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Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the
by notyourwork 2y ago
Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.
- bongodongobob 2y ago[flagged]
- notyourwork 2y agoTry not to dismiss my comment for what it is. I'm not taking a stance on political affiliation or preference. I'm trying to highlight a behavior that is the result of elections of recent past. I'm not excited about another 4 years where communication diminishes to snarky comments that point finger at the side they oppose. It makes me want to just go outside and smell the fresh air. I come to HN for substantial conversation, not this elementary unsubstantial conversation.
- Freedom2 2y agoWith that in mind, "Am I the only one..." is not substantial conversation, because it is rarely the case where one person is the only one who holds a certain viewpoint.
- ikiris 2y agoYour presumption that it was snarky banter and not a deductive prediction based on publicly documented behavior is itself a political stance and affiliation.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoThey have already announced what they are going to do, with the pro-Trump side saying he's not serious or will mellow out the plan before he takes office, and the anti-Trump side saying he will do exactly what he says he's going to do. Basically a repeat of 2016.
- weaksauce 2y agonot a repeat of 2016 at all. he's got every lever of the government at his disposal. stacked supreme court, three branches of government on his side. hiring the worst people for every job possible and hiring only for fealty to him. this will be much worse than 2016.
- zer8k 2y ago[flagged]
- dangerlibrary 2y ago[flagged]
- stouset 2y agoYou may wish to revisit your timelines. COVID-19 and the associated widespread shutdowns occurred throughout 2020 and 2021. The national debt (e.g. the thing the "money printing" goes toward) rose by a staggering $8.4T from 2017-2021 and only $4.3T from 2021-.
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- ithkuil 2y agoUnfortunately complex systems cannot be fixed by simply going full forward in the opposite direction of a bad direction. And yet we not only want to revert any decision that was made that we think correlates with an unhappy situation, we also want to choose people who are as different as possible from the guys we think are responsible for the unwanted status quo. So if the current politicians are serious people who talk in an articulate way we conclude that seriousness is a problem, because it's two faced. We conclude that being articulated is a problem because it's judgemental, it's a symbol of being elites. If you conclude that serious looking articulated people are two-faced lying elites there are many alternatives in a multidimensional solution space. You could desire honest serious elites, or honest serious commoners, or many variations on the theme. But no, we obviously want to get exactly the opposite, because that's the monodimensional thing to do! It's simpler. Let's pick the exact opposite of the people we have. Current people are too serious? Let's pick an unserious person. The current elites are too educated? Let's pick people that don't have formal education and/or that actively denigrate higher education. Etc etc. I understand the human urge to flip tables. But if I stop thinking about it for a moment, I don't think the strategy is good. In rare cases it might be the necessary strategy, but in most cases it's destroying something that has plenty room for improvement and replace it with something that is much worse and will take even longer to improve over the previous one
- Koala_ice 2y agoI'm actually not bantering.
- agumonkey 2y agoI'm also jaded by the constant snark I/we have to resort to to cope and disconnect from the insanity that is today's world
- buzzerbetrayed 2y agoI’m glad you used the word snark since that exact word in the HN guidelines > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.
- caekislove 2y agoThey are like this literally any time a Republican is in the White House. They were like this when Dubya was President too, even though today they act like he's some sort of elder statesman just because he hates Trump.
- yakz 2y agoWhat? Dubya was selected by the Supreme Court. He started a war after peddling bullshit evidence in front of the whole world. Dubya was and is a piece of shit.
- jiggawatts 2y agoTwo wars, but who’s counting?
- netsharc 2y agoThere were some people (former staff of his) openly asking him, before the election, to denounce Trump. He didn't do that. November 6, he issued a congratulations to Trump. A piece of shit and a coward .
- throwaway425933 2y ago>> but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this. Well, it cuts both ways. New administration should not be talking till they are in office.
- _blk 2y agoRespectfully, why not? That's the whole point of campaigning. I seriously hope an incoming administration has a plan before they get to office. "I wouldn't change anything" fortunately doesn't seem to win elections when everything's sideways.
- Mordisquitos 2y agoCampaigning is customarily done before elections, not after.
- ipaddr 2y agoCampaigning is done right happens between elections. In most countries you only have 4/6 weeks. As Kim Campbell of Canada famously said an election is not the time to debate issues. Now the US has a much longer campaign period.. and elections every 2 years. They are always campaigning.
- rootusrootus 2y agoI hope that the incoming President is not campaigning at this time, nor at any time in the future.
- nradov 2y agoEvery US President is constantly campaigning. Not necessarily for his own re-election but to create public pressure on Congress to support his agenda, and then to get votes for his endorsed successor.
- amazingamazing 2y ago
- zer8k 2y agoThese people have been inundated with the drivel of a billion dollar propaganda machine run by the most expensive campaign in history. It's gonna take a while before they're back to normal again. I've heard so many "office of government efficiency" jokes in the last week I am tired of it too. But, in their defense if all you hear is how this administration is going to be the fourth reich (lol), destroy the country (lol), introduce fascism (lol), kill people (lol), etc you're going to react in a sarcastic way to anything you can grasp onto. Though tbf, again, "office of government efficiency" seems like an oxymoron.
