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YouTube's New Hue
- cft 2y agoThere's a big opportunity to build apolitical uncensored clone of YouTube. Current alternatives lack funding and don't function well
- dewey 2y agoHow is that related to a new YouTube design?
- afavour 2y ago1. Off-topic 2. There isn't a big opportunity really. The current alternatives are reflective of that lack of opportunity.
- mikepurvis 2y agoI agree. The subscription model is actually pretty decent at allowing you to find stuff from the creators you care about without having a ton of algorithmic "for you" content shoved in your face. Yes, obviously YouTube does still wield enormous power over what shows up on the home page and in the "watch next" queue, but it's still overall far less invasive than the tiktok/reels/shorts model, and gives me way less cause for anxiety about the political motivations of whoever is pulling the strings on that algorithm behind the scenes.
- jsheard 2y agoNon-sequitur aside, what specifically do you want to post on YouTube that's not allowed? To me it seems like you have to go pretty far off the rails before they'll step in.
- thomasfromcdnjs 2y agoI'll bite; - When I search for recent news e.g. "australian medical staff jewish" (current topic), all the results are left leaning responses. I would mostly prefer to see the original video without commentary and uncut, and also would like to see more right wing responses. (A lot of issues over the years that were right leaning would just surface late night comedians mocking the right wings perspective on such issues) - Looking up medical or scientific claims that are "indisputable" e.g. climate change, covid. I was curious to see Kari Mullis speak about his claims around hiv/aids correlation but only one or two videos exist, I had to go to the alt-youtubes to find speeches and lectures he did.
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- veridies 2y agoFor the first example: that’s not censorship? It’s just a bad algorithm. Also, I don’t even know what “left-leaning” means in this context; the top result is from the Australian national broadcaster, and seems pretty straightforward. No one thinks nurses murdering Israelis is a good thing. For the second example: Mullis is literally insane, and you can still find his opinions on YouTube, as you yourself found. Did you try uploading those lectures you found yourself? I’ll bet money that they won’t be take down (except maybe for copyright). To be a little less charitable: this is a persecution fantasy. The right wing is not being silenced by YouTube.
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- carlosjobim 2y agoMajor television news media have been globally banned from YouTube due to war. Free debate on covid-19 and the vaccines were suppressed and banned on YouTube. Maybe still is, I don't follow that. Those are probably the biggest censorship issues with YouTube. And more are probably to come, as the world spins around.
- rewgs 2y agoAh yes, YouTube, famously devoid of Covid-19 misinformation.
- carlosjobim 2y agoAre you denying that YouTube implemented censorship for Covid-related videos? They were very open about it: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13813322 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13813322
- carlosjobim 2y agoThe down votes are kind of telling. There exists no censorship and anybody who says anything to the contrary has to be censored? If people don't like the answer, they should probably not ask the question. Now you know why everybody loves the great leader. Because they make sure that the people who don't love him shut up. I was born in a place where everybody agrees with everybody else on every issue, because if you don't agree in every detail you are shunned and shamed as a heretic or suspected enemy spy. Then you cannot have open discussion of anything except of discussing how much you hate people who don't think like you.
- jhanschoo 2y agoCan you give specific links to incidents and reporting on them?
- carlosjobim 2y agoThe government-aligned media channel Russia Today is globally banned on YouTube. As for Covid videos, it is official YouTube policy: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13813322 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13813322
- milesrout 2y agoYoutube is probably the most reasonable of the social media websites now. Well it was until Twitter was fixed by Mr Musk, anyway. People have been allowed to post crazy nonsense on YouTube for many years. For a short period they censored quite heavily (2020-2023ish) but theyve backed off. It has never been as bad as Twitter or Facebook were where milquetoast 2008 Obama would have been banned ten times over.
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- ninkendo 2y agoThe article keeps snapping back to the top as I scroll. (iOS safari, latest version.) Why does anyone ever implement JavaScript that tries to mess with your scroll position? Like, ever? Can we stop this madness?
- trentnix 2y agoSix well-paid Google designers trumpeting a new…gradient. Maybe I’m too curmudgeonly for my own good, but that is quite underwhelming.
- jsheard 2y agoThe least they could do is write up something as unhinged as that old Pepsi design strategy document. https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell-021109.pdf https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell...
- josephg 2y agoThats amazing. Its in the uncanny valley where I can't tell if they're serious or if they're having a laugh. It immediately makes me think of the song "Redesign Your Logo" by Lemon Demon. Pure comedy.
- roenxi 2y agoIt recalls to mind Don Quixote. Is it madness or genius? In the case of great art; who can rightly say. It is clear they worked hard for their salary.
