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Most annoying problems so far.. 1. Screen-recording permission once every week ? 2. No more sudo spctl —master-disable. Alternative way is bit complicated. 2

Most annoying problems so far.. 1. Screen-recording permission once every week ? 2. No more sudo spctl —master-disable. Alternative way is bit complicated. 2. No more control+ click to bypass gatekeeper. 3. Why tcutil reset Accessibility not working for a specific app? It works for “All” . 4. Script to convert NSURL node ref url to posix url not working. 5. Normal usb Mouse pointer acceleration is not smooth. May be need to re tweak those again. Anything else ? Otherwise all good.

lostmsu 2y ago
Screen recording breaks remote access apps
- wlesieutre 2y ago
  There's a separate entitlement used for remote access software without the repeated prompts (com.apple.developer.persistent-content-capture), so you basically need Apple's permission to build that category of software now, and open source remote access software is not possible. So the category of software will still have some working entries (existing players will try to get approved, and probably will), but it's hard to imagine anyone will want to build a new one knowing its viability on modern macOS completely depends on filling out a form and hoping Apple's approval bureaucracy likes you. Anyone who's used these unusually locked down entitlements know whether you can apply for it before building the software, or if App Review needs to have their hands on something functional first to approve it?
  - antfie 2y ago
    In my experience the app submission needs to be fully functional and then it will be rejected for this reason.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
Hamuko 2y ago
Apple locking down the OS even more by making Gatekeeper harder to bypass makes me want to skip this version for as long as possible. The screen recording permission thing also doesn't help since I'm using Ice (https://github.com/jordanbaird/Ice https://github.com/jordanbaird/Ice) because somehow Apple still can't Sherlock this feature.
- user3939382 2y ago
  The way it's even implemented now is like the nightmare realized from everything Richard Stallman warned about for decades. Especially for non-technical users, they've practically implemented a system where Apple decides what software you are and aren't allowed to run on your own computer. They can muddy the issue by claiming it's for safety/security but I don't buy it. They could have made the override still clear but much easier to access.
  - adastra22 2y ago
    Anything you compile on your own system you can run. This only affects downloaded binaries.
    - IshKebab 2y ago
      Thanks for confirming the nightmare.
      - steve_adams_86 2y ago
        I mean, you can download source if you want to run it. It isn’t a complete nightmare yet. I think we’re still in a grey area. This will help some people still, though it’ll definitely hinder others (myself included). Once you need to be in the apple developer program to build and run from source or something, that’ll be a legitimate nightmare. But we’re nowhere near that yet.
        skrrtww 2y ago
n42 2y ago
> No more control+ click to bypass gatekeeper Can someone expand on this? How do you run software that isn't code signed?
- crindy 2y ago
  Before this update you could hold control and click the application, then select "open" from the menu. It would give you a warning and let you confirm you'd like to run it anyway.
- givinguflac 2y ago
  From the same place is system security settings you could always approve it, bummer about ctrl click though.
- frankjr 2y ago
  > The right-click/control-click option for easily opening unsigned apps is no longer available. Users who want to open unsigned software will now need to go the long way around to do it: first, try to launch the app and dismiss the dialog box telling you that it can't be opened. Then, open Settings, go to the Privacy & Security screen, scroll all the way to the bottom to get to the Security section, and click the Open Anyway button that appears for the last unsigned app you tried to run. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/macos-15-sequoia-makes-you-jump-through-more-hoops-to-disable-gatekeeper-app-checks/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/macos-15-sequoia-mak...
  - weaksauce 2y ago
    at least it's still possible (and maybe more accessible) if not a bit more inconvenient. the ctrl-click thing was kinda a hidden feature.
    - whywhywhywhy 2y ago
      lets stop pretending this is anything other than trying to make apps that don't pay $100 a year feel scary.
deergomoo 2y ago
I’m having difficulties with the keyboard shortcuts for the new window snapping stuff. My desk keyboard doesn’t have a Globe key (like most non-Apple keyboards), but the shortcuts don’t work with Caps Lock remapped to Globe. It doesn’t work with the MacBook’s built-in keyboard either, so I think it’s a bug rather than an issue with my keyboard.
- josephd79 2y ago
  aerospace tiling app is the bees knees.
ericol 2y ago
Thank you for this. I'm not an advanced user but I do use some advanced features, and having to fight the OS in order for it to make what I want is not in my list of desirable "features". Will delay this update as long as possible.
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
  > macOS Sequoia, the latest version of the world’s most advanced desktop operating system. From their opening sentence in that press release. Lol.
clumsysmurf 2y ago
Seems that bclm no longer works https://github.com/zackelia/bclm/issues/49 https://github.com/zackelia/bclm/issues/49 I had to start using it because macOS insisted on keeping my battery charged to 100% no matter what I did, and that can damage the battery.
- clumsysmurf 2y ago
  Edit: Seems like its also broken on 14.7 now, battery went straight to 100%.
- illiac786 2y ago
  Doesn’t optimised charging ensure it’s not always at 100% natively? Additionally, AlDente is even better than the native battery management.
  - clumsysmurf 2y ago
    When I first got my M1 mac, optimized charging worked OK. Eventually it would settle at 80%. But since macOS 14.6-15.0, it's always charging to 100% and staying there no matter what. Luckily, I gave 'battery toolkit' a try, and it has been working great: https://github.com/mhaeuser/Battery-Toolkit https://github.com/mhaeuser/Battery-Toolkit
kemayo 2y ago
> 1. Screen-recording permission once every week ? Every month. (Which is still annoying, but not the raw level of frustration that weekly would be.)
