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Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10
- amannm 3y ago[flagged]
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- anoncow 3y agoWhy for Business? Can consumers not buy the Surface laptop anymore?
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- denistaran 3y agoBased on a blog I read, Microsoft intends to launch these laptops for consumers at a later date, post their initial business-focused release.
- anoncow 3y agoInteresting strategy. Thanks. I think it risks decreasing the impact of the launch.
- 8K832d7tNmiQ 3y agoThe latest Surface Go 4 still sold only for business for 6 months begs to differ.
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- 7thaccount 3y ago"These new PCs represent a major step forward in customer-focused design and are packed with features that business customers have been requesting – from amazing performance and battery life to more ports, better security and custom, durable anti-reflective displays." Not sure if only sold to businesses or what. It seems like Surface is a brand name synonymous with home consumers and they're trying to target business users, so they've added some necessary ports and did a bunch of marketing saying this is all "AI" focused, which seems to mean it'll have some annoying software that I hate like an intrusive thing in Excel to automatically make a chart out of my table when they pretty much already have that.
- dboreham 3y agoIt's some MS channel/Conway thing. They have long had a different web site for "business" and sold models (e.g. the Surface Go with LTE) that were only available to "business" customers. Actually, Dell had the same thing going on until recently.
- orev 3y agoThey are launching the consumer models in May. Or you can buy a business one from any reseller like CDW.
- snitzr 3y agoWhat do people even really do on their work computers? Just email? Powerpoint?
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- dboreham 3y agoWhat?
- Enginerrrd 3y agoCAD with heavy 3D modeling, GIS processing, hydrology/hydraulics calculations, word processing, reading and jumping through 1000+ page PDFs, spreadsheet models, emails, video conferencing, screen sharing, and all of the above at basically the same time by necessity. So... Depends. In my case: a lot.
- damiankennedy 3y agoI use mine to get banned from reddit.
- slowmotiony 3y agoSometimes I also use Excel
- justusthane 3y agoWhatever their job is, probably.
- kd913 3y agoYawn, what is this ad driven nonsense, just give us a spec sheet. Who really wants to scroll through 5 pages of marketing drivel to get the details. >From a performance perspective, Surface Laptop 6 is 2x faster than Laptop 52, and Surface Pro 10 is up to 53% faster than Pro 9. The competition here is macbook and ipad, not last years stuff. Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confused to what shady backroom deal is going on but it seems rather silly for Microsoft/Surface. They can't compete because they don't have the most performant per watt, nor battery efficiency. They used to have AMD ones, and we know they work with them for other tech a la xbox, azure, etc... so what is up with the surface line getting this exclusivity?
- greenknight 3y ago> Why do the surface people keep hamstringing themselves with intel? I am confused to what shady backroom deal is going on but it seems rather pointless for both parties. Probably massive kickbacks or massive discounts. Just remember, Intel put out this graphic when Zen was just released -- https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Intel-vs-AMD.png https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Intel-vs...
- kd913 3y agoThey may get kickbacks, but if they want to eat Apple's pie it makes little sense for this kind of move which would massively hamstring growth. Also don't really see the benefit for Microsoft for the kickbacks (are they desperate for cash?) at the cost of growth and potential DoJ scrutiny. This sector is already a slim line that is dwarfed by office, windows, azure so what is the point in doing all of this nonsense? If they want to grow their own silicon, push ARM, if they want to compete, do so. To me it sounds like kickbacks to specific people in the surface group which seems shadier.
- dboreham 3y agoThey make ARM surfaces.
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- jahlove 3y agoBought a Surface Pro in 2013. After a few years the battery stopped charging. It is for all intents impossible to replace. Now I buy Thinkpads.
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- hnburnsy 3y agoFor what it is worth... >Most newer Surface devices are designed to facilitate the repair or replacement of primary components like the solid-state drive (SSD), keyboard, or display. With the purchase of a new commercial Surface for Business device, you can maximize your investment with services and repair1 options. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/surface-service-and-repair https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/surface-service-an...
- 8K832d7tNmiQ 3y agoTo be fair, the Surface we know for its 0/10 repairability 10 years ago is vastly different compared to today. Heck, they even post an official repair guide as far as Surface Pro 7+ on Youtube[0]. [0]:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNA-j_cL4mURqC1MFKHV-_ju-BOSPPhne https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNA-j_cL4mURqC1MFKHV-...