- slater 2y ago(i think it was also released as a joke, then everyone took it seriously)
- wormslayer666 2y agoThat song is directly inspired by the Pepsi nonsense; the lyrics and backing video [1] have some direct quotes. Definitely the first thing that comes to mind each time a multi-billion company decides to change their logo and nobody likes it. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu3ETgAvQrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu3ETgAvQrw
- mkaic 2y ago"Redesign Your Logo" was actually directly inspired by this exact brand redesign document, so your instinct is well-founded! Here's a transcript of the official Spirit Phone commentary track where Neil mentions it: https://lemondemon.fandom.com/wiki/Spirit_Phone:_Commentary#Redesign_Your_Logo https://lemondemon.fandom.com/wiki/Spirit_Phone:_Commentary#...
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- rgovostes 2y agoOn Mobile Safari the page scrolls up to the top every few seconds. Adds a novel bit of interactivity to the article.
- hokumguru 2y agoThis is incredibly aggravating, and I cannot read the article. It scrolls, even if I’m holding my finger on the page. To make matters worse for some optimizing reason or another reader isn’t able to capture the whole page text
- unsnap_biceps 2y agoEven if you pause the video it still jumps! What an ironic page to have this issue on.
- reddalo 2y agoIt's "design" baby.
- exogen 2y agoA comment I made when I started noticing the magenta gradient at the end of the progress bar: it's a bit anxiety-inducing for those who remember needing to degauss their monitors, because it looks almost exactly like when you mess up a CRT with a magnet. (Aside from that: not a fan, it makes the chrome of the video player more distracting.)
- josephg 2y agoOh, thankyou for finally naming it. I've had a vague sense of anxiety for months seeing that gradient - like something is wrong and I need to fix it somehow. I just had no idea why I felt that way until I read your comment just now.
- jszymborski 2y agoI know I sound silly and dumb for feeling so strongly about something so small, but the gradient really gets on my nerves. It is indeed so subtle as to make it feel like something is wrong with the display, but not subtle enough that I don't notice it _every time_. Similarly, the "glow" they introduced a while back makes it feel like I'm getting the worlds worst backlight bleed. Mercifully I use FreeTube to watch YouTube which saves me from these design choices.
- treyd 2y agoThat glow I think you're referring to is "theater mode" and fortunately it can be disabled on the gear menu. It's incredibly distracting, especially in Firefox it can sometimes be laggy.
- maples37 2y agoI think you mean "ambient mode". Theater mode is like the halfway point between normal-size an fullscreen-size. As an aside, does anyone know of any good YouTube settings extensions? I usually open YouTube in incognito tabs to avoid the personalization "features", but this means none of my preferences around ambient mode and "stable volume" are saved.
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- sampton 2y agoThese designers are grasping hard to justify their existence. Second part of the article harps on the importance of contrast yet the background is so overtly salmon it's almost impossible to read.
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- mjfl 2y agoNow it looks like Tinder.
- giantrobot 2y agoSo YouTube has come full circle.
- afavour 2y agoYou'll never guess how Hacker News feels about an article on design
- yakshaving_jgt 2y agoIt’s not even the content of the article. We can’t read the article because the page keeps jumping back to the top. In no world is this defensible.
- atonse 2y agoI literally can’t read this blog post because it keeps jumping to the top of the page to play the video again and again. Maybe take 10% of the time you spent dreaming up new colors to just make your blog function like a regular page instead of adding a million weird animations?
- jasonjmcghee 2y agoSame experience- crazy. Had to use reader mode- except it doesn't have the full post afaict.
- robofanatic 2y agoSame. Probably they just laid off their UX guy.
- stouset 2y agoSame here. It took six designers to change the color of the YouTube logo, but the design department of a company that built its entire existence on the web can’t build a functioning website. Design is how it works. And your website doesn’t work.
- kristopolous 2y agoI could have sworn design used to be about how something was used and not just about how pretty and cute it looked.
- bitwize 2y agoThey're professional designers, not HTML code monkeys, you insensitive clod! Seriously, there are designers whose entire work output is PDFs or, more recently, stuff in L^HFigma, which lesser beings (read: developers) are expected to turn into functional HTML.
- cpeterso 2y agoDid no one at Google read this blog post on an iPhone before publishing?