- gorkish 2y ago
  Do you still have to quit and restart the entire application after you give the permission? Holy shit mac users are gonna become a meme in meetings. MacOS is turning into quite the poo log lately. I respect that Apple has every right to completely destroy the legacy of the Macintosh, but they are slow playing it so that it's just a little bit better than the alternatives. The end result is my life gets just a little bit more difficult with every release. I feel like the freaking frog on the stove while the water slowly heats up. When is it time to jump out?
  - Elidrake24 2y ago
    You do not, providing you have given permission previously. Most Video Conferencing solutions have you test your hardware prior to joining a call, so shouldn't be an invasive issue.
  - iknowstuff 2y ago
    Lol calm down its only for apps which failed to upgrade to their new window selector API.
    - gcr 2y ago
      Which major apps (chrome, google meet, zoom, tuple) have actually done so yet?
      - nl 2y ago
        Zoom and Chrome both seem fine
    - jonathanyc 2y ago
      Ironically, the last time I checked, the built in screencapture command-line program hadn’t been updated to use ScreenCaptureKit yet. The company I was contracting for ended up shelling out to it because its window picking UX was a lot better than ScreenCapureKit’s. (You can’t do this if you’re sandboxed, though, AFAIK).
nailer 2y ago
Is there some way to get things like strace working? Recently it's got weird and strange with the OS protecting me from myself. Or content makers from me breaking their DRM. Or something. Some app tries to open a file and fails. Doesn't tell me what the file name is. I just want to see the open() call.
- semiquaver 2y ago
  Presumably you mean dtrace? strace is a Linux thing. dtrace should still work but you need to disable SIP first.
  - nailer 2y ago
    No I mean strace. There’s no need to learn D just to see syscalls.
iknowstuff 2y ago
the permission for screen access is only for apps that failed to start using the new API where the OS lets the user select a window/screen they want to share.
- lostmsu 2y ago
  Can I do it once and for all, or will I have to do it every time? I bet I know the answer. Did this conveniently break Rewind AI?
  - threecheese 2y ago
    Not sure if it is broken, but I took the opportunity when upgrading today to say No and just disable it. The product is EOL anyway, there are a few upstarts in the open source world, and I am hoping the best for Apples on-device SLMs (or oss ones) mooting the requirement for OpenAI.
    - lostmsu 2y ago
      What do you mean EOL? I see nothing of the sort on their website.
- gcr 2y ago
  again, i keep asking: which apps have actually switched to the new screen sharing API and which apps have not? does zoom, chrome, google meet, etc still require this?
  - gareim 2y ago
    You sound entitled, phrasing it that way. No one owes you an answer here. Discord updated to the new API already, as one example.
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    Of all the apps I use that record my screen, literally all of them have updated to this new API ages ago. That includes Discord, Slack, Teams, Zoom, FaceTime, OBS, and Safari. I want to say that Firefox has as well but can't remember for certain.
gcr 2y ago
How do you bypass gatekeeper now? How often do you have to re-authenticate your existing binaries?
- ezfe 2y ago
  The official way, which is by going to the Privacy & Security screen to click the override button
  - kccqzy 2y ago
    No the official way is the control-click. It was suggested by Apple in the UI of System Preferences back in the Mountain Lion days. https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gatekeeper-anywhere-warning-big.png https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gatek...
    - ezfe 2y ago
      Okay, in Mountain Lion sure. However that phrasing has not been around for a while.
robinsonrc 2y ago
macOS is very gradually moving in the wrong direction for me. I never really saw myself considering desktop Linux again but I’m almost starting to get excited by the idea. For now I’ll just hold off on the update as none of it seems particularly compelling, especially as a happy Rectangle user (with all its key bindings nicely isolated from macOS preferences and synced along with the rest of my dotfiles)
- thisislife2 2y ago
  The iShittification of the Mac platform continues ... I predicted this a long time ago when Apple released its first Mac mini with soldered SSD. Then the ones with security chip. And now we have soldered RAM + SSD behind a custom SoC that can only run macOS (yes, it is a macOS only system despite the PR of "ARM Linux / xBSD on M1+" because all these are crippled version of OS that cannot fully exploit the hardware because there are no literature on it for system developers, and they have to literally reverse engineer at a slow pace to make the OS run on it). As the hardware iShittification continued, macOS too was also being slowly stripped of features to ensure Apple controlled your data and what you could run on it. Support for independent Kernel extension (outside of Apple's control) was removed mainly to cripple existing independent Application Firewall and virtualisation software. Apple-made OS APIs for these were integrated to the newer macOS and offered as replacement to ensure Apple controlled how Application Firewalls and Virtualisations should / would work on macOS. (Such restriction on the kernel extensions for independent system developers is also meant to prevent support for other filesystem, like ZFS for example - the OpenZFS project is maturing fast on Linux, Windows and macOS and can be a game changer as its usage has the potential to "free" our data from a closed and controlling ecosystem, to be used on any platform of our choice. Whether you are a developer or a user, a "consumer relationship" with Apple feels like a relationship with a controlling and abusive spouse who repeatedly gaslights you that you are imagining things and are the one at fault because "you just don't understand them".
- rahen 2y ago
  I feel the same and decided my next update would be to Asahi (Fedora or Ubuntu). I switched from Linux to macOS a few years ago, but I never really felt like I was the target user for this environment. It always feels like I have to adapt to the walled garden of Apple's ecosystem, rather than it adapting to me.
raxxorraxor 2y ago
This sounds like enshitification and transforming MacOS to its far more useless cousin iOS. Is the gist of it that it got locked down more?

