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Yi Peng 3 crossed both cables C-Lion 1 and BSC at times matching when they broke
- 01100011 2y agoTitle could be a lot more descriptive. Your average reader might scroll on by because that title makes no sense without context.
- frontalier 2y ago(you are here)
- fennecfoxy 2y agoYeah, it took reading a few of the comments for me to understand that this is about a Chinese ship having crossed two undersea fibre cables around the time that those cables broke. At first I thought it may have been about bad USB cables with crossed-over/miswired pairs or something
- Hamuko 2y agoYi Peng 3 has been stopped in the Kattegat with Danish navy ships around it for about 11 hours now. Currently HDMS Søløven is anchored right next to it. HDMS Hvidbjørnen was also not too far away before its signal went dark.
- nik_alberta 2y agoYI PENG 3 (IMO: 9224984) is a Bulk Carrier and is sailing under the flag of China. Her length overall (LOA) is 225 meters and her width is 32.3 meters. Source: https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:213234/mmsi:414270000/imo:9224984/vessel:YI_PENG_3 https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:21...
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- nabla9 2y agoOctober 2023 there was similar incident where Chinese cargo ship cut Balticonnector cable and EE-S1 cable. Chip named 'Newnew Polar Bear' under Chinese flag and Chinese company Hainan Xin Xin Yang Shipping Co, Ltd. (aka Torgmoll) with CEO named Yelena V. Maksimova, drags anchor in the seabed cutting cables. Chinese investigation claims storm was the reason, but there was no storm, just normal windy autumn weather. The ship just lowered one anchor and dragged it with engines running long time across the seabed until the anchor broke. These things happen sometimes, ship anchors sometimes damage cables, but not this often and without serious problems in the ship. Russians are attempting plausible deniability.
- spongebobstoes 2y agoWhat are some concrete reasons why someone would want to damage these cables? Who benefits?
- Mistletoe 2y agoIt doesn’t even really stop anything right? Communications just have to route around it and use other cables and satellites. It just seems like Russia wants to be annoying.
- Hamuko 2y agoDestroying the gas pipeline between Estonia and Finland did take it out for like six months. I think it may have had some negative impact on Estonian electricity prices during that time.
- pvaldes 2y agoCould this disturb crypto operations in any way?
- Mistletoe 2y agoNot really. If the internet works, sending and using crypto works and it doesn’t use much bandwidth.
- a1o 2y agoC-Lion -> Sea Lion, but not the IDE from JetBrains.
- halblalaa 2y ago[flagged]
- threeseed 2y agoAnd 4 days ago a Russian spy ship was escorted out of Irish waters: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/16/russian-spy-ship-escorted-away-from-internet-cables-in-irish-sea https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/16/russian-spy-sh... So definitely seems like a coordinated attempt to destabilise Europe ahead of anticipated peace talks early next year.
- pcardoso 2y agoSame in Portugal https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2024-11-18/russian-ships-off-portuguese-coast-increasingly-intense/93622 https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2024-11-18/russian-ship...
- jacknews 2y agoSo how long ago were US long-range missiles used to attack Russia? Because that's what seems to be claimed here, that Russia are retaliating for that. How long does it take a ship to travel to a 'suspicious' site like this? versus, how long does it take to intercept the nearest Russian ship, and escort it away as a spy ship and 'potential saboteur'?
- p2detar 2y agoThe info that the Biden administration would greenlight this, should have been known in Moscow for weeks now. I assume the news arrive later only for us - the public.
- jacknews 2y agoSo you're saying the spy-saboteur ships have been hanging around, or en route to sensitive areas for weeks, waiting for this to drop? But only now are they being very publicly outed and moved on?
- soco 2y ago"Russian mission installs more ‘spy’ antennas in Geneva, Swiss TV report claims" https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/foreign-affairs/russian-mission-installs-more-spy-antennas-in-geneva-claims-swiss-tv-report/88205978 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/foreign-affairs/russian-mission...
- HelloNurse 2y agoCrowdsourced military intelligence offers some hope for the future.
- dfadsadsf 2y agoIt could be false flag operation to create pretext for NATO/EU to block shipping to Russian ports in Baltic Sea. Similar to Nordstream destruction in 2022 it could have been either Ukrainians or CIA/NSA. This could be last attempt by current US administration elements to create leverage for the Ukraine before negotiations start.
- mnky9800n 2y agowhat possible reason would nato need to blockade russian ports that doesnt already exist?