- ncann 2y ago> Robyn: To give YouTube a sense of motion, we created a dynamic red-to-magenta gradient. For the second color, orange and yellow were strong contenders, but magenta felt like the most natural pairing with our new red. Interestingly, magenta doesn't often appear in the natural world, so it symbolizes the imagination and evolution that YouTube embodies. We also placed the gradient at a 45-degree angle with magenta on the right, signifying forward movement. Kinda reminds me of this quote https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1311_05-08_mickens.pdf https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1311_05-08_mickens.pdf > There will be rich debates about the socioeconomic implications of Helvetica Light, and at some point, you will have to decide whether serifs are daring statements of modernity, or tools of hegemonic oppression that implicitly support feudalism and illiteracy.
- skydhash 2y agoBateman: [internal monologue] Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh my God... it even has a watermark.
- BonoboIO 2y agoPerfect
- dylan604 2y agoany time i read quotes like that, i immediately start rolling my eyes that people actually believe the words being uttered. "symbolizes the imagination and evolution" yeah, that's what a color says to me. these are essentially Rorschach level tests where it says more about the person than anything factual
- BoorishBears 2y agoYou just need to learn to embrace the Pepsi Universe: https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell-021109.pdf https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell... (For newcomers with limited time, scroll to the last 2 pages)
- joshuaturner 2y agoI try not to be one of those people who resist any/all change just because it's change, but the gradient on the progress bar bothers me so much.
- fishgoesblub 2y agoFor the longest time I thought being an artist rarely paid. now, it seems that all you have to do is work for a tech company and market your "innovative" re-designs to the right people and you'll get paid big bucks for what amounts to little work.
- pockmarked19 2y agoI’ve never met an artist who would prefer to make money by making a mockery of their art. Only people who are already dead inside do this (which, admittedly, some in poverty are).
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- pilaf 2y agoThe page's background turns to fairly unpleasant pink once you scroll past the middle point. Is that the norm for design.google blog posts or is it some kind of subtle messaging about the new gradient? Also the replacement of the mouse cursor with that negative-color circle is visually interesting, but it suffers a lot from input lag which gets on my nerves.
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- scrlk 2y agoLook at that new shade of red. The tasteful vibrancy of it. Oh my God...it even has a gradient.
- iandanforth 2y agoWe see your American Psycho reference and are pleased.
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- camillomiller 2y agoI cover design. Talking about design this way gives designers a bad rep. Understandably so.
- bloqs 2y agoAh yes, the definition of Bikeshedding
- James_K 2y agoYouTube is such a horribly designed site. The best feature they've added in ages is the queue option, bet even that is busted as hell. Half the time an "add to queue" button appears on the thumbnail of the video, but the other half of the time it doesn't and you have to click the ellipsis menu. Even when you can click the button, it will select element of the page which leaves the video auto playing unless you hover back over it to stop. The queue itself disappears if you close and re-open the tab which is plain annoying. The video player itself sometimes breaks and requires me to reload the page. Ambient mode is annoying and I dislike it being on by default. Sometimes I click on a thumbnail but it has an on-hover action that spawn a link to their "about sponsored content" page right over the thumbnail where I wanted to click on the video, then when I hit the back button the home page has refreshed and the video I wanted to watch is gone.
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- armchairhacker 2y agoI sense that, albeit slowly, big companies are moving back to more complicated skeuomorphic-like designs. Here YouTube’s adding a (very subtle) gradient. Better examples may be: compare the newest macOS icons to those from the Sierra (?); and the new Reddit logo has a slight 3D effect, while I remember the old one was flat. Allegedly styles and fashion go in cycles, so maybe minimalism is going out of fashion. I doubt we’ll get old YouTube or OS X Snow Leopard, but we’ll get something different.
- xnx 2y agoI think this is the thesis, antithesis, synthesis cycle: Thesis = full skeumorphic 2005 YouTube logo Antithesis = flat 2015 YouTube logo Synthesis = "Material" design. Light 3D effects.
- iandanforth 2y agoIt's pink.
- restlessdesign 2y agoThis really makes my layoff feel worth it in the end.
- latexr 2y ago> How did you keep the change from feeling overwhelming? They’re really taking the piss. They changed the red imperceptibly and added a gradient that makes it look like a pamphlet that got discoloured from being in the sun too long. Had I been on part of this change, I’d have been embarrassed of lending my name to this post and would have vehemently asked to be excluded. The fact they published it shows a lack of self-awareness and only makes graphic designers look like professional bullshitters. Add some random circles while you’re at it, go full Pepsi/Yahoo.
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- xnx 2y agoNot the most ridiculous design update description I've read, but still tough to get through the whole page. What's the idea behind changing the cursor on desktop to a circular tap indicator?