lostmsu 2y ago

Screen recording breaks remote access apps

wlesieutre 2y ago
There's a separate entitlement used for remote access software without the repeated prompts (com.apple.developer.persistent-content-capture), so you basically need Apple's permission to build that category of software now, and open source remote access software is not possible. So the category of software will still have some working entries (existing players will try to get approved, and probably will), but it's hard to imagine anyone will want to build a new one knowing its viability on modern macOS completely depends on filling out a form and hoping Apple's approval bureaucracy likes you. Anyone who's used these unusually locked down entitlements know whether you can apply for it before building the software, or if App Review needs to have their hands on something functional first to approve it?
- antfie 2y ago
  In my experience the app submission needs to be fully functional and then it will be rejected for this reason.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

Hamuko 2y ago

Apple locking down the OS even more by making Gatekeeper harder to bypass makes me want to skip this version for as long as possible. The screen recording permission thing also doesn't help since I'm using Ice (https://github.com/jordanbaird/Ice https://github.com/jordanbaird/Ice) because somehow Apple still can't Sherlock this feature.

user3939382 2y ago
The way it's even implemented now is like the nightmare realized from everything Richard Stallman warned about for decades. Especially for non-technical users, they've practically implemented a system where Apple decides what software you are and aren't allowed to run on your own computer. They can muddy the issue by claiming it's for safety/security but I don't buy it. They could have made the override still clear but much easier to access.
- adastra22 2y ago
  Anything you compile on your own system you can run. This only affects downloaded binaries.
  - IshKebab 2y ago
    Thanks for confirming the nightmare.
    - steve_adams_86 2y ago
      I mean, you can download source if you want to run it. It isn’t a complete nightmare yet. I think we’re still in a grey area. This will help some people still, though it’ll definitely hinder others (myself included). Once you need to be in the apple developer program to build and run from source or something, that’ll be a legitimate nightmare. But we’re nowhere near that yet.
      - skrrtww 2y ago

n42 2y ago

> No more control+ click to bypass gatekeeper Can someone expand on this? How do you run software that isn't code signed?