- jiggawatts 2y agoElon chose the name to be a joke. You’re accusing the wrong side for making a mockery of government institutions.
- rightbyte 2y agoIt is a Doge coin joke, right? edit: But then again P.A.T.R.I.O.T act etc is a thing so hard to tell if actual joke or just going with how US politicians like to be witty while naming stuff.
- cglace 2y agoWhat if we use Trump's actual words?
- rootusrootus 2y ago[flagged]
- zzzeek 2y ago[flagged]
- ithkuil 2y agoOr perhaps he just does it for ego and visibility. It's hard to tell which of these two options is more likely. 4d chess or simple billionaire egomania ?
- namaria 2y agoWhat's 4D chess about saying they'll diminish the government capacity to regulate their business and proceeding to doing so? It doesn't take an evil genius master plan to go about that.
- ithkuil 2y agoThe genius would lie in planning that in advance. You'd need to buy Twitter for quite a lot of money, use it to influence elections or at least give the impression that you'd been instrumental in influencing the election so that the new president will want to give you a new department with a funny name you made up. I don't know man, my Occam's razor cuts another way.
- sangnoir 2y ago> You'd need to buy Twitter for quite a lot of money On the other hand, if he had been forced to buy Twitter against his better judgement, he may have an axe to grind against the "overbearing" administrative state and use the tools at hand to achieve his ends. No evil genius required, just happenstance and humans seeing patterns in chaos.
- ab5tract 2y agoBeing “forced” to honor a contract that you yourself entered and legally bound yourself to. The horror, the dishonor, the overreach of justice!
- MBCook 2y agoWe’ve had them in office before, plus plenty of public statements over the last 10 years. It’s not exactly baseless speculation. People have things to base their guesses on.
- buzzerbetrayed 2y agoBeing right or wrong is often irrelevant to the question of “does it belong on HN?”
- sangnoir 2y agoNot only do other HN commenters largely agree that it belongs to HN, they decided that it deserves to be the top comment on this discussion, at the time I authored this comment
- notyourwork 2y agoWhich is sad for someone who has been here for well over a decade. I never came here for political banter, I came for technical discussion. Facts, truths and subject matter experts. HN is slowly becoming less concentrated version of that.
- ab5tract 2y agoPretending that “politics” exists as something separate or invasive is not only ignorant, it’s dangerous. If this were a thread about IBM machines of the 1930s, would it be playing “politics” to note that those machines were sold to Nazis and supported by IBM through sub-contractors even while we were at war with them? Is it crossing a line to mention they were used to facilitate the Holocaust?
- scoofy 2y ago"I don't want to discuss politics" when it's directly related to the topic at hand, is a complaint from the decadent class. It affects peoples lives, it's relevant, it's entirely plausible given the situation. People are going to have to deal with the presence of politics in regular life for the unforeseen future, because the luxury of avoiding politics is generally the sign of having good governance.
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- noncoml 2y agoCan you mention one thing that Trump or Musk ever did out of altruism?
- bydo 2y agoTrump set up a whole university!
- Smoosh 2y agoAnd he ran a charity! https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-don...
- tim333 2y agoMusk seems quite well meaning. Neuralink, the early Starlink donated to Ukraine, trying to move the world to Solar/electric etc. Trump... dunno.
- sangnoir 2y ago> trying to move the world to Solar/electric etc. Is he, really? He recently announced that he supports Trump's position of getting rid on EV subsidies, stating that it hurts Tesla's competition more.
- valval 2y agoI love the argument you’re making. If you’re against socialist policies, it serves as indication you don’t like the things I find good. Please don’t ask me to fund anyone else’s EV purchase. It doesn’t matter to me one bit who’s in office to get rid of that evil policy, I’d still love it.
- noncoml 2y agoJust adding that Mudk has shown that he is willing to completely ignore ethics and many times (almost?) cross the line of legality too. Paying people to vote for Trump Manipulating the stock market Manipulated the crypto market multiple times Tried to force Tesla employees to go to work during Covid
- fundad 2y ago[flagged]
- hagbard_c 2y agoYou are not alone in this sentiment. It is beyond the pale that the denizens of a 'hacker forum' are often so narrow-minded when it comes to engaging those who think outside of the personal zone of ideological preference. The same people who have been yammering about the importance of 'diversity' are dead set against diversity of opinion. Grow up, folks, get outside your comfort zone and engage some of those deplorables, irredeemables, garbage, rednecks, hillbillies and bible thumpers instead of howling along with the masses. Go ahead and try, you may find they are more like you than you've been told by the chattering classes. Sure you'll have disagreements over certain things but that does not make them the evil monsters your moral mentors have been claiming they are. Just... grow up.
- bitzun 2y agoI don't think GP was talking about ordinary people, they were making a comment about a politician's declared plans.
