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I want legacy EU/US automakers to pull their heads out of their a* and compete, but anyone who thinks BYD is succeeding only on CCP support is a clown. It's a
by bpodgursky 2y ago
I want legacy EU/US automakers to pull their heads out of their a* and compete, but anyone who thinks BYD is succeeding only on CCP support is a clown. It's a real company that's brutally demolishing the competition.
(I have a Tesla, but looking at the market, my next car might be a BYD minivan unless someone finally BUILDS A DOMESTIC FULL EV MINIVAN FFS).
- SoftTalker 2y agoDrag coefficient probably makes a minivan EV with good range quite difficult.
- bee_rider 2y agoIs that true? They are big but seem naturally… round. Teardrop-y.
- bpodgursky 2y agoThere's an EV Hummer... they can figure it out.
- SoftTalker 2y agoYeah, I did some cursory research and the reason most claimed is that minivans are simply not that popular. But neither are Hummers, yes they appeal to some people but you really don't see a lot of them out on the road.
- srockets 2y agoMinivans are extremely popular in the US, when lifted and with the roof removed from the back.
- prmoustache 2y agoI wouldn't call it mini though.
- srockets 2y agoThe hauling capacity is equivalent to a minivan, even if the footprint is bigger.
- _ea1k 2y agoYeah, it'd likely need 150kwh or so. That'd probably make it a $70k product, and I doubt the market for $70k minivans is huge. Then again, that is about the price of the id.buzz and some find it appealing with its much smaller pack.
- est 2y agoLiAuto Mega had drag coefficient of just 0.215 cd
- chii 2y ago> BYD is succeeding only on CCP support is a clown. their success is an outcome of a brutal competition in the past, orchestrated by the CCP. They're now obviously no longer "helped" by the CCP, but this company (and other companies, which might've died already) were definitely recipients of state support in the early days. The current crop of ICE car manufacturers in the west did not see it coming, and assumed they'd always have a dominant position. They deserve to lose. However, in the event of a war, this sort of loss would've had huge impact on the industrial capacity of the US, and might directly lead to a loss. The loss of industrial capacity for ship building in the US is already evident. Back in WW2, it's due to the US's shipbuilding (look up liberty ships) that allowed the logistics to sustain the war and ultimately win. It's due to having the car factories being available to convert to tank factories, that allowed the US to produce the masses of tanks and trucks and such required to sustain the war. So if a WW2 scenario happens today, the US will not have such options any more. With the exception of perhaps, air power. But surely, china is not only encroaching but likely will succeed in having a domestic plane manufacturing base. Sanctions, and export restrictions will not help. Tarriffs is only going to make cheap goods more expensive, but will not bring the manufacturing back.
- fastball 2y agoIf tariffs don't bring domestic manufacturing back, what will?
- pm90 2y agoA sane industrial policy.
- fastball 2y agoCould you clarify further? "Sane" is very subjectively defined.
- codedokode 2y agoI think you should not sell advanced industrial equipment, electronic parts and computers to everyone willing to pay because they can be used to produce things (including things that shoot, fly and explode). Sell only what can be used for entertainment, not for manufacturing. For example, make an export version of GPU that has very poor precision and makes mistakes in calculations. Nobody notices if the pixels in a game are colored little wrong, but you cannot do science on such a GPU. Also restrict export of scientific data. Keep monopoly on manufacturing things.
- gedy 2y ago> I want legacy EU/US automakers to pull their heads out of their a* and compete Honestly, what can they do? Labor is very expensive here, and would be loads of pushback for a fully automated assembly line. Plus safety, taxes, and other regulations would push the price up.
- chefandy 2y agoIsn’t most of the manufacturing already done in countries with far cheaper labor costs? It seems like a design problem, to me.
- kube-system 2y agoThe big 3 don't outsource to anywhere much cheaper than Canada and Mexico for most of the stuff they sell here.
- chefandy 2y agoMexico is a lot cheaper though, no?
- bpodgursky 2y agoUS manufacturers can get within 20% cost difference which tariffs can ameliorate. That's fine. A few extra environmental and labor protections won't break everything. TSMC managed it. But right now it's... 100% or 200%, or infinity since they simply have no models for some form factors. That's just rank incompetence.
- yard2010 2y agoHe means "treat workers like slaves, deny basic human rights, etc." if I'm not mistaken.
- est 2y ago> Labor is very expensive here Sandy Munro said labor counts 10%~15% of the cost. It's the labor efficiency that matters.
- toast0 2y ago> BUILDS A DOMESTIC FULL EV MINIVAN FFS Well there's the VW, but it's not domestic (built in Germany). The minivan segment is shrinking again though. Sales have been dropping and most of the work van models from established companies have been cancelled. Could be room for a new entrant to make a van that people want to buy?
- CalRobert 2y agoAny thoughts on the vw id van? I was looking at one before we moved somewhere we don’t need a car
- petre 2y agoToo much hype around it. It's a subpar van experience as in not quite practical, but an ok family car, drives very nicely. See: https://www.topgear.com/long-term-car-reviews/volkswagen/id-buzz/report-6 https://www.topgear.com/long-term-car-reviews/volkswagen/id-...