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Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event
- tjpnz 2y agoMust've been a great night for the bulk of Hollywood's mocap actors!
- quantified 2y agoSurprising absolutely no one, I hope. Credibility seems difficult to generate for Tesla events. Maybe the secret sauce for Robotaxis is a human driver somewhere watching the cameras. Like driving Uber but from the comfort of home, and it's easy to hit the fridge or bathroom between rides.
- mandevil 2y agoI mean, you definitely need people available to intervene even for a L4 or L5 autonomy, because they will get stuck (Tesla is not serious about robotaxis until they start staffing up a team to do that on a full-time basis). But actual driving? This link is way too high latency for that to be safe. The robot needs to be maintaining its own SA, and just calling the human when it doesn't know what to do.
- stackghost 2y agoIt's amazing to me just how far people will move the goalposts for Elon's perpetual grift. We've gone from "you'll be able to nap on your morning commute in your self driving car within 18 months" to "they will always need a human to intervene". Incredible
- dullcrisp 2y agoI don’t think the person you’re replying to said anything about Elon Musk in this case
- stackghost 2y agoNot directly, but he and Tesla are unfortunately inextricably linked.
- pclmulqdq 2y agoElon Musk has displayed incredible prowess at manipulating modern internet media. He launched "tesla shorts" right when a few big short sellers announced their positions (I believe one of them also put out a report about TSLA being insolvent aside from income from pre-orders, and was proven correct by Musk years later) and SEO-ed them into the ground. I would assume that several of the pro-elon accounts on most social media are actually either bots or shills. You don't need many shills to get real people interested.
- mandevil 2y agoErrr, I am saying that Elon's claims are obviously BS until we start to see Tesla doing something like what Waymo has had for years(1): a team of people ready to intervene and fix things that are outside the training set of the ML. I happen to know a senior person at a autonomous delivery robot company, which employs a team of people for just this purpose, because even delivering pizzas around a college town in a small little robot needs this. For things like (actual example for them) a sofa that was being thrown away and was just left on the sidewalk, and so a human needed to confirm that it was safe to move around it. And so far as I'm aware, Tesla isn't doing this, which is why I think that their autonomous taxi idea is nonsense. 1: Personal experience from being driven in a Waymo, I hit the assist button when we got stuck by some double parked cars in a parking lot. By the time someone answered the car had already extricated itself, but it didn't start that until after I hit the button.
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y agoIt's AI - Actually an Indian
- rekttrader 2y agoAs I I see the delivery robot do it’s job... a game being played by remote workers doing the Enders game.
- hi-v-rocknroll 2y agoReminds me of a plot of device of the 90's movie Shooting Fish where they were scamming businesses selling an AGI computer but were actually controlling responses with a human in another room.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y agoI mean, that's a classic for literally centuries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_Turk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_Turk
- tru3_power 2y agoAlso reminds me of amazons cashierless grocery stores
- wokwokwok 2y agoI mean, shoot me down here, but is it that bad of an idea? If you're going to have an assistant or a taxi driver, and you start off at the base position of "AI is totally unreliable", then having a fully remote gig-worker remotely piloting your robot... I mean, it doesn't seem like a massive stretch from what Uber does. ...and heck, having a 'remote robot body' is pretty cool tech. I guess. As long as you don't use it to pretend its just AI for the meaningless purposes of generating hype about your AI that really isn't actually any good.
- FactKnower69 2y ago>but is it that bad of an idea? yes, operating any kind of heavy machinery over a shaky wireless WAN with hundreds of milliseconds of latency and multiple percentage packet loss is, in fact, a bad idea
- darth_avocado 2y ago> Is it that bad of an idea? Driving at 60mph with shaky internet connection? Absolutely. Piloting a robot to fold laundry? Maybe not. Allowing random people to pilot robots in your house with children around? Absolutely horrific.
- xyzzy123 2y agoIt seems like there's considerable demand for human labour "below the API" that you don't have to talk to. It's kind of sad but people seem to get comfortable with it very quickly.
- kortilla 2y ago> Allowing random people to pilot robots in your house with children around? Absolutely horrific. Your risk analysis on this is completely wrong. If there is some vetting here this is fine. No different than a babysitter or a handyman off the Internet
- defrost 2y agoYou're saying then that tools exist to scan and ping all babysiters and handymen across the globe, fingerprint them for version, lookup zero-days, apply them to matching staff, exploit that to monitor children remotely, and take control over home assistants function to shepard children out the door to a "party van" ? That's the ecosystem that surrounds most actual IoT devices - I can't see home robots being any different.