- maxglute 2y agoBlockade is legal act of war. RU at war with UKR, not NATO, and vice versa. Hence NATO would need casus belli of RU attacking NATO or NATO owned infra to declare blockade (read: declare war on RU).
- preisschild 2y agoRussia is already assassinating and sabotaging in NATO countries, which are legal acts of war too.
- maxglute 2y agoThey're more grey-zone, since many countries do low level hostilities below threshold of war, which is different end of spectrum than blockade that's closer to unambiguous open warfare.
- mnky9800n 2y agoWhy is a state killing someone located on foreign lands for political reasons not defined as an act of war?
- mnky9800n 2y agothink of being kura-murza or yashin, both in jail for being political dissidents, only to find our you are being exchanged evil people you are fighting against.
- trhway 2y ago>Last ports: Murmansk - Port Said - Luga Bay (never docked, Ust-Luga, Russia) All the way to Luga and decided to not dock. Large cargo ship pleasure wandering the sea like a yacht.
- sedan_baklazhan 2y agoSo Two Minutes Of Hate towards Russia is over in this aspect? Very Orwellish.
- myrmidon 2y agoWhat are you even talking about? Are you suggesting that "the West" has a too negative public opinion of Russia or China? I would argue that interactions/treatment specifically toward Russia, especially by European nations in the last 20 years, was actually too positive and naive-- specifically because unlike Europe, Russia definitely did not leave its imperialistic ambitions behind, and treating/trading with it as a friendly somewhat flawed democracy during those years might have done more harm than good in hindsight. I'm curious how you think about this?
- sedan_baklazhan 2y agoJust yesterday on the front page there was a topic largely consisting of accusations of Russia breaking these cables. Now I see a sudden switch of the "criminal" and a possible start of a new 2-minute of Hate. It's very Orwellish indeed.
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- preisschild 2y agoDid you even read the thread? It was captained by a Russian, and CN is a Russian ally. The Kremlin may very well be behind this.
- sedan_baklazhan 2y agoWow
- myrmidon 2y agoPeople are speculating about whether this was intentional, and, if so, who is to blame. How is that "Orwellian"? Russia has quite the recent history of poisoning civilians both native and foreign (do you dispute that?). Those acts are already a significant step above simple sabotage, so why would it be Orwellian to consider them a possible perpetrator? In my view, common current western view of Russia is everything but: Orwellian would be a strong, emotional public expressions of hate (with frequently switching target). Current western view (can only really talk about central Europe) is more of a muted mix of disappointment, sadness and disgust about what Russia did/does in the Ukraine...
- usr1106 2y agoLooks suspicious, but there were 4 vessels in the area whose transponder signal was lost by public trackers during that night. It has also been pointed out that this is a location with lively traffic. So if it turns out that is was an anchor (as in the New New Polar Bear case) that's extra suspicious because anchoring in such location is not normal. On the other hand if it were explosives like in the Nord Stream case, they could have been applied also weeks before.
- A_D_E_P_T 2y agoMuch more information here: https://gcaptain.com/details-of-baltic-sea-cable-incident-remain-murky-as-danish-navy-shadows-chinese-vessel/ https://gcaptain.com/details-of-baltic-sea-cable-incident-re...
- emmelaich 2y agoand some here https://www.newsweek.com/baltic-cable-sabotage-nato-1988689 https://www.newsweek.com/baltic-cable-sabotage-nato-1988689 including > Social media reports said that the vessel had a Russian captain, although this has not been independently confirmed.
- weweersdfsd 2y agoI think it's time for a special navy operation which captures a Russian or Chinese cargo ship every time a cable gets damaged. The ships and their cargo could be then sold to the highest bidder.
- preisschild 2y ago... And profits are given to Ukraine.
- sva_ 2y agoAm I hearing this right? You're volunteering to be on the front lines?
- rightbyte 2y ago[flagged]
- weweersdfsd 2y agoIf it comes to a war I'm going to be on the front lines anyway, because I happen to live in a country next to Russia. Capturing a cargo ship guilty of sabotage wouldn't make much of a difference in whether a war comes or not.
- KSteffensen 2y agoIt that really a precedent we would want to set? It sounds like it would be bad for global trade that state actors could arbitrarily seize privately owned property.
- mihaaly 2y agoWrong time getting cuastic (except if you are supporting China and Russia in their bully and troublemaker sabotaging efforts).
