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Trudeau government bans TikTok from operating in Canada
- TheRealPomax 2y agoTitle should be "Canadian government": it doesn't matter who is in which seat, if the government does something, that's the government doing something..
- rogerkirkness 2y agoHell yeah, screw TikTok and the horse it rode in on. (Canadian founder in unrelated domain)
- rvz 2y ago> "in wake of national security review of popular social media app" Where is the outrage then?
- tempest_ 2y ago> "It is important for Canadians to adopt good cyber security practices and assess the possible risks of using social media platforms and applications, including how their information is likely to be protected, managed, used and shared by foreign actors, as well as to be aware of which country's laws apply." I am sure that Canadians will totally do this.
- jt2190 2y ago> Citing national security concerns, the federal government has ordered TikTok to shutter its Canadian operations — but [Canadian] users will still be able to access the popular video app.
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- hettygreen 2y agoYes, this data is for American and Canadian companies to collect and sell!
- IncreasePosts 2y agoWhat data does china allow American and Canadian companies to collect and sell regarding Chinese citizens?
- hnpolicestate 2y agoThe citizens should be making that choice, not the government. You speak of them like serfs.
- dylan604 2y agoIf it walks like a duck
- cscurmudgeon 2y agoWho do you think elects the govt in Canada?
- meiraleal 2y agoChina is a communist country, the US and Canada are liberal economies and benefit a lot from that. Should the US and Canada be allowed to behave like that, why would Europe, Asia and other countries of the Americas still allow US Big Tech to do as they please?
- stale2002 2y ago> why would Europe, Asia and other countries of the Americas still allow US Big Tech Well I guess if they want access to what those tech companies offer, then that is why. But maybe they don't want access to the benefits of US tech companies. Thats understandable. Just like I am perfectly fine with us not getting the "benefits" of tiktok. The problem is solved in my book if there is a decoupling of these tech industries. Personally, I think the US tech industry is better and will provide the most benefits. But if other countries don't want that, thats fine by me as well.
- strongpigeon 2y agoTo be clear, they're not banning the app, they're banning ByteDance from having offices in Canada
- throw310822 2y agoBut what's the point? It's more common for a government to force companies to have an office in the country to exercise political or legal control (see for example recent news about Twitter's Brazil office). Why banning them from having one?
- outside1234 2y agoWhat is the strategy here? Why does banning ByteDance from having offices in Canada do anything?
- AnotherGoodName 2y agoCould it be the start of a series of legislation to make it impossible to operate the app which would be more palatable to the public than a ban? 1: Ban presence in the country 2: Add data provision requirements that personal information be stored in the country. 3: TikTok can’t meet requirements? Well that’s on them, guess they can’t operate here.
- dylan604 2y agoWhat if ByteDance operating outside of Canada stores the data in ca-central-1?
- alephnerd 2y ago> What is the strategy here 1. Show the current government is doing something after the CSE said the Canadian government has been breached by China's MSS [0] 2. A response to China for breaching Canada's systems. 3. A way to get a quick win to make bipartisan China hawks across the border in the US happy. [0] - https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cse-cyber-threats-china-1.7367719 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cse-cyber-threats-china-1.7...
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- uncomputation 2y ago“Bans ByteDance” might be better wording.
- paxys 2y agoIf there are actual "national security concerns", they should rule that TikTok data of Canadian citizens needs to be stored within Canadian borders and can only be accessed by Canadian employees. This ban (removing the company's presence from the country while keeping the app active) ensures the exact opposite.
- aaomidi 2y agoThey're angry that TikTok made people aware of the atrocities their governments are supporting across the world. This has also been the catalyst behind the ban of TikTok in the US.
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> This has also been the catalyst behind the ban of TikTok in the US No it hasn’t. The war in Gaza is a foreign policy issue, which means most Americans tuned out from the start, and one that was a top issue for a very, very narrow slice of the electorate. The sad truth is we’re aware of atrocities; we simply aren’t too bothered by them. (If you’re honest about yourself, you aren’t either. Nobody sane could be. There are too many of them, and they’re all burning furiously and it has been this was for a long time.) TikTok is about China, not the Middle East.
