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That's basically what happened when they tried (twice I think ?) to raid Uber offices in France, their boss pressed a kill switch and everything went down in se

by Algent 2y ago

That's basically what happened when they tried (twice I think ?) to raid Uber offices in France, their boss pressed a kill switch and everything went down in seconds. It completely blocked the investigation. Afterward Uber helped Macron campaign who then ordered National Financial Prosecutor's office to "stop bothering them" so I don't think anything new happened since. Edit: Some sources in below replies for infos on both. Turn out I'm wrong for 2nd part it started earlier than his campaign.

Muromec 2y ago
Sounds like obstruction of justice or what not
nicce 2y ago
> Afterward Uber helped Macron campaign who then ordered National Financial Prosecutor's office to "stop bothering them" so I don't think anything new happened since. Isn’t that kinda definiton of corruption?
- hulitu 2y ago
  No. Corruption is when the others are doing it. /s
- Algent 2y ago
  I do need to correct myself, look like "friendship" started before his election: https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/18/a-privileged-relationship-with-president-emmanuel-macron-helped-establish-uber-in-france https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/18/a-privileged-relationshi... Pretty crazy to support a business designed to never pay tax. This bring nothing beside "precarious employment".
- grecy 2y ago
  Woah, slow down there citizen. It’s been rebranded to “lobbying” and “campaign contributions”. Much cleaner. Better optics.
- lm28469 2y ago
  Ahahahah you fool, don't be ridiculous, in civilized western countries we call it lobbying
stuaxo 2y ago
That sounds so illegal, it's crazy there aren't consequences for that. EDIT: Article on the kills switch https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jul/10/uber-bosses-told-staff-use-kill-switch-raids-stop-police-seeing-data https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jul/10/uber-bosses-tol...
- lokar 2y ago
  Nothing uber does is crazy anymore
  - NBJack 2y ago
    Not by comparison to Uber at least. 'Historical' documentaries about it are going to be wild. And probably on Netflix.
    - lokar 2y ago
      I meant they have redefined the bar for crazy to be so high no one will ever cross it. They are the GOAT for crazy.
    - fragmede 2y ago
      If you haven't seen superpumped or read the book and are interested in Uber's story, it's worth a read/watch, though it's dramatized for tv.
    - DoctorOW 2y ago
      History is written by the winners sadly enough.
- golemotron 2y ago
  The alternative, giving them a password that gives them read/write access to sensitive systems, would be insane. Subpoena for particular data.
  - dh2022 2y ago
    You can give them read access tokens that expire every couple of hours....
sensanaty 2y ago
How the hell can any of what you just described be legal? Do you have any articles about this? Because this is insane if true.
- YetAnotherNick 2y ago
  Why should it be illegal? Isn't it akin to "right to remain silent"? Why the need to present any information to police unless it is asked by court. Assuming that they didn't delete the data, just moved it to somewhere safe where it couldn't directly be taken away. We had a raid in one of my previous company due to copyright violation due to a user uploaded content. Authorities came in to take in all the codebase, reports and even employee devices. Basically once given court permission, police would try to collect all the unrelated things which could be taken in the permission, so that they could extort you later.
  - LunaSea 2y ago
    It can be destruction of evidence, which is illegal.
    - staticautomatic 2y ago
      Unless it wasn’t destroyed, in which case it might be interring with an investigation, which is probably also illegal in France.
      - Algent 2y ago
        It's definitely interference/obstruction at least of the raid itself yeah, but looking at the text and not being a lawyer I have a feeling it may be extremely hard to prosecute for something more substantial than a fine low enough for a french exec have it a as a guaranteed expense (bn€ in tax fraud vs a few k€ in fine). The law does also mention prison but it's not the kind of stuff that ever end up being applied for fiscal related cases.
        2y ago
Izikiel43 2y ago
That’s so interesting, probably a good move for them, it’s not their job to make governments lives easier
jokoon 2y ago
do you have a source for the "kill switch"?
intelVISA 2y ago
Some Saturday morning cartoon villain behavior, lol.

by Algent 2y ago

Muromec 2y ago

Sounds like obstruction of justice or what not

nicce 2y ago

> Afterward Uber helped Macron campaign who then ordered National Financial Prosecutor's office to "stop bothering them" so I don't think anything new happened since. Isn’t that kinda definiton of corruption?

hulitu 2y ago
No. Corruption is when the others are doing it. /s
Algent 2y ago
I do need to correct myself, look like "friendship" started before his election: https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/18/a-privileged-relationship-with-president-emmanuel-macron-helped-establish-uber-in-france https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/18/a-privileged-relationshi... Pretty crazy to support a business designed to never pay tax. This bring nothing beside "precarious employment".
grecy 2y ago
Woah, slow down there citizen. It’s been rebranded to “lobbying” and “campaign contributions”. Much cleaner. Better optics.
lm28469 2y ago
Ahahahah you fool, don't be ridiculous, in civilized western countries we call it lobbying

stuaxo 2y ago

That sounds so illegal, it's crazy there aren't consequences for that. EDIT: Article on the kills switch https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jul/10/uber-bosses-told-staff-use-kill-switch-raids-stop-police-seeing-data https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jul/10/uber-bosses-tol...

lokar 2y ago
Nothing uber does is crazy anymore
- NBJack 2y ago
  Not by comparison to Uber at least. 'Historical' documentaries about it are going to be wild. And probably on Netflix.
  - lokar 2y ago
    I meant they have redefined the bar for crazy to be so high no one will ever cross it. They are the GOAT for crazy.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    If you haven't seen superpumped or read the book and are interested in Uber's story, it's worth a read/watch, though it's dramatized for tv.
  - DoctorOW 2y ago
    History is written by the winners sadly enough.
golemotron 2y ago
The alternative, giving them a password that gives them read/write access to sensitive systems, would be insane. Subpoena for particular data.
- dh2022 2y ago
  You can give them read access tokens that expire every couple of hours....

sensanaty 2y ago

How the hell can any of what you just described be legal? Do you have any articles about this? Because this is insane if true.

YetAnotherNick 2y ago
Why should it be illegal? Isn't it akin to "right to remain silent"? Why the need to present any information to police unless it is asked by court. Assuming that they didn't delete the data, just moved it to somewhere safe where it couldn't directly be taken away. We had a raid in one of my previous company due to copyright violation due to a user uploaded content. Authorities came in to take in all the codebase, reports and even employee devices. Basically once given court permission, police would try to collect all the unrelated things which could be taken in the permission, so that they could extort you later.
- LunaSea 2y ago
  It can be destruction of evidence, which is illegal.
  - staticautomatic 2y ago
    Unless it wasn’t destroyed, in which case it might be interring with an investigation, which is probably also illegal in France.
    - Algent 2y ago
      It's definitely interference/obstruction at least of the raid itself yeah, but looking at the text and not being a lawyer I have a feeling it may be extremely hard to prosecute for something more substantial than a fine low enough for a french exec have it a as a guaranteed expense (bn€ in tax fraud vs a few k€ in fine). The law does also mention prison but it's not the kind of stuff that ever end up being applied for fiscal related cases.
      - 2y ago

Izikiel43 2y ago

That’s so interesting, probably a good move for them, it’s not their job to make governments lives easier

jokoon 2y ago

do you have a source for the "kill switch"?

intelVISA 2y ago

Some Saturday morning cartoon villain behavior, lol.