- strictnein 2y agoMessing with the cursor like that feels so amazingly invasive and it makes using the page significantly more difficult. Is the point on the round cursor in the upper left? middle? who knows!
- bluehex 2y agoYou don't have to worry about that because it very conveniently snaps to the click targets that you move it near. /s
- xnx 2y agoNo mention that the YouTube logo had a gradient in 2011.
- imp0cat 2y agoAnd the yt player also probably worked a lot better in Firefox in 2011. They should've fixed that instead for yt's 20th birthday.
- sammcgrail 2y agoWhat a colossal waste of time. The gradient on the progress bar made me think my tv had broken at first
- brink 2y agoHey now, I am actually sick to death of flat material design and am happy to see gradients making a comeback.
- mrbonner 2y agoHa! My first reaction from this article is that someone is up for the next promotion cycle.
- ein0p 2y agoSame. The gradient is ugly and unnecessary IMO. Looks like discoloration, especially in the progress bar. But hey, if the promo committee likes it, what's a couple billion users between friends?
- pockmarked19 2y agoHaha, that reminded me of https://thehaplesshap.com/docs/case_8/ https://thehaplesshap.com/docs/case_8/
- disqard 2y agoBrilliant! Thanks for sharing.
- allenu 2y agoCome on, it was a team effort. It took at least six designers to come up with that new color.
- imp0cat 2y agoThis is the peak of artisanal design. Something that us, uncultured swine, are obviously unable to fully appreciate.
- daft_pink 2y agoHow to say you’re a monopoly without saying you are a monopoly, “Our refresh journey began by pinpointing YouTube’s most outdated elements through research. Color ranked in the top three, so we knew that evolving our palette would make an immediate and significant impact.”
- throwaway314155 2y agoSorry, how exactly is that implying a monopoly? They're talking about the color palette... If anything this just means YouTube is relatively "finished" software. Of course i don't disagree that they are in fact a monopoly. I just don't think this post about colors is somehow a dog whistle for it.
- daft_pink 2y agoThey can afford to allocate resources towards several six figure a year employees working on research showing that one of their top three most outdated elements are the color of their logo and then replacing pure red with some other shade of red.
- latexr 2y agoThat still does not imply monopoly, just that they have got more money than sense.
- Groxx 2y agoI'm just glad they aren't making yet another 4-main-color ambiguous app icon to confuse with every other Google app.
- userbinator 2y agoGood thing I use Invidious instead.
- calmbonsai 2y agoIt's a testament to its UX insanity that so many alternatives: FreeTube (Invidious), YT-DLP, and entire ecosystems of Selenium scrapers exist.
- carlosjobim 2y ago> Linda: We want YouTube to be a welcoming space for our broad user base regardless of demographic, so we stayed away from colors that felt domineering, cold, or corporate. She's making hundreds of thousands of dollars, while most intelligent, honest, hard working people will never have any chance of owning a home or starting a family. That's all I could think of when reading this.
- andersa 2y agoI absolutely hate the gradient on the progress bar. When a video is full screened I'm no longer able to tell at a glance how far along the progress bar is because the gradient and the grey segment for buffering all fades together. This is so simple to not mess up. It worked before. Why did you change it??
- semiinfinitely 2y agosome product manager promo packet, thats why
- disqard 2y ago"Show me the incentives and I'll show you the outcome"
- reddalo 2y agoI agree. It's not even "change for the sake of changing". This is "worsening a product for the sake of my own promotion" (or for justifying my role).
- Aaron2222 2y agoI added this to my userstyle CSS for YouTube: /* Remove pink tint from end of progress bar */ .ytp-play-progress.ytp-swatch-background-color, .style-scope.ytd-thumbnail-overlay-resume-playback-renderer, .ytp-scrubber-button.ytp-swatch-background-color { background: var(--yt-spec-static-brand-red) !important; } Only does the video progress bar, but I might extend it to the handful of other things that use the gradient.
- joshdavham 2y ago> six people who helped spin the color wheel Oh. So this is what working at a big company would be like.
- thamer 2y ago> We change the product constantly — we’re talking over 1,700 updates per year! Good job, the new red is a huge improvement. Meanwhile the YouTube comment sections are still getting pummeled by bots, trying to scam viewers with fake crypto offerings (90%+ involving an "Elon Musk giveaway") or writing entire threads praising the great investment returns from a genius trader named "Mr Definitely A. RealName" who operates only on WhatsApp. Take a look at the comments under this video for example, all the references to AMZ6OP are for a scam crypto token that they pretend is being launched by Amazon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRd_wNHJG4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRd_wNHJG4o. I'm having doubts even reposting this link… please do not believe for a second that any of these claims are real. I guess changing red to red-ish magenta was apparently more important than addressing the widespread issues that have been plaguing YouTube for years.