- gberger 2y agoCanadian citizens can still be brainwashed even if their data is stored within Canada.
- joshdavham 2y ago> "Most people can say, 'Why is it a big deal for a teenager now to have their data [on TikTok]?' Well in five years, in 10 years, that teenager will be a young adult, will be engaged in different activities around the world," I’m technically Gen-Z (but just barely) and this is something that really worries me. It’s become increasingly normal in recent times to share absolutely everything online but I’ve got a pretty grim feeling that this isn’t gonna end well. People don’t realize that the AI’s being trained on your data today will act as an internet history that you can never delete.
- DilutedMetrics 2y agoFull circle from early Facebook and Twitter over sharing.
- dystnitem4r3 2y agoAs someone who actually didn't participate in the facebook generation (I was a straight edge Millenial who started college at the tail of the Gen X generation), I do not envy anyone trying to live in modern western society without their generation's social media of choice. The few of us 'counterflow' cannot win against the tides as long as we remain part of the larger society. At best we eke out livings generally disadvantaged compared to our brethren with social media presences and all the drama that goes with it. A few of us may get opportunities from those rare outliers in positions to make a call or introduce you to a friend of a friend. But make of the rest of us simply become one of the unspoken masses, just like say the people in Slab City, or those old rock hounds who used to live in Quartzite, AZ (now some weird mass of RV park and bedroom community for Phoenix, as I understand it.) My point, winding as it may seem, is that this generations kids are bound to their social mediums just like the radio and then television generations were to theirs, for mainstream culture, and like the Beatniks, Hippies, Progressives(I'm not sure of the proper term here, but the non-internet groups of the 80s-00s, LGBTQA movement, the BDSM movement, etc) for the outliers. There are plenty of other subcultures out there that have waxed and waned as well, some of them crossing other boundaries, like the religious or politcal gaps in this country. But for many of us that leaves us as the odd person out. Not being into the right hobbies or social activities or just having the wrong values and you soon find yourself distanced from those around you. The internet can give that back to you or help take it away, but in the long term the dossiers on each of us that being online produce is far less damaging than the lack of in-person connections many of us(not I) gain from social networks even as we give up our privacy and our opportunities for future dissent against the status quo, something that Eastern and Western societies alike are rapidly barreling towards an ultimatum on. Assuming you're not YOLOing it, what will you give up for your life now, versus the lives you want to leave you to your descendants, or if you're not planning on your own and not a selfish jerk, for other people's descendants? Footnote: This comment was written from an American point of view, although much of it still applies to our Canadian cousins and European/Australian brethren.
- hnpolicestate 2y agoSame goes for the U.S, if citizens are banned from using an app you don't live in a democracy.
- lnxg33k1 2y agoDemocracy means having the ability to cast a preference, and citizens have voted twice for a guy saying he would ban TikTok, not sure what's more democratic than that
- ysofunny 2y agobut ordered society also means "elections change nothing, there are rules" so then, under this premise, what changes things? a vote in congress
- logicchains 2y agoHe explicitly said he wouldn't ban TikTok during his second campaign.
- seaourfreed 2y agoThe CIA controls TikTok's censorship. Trudeau is doing this since Trump may change the US gov's censorship to no longer push a left agenda. Then political right Canadians that get censored in 2024 won't get censored in 2025 and beyond. Therefore, surprise, surprise, Trudeau censors it now the day after the US election.