- mitjam 2y agoIt was crossing right on time for the interruptions, a Russian officer was on board, it slowed down while crossing, no other ships were slowing down in that area during that time (rulingnout headwinds) - it cannot get much clearer. China is now participating in hybrid warfare against Europe (unless they present stronger evidence against this assumption)
- KumaBear 2y agoTime to start sailing the south china sea.
- Y_Y 2y agohttps://news.usni.org/category/fleet-tracker https://news.usni.org/category/fleet-tracker The US has two carrier groups there now, and has maintained a presence there for the last few years: https://news.usni.org/2017/05/29/brief-history-us-freedom-navigation-operations-south-china-sea https://news.usni.org/2017/05/29/brief-history-us-freedom-na...
- jhanschoo 2y agoCoincidentally (or not) a couple lines were down a few hours ago in this south china sea degrading connectivity
- upofadown 2y agoI strongly doubt that this is an official military act of the Chinese government. It will most likely turn out that this is not an official military act of any government as the intent was to do this in secret.
- dylan604 2y agoJust because the intent was to be secret does not negate an official act of any country. To assume that any military does nothing in secret is naivety at its finest.
- greener_grass 2y ago
- guerrilla 2y agoSo what would China's motivation be here?
- PontifexMinimus 2y agoHelping Russia
- a-french-anon 2y agoSo what's the strategic importance of this move? inb4 "they're just acting like hoodlums to show off their strength".
- kstenerud 2y agoKeeping Europe on edge and cowed, so that they spend less time and effort on Ukraine. This allows Russia to capture more of the historic Russian Empire in the east, which makes them more powerful and embarrasses the Western countries, pushing more unaligned countries into BRICS. The endgame here is to build a new world order with Russia and China calling the shots (actually, China calling the shots, but we're not supposed to say that yet).
- a-french-anon 2y agoThis seems very unrealistic, as the resulting distraction is probably of low consequence concerning Ukraine. Not even replying to the claims about world domination, I don't have time for these... "suppositions".
- kstenerud 2y agoYes, and that's half the problem. The only ones taking this seriously are the Latvians, Estonians, and Lithuanians (although the Finns and Poles finally woke up to it last year - also why Poland upped its military spending to 5%). The Estonian military reports are particularly enlightening, and Timothy Snyder offers background into the why.
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- thecodemonkey 2y agoThe Danish defense forces now confirms their presence but they are not providing any other information right now: https://x.com/forsvaretdk/status/1859195509866381402 https://x.com/forsvaretdk/status/1859195509866381402 (This is also a rare English-language tweet from an account that usually only tweets in Danish)
- TinkersW 2y agoThis is the 2nd time China did this in that Baltic isn't it? Both times look intentional.. maybe don't allow Chinese ships in the Baltic?
- tossandthrow 2y agoThat would not swing. Denmark controls the waters of the seaway to Sct. Petersburg and Kaliningrad that are some of the strategically most important ports of Russia. Blocking of traffic to these would be a severe escalation. Regularly Russian subs pass through Danish waters - controlled and allowed.
- Tade0 2y agoDamaging infrastructure is already a severe escalation. Should not have done that.
- tossandthrow 2y ago[flagged]
- tallanvor 2y agoNuclear war is not a realistic concern, luckily. If it was, it would have happened after the first "red line" Russia claimed the west had crossed.
- tokai 2y agoOn the contrary, chilling would endanger everyone living the in the free world even further.
- Tade0 2y agoNot American - I'm Polish. I've got friends who got drafted already (if only for training) so it's entirely possible I'll join them eventually. My take is that Russia's plan is to continue sabotaging and a weak (or lack of) response to that only emboldens them. Also nuclear war with what? Their recent Satan II ICBM test demonstrated that they don't necessarily have the technical chops to launch anything sufficiently capable and it must have come as a surprise to them as well.
- a-french-anon 2y agoSo, when do we know it's not just another operation Northwoods?
- rightbyte 2y ago[flagged]
- Gualdrapo 2y agoGoing from fishing illegally in south american waters to damaging internet cables in Europe.
- avidphantasm 2y agoI guess WWIV has been on a slow burn for going on three years now.
- queuebert 2y agoMore like since Deng Xiaoping initiated the modern Chinese economic strategy in the '80s to control the West through trade.
- RevEng 2y agoThe West did a fine job of this themselves. Outsourcing to poorer countries is what has made the West so wealthy for so long - goods whose price is subsidized by cheap labor. Now that China and other countries have caught up, the West doesn't get the same discount, but they also don't have their own manufacturing because they all outsourced. We did this to ourselves.
