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I'm assuming at this point refusing will be a badge of honour but one which is terminal for federal funding, in this 4 year term if not longer. You would need v
by ggm 2y ago
I'm assuming at this point refusing will be a badge of honour but one which is terminal for federal funding, in this 4 year term if not longer. You would need very high confidence in your future career trajectory to do that.
We had a mini storm over government censorship of CSIRO science in Australia and it got pretty ugly, but this is much uglier.
If they do the same for NSF, earth sciences, DoE and AGW it's going to be pretty nasty.
I don't even have to agree with the science. This kind of mass bad-topic-ban is really unhelpful. I wonder if the editorial boards are also going to put up a fight? I can imagine some kind of "retracted because of Trump policy, not because the peer review process asked for it" markers.
Genetics, and Lysenkoism comes to mind. A stain on soviet science which echoed down the years.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoIf they do give in though, they might face consequences after Trump’s term. The Supreme Court should definitely chime in quickly here, although the court is stacked way too heavily with conservatives who open to Trump’s new interpretation of the constitution.
- ggm 2y agoHolding back science publication for national security is pretty well understood. I'd be amazed if the funding T&C doesn't have weasel words back to the sixties about requiring permission from the feds to publish, even if it was implicitly assumed most of the time.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoRetraction of previous work for political reasons is a new thing.
- Fomite 2y agoFunder publishing requirements are actually one of the few contractual things my university usually refuses to accept.
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- nine_k 2y agoTrump is not exactly young. President Biden also hoped for a next term.
- scrollaway 2y agoYou have a whole government getting dismantled, with purpose. I wouldn’t bet on Trump getting reelected or extending his term — but the bigger question is: what will be left at the end of it? It’s not impossible the very idea of a “US presidency” radically changes by 2028.
- matwood 2y agoWe’ll know which way the wind is blowing by the midterms. If the plan is to never cede power again it will also have to be done by then. Trump is speed running the US to a recession which bodes well for 2026 assuming they happen.
- AlecSchueler 2y agoIf the recession is heavy enough that people take to the streets he can declare martial law.
- nradov 2y agoI think this move by the administration is a bad idea but it's not necessarily illegal. Which federal law or Constitution article do you think is being broken here?
- jmount 2y agoI, unfortunately, do not anticipate much if any opposition from those receiving funding. Hope I am wrong.
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- bagels 2y agoAnything related to climate science or vaccines is next. Disgusting.
- defrost 2y agoIt's hard to keep up I know, deleting climate science was 24 hours ago: Trump orders USDA to take down websites referencing climate crisis https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42896378 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42896378 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/31/trump-order-usda-websites-climate-crisis https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/31/trump-order-...
- ggm 2y agoThanks. I think. Maybe we can move the statue of Einstein in DC north for a bit.
- snailmailstare 2y agoWhy hold back? They need to choreograph some Einsteinfall events.
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