) we tend to put literal con-men in leadership positions. I'd love to hear some recommendations on how to change the incentives around this.