crindy 2y ago
Before this update you could hold control and click the application, then select "open" from the menu. It would give you a warning and let you confirm you'd like to run it anyway.
givinguflac 2y ago
From the same place is system security settings you could always approve it, bummer about ctrl click though.
frankjr 2y ago
> The right-click/control-click option for easily opening unsigned apps is no longer available. Users who want to open unsigned software will now need to go the long way around to do it: first, try to launch the app and dismiss the dialog box telling you that it can't be opened. Then, open Settings, go to the Privacy & Security screen, scroll all the way to the bottom to get to the Security section, and click the Open Anyway button that appears for the last unsigned app you tried to run. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/macos-15-sequoia-makes-you-jump-through-more-hoops-to-disable-gatekeeper-app-checks/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/macos-15-sequoia-mak...
- weaksauce 2y ago
  at least it's still possible (and maybe more accessible) if not a bit more inconvenient. the ctrl-click thing was kinda a hidden feature.
  - whywhywhywhy 2y ago
    lets stop pretending this is anything other than trying to make apps that don't pay $100 a year feel scary.

deergomoo 2y ago

I’m having difficulties with the keyboard shortcuts for the new window snapping stuff. My desk keyboard doesn’t have a Globe key (like most non-Apple keyboards), but the shortcuts don’t work with Caps Lock remapped to Globe. It doesn’t work with the MacBook’s built-in keyboard either, so I think it’s a bug rather than an issue with my keyboard.

josephd79 2y ago
aerospace tiling app is the bees knees.

ericol 2y ago

Thank you for this. I'm not an advanced user but I do use some advanced features, and having to fight the OS in order for it to make what I want is not in my list of desirable "features". Will delay this update as long as possible.

ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
> macOS Sequoia, the latest version of the world’s most advanced desktop operating system. From their opening sentence in that press release. Lol.

clumsysmurf 2y ago

Seems that bclm no longer works https://github.com/zackelia/bclm/issues/49 https://github.com/zackelia/bclm/issues/49 I had to start using it because macOS insisted on keeping my battery charged to 100% no matter what I did, and that can damage the battery.

clumsysmurf 2y ago
Edit: Seems like its also broken on 14.7 now, battery went straight to 100%.
illiac786 2y ago
Doesn’t optimised charging ensure it’s not always at 100% natively? Additionally, AlDente is even better than the native battery management.
- clumsysmurf 2y ago
  When I first got my M1 mac, optimized charging worked OK. Eventually it would settle at 80%. But since macOS 14.6-15.0, it's always charging to 100% and staying there no matter what. Luckily, I gave 'battery toolkit' a try, and it has been working great: https://github.com/mhaeuser/Battery-Toolkit https://github.com/mhaeuser/Battery-Toolkit

kemayo 2y ago

> 1. Screen-recording permission once every week ? Every month. (Which is still annoying, but not the raw level of frustration that weekly would be.)

gorkish 2y ago
Do you still have to quit and restart the entire application after you give the permission? Holy shit mac users are gonna become a meme in meetings. MacOS is turning into quite the poo log lately. I respect that Apple has every right to completely destroy the legacy of the Macintosh, but they are slow playing it so that it's just a little bit better than the alternatives. The end result is my life gets just a little bit more difficult with every release. I feel like the freaking frog on the stove while the water slowly heats up. When is it time to jump out?
- Elidrake24 2y ago
  You do not, providing you have given permission previously. Most Video Conferencing solutions have you test your hardware prior to joining a call, so shouldn't be an invasive issue.
- iknowstuff 2y ago
  Lol calm down its only for apps which failed to upgrade to their new window selector API.
  - gcr 2y ago
    Which major apps (chrome, google meet, zoom, tuple) have actually done so yet?
    - nl 2y ago
      Zoom and Chrome both seem fine
  - jonathanyc 2y ago
    Ironically, the last time I checked, the built in screencapture command-line program hadn’t been updated to use ScreenCaptureKit yet. The company I was contracting for ended up shelling out to it because its window picking UX was a lot better than ScreenCapureKit’s. (You can’t do this if you’re sandboxed, though, AFAIK).