- whoIsYou 2y agoor you even have a single driver in charge of 20 vehicles, waiting for one of them to encounter a situation the system can't handle automatically
- nnurmanov 2y agoHopefully, they will check for overemployment before allowing them to remotely control, otherwise we end up with one operator controlling several cars. I don’t know if it is good or bad
- ethagknight 2y agoTo be honest, the autonomous control of the robot seems like the easier part of the equation. (doing it safely in a room with guests, unguided... thats another matter). The physical limitations and packaging are a big challenge, and I dont think I saw Optimus lift anything remotely heavy.. just pull a beer tap.. a decision that probably speaks volumes about current limits of the technology. To apply my first point to reality: put an Optimus in its current state/capability, on a commercial 0-turn lawn mower, plug Optimus into the mower's power takeoff, and have someone in another country remotely pilot the mower. That right there is worth every commercial lawn service having at least one on their crew TODAY. The appeal of hot swapping an operator real time on the equipment you already own, whether it's a push lawn mower or a huge mining truck, provides enormous value right out of the gate. Especially in tasks where the Optimus can handle 90% of the task autonomously but needs to step aside or oversight for the last 10% of the job. Compare to a business model that requires purchase of all new very expensive and unique equipment.
- wslh 2y ago> To be honest, the autonomous control of the robot seems like the easier part of the equation. I agree but it is frustrating watching Elon like Michael Copperfield but thinking it is real like a 4 year old. I don't see a clear advantage of Tesla against other competitors if he will launch it in a couple of years.
- Philadelphia 2y agoDavid Copperfield is the magician’s name, if that’s who you meant
- wslh 2y agoYes, my fault! Thanks! David Copperfield, the illusionist.
- jvanderbot 2y agoI've worked in robotics for over 10 years, at state of the art labs and high quality startups. There are really only two hard problems in robotics: Perception and Funding. Perception, especially around a bunch of people, with depth, mapping, understanding traffic and gestures, all in real time etc etc will be a huge problem for these machines for a while. Funding though? I doubt that's an issue right now.
- drdaeman 2y agohttps://archive.is/mds9I https://archive.is/mds9I
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- b0sk 2y agoActually, I won't be surprised if it turns out that the 40 or so cybercabs were remote-controlled too.
- batch12 2y agoMaybe that's the realistic future of 'self-driving' cars. A teledriver-assisted automous car. It just moves the cab driver from behind the wheel to behind a screen somewhere else.
- ratedgene 2y agothey already have that, it's called human-in-the-loop (HITL) assist. They usually take over when a problem needs to be escalated to a human agent.
- ilaksh 2y agoWaymo has been demonstrating fully self driving cars for years. Teslas also do it, and truly necessary interventions are rare these days.
- pclmulqdq 2y agoWaymos have some very advanced teledriving features, and it's not clear to me how often the human is involved when you ride a Waymo. I sort of hope that it's not that often, but I also thought the amazon store was automated.
- AlotOfReading 2y agoWaymo vehicles are not driven remotely. Remote assistants give the autonomy stack suggestions for how to proceed rather than drive the vehicle. This doesn't require a low latency connection and the robot is still capable of stopping when the situation changes or proceeding as soon as it's able to without a control handover.
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- m463 2y ago... "This is awful! This is nothing like the Hell I visited two weeks ago!" Bill Gates responded. "I can't believe this! What happened to that other place, with the beautiful beaches, the beautiful women playing in the water!?" "That was a demo," replied St. Peter. also ED-209 from robocop, "You have 20 seconds to comply."
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- beambot 2y agoReminiscent of Nikola's semi truck demonstration...
- sidibe 2y agoOr Teslas "battery swap" event which actually helped them earn them a huge amount of subsidies from the government. Watching after understanding Elons m.o. it is clearly fake or how else would they have a planned demo on stage with cameras that aren't positioned to show anything that's going on and then that tech they developed was never heard from again. They just distracted the crowd with a video of someone filling up at a gas station
- iknowstuff 2y agothey did have a swapping station in CA they built to get the subsidy. it wasnt fake, just pointless
- mike503 2y agoI was assuming that the robots at the Sphere also had some humans behind it if nothing more than to help "guide" the AI pieces. My assumption, at least.