- p2detar 2y agoVery much this. We could have also used that time to advance and perfect on-demand production like 3D-printing, enhance our society by promoting more robust and prone to repair products, but instead we clinched on mass-consumption and profit. Our whole economic system needs recheck.
- mrguyorama 2y agoSorry best we can do is an incompetent admin full of 3rd rate celebrities who explicitly want to dismantle everything our ancestors built with a side of outright grift. The department of education is for losers. What do you mean half the country can't read at a high school level?
- VyseofArcadia 2y agoDid I miss WWIII?
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- nickpp 2y agoAlso, Russia is sabotaging European satellites: https://nltimes.nl/2024/11/15/dutch-childrens-channel-outages-caused-russian-sabotage-six-satellites https://nltimes.nl/2024/11/15/dutch-childrens-channel-outage...
- geor9e 2y agoTo be less ambiguous in word choice, they jammed a satellite from the ground. Russians used a ground based dish to spoof a TV station signal to a repeater satellite, causing TV stations near Ukraine to go down and show an interference error. I'm just clarifying because "sabotage" could mean any number of more costly and damaging things, like a spy loosening a bolt before launch or something. https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2544558-verantwoording-en-bronnen-bij-de-ophef-aflevering-over-de-verstoringen-van-babytv https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2544558-verantwoording-en-b...
- matthewfelgate 2y agoChina will do more and more of this as the USA withdraws from policing the world.
- IAmGraydon 2y agoChina didn't do it and the USA hasn't withdrawn from anything.
- matthewfelgate 2y agoThat would be the Chinese in Chinese ship.
- IAmGraydon 2y agoIt wasn't a Chinese ship. It was flagged in China, which is like buying a .US domain name when you don't live in the US. It's simple to do. The captain is Russian and the company who owns/operates the ship is headed by a Russian CEO. The crew was not Chinese either.
- fjfaase 2y agoIt looks like that the pilot ship Styrbjoern [1] came along side the Yi Peng 3 today. It traveled from the harbor of Grenaa to the ship and back. It possible that they took some people in for questioning or put a pilot and/or guards on the ship. [1] https://www.vesselfinder.com/?mmsi=219003826 https://www.vesselfinder.com/?mmsi=219003826
- fjfaase 2y agoOn November 21, 2024, 6:35 UTC: It looks like the pilot ship Styrbjoern is traveling in the direction of the Yi Peng 3 bulk carrier again.
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- adverbly 2y agoShould be very easy to verify if this was the cause. All you have to do at this point is go look at the cable near the crossings. If there is evidence of an anchor hitting the cables in both of these locations then you've got pretty clear proof. Someone should obviously be checking into this right now. No point speculating until it's confirmed really. I guess you might still want to board just to find out weather there is any evidence of intent rather than negligence in the case that this is confirmed to be the cause...
- ActionHank 2y agoAt best fall guy captain will claim ignorance, malfunction, or negligence. Retire or move to some cushy job. No one will want to implicate China in something that would support Russia's war and would all be afraid of the economic fallout.
- Etheryte 2y agoThis is not how ship registration works. A useful model is to think of a ship's flag like a tld, just because a site is .cn doesn't mean the company is based out of China. Ships usually fly one flag or another based on tax and legislative reasons, and it's often unrelated to the country of origin. The ship suspected of breaking the cables has been apprehended and it turns out it was currently sailing from Russia with a Russian captain [0]. [0] https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1859132263746744367 https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1859132263746744367
- godelski 2y ago> The speed of cargo ship Yi Peng 3 was affected negatively as she passed the 2 Baltic Sea cable breaks C-Lion 1 and BSC. > Before the incidents she held normal speeds. After stopping and drifting for 70 minutes she again held normal speeds. By this time the two cables were broken. > No. I checked the 5 most close ships heading the same way. They did not slow down similarly in the same wind. The ship most closely resembling Yi Peng 3 actually sped up. The Lady Hanneke. Some additional information: - Putin calls the region "NATO Lake" - German Defense Minister has called the line failure sabotage - Danish Naval ships are now shadowing Yi Peng It's unlikely that all information will become public in any meaningful time. I assure you, *someone* is checking on this and verifying. But as is common with many acts like this one side is operating on (not so) "plausible deniability" while the other is just not going to publicly declare an accusation but continue to watch more closely. It's like when a mob boss says "it would be a shame if something were to happen". This isn't evidence in of itself, but contextually it is suspicious as hell. The other part is that explicit accusations create a lot of political tensions. Obviously so does the actual act of sabotage. But definitive proof is quite difficult to actually reach. Unless there is literally a letter on that captain's desk from a military leader ordering the action (a "smoking gun") then it is easy to just blame the captain and/or crew, as Hank mentions. After all, a country should not be blamed for the actions of individual citizens not made with the direction of that country, though it is also important that countries hold their citizens accountable. Accusations will more depend on how hawkish the leaders are. Obviously all countries play games like this, but certainly some are more aggressive than others. One major country loves to play the victim card while creating "red lines" which violate international laws. So take it as you will
- bobbob1921 2y agoWhat I don’t understand - if the yi peng was intentionally trying to damage the FO cables, why would they not spoof or disable their AIS data/broadcast (ship tracking transponder which is the source of this positioning data we see). Anyone have some insight on that?