- peutetre 2y ago> engage some of those deplorables, irredeemables, garbage, rednecks, hillbillies and bible thumpers instead of howling along with the masses You are aware that no one in this thread has called anyone deplorable, irredeemable, garbage, a redneck, a hillbilly, or a bible thumper, right? Your aggrievement and imagined slights is precisely how people like Trump and Musk manipulate you. And apparently the manipulation works really well. Trump is not your retribution. Trump doesn't care about America. Trump doesn't care about Americans. Trump only cares about himself.
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- Mountain_Skies 2y agoHacker News' eventual death started the moment it joined the hysteria over the Lab Leak Theory. Since then it has trended more and more to be like Reddit, with ideological tribal concerns occupying an increasingly large mindshare. This drives away people who want to have earnest conversations in good faith, giving even more power to the ideologues. It will be a long death spiral but you can see it happening day by day.
- StarterPro 2y ago[flagged]
- namaria 2y agoIt sucks for everyone. What you want us to do? Pretend it ain't so?
- valval 2y agoIt doesn’t suck for the majority of people in the country. For them, it’s what they’d love to see. Funnily enough, comments like yours are also what they’d love to see. Seeing leftists in tears over the policy changes we’re going to see is a great form of entertainment for many people.
- namaria 2y agoIt will suck soon enough for those thick enough to be gleeful about it now.
- rsynnott 2y ago> For them, it’s what they’d love to see. Apparently not: https://www.axios.com/2024/11/15/trump-elon-musk-focus-group-2024 https://www.axios.com/2024/11/15/trump-elon-musk-focus-group...
- valval 2y agoAny other left wing propaganda you’d want me to know of?
- Spooky23 2y ago[flagged]
- netsharc 2y agoTo expand your last paragraph, I've been wondering about how the whole thing will affect geo-politics (as well as national politics). I wonder if there's a forum of people doing thinking about all possible scenarios. Things like the world pivoting towards China because, hey, Xi is a despot, but at least he isn't volatile... The joke was, when Putin invaded Ukraine everyone turned from epidemiology experts into geo-political experts. I wonder where the proper experts are now.
- Spooky23 2y agoThey are laying low. My guess is that we’ve witnessed the end of the post Cold War American hegemony. Welcome to chaos.
- Wytwwww 2y ago> I loathe it They are planning to appoint a nutjob who has publicly that he admitted cutting off the heads of whale carcasses with a chainsaw and dumping dead bears in the Central Park for "fun". Presumably he is also consuming those rotting animals carcasses that he keeps finding somehow (how else do you get brain worms?) to be the new US health secretary. Seriously... what else do you need to know?
- ipaddr 2y agoHe has respect and years of experience in this field and a strong vision. Your talking points are things we might here on the view.
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- netsharc 2y ago[flagged]
- ipaddr 2y agoYou oppose moving away for inflammatory seed oil that is known to cause cancer? You oppose removing incentives that have drug companies writing health policy? People with gilbert's syndrome are happy to remove fluoride from the drinking water. Educate yourself before someone else does and sells you short. Fluoride can damage the liver in a number of ways, including: Liver function enzymes: Fluoride can increase the activity of liver enzymes like transaminases and phosphatases, which can indicate liver damage. Liver cell membrane: Fluoride can rupture the liver cell membrane. Mitochondrial damage: Fluoride can damage mitochondria in liver cells. Protein synthesis: Fluoride can prevent the liver from producing important proteins like albumin and clotting factors. Glucose metabolism: Fluoride can disrupt the liver's ability to regulate glucose metabolism, which can lead to metabolic disorders like diabetes. Histological changes: Fluoride can cause histological changes in the liver. Fluoride is a small, active molecule that can easily enter cells and cause damage to tissues and organs. Studies have shown that fluoride exposure can cause liver damage in a variety of animals, including rats, mice, goats, and cattle. To treat fluoride toxicity, you can try: Calcium chloride: Lavage with a 1-5% calcium chloride solution to bind the fluoride in the stomach. This is most effective when done within an hour of ingestion. Hemodialysis: For critically ill patients who don't respond to other treatments.
- ChildOfChaos 2y agoAs a non-american watching the election, this was one of the reasons I didn't want the result to be the way it went. Just for having to hear about it constantly from everywhere.
- axus 2y ago[flagged]
- asdasdsddd 2y agoNo, we need more SNL trump impressions, Trump pundits, and corny jokes
- fumeux_fume 2y agoCan't be much more worse than an off topic comment.
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- phtrivier 2y agoYes, it will be annoying to have people make jokes about the people in overwhelming position of power. Who knows ? Maybe it won't even be possible for the whole four years ?
- ETH_start 2y agoA certain faction always think the rule on keeping politics out of forums doesn't apply to them, because their politics are too correct and important. I experience this problem in groupchats where the very people who furiously demanded people not bring politics into the group and to make the group politics-free routinely push their own politics. They say their politics are too important to not bring up. These same people LEFT other groups dedicated to politics so presumably if others respond in kind by discussing their own politics, they will leave the last groupchats too. This is why a certain faction is such an echo chamber. Incidentally, I was just banned from r/Archaeology for arguing that a post arguing that archeologists should prepare to fight the fascist takeover was too political.