- jimjimjim 2y agoMechanical Turk Robotaxis! The civilian version of drone pilots.
- chasing 2y agoNo shit.
- Blackthorn 2y agoArtificial artificial intelligence.
- chollida1 2y agoThat event was a huge disappointment. It's clear that Elon didn't consider it to be that important and didn't put any real effort into it. There was nothing an investor could look at and get excited about, it was the same thing as he announced 5 years ago. Just now his self driving cars have been eclipsed by Waymo and cruise seems to have caught up to what they can do with their demos. And why show the robots at all if they were just remote controlled by employees.
- standardUser 2y agoThe fact that Waymo has lapped anything Musk has to offer made the entire spectacle cringey and sad.
- slimebot80 2y agoIt's all about controlling money that might go to more honest ventures. Yes, humanity has engineers who are going to the moon, creating robots, investigating brain interfaces, improving public transport with buses and tunnels. And there will always be monorail salesmen who try to soak up those investments, taking away from others.
- throaway920181 2y ago> And there will always be monorail salesmen who try to soak up those investments, taking away from others. And Boring Company salesmen...
- KingOfCoders 2y agoIt's all about creating a high stock price, then take out a loan on the stock, and have a nice life.
- mmooss 2y agoMusk needs a high stock price and a loan?
- tacticus 2y agoyes. to cover the other loans he has.
- KingOfCoders 2y agoYes that is usually the way things go for rich people. They have an asset and take out a loan against the asset (e.g. stocks). Say $10M. This does not count as income. Then they spend the money on what they want and refinance the loan with another loan, say $20M on their grown assets. Then you spend more money, again with no income, so no taxes. When the asset goes up, you refinance. When the assets crash, banks can have the assets. Again, you've spent the money without income. One of the many tax "avoidance" schemes (this one is for income, others are for inheritance tax or VAT avoidance) of very rich people (those with no real income, not professionals with very high income). You can read about it e.g. in the leftwing-marxist-propaganda Forbes Magazin: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnhyatt/2021/11/11/how-americas-richest-people-larry-ellison-elon-musk-can-access-billions-without-selling-their-stock/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnhyatt/2021/11/11/how-americ... When you die, you never pay back the money, the strategy is called "Buy, Borrow, Die" for a reason: https://smartasset.com/investing/buy-borrow-die-how-the-rich-avoid-taxes https://smartasset.com/investing/buy-borrow-die-how-the-rich...
- vardump 2y agoI think it was fairly obvious from the show that the Optimus bots were remotely operated. Not like they tried to hide it at all. Just listen to the responses of the bots, they practically admitted that. The cars, however, were almost certainly running the latest FSD (or some near future unreleased version).
- ratedgene 2y agoBut they did try to hide it. It's in some videos where one of them was trying not to admit they were remotely controlled and that "probably some AI is used"
- vardump 2y agoI read that "probably some AI is used" as that it's human controlled. Otherwise it would have been "completely AI controlled" or something similar. I think "AI" did control their walking. Although calling that AI is probably a stretch.
- mewpmewp2 2y agoBalancing or some movement mechanisms could be using AI.
- oblio 2y agoWhy would they, though? Aren't those doable just with flat our regular code plus isn't AI slow?
- ponty_rick 2y agoAI is a pretty broad term - its been used for generations to mean something intelligent seeming that isn't human. Certainly, computers running precompiled instructions also falls in that category.
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- consumer451 2y agoWhat does everyone think about 1X's NEO? [0] They began from the idea of compliant robotics,[1] which seems to me to be a requirement for safe operation in proximity to humans. Did Tesla make attendees sign a hefty liability waiver, since Optimus is not a compliant robot, or did they address the inherent problems some other way? [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUrLuUxv9gE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUrLuUxv9gE (also remote controlled for now, while being trained) [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6LMPXRdVc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6LMPXRdVc [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_robotics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_robotics
- modeless 2y agoEach robot had several human escorts, and the robots were limited to slow walking and a few slow hand gestures. The only danger would be if one fell over. 1x NEO looks awesome and far more advanced than this version of Optimus. I'm bullish on 1x. Tesla has a manufacturing advantage though. There were 50 units of Optimus at the event and I expect that there are only a few fully working units of NEO made so far. Also, Optimus has been improving quickly. It's possible Tesla could catch up in a few generations.
