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Why dumb TV's won't make a comeback --- price. Manufacturers make recurring revenue by invading the privacy of "dumb" users with their "smart" TVs. It's proba
by jqpabc123 2y ago
Why dumb TV's won't make a comeback --- price.
Manufacturers make recurring revenue by invading the privacy of "dumb" users with their "smart" TVs.
It's probably only a matter of time before TV manufacturers establish their own ad networks.
Why? Because they can. They have the ability to fully control *their* "smart TV" (that you paid for) and show you ads that they control --- independent of any programming.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/12/tcl-tvs-will-use-films-made-with-generative-ai-to-push-targeted-ads/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/12/tcl-tvs-will-use-fil...
- jszymborski 2y agoRegulation could always fix this.
- jqpabc123 2y agoLike regulation has fixed privacy invasion on the internet?
- eddd-ddde 2y agoIt could. It has all the power.
- permo-w 2y agoin Europe it's gone a long way towards that
- raron 2y agoThe EU couldn't fix the EU-US privacy framework even for the third try, and when the previous one have been invalidated by the CJEU, nobody bat an eye and continued to do the same thing. GDPR is simply ignored by any bigger US company, it took 5 years for NOYB to facebook get fined which was less than 0.3% of their income, basically a small tax, not a huge fine. Also GDPR is full of inconsistency (face biometric data is special data, but a photo of your face from what anybody can get the biometric data is not) and loopholes (required by law, legitimate interest). They did something, but I wouldn't call that "a long way".
- zendist 2y agoThis is false. GDPR is not ignored, I can tell you that much.
- notyourwork 2y agoAnother checking in from the my company was and continues to be effected by GDPR.
- danpalmer 2y ago> GDPR is simply ignored by any bigger US company I work for a very large US company and can assure you that GDPR is something we pay a lot of attention to. This isn't the opinion of my employer, but my personal experience is that the big players take it seriously and meet and exceed all their obligations because it's too risky not to, and they have the necessary local legal teams to understand the law as best as is possible. I think it's the small/medium companies who are where most of the issues are. Small companies write a non-legalese privacy policy because they think that's better for their users, but in fact have written something legally meaningless that gives their users no protections. Some small companies just don't know their obligations because they think they won't apply as they're not in the EU. Then there are the companies who are big enough to know better, but small enough to know they can get away with it because all the scrutiny goes to big tech. I was asked by a medium sized advertising network to implement a keylogger on our website at my previous company so that the network could enforce their revenue sharing by detecting all user data input into our site and match it against their records. I laughed them out of the room, but they made it very clear this was how everyone did it.
- raron 2y agoOkay, with "any bigger US company" I thought mostly about Facebook and similar companies, of which many does continuously break GDPR rules even after many decisions and fines (simply because their business model is incompatible with privacy / data protection). But it is still true, that nothing happened after the Schrems II judgment, and many-many companies continued to transfer personal data to providers affected by FISA.
- pionaryon 2y agoReally? They've been working hard on a mass surveillance legislation (which would outlaw encryption) for a couple years now, it was thankfully voted down in 2023 because of a successful public outcry, but that didn't stop these gestapo assholes, they're gonna "reword it" and keep pushing it and eventually the public will have fatigued and stopped caring and it will go through.
- permo-w 2y agoso a privacy-invading law was voted down because of public sentiment and this is the system failing to work?
- PittleyDunkin 2y agoHave we tried? I just see politicians sitting on their hands while holding stock in tech companies and feigning helplessness and ignorance.
- hsbauauvhabzb 2y agoI think your second statement answers your own question.
- lm28469 2y agoI mean if that how you view the world: seat belts didn't fix road deaths and laws didn't fix murders
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- BLKNSLVR 2y agoAre you from the future? What regulation? No one has even tried.
- mcbutterbunz 2y agoRegulation can prevent the fix as well.
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- unethical_ban 2y agoYou said that regulation is never a solution to any problem. That is objectively false. Go swim in the Hudson river in 1960.
- from-nibly 2y agoSo can a wish on a monkey's paw.
- bluGill 2y agoThere will always beeoptions without. Some tvs are used in industrial settings to show safety information. If someone dies and the tv was, showing ads instead of safety information there will be big lawsuits.