- hluska 2y agoThere is no censorship - the application is still available in Canada. The order is to close offices in Vancouver and Toronto. In May of this year, the Canadian government ordered two drone detection companies (Pegauni and Bluvec) to shut down using almost the exact same wording. For comparison (this is actually quite interesting), here is the ByteDance release: https://www.canada.ca/en/innovation-science-economic-development/news/2024/11/government-of-canada-orders-the-wind-up-of-tiktok-technology-canada-inc-following-a-national-security-review-under-the-investment-canada-act.html https://www.canada.ca/en/innovation-science-economic-develop... And here is the Bluvec/Pegauni release: https://www.canada.ca/en/innovation-science-economic-development/news/2024/05/government-of-canada-orders-the-dissolution-of-canadian-businesses-following-a-national-security-review-under-the-investment-canada-act.html https://www.canada.ca/en/innovation-science-economic-develop... So, there’s no censorship but the releases are extremely similar to drone detection companies.
- cbg0 2y agoDo you have any proof to support these conspiracy theories?
- blobbers 2y agoThis is quite possibly the stupidest ban I've ever heard. They should insist that the data doesn't leave their borders; this is the opposite of a ban. They're insisting on having all their user data leave. Government being stupid. Imagine that.
- ta8645 2y agoThis seems like political theatre. Recently, Trudeau claimed that he has direct evidence against members of the opposition party engaged in "foreign interference" with China[1] There are also allegations by others that members of his own party have also been implicated. And yet he refuses to release the names, or elaborate on any of these allegations for the public. Essentially, he's using China to distract from his own policy failings at home. [1] https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-says-he-has-list-of-conservatives-vulnerable-to-or-engaged-in-foreign-interference-1.7075198 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-says-he-has-list-of-...
- epgui 2y ago> he's using China to distract from his own policy failings at home. It’s not at all clear that that is even plausible. Also, the CSIS appears to be making very unequivocal statements in support of the policy approach.
- ta8645 2y ago> It’s not at all clear that that is even plausible. Given this latest news about Tik Tok, i'd say it's more than likely, since this is hardly the biggest threat from China, especially if they've compromised members of the government. You would think it would be an all out 5-alarm fire, and dealt with in the most expedient (and hopefully transparent) way possible. So that the public know they can trust all their government representatives. > Also, the CSIS appears to be making very unequivocal statements in support of the policy approach. The government has investigated itself, and found itself innocent, and following a divine path.
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- epgui 2y ago> The government has investigated itself, and found itself innocent, and following a divine path. You do know that "the government" is 1) actually made up of independent branches, and; 2) its various organizations largely operate at arms' length... Right?
- maxglute 2y agoAnything to read into the timing?
- dylan604 2y agowhat timing? I have no idea what you are referring
- cpymchn 2y agoHe waited a year after receiving the intel? He is being roasted for foriegn interference at the moment? He is about to call an election? Salt Typhoon just broke? And Trump is about to light things up on the Foriegn Affairs file? I actually have no idea either.
- ironyman 2y agoPerhpas a response to Canadian government network being hacked by Chinese intelligence: https://therecord.media/canada-20-government-agencies-hacked-china-last-four-years https://therecord.media/canada-20-government-agencies-hacked...
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- stonesthrowaway 2y agoDoesn't hurt to proactively appease the next leader of the US. Especially an ornery one looking to settle some scores. I don't think it's a coincidence that this news broke a day after trump's election.
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- 486sx33 2y agoThis might be related to CANCON rules. If TikTok can’t have Canadian offices then they can’t qualify for Canadian content. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content
- softbt 2y agoThey are banning offices, not the actual app though
- TeaBrain 2y agoI think that the idea is that once they ban the offices, then they might have stronger legal justification to ban the app.
- hirako2000 2y agoIf related then media from all other countries but Canada should be banned from distributing in Canada?
- freeone3000 2y agoThere's a mandatory ratio for public broadcasting. It does ensure that the (same five) Canadian bands get radio airplay (35% must be Canadian), that broadcast television airs Canadian produced shows (50% annually), and so on. So, in a sense, yes?