- ripped_britches 2y agoSeems off topic. Do you actually think these designers have anything to do with spam detection?
- throwaway314155 2y ago> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRd_wNHJG4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRd_wNHJG4o It's somehow substantially less surprising to me that a video deep dive on cryptocurrency has these comments. Youtube should address it, but to a degree it's very much expected/comes with the territory. I don't follow cryptocurrency on YouTube (and in fact I made sure to "not interested" the link you posted, no offense). Anyway, I don't follow crypto and as such haven't had the issue you described. YouTube comments have been and always will be a cesspool. You should consider yourself luck that they actually improved quite a lot (at least in terms of toxicity and "stupidity") when the thumbs down button was nerfed.
- ziddoap 2y ago>I guess changing red to red-ish magenta was apparently more important than addressing the widespread issues that have been plaguing YouTube for years. I have a suspicion that the color and design folks are not the same people in charge of comment section spam/bots.
- ripped_britches 2y agoGreat read but the auto scroll to the top of site while I’m reading is super annoying
- parhamn 2y agoA bit off topic, but I noticed get this weird feeling when my cursor changes style. Something between a "let go of [free] my cursor" and "I wonder what secondary state I accidentally activated". It creates a weird sense of distress. Might just be me. Though I did find it cool how it inverts the underlying thing. I thought it was a text-clipping type css property but it seems to invert media too? Any ideas how thats done?
- matteason 2y agoIt's a div with a white background and mix-blend-mode: exclusion https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/mix-blend-mode https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/mix-blend-m... And yes I hate the cursor being messed with for no good reason. It also creates accessibility issues
- m3kw9 2y agoPOS page won’t render properly on safari, keeps bouncing me to the top and I cannot dismiss some illegible overlay
- getnormality 2y agoReminds me of the infamous Pepsi logo redesign: https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell-021109.pdf https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell...
- Matthyze 2y agoThat's insane. How did this ever get approved?
- Hamuko 2y agoThe gravitational pull of the Pepsi Universe drew them to it.
- calmbonsai 2y agoThanks for the flashback! I forget when this was first leaked, but over the years, this has become my go-to example for premium artisanal marketing bullshit.
- Kronopath 2y agoIt was leaked in 2009 in this Reddit comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7w0i2/comment/c07k9l7/ https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7w0i2/comment/c07k9l...
- dredmorbius 2y agoI'd seen that before and thought it was simply an exquisite parody. TIL SMH WTAF
- vekatimest 2y agoI still believe it's a high effort parody and have never been able to find proof otherwise, but I guess most people stop caring about truth if something is entertaining
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- CrimsonCape 2y agoAn ad interrupted my video today, it was Tom Hanks in a podcast talking about his prostate. The ad was (not so obviously) AI generated; both an AI clone of his voice and an AI-generated face-swap/ lip replacement. This seemed pretty surprising because it was fairly convincing. He looks like he is saying the dialog of the ad. It's surprising because there's no way the creator of the ad got Hanks' approval to use his likeness; meanwhile Youtube is profiting by selling the ad. Seems illegal, yet i'm forced to watch the garbage. The ad in general is part of a similar trend I've been seeing of these AI generated voices speaking fast about prostates or large eggplants (if you know what I mean) used with influencers' or podcasters' likenesses. I would never click on the garbage, and it's probably a scam anyway. I just scratch my head wondering if this massive company realizes the garbage they are forcing into our lives.
- skinkestek 2y ago> I just scratch my head wondering if this massive company realizes the garbage they are forcing into our lives. I know someone who works on the technical side of a national newspaper and he has been happy and encouraged me to continue when I pointed out scammy ads ("Japanese knives" and that sort of things). Seems they don't vet ads individually but can take down ads they become aware of. With Google however it seems to me money is all that matters.
- soared 2y agoAdvertising like that occurs in an open marketplace where pretty much anyone can place a bid. Some publishers have vendors that help and can set up rules, private marketplaces, etc. but effectively anyone can advertise on your site by default.
- spondyl 2y agoThis is probably the type of ad you ran into: https://www.404media.co/deepfake-youtube-ads-of-celebrities-promise-to-get-you-rock-hard/ https://www.404media.co/deepfake-youtube-ads-of-celebrities-...
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- calmbonsai 2y agoYT's user interface has been user hostile for over a decade. The secret to sanity is to never use YT's interface to consume YT content.