nailer 2y ago

Is there some way to get things like strace working? Recently it's got weird and strange with the OS protecting me from myself. Or content makers from me breaking their DRM. Or something. Some app tries to open a file and fails. Doesn't tell me what the file name is. I just want to see the open() call.

semiquaver 2y ago
Presumably you mean dtrace? strace is a Linux thing. dtrace should still work but you need to disable SIP first.
- nailer 2y ago
  No I mean strace. There’s no need to learn D just to see syscalls.

iknowstuff 2y ago

the permission for screen access is only for apps that failed to start using the new API where the OS lets the user select a window/screen they want to share.

lostmsu 2y ago
Can I do it once and for all, or will I have to do it every time? I bet I know the answer. Did this conveniently break Rewind AI?
- threecheese 2y ago
  Not sure if it is broken, but I took the opportunity when upgrading today to say No and just disable it. The product is EOL anyway, there are a few upstarts in the open source world, and I am hoping the best for Apples on-device SLMs (or oss ones) mooting the requirement for OpenAI.
  - lostmsu 2y ago
    What do you mean EOL? I see nothing of the sort on their website.
gcr 2y ago
again, i keep asking: which apps have actually switched to the new screen sharing API and which apps have not? does zoom, chrome, google meet, etc still require this?
- gareim 2y ago
  You sound entitled, phrasing it that way. No one owes you an answer here. Discord updated to the new API already, as one example.
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  Of all the apps I use that record my screen, literally all of them have updated to this new API ages ago. That includes Discord, Slack, Teams, Zoom, FaceTime, OBS, and Safari. I want to say that Firefox has as well but can't remember for certain.

gcr 2y ago

How do you bypass gatekeeper now? How often do you have to re-authenticate your existing binaries?

ezfe 2y ago
The official way, which is by going to the Privacy & Security screen to click the override button
- kccqzy 2y ago
  No the official way is the control-click. It was suggested by Apple in the UI of System Preferences back in the Mountain Lion days. https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gatekeeper-anywhere-warning-big.png https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gatek...
  - ezfe 2y ago
    Okay, in Mountain Lion sure. However that phrasing has not been around for a while.

robinsonrc 2y ago

macOS is very gradually moving in the wrong direction for me. I never really saw myself considering desktop Linux again but I’m almost starting to get excited by the idea. For now I’ll just hold off on the update as none of it seems particularly compelling, especially as a happy Rectangle user (with all its key bindings nicely isolated from macOS preferences and synced along with the rest of my dotfiles)

thisislife2 2y ago
The iShittification of the Mac platform continues ... I predicted this a long time ago when Apple released its first Mac mini with soldered SSD. Then the ones with security chip. And now we have soldered RAM + SSD behind a custom SoC that can only run macOS (yes, it is a macOS only system despite the PR of "ARM Linux / xBSD on M1+" because all these are crippled version of OS that cannot fully exploit the hardware because there are no literature on it for system developers, and they have to literally reverse engineer at a slow pace to make the OS run on it). As the hardware iShittification continued, macOS too was also being slowly stripped of features to ensure Apple controlled your data and what you could run on it. Support for independent Kernel extension (outside of Apple's control) was removed mainly to cripple existing independent Application Firewall and virtualisation software. Apple-made OS APIs for these were integrated to the newer macOS and offered as replacement to ensure Apple controlled how Application Firewalls and Virtualisations should / would work on macOS. (Such restriction on the kernel extensions for independent system developers is also meant to prevent support for other filesystem, like ZFS for example - the OpenZFS project is maturing fast on Linux, Windows and macOS and can be a game changer as its usage has the potential to "free" our data from a closed and controlling ecosystem, to be used on any platform of our choice. Whether you are a developer or a user, a "consumer relationship" with Apple feels like a relationship with a controlling and abusive spouse who repeatedly gaslights you that you are imagining things and are the one at fault because "you just don't understand them".
rahen 2y ago
I feel the same and decided my next update would be to Asahi (Fedora or Ubuntu). I switched from Linux to macOS a few years ago, but I never really felt like I was the target user for this environment. It always feels like I have to adapt to the walled garden of Apple's ecosystem, rather than it adapting to me.

raxxorraxor 2y ago

This sounds like enshitification and transforming MacOS to its far more useless cousin iOS. Is the gist of it that it got locked down more?