- g-b-r 2y agoYeah, they just cost a ten times more
- NoMoreNicksLeft 2y agoIn some cases, those places buy non-retail "kiosk" televisions. They're hard to search for on the manufacturer sites.
- 71bw 2y ago> non-retail "kiosk" televisions The more correct term would be Digital Signage displays, eg. [1] - they often run on high voltages though so it's better to be sure when screwing around with them [1] https://www.samsung.com/us/business/displays/ https://www.samsung.com/us/business/displays/
- jaredhallen 2y agoI've been buying the Samsung QB series at work lately. They're advertised as signage, and do function in more or less "dumb" mode - they work fine with no network connection. But they do run Tizen OS, which is less dumb than I'd like. Also worth mentioning that they're real nice, but also pretty spendy.
- akvadrako 2y agoThose usually have shit color accuracy and high black levels, but they are bright.
- account42 2y agoThere are OLED digital signage displays, which won't have any issue with black levels. Colors might need calibrating but I doubt they use different panels for these from equivalent consumer TVs.
- lazycouchpotato 2y agoIt's why Walmart purchased Vizio for $2.3 billion. https://www.axios.com/2024/02/26/why-walmart-bought-vizio https://www.axios.com/2024/02/26/why-walmart-bought-vizio
- bombcar 2y agoAmusingly enough, if you buy a Visio, reject the agreement during setup - it turns into a dumb TV.
- freedomben 2y agoCan anyone confirm this? If this is true, this is huge news and highly consequential
- DoingIsLearning 2y ago> Why dumb TV's won't make a comeback --- price. I'm cool with it provided I can use it as a very high quality HDMI display. Then I just got a nicely discounted product. My worry is if they demand connectivity in order to work as a display. Or worse come with some kind of LTE transceiver to phone home then we're in trouble.
- pixelatedindex 2y agoUnfortunately, only a matter of time.
- jqpabc123 2y agoI'm cool with it provided I can use it as a very high quality HDMI display. Most will work --- but not always *conveniently*. On power up, a lot them will launch into setup if connectivity is not configured. Some may actually store/retrieve the TV configuration in their cloud.
- AtlasBarfed 2y agoI'm wondering if HDCP is paradoxically to the rescue here? So the main concern with keeping it in dumb mode I would think is that they could still snoop in on your streams through the plain old HDMI port. But if the HDMI is encrypted..... With their antipiracy standard .... God that would be amazing. Also, I'm kind of surprised there isn't a raspberry pi open source project that does what those 20$ Roku fobs do. Finally ... It kind of shows that hardware hacking is going downhill that there isn't a replacement os for the major brands of smart TVs. It's possible they've locked that down, but also the price points are so low you'd think they don't have the money to keep them out.
- ryukoposting 2y agoFor what it's worth, my LG TV (which is a few years old, to be fair) has never once showed up in my pi-hole's logs. We use an external box for the "smart" stuff, and the TV itself isn't up to any shenanigans as far as I can tell.
- JeremyNT 2y agoI have a Samsung TV similarly hobbled. I simply never gave it a network connection and it works fine. For now at least this really isn't an issue. If and when these companies ever start requiring a network connection it's a different story.
- m463 2y agopi-hole uses DNS, and will give out fake ip addresses based on the name lookup. Unfortunately it is NOT a firewall. Any device can easily do its own DNS like DoH (dns over https), nnot involve pihole in name lookups, and send package directly to the destination ip address.
- mbreese 2y agoI used to have a rule on my firewall to redirect all internal 53/udp dns traffic to my local DNS server for just this reason. But with DoH, there’s really not much one can do to ensure a device is behaving without completely null routing that device.
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- psadauskas 2y agoI have an entirely separate VLAN network in my house for "appliances". Any access to the internet from that network has to be explicitly whitelisted in my router.
- Sateeshm 2y agoI saw an ad on the home menu on my samsung tv. Shit is ridiculous
- mnky9800n 2y agothis is how i learned that taylor swift had a birthday recently. my samsung television advertised it to me on the ad banner that goes across the top third of the home screen of the television.
- account42 2y agoAnd you didn't return the TV after that? Why would you accept that kind of customer abuse?