- amarcheschi 2y agoIf you're wondering how bad the situation is regarding young men perception of reality, take a look at genz reddit and at the hottest post of SubredditDrama (the one that talks about genz reddit). On one hand, we should do something at a societal level to prevent young guys go into the red pill rabbit hole. On the other hand, TikTok being banned is a big deal, and I can't say whether it will pay off or not, but sure as hell I hope it does Edit On a second read (it's been a long day) they're closing offices but not banning the app, my comment is worthless. But feel free to check out the genz subreddit and get appalled but what's being said there
- laifu 2y agoAn interesting perception of Reddit is to analyze how many subreddits/threads contain hate/anger inducing topics or replies, and of how many accounts with 1m+ karma post inconsequential or random information constantly and consistently get thousands of upvotes per post. I always try to keep a neutral understanding of topics, and I find that once my research involves exploring what others have found on reddit, it becomes weirdly easy to get sucked into addictive pits fueled by emotion. Certainly unfortunate since the name Reddit as a name translates to "read it", suggesting idea sharing of some sort. I try to limit addictive features by disabling things like thumbnails, recommendations, or some cookies, but Reddit is the only social media platform where I've seriously considering just blocking it entirely. Edit: typo
- amarcheschi 2y agoI use reddit mainly for the same 5 niche subreddits I visit often
- logicchains 2y ago>we should do something at a societal level to prevent young guys go into the red pill rabbit hole People like you who think others should be banned from accessing information that might cause them to develop certain political views are a big part of why so many people are being radicalised. That's the reason Joe Rogan gave for endorsing Trump for US president, that Kamala Harris had explicitly threatened to censor social media.
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- not2b 2y agoInstead of the laser focus on TikTok as a threat, it would be better for the US and Canada to have real data protection laws that would apply equally to TikTok, Meta, Google, Apple, and X. What the EU has done is far from perfect but it bans the worst practices. The Chinese can buy all of the information they want on Americans and Canadians from ad brokers, who will happily sell them everything they need to track individuals' locations. Perhaps the way to get anti-regulation politicians on board with this is for someone to do what was done to Robert Bork and legally disclose lots of personal info on members of Congress/Parliament, obtained from data brokers and de-anonymized.
- imgabe 2y agoIt is not about the data. It’s about a foreign government controlling the algorithm that decides what millions of people see, and their ability to shape public opinion through that. Like imagine if China owned CNN and the New York Times and decided what stories they could publish.
- not2b 2y agoThat can be a threat, but a billionaire American or South African with similar power and motivation is also a threat.
- mc32 2y agoAnd also the guy who bought a bankrupt radio network, right? Or is that one okay?
- ahartmetz 2y agoWhat about that African weirdo who bought the #1 political announcements channel on the internet? /s
- imgabe 2y agoA billionaire American lives in America and generally benefits if America benefits. A foreign country is not aligned to America’s interests and may be outright hostile to them.
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- rkagerer 2y agoCanadian here. Disappointed by the lack of transparency. First, no corporation should be unilaterally shut down without a clear explanation provided, including facts & evidence (which would normally come to light during due process). Second, if the company is as dangerous as they say, they are doing a huge disservice to citizens by withholding that information and handicapping our ability to make an informed choice about using the app. Pushing their operations out of Canada also reduces their accountability footprint to subsequent lawsuits or legislation. This is a weird half-measure and I have trouble making sense of it.
- ipaddr 2y agoIf they only had remote workers this wouldn't be a big deal. Shame on you tiktok for making everyone return to the office.
- throwaway106382 2y agoAs a Canadian I’m just left wondering what scandal the Liberals are trying to cover up now.
- akomtu 2y agoTikTok does to the Canadian people what the rulers of Canada do to its people. That's why the govs are mad at TikTok: they can't ban its methods, for it's the same methods the govs use to fool their peoples. TikTok simply identifies your fears, likes and dislikes, and plays on them. It can divide the populace into two sample groups and run an A/B test on them. However that's not the endgame. I believe the current phase is simply gathering data and creating personal profiles accurate enough to imitate humans. With a bit of progress in AI those imitations will be used to create videos on the fly, tailored to each user. Those videos won't be limited by laws of physics or common sense, and this will give them an impressive insidious power.