- wlll 2y agoAIS is required for large ships in many if not most jurisdictions, to have it turned off is suspicious in itself. If you turn it off then re-appear later on somewhere else having had to traverse the area where the cables where at the time they got damaged, that's suspicious. You could turn it off in port, head out, cut the cables then return and turn it on again, but the window of time you had it off would straddle the cable damage time, and there's a high chance you would have been documented (video, radio traffic) leaving port in that time, and depending on the departure port it may be hard to leave without AIS on as the authorities may notice.
- Already__Taken 2y agofishing boats and military often have it off btw.
- stainablesteel 2y agofishing boats turn it off when they're in places they're not supposed to fish
- AllegedAlec 2y agoChinese fishing boats specifically.
- pvaldes 2y agoSpanish also. And probably many other, seems a common trick.
- hinkley 2y agoDo we need to get James Cameron and associates to design a DitchWitch that can operate at 2 miles down? How deep can ship anchors go?
- ceejayoz 2y agoThey already use such a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_layer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_layer > Cable ships also use “plows” that are suspended under the vessel. These plows use jets of high-pressure water to bury cable three feet (0.91 m) under the sea floor, which prevents fishing vessels from snagging cables as thrall their nets.
- jmward01 2y agoCompletely aside from the cable discussion, I'm glad this was on bsky. I could finally follow the comments in the link again. I hope this trend continues.
- FlyingSnake 2y agoBlueSky has attained critical mass and it is the next generation of microblogging. We’re witnessing the long awaited dethroning of twitter and it will end up ceding the space like Reddit did.
- SoftTalker 2y agoUntil users get disenchanted with it and move to the next thing....
- NovemberWhiskey 2y agoActually that bit I care less about.
- moomin 2y agoI never got disenchanted with Twitter. It got boring. If it had stayed the same I’d still be on there complaining about it.
- dragonwriter 2y agoTransitioning from not finding it boring to finding it boring is exactly being disenchanted with it.
- moomin 2y agoThat would be true if Twitter hadn't changed, but it really has. More bots, more commercial accounts (or nakedly commercial accounts) and far fewer people getting into deep discussions of Nix and Haskell with dumb jokes.
- knowitnone 2y agoThey'll obviously point the finger at another country
- kkfx 2y agoAhem... Cui prodest/cui bono? What kind of interest Chinese could have to damage such cables? IMVHO ZERO. Also I doubt Russians have interests to do so. Who could be interested? - some private company for makes and insurance/the public pay to fix something who need money from the owner for other reasons (like I break on purpose my car to get it repaired for free or at least less money than what it would costing me avoiding the self-sabotage); - some countries wanting war at all costs trying to create a casus belli to justify the push toward WWIII - some countries experimenting the resilience of their infra I fails to see any other potentially interested party.
- rafinha 2y agoIf a cable goes down, isn't the traffic just re-routed? Don't see the point of intentional damage here.
- hnuser123456 2y agoCost of new anchor = X Cost of fixing cable = >>X Damage = done
- nessbot 2y agoDunno what the real reason is, but it's easy to see possible a intentional reason: Testing to see how it well it works and how other nations respond.
- coriny 2y agoBotswana is well in the top half of least-corrupt countries. I suspect you know nothing about Ukraine or Botswana.
- byearthithatius 2y agoYESS!! Finally a bsky link instead of X. Hope this is how it is from now on.
- shmerl 2y agoHow much did Putin pay Xi Jinping for it?
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y agoI read somewhere that the captain is Russian. What a surprise.
- muffwiggler 2y ago[flagged]
- tucnak 2y agoThe ship is owned and operated by russians.