- xarope 2y agoI self-host invidious but in the last few months it has been struggling (slow buffering, often doesn't load saying media not recognized, etc, which I understand is YT being actively hostile). Any better options, or am I "holding it wrong"?
- snailmailman 2y agoYouTube has been really cracking down on alt clients and YouTube downloaders lately I think. I don’t even use one, and I see “you must log in to view this video” on videos shockingly frequently if I’m not logged in. Not even age restricted videos, they give that on any video at random now. I wouldn’t be surprised if soon it will require an account to watch at all, and they will just get to ban any accounts that use Adblock or download anything.
- kuylar 2y agoYouTube currently bans every IP address with a lot of guest traffic. They have also banned all datacenter IP ranges. Sometimes a "poToken" (a magic string that's used to 'validate' a client to prove that it's an official client) can be used to bypass this, but most of the time it's easier to just sign in with a Google account (which is also dangerous because YouTube has been banning accounts with unusual activity since last year[0]) Nowadays, most third party clients either use a browser/WebView to generate a poToken[1], or directly require a user to enter it for downloading[2] I feel like the parent commenters issue is related to this, and it looks like there's an ongoing PR to implement support for it[3] (Invidious already had supported poTokens, hovewer their implementation were setting a single token in the config, and AFAIK that method doesn't work anymore) [0] https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/10085 https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/10085 [1] https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe/pull/11955 https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe/pull/11955 [2] https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/wiki/PO-Token-Guide#guide-providing-a-po-token-manually-for-use-with-web-client https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/wiki/PO-Token-Guide#guide-p... [3] https://github.com/iv-org/invidious/pull/4985 https://github.com/iv-org/invidious/pull/4985
- rsktaker 2y agoThis, staples "rebranding", openai's font change... Is there really any benefit in these small changes? Certainly a good laugh out of it!
- Zanfa 2y agoIs this satire?
- NikkiA 2y agoNo, this is what designers are like.
- rglover 2y agoBefore they worry about color, they should worry about typographic principles. The rag on the headings and line length on paragraphs screams "we haven't done this before." Haunting that this is the work of six people (all being paid extraordinarily well, I'd imagine).
- nmeofthestate 2y agoWell I just want to say thanks to Robyn, Amy, Jessie, Linda, David, and Tom for these changes. In retrospect they probably played a big part in keeping me on YouTube watching videos. Money well spent!
- iqandjoke 2y agoGood thing is that at least they don't dare to change it to four colour one like the rest of Google product.
- omcnoe 2y agoPC GPU architecture has special handling for cursors to ensure there is as little latency as possible. GPU's have a special buffer and position register for the cursor. But for design.google they hijack the cursor rendering and this low latency goes out the window. First it's annoying that my expected cursor is replaced by some weird circle. But then that it's a laggy circle takes the cake. On a design website too. My computer has special optimizations to avoid cursor lag and your website broke them. And screw low vision users who need a larger cursor to see where it is. It also means you don't get the I bar when hovering over text making precisely copying text really annoying. When there is such an immediate design issue with your design website it kinda takes away from the message.
- andhuman 2y agoI watched the Steve Jobs interview when he described Windows as pedestrian. This blog can be described as ”high browery”.
- Jyaif 2y agoImmediately noticed and was annoyed by the cursor thing. What the hell are they smoking over there?
- kuschku 2y ago> But then that it's a laggy circle takes the cake. On a design website too. My computer has special optimizations to avoid cursor lag and your website broke them. The best part is that it doesn't even stop there. They could've used `cursor: url(...)` (see https://caniuse.com/mdn-css_properties_cursor_url https://caniuse.com/mdn-css_properties_cursor_url), which just gives your GPU a different bitmap and keeps all the advantages. This has the same latency as anywhere else on the desktop. Then there's a worse, but still tolerable method, where you force the browser to put the element onto a separate hardware layer and use only with transform: translate to position the element, which allows the element to be GPU accelerated. This has the same latency as cursors in video games and is perfectly tolerable. But they don't even use that. They actually move the DOM element in the layout, causing terrible latency. Unless you're in Chrome, the only browser where it somewhat works. I forcefully re-enabled the regular cursor on their site, and you can see just how far their cursor lags behind: https://i.k8r.eu/z2UuFQ.png https://i.k8r.eu/z2UuFQ.png I've also tried setting a custom cursor image the proper way, using their favicon as example, and the differency in latency even in Chrome is still ridiculous: https://i.k8r.eu/z5VNaw.png https://i.k8r.eu/z5VNaw.png
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- wodenokoto 2y ago3 times the page just scrolled to the top. Doesn’t seem like the UX team at google really knows anything about user experience but gradient colors keeps things fresh!