- UncleOxidant 2y agoWhy all the handwringing about TikTok, but not about X?
- epolanski 2y agoNot going to lie, I find it amusing the double standard where we all know through multiple whistleblowers and courts that the US government spies on virtually every person on this planet (including world leaders like Angela Merkel) yet it's such a concern that the Chinese government allegedly spies on random Joes dancing in their bedroom. As an European those double standards and American exceptionalism (the idea that common laws and rules do not apply to US) will never cease to bother and annoy me.
- dghlsakjg 2y agoWhat does Canada booting a Chinese company have to do with US companies in Europe? You do know that Canada is not the US, and most Canadians do not identify or want to be seen as American. In any case, the solution here is glaringly obvious. If you think that American companies pose a national security threat, or that they serve as unofficial tools of an adversarial government remove them from the country using legal means, just like Canada did.
- epolanski 2y agoThe double standard is in calling China an enemy when China has never done jack shit to Canada for allegedly spying through tik tok, but scolding off the southern neighbor which we have multiple proofs has put all Canadians under mass surveillance (from communication to movement) for which we have proofs and leaks by whistleblowers like Snowden or the AT&T guy. That's what worries me, the easiness with which we label one as enemy, and assume the other one being normal.
- dghlsakjg 2y agoChina proveably opened illegal police stations in Canada. China arrested two Canadians and threw them in prison in pure retaliation when Canada detained a Chinese CEO in her mansion in Vancouver. The issue here is that TikTok was allowing its offices to act on behalf of the CCP in opposition to Canadian interests. If we discover Google is running anti Canadian CIA ops we would have an issue with that as well. The difference is presumably that Canada is happy to have google collect data since google is happy to cooperate with CSIS.
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- briantakita 2y agoThe Canadian government needs to gain control over the internet before the internet outcompetes the Canadian government...But every effort to impose totalitarianism will be mocked, resisted, & rejected. The Canadian government is cooked.
- talldayo 2y agoCanada is a part of FIVE-EYES, so through extension you can very easily argue that they already control the internet with complete impunity.
- jmyeet 2y agoEverybody needs to read Manufacturing Consent [1]. A big part of that is how the media is used to push a particular narrative. Every US tech company plays ball with the US government and moves in lockstep with US foreign policy. The threat of Tiktok (to Western governments) is that allows users to see things that other platforms bury, downrank, outright block or otherwise censor. A big example of this was the train derailment in East Palestine, OH [2] last year. I reember for at least a week seeing things about the chemical spill, the evacuations and the smoke from the burn (which was visible from space) and I saw absolutely nothing on mainstream media. You see this in the last year where what's happening on the Middle East manages to get out on Tiktok in a way it really doesn't on IG, Youtube or Facebook [3]. Information simply cannot be tolerated to move as freely as this, hence the scare campaign about Chinese control of Tiktok. That's why you don't see any effort to, say, have a data protection regime. The goal is to control what you're allowed to see. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent [2]: https://www.wired.com/story/east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-tiktok/ https://www.wired.com/story/east-palestine-ohio-train-derail... [3]: https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/systemic-censorship-palestine-content-instagram-and https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/...
- jml7c5 2y agoCNN did an hour-long town hall on the East Palestine disaster two weeks later, which doesn't really fit your narrative. They did a few stories on it at the time and reported it on-air, but didn't focus on the story immediately.
- lofenfew 2y agoThe opposing take is that the chinese government has a special interest in pushing the palestine narrative, which otherwise wouldn't be popular/of interest in the US. I personally don't give a shit about it, and I bet the same is true of most people. Naturally it wouldn't get very far on a normal social media without special effort directed towards promoting it.
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- sourcepluck 2y agoLooking forward to Ireland following suit, and then logically following through and also banning Instagram, Youtube, Snapchat, Facebook, Pornhub, Netflix, Disney, Spotify, etc. For too long these foreign companies have been "shaping public opinion" - to quote a sibling comment here, who I think accurately sums up at least some of the reasoning behind this kind of development. In case there's some ambiguity here - I am being sarcastic. I hope Ireland doesn't do that. I have strong issues with some of the above platforms and companies, but governments getting involved like this is nothing to be cheered.
