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You're assuming that turning off ADP in the U.K. is sufficient to appease the British Government. The Investigatory Powers Act can also be interpreted to give t
by matthewdgreen 2y ago
You're assuming that turning off ADP in the U.K. is sufficient to appease the British Government. The Investigatory Powers Act can also be interpreted to give the U.K. the right to ask for encrypted data from users outside of the U.K. (see Apple making this exact point in a filing here [1].) Turning off ADP in the U.K. doesn't end the controversy if that's what's at stake.
[1] https://bsky.app/profile/matthewdgreen.bsky.social/post/3lhlll4ckus2o https://bsky.app/profile/matthewdgreen.bsky.social/post/3lhl...
- Spoom 2y agoI mean, "Apple refuses to hand over private data to government at cost of UK business" is a pretty good headline.
- lenerdenator 2y agoGive me that sort of commitment to privacy and translucent colorful cases for future Macs and Tim Apple's got my money for the next five years at least.
- snapcaster 2y agoYes, this would be something i would love to read
- docmars 2y agoGive Apple a big enough incentive to negotiate with and they may very well cave. If I've learned anything about corporations, it's that money and incentives always speak louder than their purported values.
- convolvatron 2y agothis isn't apple weighing ethics against revenue. this is apple being forced to decide how much their pro-privacy marketing is really getting them in the market.
- gessha 2y agoGiven that privacy is why my friends and I have iPhones, Apple will lose a lot of users and developers if they go back on privacy in any way.
- throwaway48476 2y agoApple doesn't give their Chinese customers any privacy.
- mycall 2y agoLinux based smartphones will sell like crazy at that point.
- gessha 2y agoThat’s the utopia that I want to live in lol but in reality, I think GrapheneOS will pick up more users.
- collyw 2y agoAndroid are technically linux based. I bought the Ubuntu phone. The phone was nice, but there were bareley any apps, and the maps app only worked online, which was useless outside of my home country. A dissapointment overall.
- hackernewds 2y agoI will stop using a service or hardware that could grant peaking rights into my folders to a possible administration like the one currently in the US. On day 1, zero hesitation
- ForHackernews 2y agoI have bad news for you...
- TechnicalVault 2y agoIt creates a nasty precedent doesn't it? If Apple can provide the UK government with foreign data, what's to stop Russia or China making them provide data on UK minister's phones, or more likely dissidents in exile? I can't see on what basis the government thinks they're going to get to be exceptional here?
- 8338550bff96 2y agoAt what point is this just extortionary cash grab from U.S. tech companies? Want to fund some expensive grand program? Find a reason to fine U.S. companies.
- eastbound 2y agoWhy not. Their hegemony is used as a weapon of war, since 1998 when Microsoft was condemned-but-not-penalized for its monopoly. Make it costly for USA to spy & conquer.
- 8338550bff96 2y agoLet us see how that works out for you
- aunty_helen 2y agoWhy are you using Russia and China as examples of the bad guys here. They're not asking for global access to everyones data, the UK is. The UK are the bad guys.
- throwaway48476 2y agoDPRUK
- outside1234 2y agoHe is just trying to show how it would feel if the shoe was on the other foot.
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- arghwhat 2y agoThey might have to settle for it. The power of a government is not equal to what legislation they pass - they are heavily limited by the economic and publicity consequences of decisions. As such, any outcome where this is enforced will be a compromise.
- gist 2y agoGuess what? Trump will (hopefully) come to the rescue here. Don't laugh at that. I'd imagine he will be helpful possibly even with some of the EU rules such as in particular the one which makes even small US companies liable (as I recal) for notifying users of cookies on a website.
- coolspot 2y agoTim Apple has been on inauguration, so very possible.
- anonym29 2y agoIs calling him Tim Apple some sort of inside joke I'm out of the loop on? We don't call Elon "Elon Tesla" or Satya "Satya Microsoft".
- hackeman300 2y agoThe president has called him that on occasion
- anonym29 2y agoTIL. Thank you!
- genewitch 2y agoOnce, and in context it was "Tim [at] Apple", because he loves to name drop like that." Any future mentions of Tim Apple by the president are tongue in cheek.
- gist 2y agoProbably correct for OP to present as "Tim Apple" (hence giving some kind of hint to reflect on)
- niemandhier 2y agoThat’s probably the reason apple is resisting. They are currently certified as moderately trust worthy for government operations in Germany. Giving in would invalidate that. https://support.apple.com/en-bh/guide/certifications/apc37dae516c6/web https://support.apple.com/en-bh/guide/certifications/apc37da...
- ExoticPearTree 2y agoIf Apple sticks to their guns, they can just stop doing business in the UK. And the UK government will have zero rights to demand anything from Apple.
- bmelton 2y agoIn China, Apple limits end to end encryption and stores user data on state-owned servers. The Chinese app stores censors apps like the New York Times and Washington Post, disallows privacy apps like Signal, or any VPN that might bypass the great firewall. I think the odds that they quit trying to earn the ~$100B annual revenues they get from the UK over this is closer to zero than 1
- IshKebab 2y agoThey obviously don't care about privacy enough to fully withdraw from the UK! That would be insane.
- kurikuri 2y agoIt’s odd, I wonder how that will interact with apple’s existing FIPS 140-2/3 certifications.