- ginvok 2y agoMake it windows 95 grey for all I care, just , for the love of whatever is sacred, improve the DOM to make it run smooth... I'm sure it is done to discourage you from using a browser and prefer their stupid app.
- geuis 2y agoAmazing. Yet another overly specialized mobile website. Can't read the article because every few seconds it just scrolls back to the top. I miss the days of html and little js. CssZenGarden always had it right. That's where I learned early modern css during that transition from web1 to 2. Whatever it's a new thing from Google that will make it more difficult to use whatever their product is. Just disregard that millions of people know how to use things as-is, but to justify their jobs people need to change things that are working ok, instead of trying to do minor changes to improve the experience for the people on the edge.
- profsummergig 2y agoBeginning of the end?
- lucasyvas 2y agoThis looks like it was a colossal waste of time.
- appleorchard46 2y agoOn the one hand, this seems like a completely nonsensical, pointless change for the sake of change that has no tangible effect on UX. On the other, something about the particular gradient used makes me deeply uncomfortable. Just obvious enough to catch your eye, but indistinct enough to make you feel like something's wrong with your eyes. A change that accomplishes nothing and a change that degrades the experience are in theory mutually exclusive, yet somehow this feels like both.
- ssivark 2y ago> On the other, something about the particular gradient used makes me deeply uncomfortable. Just obvious enough to catch your eye, but indistinct enough to make you feel like something's wrong with your eyes. Same; I personally find that bit of magenta very aggravating. If I had to try and articulate a logical explanation, it might be that if a cheap red pigment were printed in "analog" then it might easily "fade" to something pinkish. I know very little about "design" but I feel like red and magenta don't at all look pleasing together, and when they occur together my mind interprets some defect in the display mechanism and that subtly triggers anxiety and adds tension in my jaw. It's like I instinctively want to "rub the defect" off my screen, and it's aggravating that I cannot.
- zoltar 2y agoHere is a tampermonkey script to disable the youtube progress bar gradient: https://pastebin.com/WQATnsBU https://pastebin.com/WQATnsBU
- Aaron2222 2y agoI just added this to my userstyle CSS for YouTube: /* Remove pink tint from end of progress bar */ .ytp-play-progress.ytp-swatch-background-color, .style-scope.ytd-thumbnail-overlay-resume-playback-renderer, .ytp-scrubber-button.ytp-swatch-background-color { background: var(--yt-spec-static-brand-red) !important; }
- phito 2y agoSeems like the designers are trying to justify the utterly useless busy-work they've done here. That gradient is horrendous.
- arnklint 2y agoI love pages that scrolls to the top each three seconds!
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- tmd83 2y agoPeople do love trumping up what they have done. Developers feeling their project was absolutely essential when it might be more about NIH. But are any categories of people more used to trumping up their pointless work so high that any reasonable person would be too shameful to attach their name to the narrative? I guess PR people and politicians can compete with them or even take the first two places. This doesn't take away from what wondrous thing a designer can achieve. It's an enormously difficult thing to design something that's functional and pleasing and in some cases provide a mood (calm, fast, serious). This sort of bullshit from what I imagine uber expensive designs rebranding major corporations simply highlights the value and rarity of a good designer. I'm curious were they ever serious about their craft? Or the pursuit of promotion and glory took away their original ethos or they drunk the cool aid so much that they actually believe what they are saying?
- alkonaut 2y agoI don't mind continuous redesigns or small tweaks. I like it when products and apps I use subtly but constantly change. Form and function are one, it's not form over function if it's done well. But for YouTube I wish they realized that the majority of the design visitors experience is in the user created content. And they should start policing it. A good first step would be to stop having user selected thumbnails. Video titles should be under the thumbnail, not word-art added on by the creator. Then the video thumbnail itself should be just be a calm still image representation of the video. A video having a thumbnail with a person having an extreme facial expression overlaid with enormous neon text should just be throttled to get 0 views by hiding it from view.
- vekatimest 2y agoThat will never, ever happen, calm thumbnails lose them profit, but you'd like DeArrow https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dearrow/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dearrow/
- alkonaut 2y agoDepends on how many people just refuse to ever click such a video on principle, or never start a youtube subscription so long as the thumbnails are like that. All you need to wait for is for that group to be bigger than the group of people who mindlessly click the sensational ones. I'm holding my breath until it happens.