- CrispyKerosene 2y agoTo play devils advocate - your are not wrong. We have see the rise of right-wing Trumpist style politics turn up in Australia, NZ, UK, etc. thanks in part to social media platforms algorithmically presenting it to those people.
- sheeshkebab 2y agoshould ban X too - it’s a rats nest of disinformation bots and brainwashed idiots.
- motohagiography 2y agosocial media platforms are an arm of state. as much as i distrust this government and its motives, there is every reason to treat the company as a front for CCP policy. that said, banning their operations appears to remove any legal leverage the govt might have with the company while still dealing with the app being installed everywhere, which seems clumsy. with less than a year left in office the govt probably doesn't have any remaining runway for strategy, so this may just be posturing. there are a lot of ways to look at it. cynically I might speculate there could be a domestic surveillance/interception rationale for making them close their operations, as the app is a full communications platform and if it backhauls to a domestic regional data centre, the federal agencies need warrants to do interception and would have to give their monitoring tech to the chinese company on their premises, whereas if the traffic is international, they can do mass interception using their existing mandates.
- isodev 2y agoThey should do Xitter and Reddit next.
- ttul 2y agoI believe there is a legal concept at play here. If a company has an office - a physical presence - within the country, then it has what is called “mind and management” in the country. The mind and management doctrine gives the company certain rights within Canada that presumably the security folks don’t want them to have. The public will probably never find out the scope of ByteDance’s operations in Canada for the Chinese government, but if it follows the same arc as other Chinese operations in Canada, I expect it is far more pervasive and frightening than one might expect. This isn’t about the app. This is about the offices.
- VWWHFSfQ 2y agoNot sure about Canada, but in USA the FBI and NYPD have been cracking-down on these Chinese government outpost offices https://www.npr.org/2023/04/17/1170571626/fbi-arrests-2-on-charges-tied-to-chinese-outpost-in-new-york-city https://www.npr.org/2023/04/17/1170571626/fbi-arrests-2-on-c...
- ttul 2y agoYes, there have also been Chinese "police stations" in Canada. In its November 2023 Interim Report of the Special Committee on the Canada–People’s Republic of China Relationship for Canada's parliament [1], investigators detailed how the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has established unauthorized "police service stations" in major Canadian cities - at least 3 in Greater Toronto, 2 in Vancouver, and potentially 2 more in Montreal/Brossard. While branded as administrative service centers, these stations are reportedly part of a broader transnational repression apparatus. What makes this particularly concerning is their alleged connection to the United Front Work Department (UFWD), the CCP's primary foreign interference arm. Most operators are local residents with established community connections and long-term involvement in influence operations, making them more effective than parachuted-in agents. The RCMP has launched investigations and taken some interesting tactical approaches - including deliberately visible patrols with marked cars to encourage reporting and show community members they're taking action. However, investigations are described as "lengthy" and no arrests have been made yet. The parliamentary committee seems to view this as part of a broader pattern of increasing transnational repression under Xi Jinping. According to Safeguard Defenders' testimony, there were at least 11,000 "successful persuasion to return" operations globally between 2014-2022, with at least 3 confirmed cases in Canada. What's particularly striking is that these stations operate quite brazenly in G7 countries. It's a remarkable example of how authoritarian states are becoming increasingly bold in projecting power within democratic societies. The Canadian government has formally demanded the PRC cease these activities as violations of diplomatic conventions, but enforcement remains challenging. The report suggests several countermeasures, including a foreign agent registry (currently defined in Bill C-70 [2]) and modernizing the 1984 CSIS Act, but the most interesting recommendation might be the call for coordinated frameworks among democratic allies to address transnational repression more systematically. [1] https://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Committee/441/CACN/Reports/RP12720365/cacnrp04/cacnrp04-e.pdf https://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Committee/441/CACN/Reports... [2] https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-70/first-reading https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-70/first-r...