- mplewis 2y agoA few generations of what, pretending their robots work?
- modeless 2y agoHonestly, I don't know why I bother continuing to engage here. HN community, is this the quality of discourse you want to encourage?
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- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41815567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41815567
- metadat 2y agoHey Chris, thanks for your continued diligence. This is actually a recent and related discussion, as the duplicate status suggests the same article has been posted twice (e.g. slightly altering a URL parameter to escape the HN dupe-detector). P.s. If you found the content in one article to be better than another, it would be helpful to steer folks towards the more informative one. In this case, the above Bloomberg article is pretty substantial compared to the one you've linked as a "dupe". Take care.
- ChrisArchitect 2y agoDupe means duplicate discussion. There is an earlier discussion on this news story with plenty of upvotes and comments. Stop splitting up the threads, especially when it's a news story already developed from multiple days ago. Got something to add? Share it over there. Even maybe suggest the link over there in some cases even as a replacement article option. Stop splitting up threads and forcing us to repeat ourselves over and over. The discussion is over there.
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- modeless 2y agoTesla was not trying to hide this. The robots were telling anyone who asked that humans were helping control them. Unlike the robotaxis, which were explicitly advertised as autonomous.
- pclmulqdq 2y agoSaying otherwise when directly asked would have been an open-and-shut case of securities fraud. They still didn't widely disclose this.
- foobiekr 2y agoThey didn’t say the extent of the control and the event was engineered to lead people to conclude human involvement was minor.
- gitaarik 2y agoSo these robots are not supposed to be autonomous?
- nomel 2y agoThey’re prototype mechanisms that don’t have any sort of significant AI yet. Them having AI was never claimed. They’re shells, with (as shown) extremely fluid control systems, with the smarts to drive them still in development, all of it for a whopping three years now.
- oblio 2y agoAwesome, now show me where is the article coverage (which is generally paid PR) that states this upfront and clearly.
- slg 2y agoHow is stuff like this not considered fraud? This seems much worse to me than Musk's usual Tesla lies in which he is predicting some future capability. At least there is an argument that Musk believed it those at the time he said them or that they were optimistically possible despite being impractical. This seems to be material misrepresentation of the viability of one of the company's core R&D projects that Musk claims "will be the biggest product ever".
- _ea1k 2y agoQuite a few people at the event asked employees about this and were directly given the answer. It wasn't a secret.
- standardUser 2y agoThe fact that the fraud was lazy and blatant makes it worse, not better.
- jkestner 2y agoLess lazy than a dancer in a skin tight robot suit. Progress!
- slg 2y agoWere you at the event or do you have a source for that claim? I have seen video of one of the bots refusing to give an answer to that question and there were multiple articles in the wake of the event that couldn't come to any definitive conclusion so I'm skeptical of this claim of immediate transparency.
- silisili 2y agoIs this the video you saw (posting below, for you and anyone who hasn't seen it). While ignoring the question the first time, he did confirm that they were being assisted by a human. Perhaps not as clear as 'remotely operated', but that's about how I took the answer. YMMV. https://x.com/zhen9436/status/1844773471240294651 https://x.com/zhen9436/status/1844773471240294651
- rvz 2y agoI mean, that should have been obvious to anyone after calling it: [0] The 'fake it till you make it' fraud will just make everyone building so-called AI companies look bad and heavily faked with events like this. But there is still time for the Theranos of AI to reveal themselves. (It is not Tesla Inc.) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41805764 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41805764
- jsemrau 2y agoFigure 01 does the same thing.
- Animats 2y agoThat was obvious to anyone with any experience with real-world robots. Nice piece of machinery, though. Boston Dynamics' humanoids were clunky electrohydraulic mechanisms borrowed from their horse-type robots. All-electric is now possible and much simpler. Schatft was the first to get this working, and they had to liquid-cool the motors. Don't know if Tesla has to liquid cool. They do that in the cars, so they certainly understand liquid-cooled electric motors. I suspect that body balance and possibly walking were automated. It's hard to balance a teleoperated robot manually, and robotic biped balancing has been working for years now.
- rlt 2y agoI heard the initial walk out was fully automated.
- beezlewax 2y agoWhere did you hear that?