- dredmorbius 2y agoMarket response: Searching: <https://github.com/iv-org/invidious https://github.com/iv-org/invidious> Playing: <https://mpv.io/ https://mpv.io/> Also, For Anyone's Info, black-on-red is impossible to read on monochrome displays. As with e-ink. Lesson learned as an anti-copy tactic for uni note-taking services, back in the day. (Possibly not YouTube's core demographic, but a blog post shouldn't do that.)
- bilekas 2y ago> You’ll hear from six people who helped spin the color wheel: Maybe I'm being a bit mean to UI/UX in general, but does it really take 6 people to decide a slightly different shade of red ? I do appreciate good UI and UX but sometimes it does seem some of them are just trying to justify spending so much time and money on these (to me at least) banal things..
- eigenvalue 2y agoThis is a manifestation of Google drowning in excess headcount and unable to innovate because of endless fake make-work nonsense, where a team of highly compensated designers make the site less usable (gradient on the progress bar? Really?) and make changes for the sake of change, just to make it look like they are doing something.
- userbinator 2y agoThey are really in need of a good DOGE'ing (with the G standing for Google), but unfortunately that's highly unlikely to happen.
- lucraft 2y agoAm I right that this article nowhere compares against the current red or even has anything with the current red in it, anywhere? Is that a policy choice there? They don't want to.. not be future looking or something? I don't really get why. It made the article frustrating to read
- slazaro 2y agoI suspect it's because they don't want you to focus on the past, only the present. Or maybe it's because it would either highlight how irrelevant the change is, or how annoying the new one is.
- carstenhag 2y agoApparently it takes time to change a color, because in Germany we still have the old red. Bonus: There's already Telekom, which bases its entire Magenta brand about... the color Magenta.
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- mrguyorama 2y agoWhen I was in college just a decade ago, my rather old computer science professor had an entire bookshelf of books: A reference library. Half of this reference library was books on UI design and UX best practices and how to make human friendly and human-centric interfaces. This hard-won knowledge was the result of decades of observation by groups like the entire armed forces of the US on how to make systems that a 20 year old non-expert in a stressful situation can reliably use. It was the result of sticking people in front of computers and watching them make mistakes and figuring out what they intended to do and happen, so we could understand how people interpret an interface, and we used this research to make interfaces more discoverable and human-friendly. It lead to things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law . All this work was used heavily for example in Windows 95 to make an interface that grandma would be able to use. This research is why my mother was able to eagerly utilize computers for her work with minimal training. But fuck all that I guess. Why base UI and UX on empirical study when you can just make bad faith A/B testing prove whatever you want and just make a red more magenta because your company makes a billion dollars per employee and has a captured market and hasn't had to actually build anything useful in decades.
- quitit 2y ago> we created a dynamic red-to-magenta gradient. For the second color, orange and yellow were strong contenders, but magenta felt like the most natural pairing with our new red. Interestingly, magenta doesn't often appear in the natural world, so it symbolizes the imagination and evolution that YouTube embodies. We also placed the gradient at a 45-degree angle with magenta on the right, signifying forward movement. I dislike these kinds of lofty rationales, especially when there are more pragmatic reasons available. They give license to mock the design industry as some kind of bullshit machine; attempting to shoehorn more meaning into banal executions. Design serves a necessary role in communication. I thought we collectively got over "pepsi breathtaking design strategy" style rationales? I am a strong proponent of iterative design, and it's my expectation that this change is not a stepping stone that leads somewhere else, it'll be fashion for fashion-sake to impart a temporary sense of newness before being abandoned for the next web gimmick down the line. If I were to have a stab at the direction it would be: We were tasked with making a change, not because we have a new direction or motive, but simply for newness. We understand that the company is entirely risk-averse with its largest brands and also experienced enough to understand that noticeable changes attract scrutiny. We've opted to hop on the bandwagon of adding a subtle gleam to our logo because it's minor enough that without this blog post you probably wouldn't have noticed it, and if there was a hint of negative push-back we could easily abandon the design entirely without much visual change.
- ivanjermakov 2y agoImmediately disabled it with Stylus FF addon, I don't see any reason for that progress bar gradient. It's subtle enough to look like a styling defect.
- lofaszvanitt 2y agoJesus, fix chrome so the selectable theme colors wouldn't look like a triplegendered person's boudoir. Meaning: fuk these pastel colors. Youtube looks and feels the same, actually it got worse, in the last 10 years.
- TheUnhinged 2y agoA lot of people suggesting paying for Premium. Value for money arguments aside, I see a huge problem here: sharing even more data (personal financial information) with Google. I, personally, have zero trust in Google. That’s a company that went from “Don’t be evil” to “Be as evil as needed as long as it’s profitable.”