- Tiktaalik 2y agoThis kills a bunch of software engineering jobs in Vancouver for like what? Now the company can continue to operate. Canada has no hold on them. Canadian jobs lost. What is the gain?
- xyst 2y agoThe appearance of “tough against foreign interests”
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- wkyleg 2y agoI have nothing but disdain for TikTok and the CCP but this seems like a very misguided approach. Being open and willing to accept foreign media (even when it's of low quality or propagandistic) is an advantage of genuinely open societies. Bad speech can be countered with more speech, and media from western countries can easily be seen on VPNs in countries with heavy censorship. Bans only play to more repressive societies who can claim equivalence. A better approach is to monitor the activity and narratives promoted and counter them. Chinese propaganda is usually ham handed and low quality anyway.
- rajamaka 2y agoI agree with you conceptually, in a world where everyone is genuinely seeking the truth and sceptically fact checking. But the reality is the general public don't have the time or attention span to read beyond a headline let alone wait for a retorting explanation. That combined with peoples propensity to be attracted to rage-bait and outrageous content in my opinion leaves a loop of scroll, get outraged, move onto next topic. We saw that in the US election cycle that just passed. One side makes outrageous in-factual claim, voter base gets riled up, other side attempts to set the record straight, other side is already riled up on a completely different in-factual claim. I'm not sure what the solution is. Banning TikTok probably isn't it.
- rnadom1 2y agoThe problem with this type of banning is that from the Chinese perspective it is equivalent to slapping on tariffs for cars. It sends a signal to them that Western countries can't compete on a fair playing ground. Now I am not dismissing they are using algorithm to manipulate what users see, but doesn't our social networks do the same thing? Yes, China also bans our social networks. But I can't help but see we are no better.
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- latchkey 2y agoNot a single mention of the "Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Americans_from_Foreign_Adversary_Controlled_Applications_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Americans_from_Fore... Interesting timing on that one... "Your starting date is April 24, 2024 so that means that 270 days later would be January 19, 2025."
- neets 2y agoSo is Tucows stuck paying the rest of the lease?
- trashtester 2y agoIt's prudent for any country to ban products that are not legal in the country that controls their design and production. TikTok is blocked in China because it's deemed to be harmful to their citizens.
- jerru 2y agoA quick google search shows that China uses a censored version of TikTok; they are not using the international version.
- metalman 2y ago2dough needed legislative click bait to get it he sanctioned a tiny sub entity of ticktock,rather than say the Canadians protesting his natzi loving ass it worked,sort off kind of like tumpy getting ellected the day before,which was only out of frustration from not bieng able to vote for Kim Dong Bong,or putin the actual sentiment,as demonsrtated on capitol hill's in a country near you is too rip the whole mess out and start over
- satonakamoto 2y agostep.1 Close their branch offices. step.2, So the app would stores Canadians' information abroad. step,3 Banned app,end.
- delegate 2y agoNobody seems to talk about the whale in the room which is the concept of short videos, aka digital crack cocaine and the ad business model, aka good old brain washing. People worry about 'data exfiltration', but that is exactly what these products are - collect data about the users and sell it to advertisers. Where the servers are located is of very little consequence in my opinion. Yeah, I mind that 'my data' (whatever that might be) is stored on a communist hard drive and there's a brain washed data scientist running ideological queries through it.. The issue is not the ideology, but the fact that someone is running queries through my data collected while I'm using the digital drug to later manipulate me.
- throwaind29k 2y agoFrom the article: "I'm not at liberty to go into much detail, but I know Canadians would understand when you're saying the government of Canada is taking measures to protect national security, that's serious." In other words, Canadian government saying, "Just trust us, bro".
- sharpshadow 2y agoWhere is China …which could demand access to the data of TikTok's U.S. consumers through Chinese national security laws… different to the USA in that context?
- Cypher 2y agoBan Trudeau