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Nvidia releases its own brand of world models
- thih9 2y ago> Nvidia wouldn’t say where this training data came from, but at least one report — and lawsuit — alleges that the company trained on copyrighted YouTube videos without permission. Under the EU's AI act[1] there is now a legal obligation to disclose the source of the training data. Is this correct then that either the models cannot be used in the EU, or we'll get to know where the training data came from? [1]: https://oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/en/procedure-file?reference=2021/0106(COD) https://oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/en/procedure-fil... - "General-purpose AI systems, and the GPAI models such as ChatGPT they are based on, must meet certain transparency requirements including compliance with EU copyright law and publishing detailed summaries of the content used for training."
- betimsl 2y agoNo problem. If you are in EU, you upload your input to a server located in US, that way EU law can watch you do that.
- dns_snek 2y ago> This Regulation applies to: > (a) providers placing on the market or putting into service AI systems or placing on the market general-purpose AI models in the Union, irrespective of whether those providers are established or located within the Union or in a third country;
- redeux 2y agoThat would not work. It's the company who's responsible for compliance with EU laws and regulations in this case, not the user. So, if the company allows EU users they are de facto operating in the EU and thus out of compliance with the training data transparency law cited above.
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- prosunpraiser 2y agoUnfortunately the solution is quite simple - don’t release in EU.
- esperent 2y agoPeople keep saying this, but I've yet to see a company follow through.
- mewpmewp2 2y agoI am from EU and we have been getting a lot of things much later and having to use VPNs to get past this. Sometimes even a VPN is not enough since we need US phone number etc. Couldn't get access to Claude and OpenAI advanced voice mode for a long time. It feels very frustrating since others can already start building with cutting edge things, giving them a huge advantage.
- Sharlin 2y agoYes, unfortunately in this world not being "ethically constrained" can give you a big advantage. Still doesn't mean one should not strive to do the right thing.
- weird-eye-issue 2y agoIt is subjective.
- elif 2y agoIf your ethics is innately tied to the nuance of fringe intellectual property law in a brand new domain, it may be time to relax some things That is to say, a lax perspective of intellectual property law can be less or more ethical than one which supports the undeterred corporate collation of powers behind those laws. Those in control do not have a monopoly on ethical goodness.
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- actionfromafar 2y agoWhat stops Nvidia from cutting out the middlemen? They have the chips.
- tonyedgecombe 2y agoThere is probably more money to be made selling the tools.
- skyyler 2y agoI wonder if any shovel manufacturers invested into mining during the gold rush...
- carbondating 2y agoThen they would quickly discover that their moat isn't as strong as people think it is.
- jeanlucas 2y agoThey kinda need to do it to justify their price
- Findeton 2y agoThey would have to pay for them.
- redrove 2y agoThere’s no need to cut them out, the symbiosis is working perfectly.
- falcor84 2y agoI don't think we can know about the long term, but I would assume that in the short-medium term, Nvidia can make a lot more money by continuing to sell its cards, where it's almost a monopoly, rather than competing in the overcrowded product space.
- bojangleslover 2y agohttps://ngc.nvidia.com/ https://ngc.nvidia.com/
- _0ffh 2y agoWhy go to techcrunch and not directly to their only source of information on this? There are also some actual technical details there. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/ai/cosmos/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/ai/cosmos/
- karolist 2y agoTechcrunch didn't omit the lawsuit information which alleges Nvidia farmed YouTube to train this, I found this more useful than pure marketing spin on nvidia.com.
- resource_waste 2y agoThe AI race is one of the most impressive examples of Capitalism making the market efficient. Or at least I've witnessed in my life. We went from Google having complete control. To Open AI releasing GPT2 which really inspired a lot of people to try it. Then GPT3+ convinced the world to try it. After that, Gemini, LLaMa, every type of fine-tune... The noteworthy thing is that LLaMA was good enough that ChatGPT had competition. Then within 1 year of that, we have a dozen companies with models that are good enough. The competition has been the best type of brutal.
- jsheard 2y agoCan it really be called efficient in the capitalist sense until they figure out how to actually turn this stuff into a viable business? Apparently OpenAI is even losing money on the new $200/month tier. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sam-altman-says-losing-money-080700756.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sam-altman-says-losing-money-...
- bberenberg 2y agoI believe they’re profitable on all unit economics other than the $200/month tier. The users who opt into this are the absolute “highest” users so you end up with an adverse selection issue with this plan.
- jsheard 2y agoThat doesn't seem to gel with the fact that they lost $5 billion overall last year, mostly before the $200 tier was even available.
- pottertheotter 2y agoThey said profitable unit economics, not profitable as a company.
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- aithrowawaycomm 2y agoI have given up on AI folks using a scientific definition of “world model,” yet I am still amazed at how viciously dishonest NVIDIA is being here: “Cosmos learns just like people learn,” the spokesperson said. “To help Cosmos learn, we gathered data from a variety of public and private sources and are confident our use of data is consistent with both the letter and spirit of the law. Facts about how the world works — which are what the Cosmos models learn — are not copyrightable or subject to the control of any individual author or company.” Cosmos definitely does not learn facts about how the world works! This is just a ridiculous lie. It accumulates a bunch of data hopefully demonstrating how the world works, and hopefully some facts fall out of it. Given that this failed completely for Sora, which obviously knows nothing about physics, I am confident that Cosmos also knows nothing. It has no facts, just data. And unless they somehow integrated touch sensors it doesn’t even get physical data the same way toddlers do. So “learns just like people learn” is also a lie. Some AI hype is people getting ahead of themselves and believing their own marketing. But here NVIDIA is just lying their asses off, presumably to stoke investor hype, but also because they’re trying to monetize a bunch of copyrighted data they stole. These are bad people.
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