- tim333 2y agoWhile I didn't hear anything, I think the walk control would have to be local circuitry. I can't see how a remote operator could sense balance and do all the leg movements. You can see a Tesla upper body controller here. Not sure if it's what they used for the event, but probably something like that. https://x.com/TroyTeslike/status/1845047695284613344 https://x.com/TroyTeslike/status/1845047695284613344
- Animats 2y agoI suspect that the upper body is teleoperated, while the locomotion system is self-balancing and driven around with a joystick. Reaction of the stock market to Tesla's "demo" was very negative. TSLA stock dropped about 10% immediately after the demo and has been flat since.[1] [1] https://www.bing.com/search?&q=TSLA+stock https://www.bing.com/search?&q=TSLA+stock
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- hedora 2y agoI love all the "the fraud was so blatant it should have been obvious" comments. Musk actually used this argument in his stock price manipulation trial, and the jury bought it.
- bentt 2y agoIf I worked on Optimus I would be so angry about the decision to so this. Now nobody will trust the brand or the product. Stupid.
- paulryanrogers 2y agoAre Elon companies known for being trustworthy in marketing? If they ever were that should have ended when FSD was first 'delivered'. With a possible carve out for SpaceX?
- bentt 2y agoThis feels different. It’s deception not overpromising or being late. It’s like if one day FSD drivers found out there was a human on the other end. I wouldn’t be shocked if there were now.
- dyauspitr 2y agoI don’t know. Despite being remotely controlled, their movements were smooth and human like. I mean it’s literal untethered bipedal robots walking around in the midst of a party. It’s already pretty incredible in my opinion and can only go up from here.
- lefrenchy 2y agoIt’s so funny to me when people still believe Elon when it comes to this or deadlines. I used to work for him and he always overpromises Friendly reminder that in 2017 he was saying a car would drive autonomously from LA to NY in a year. It is now 2024 and that has not happened. Friendly reminder that Tesla Semis are still not fully delivered and running. Friendly reminder that the Roadster 2 is not rolling off the production line (people put down deposits too)!
- resters 2y agoIt's perplexing because Elon is effective at fundraising and pursuing challenging and ambitious goals. However now Tesla cars are protected by a 100% tariff on competitors, and Elon is campaigning for Trump who is now promising 200% tariffs on imported goods. The gigapress sounded like a good idea when I first heard about it bc it could reduce manufacturing costs, yet Tesla does not seem to have realized any significant improvements in 2024 from it, and needs massive protectionist policies to compete. It's interesting to imagine the price and performance we'd be seeing (and all the new dealerships and service centers popping up) of Chinese engineered and manufactured EVs if it weren't for the tariffs. Surely there would be some very capable options in the $20K range that would eat the Model 3's lunch. But Elon has government protection to the rescue and so he doesn't have to actually win at engineering or manufacturing, only lobbying.
- nomel 2y agoYou’re simplifying things a bit here. The tariffs are to protect all US car manufacturers (who all have EV directives) from BYD, who was strategically subsidized by the government to crush EV companies, including Tesla [1]. Tesla would be able to compete much easier if we were to throw out the environmental regulations and better utilize slave labor [2]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-10/byd-got-3-4-billion-chinese-aid-to-dominate-evs-study-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-10/byd-got-3... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/20/business/economy/forced-labor-china-supply-chain.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/20/business/economy/forced-l...
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- TeeWEE 2y agoThis results in me trusting Tesla less. If this was fake, how do we know the robovans were not remotely operated? They might as well be too to get the stock price up? There is no way to know. I am really doubting Tesla now. It wouldn’t surprise me that, in order to prevent mishaps during the event, everything is remotely operated… People will say: that’s not true. But where did Tesla clearly specify this upfront? I saw the initial fullscreen disclaimer. But that might also apply to the robovans right?
- block_dagger 2y agoAfter reading the Isaacson biography, it’s clear to me Elon is not a stable or trustworthy person. The evidence continues to mount.
- trog 2y agoafter reading the actual words he writes himself and publishes them for the world to see I came to the same conclusion
- ActionHank 2y agoWhen people tell you who they are, listen.
- zo1 2y agoI find this thread disturbing, and with 0 examples as to why you guys think that about him. Like what are these things he's written and said.
- philistine 2y agoDo you think you look convincing, trying to pretend you're not aware of Elon Musk's reputation? He's literally the richest person on Earth. It's as if you're pretending you don't know what Santa Claus is about. I've heard of Santa Claus, but what does he do exactly?
- gigel82 2y agoWasn't the last presentation just some dudes in spandex outfits? So... progress, I guess?
- jprd 2y agoI'd like to just say that Gwynne Shotwell might be one of the best executives in the world. Shotwell has SpaceX catching rockets with chopsticks, while being able to keep Elon from f*cking it all up by "sleeping on the factory floor" or whatever other stunt he is pulling. Tesla looks like a complete stock fraud sham for at least 5+ years (remember buying SolarCity because cousins?), then Boring and, Le Sigh. Dude literally did a "We, Robot" event and then copied the "I, Robot" movie designs. He isn't even trying anymore, this is just his "rocket fuel" scam for whatever other shiny object he desires. I'm super frustrated that someone set "good" things in motion, and we are letting them Mullenweg it all up.
- thatguymike 2y agoCome on, isn't this obvious? There's no way in crap they were fully autonomous, and I don't think anyone ever claimed that they were. In fact there's multiple examples of them saying "I am remote operated" when asked. And that doesn't in any way take away from the fact that it's damn cool that they went from "guy in spandex suit" to a walking, dextrous, low latency telepresence robot in a few years. I hate Musk's new politics (which is obviously what this is all about) but I feel bad for the engineers involved: I suspect everyone was stoked to show off their impressive progress, and a few marketing people decided to under-emphasize the telepresence and made them all look like jerks.
- pcchristie 2y agoI might be an idiot but it wasn't obvious to me. Watching the demo of the robot standing stationary, responding to a customer ask for (and point to) cellophane bags of chocolate and then the robot grab and pass it to the customer seemed like a reasonable tech demo to show at an event like this and it impressed me.
- thatguymike 2y agoYeah but they had the robots hi-fiving, pouring drinks on demand, chatting, playing rock paper scissors... fair enough you could get that idea if you only watched a very small amount of video, but that doesn't equate to Elon Musk hiding things from you.
- two_handfuls 2y agoThere was no announcement that the robots were autonomous. So it follows that they were not. There wasn't really misrepresentation here, at least as far as the ro ots are concerned.
- inquisitor27552 2y agoman these demos are synonimous to slides and mockups by startup founders. they are intended to paint the probable future, the ideal end game user experience. lots of people confuse it as the shippable product already. no sir, it's not like that.
- schainks 2y agoAm I missing something or was the point for those robots to be human controlled? Tesla is trying to have disposable body parts that are remotely controlled so their workers get hurt less often due to RSI or other assembly line accidents. It’s not like they’ll fix their safety culture if the occasional robot destruction keeps volume up and injuries down.
- nomel 2y agoReference? Them being eventually autonomous has been covered in the events and his talks about the eventual AI that will drive them.
- schainks 2y agoNo reference, this is my personal hypothesis. Tesla still needs to squeeze profit out of all this R&D. Eventually AI eventually could take over, sure. What I see today is they can have humans control the robots for tasks that can easily injure humans.
- robomartin 2y agoDemos from just-about every single humanoid robot company are highly scripted and teleoperated (telechirs). Nothing new here. Generally speaking, the only demos that are not of the scripted and human-in-the-loop kind are simple ones. Even food delivery robots have remote drivers. Warehouse and floor cleaning robots are probably the two main examples of reasonably autonomous operation in a relatively constrained environment. Welding and assembly robots just play back a script, not unlike a CNC machine.
- comfysocks 2y agoIt seemed to me the goal of the event was to make people imagine a dazzling sci-fi future from a schoolboy’s imagination, and not notice that the demo didn’t show much proof of technical advancement in automated driving.
- monkeydust 2y agoParking the obvious sentiment here which I agree with. Is there a market for human controlled robots like this ?
- josefritzishere 2y agoseems like fraud in retrospect
- sagebird 2y agoThe optimus bots seemed laggy. I thought the non verbal communication really suffered compared to a human using fingers and eye contact. The smoothness of the optimus movement was at odds with human movement - delicately but quickly darting around. When a human makes eye contact with you and signals something with their hands - it is so responsive that you are certain that they are talking to you. With the robots, it was ambiguous. Did someone put a low pass on the movements on top of a laggy remote control loop?