- mvdtnz 3y agoThanks for letting us know about a computer you bought 11 years ago. Very relevant and useful information.
- cpuguy83 3y agoI've had to replace the charger on my kid's surface pro 3 times now in 3 years.
- e44858 3y agoTablet CPU is Intel Core Ultra 7 165U, which should perform similar to an M1 Pro: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5825vs4584/Intel-Ultra-7-165U-vs-Apple-M1-Pro-8-Core-3200-MHz https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5825vs4584/Intel-Ultra-...
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- mvdtnz 3y agoYou couldn't pay me to take a Mac. Apple is an organisation that is actively hostile towards developers. I will program on Intel silicon and ms or oss operating systems all day long, thanks.
- e44858 3y agoHas great linux support though: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics "Since Intel provides and supports open source drivers, Intel graphics are essentially plug-and-play." Apple silicon does not officially support Linux, it depends entirely on volunteers reverse engineering things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux
- jeffbee 3y agoThe way normal rational people buy computers is as follows. First they decide what they want to do, then they choose applications that do those things. Then they choose an operating system that can host the application. Finally they choose a hardware platform that runs both the operating system and the application. Under this process, few users face a choice between a Mac and a Surface.
- underlogic 3y ago[flagged]
- mythz 3y agoGood build quality but unreliable. Bought a Surface, used it rarely, tried to pass it on to my eldest but it refused to start within 12 months.
- bbkane 3y agoWe had similar experiences with my wife's Surface and her brother's Surface
- hnburnsy 3y agoIf you havent try holding the start button for 30-60 seconds, seems like I have to do this for my surface go and surface laptop once every 6 months.
- dannyw 3y agoI can confirm. I’ve had two surfaces and both have had serious failures about 1-2 years into medium usage with no physical damage. Meanwhile, all my Thinkpads and MacBooks still work today.
- octagonal 3y agoI'm still waiting on my current, 60 hours of use a week, mid-2019 MacBook Pro to die or have any sort of malfunction so I can justify buying a new one. Its battery life has seen better days but that's basically it.
- alisonatwork 3y agoOther anecdote, I cycle-toured for a year camping in all kind of uncomfortable places, and my Surface Pro 7 survived. The screen is cracked in a million places from getting smashed around with all my other kit, but it still works. The Type Cover is a bit crap, though. After going through one of them while on the road (PowerToys Keyboard Manager is your friend) now I've been living in an apartment with a roof and everything, and another one died from what I can only assume to be humidity. I gave up and switched to a cheap bluetooth keyboard instead, which kinda feels more cool and futuristic anyway.
- AraceliHarker 3y agoThe so-called "AI PC" is nothing more than a marketing gimmick. It has no new features, just a Copilot button on the keyboard and the same background editing function for web conferences that has been available for a long time.
- delfinom 3y agoWelcome to 2024, everyone is marketing "AI" something something with their products. I've seen power tools with "AI" slapped onto the marketing.
- sp332 3y agoAnd with the $10B they sank into OpenAI, I don’t expect anything local from a Microsoft product anytime soon.
- codeulike 3y agohttps://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/introducing-neural-processor-unit-npu-support-in-directml-developer-preview/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/introducing-neural-pr... DirectML is a low-level API that provides a common abstraction layer for hardware vendors to expose their machine learning accelerators. DirectML works with any DirectX 12-compatible device including GPUs and now NPUs. Support for Intel Core Ultra processors with Intel AI Boost was developed in close collaboration with Intel.
- makeitdouble 3y agoSo the headphone jack is definitely gone, and we're stuck at 2 usb ports. That was the situation brought with the Surface Pro 9 already, but I wish they did something to aleviate either of these. It feels like the only decent upgrade from a Surface Pro 8 will be an Asus Z13 ?
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- sharno 3y agoWhy this non-sense in pricing? - 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD is $1200 - 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD is $1500 This is much worse than Apple, and I thought MSFT was more sensible than that!
- ekianjo 3y agois there something actually AI related hardware wise or is everyone just jumping on the buzzword train to sell their PCs nowadays?
- ankurdhama 3y agoApple charges $200 more for 8GB to 16GB RAM. The new surface laptop is charging $300 to go from 8GB to 16GB :) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/configure/Surface-Laptop-6-for-Business/8pz3fvs57qcv?crosssellid=&selectedColor=86888a https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/configure/Surface-Lapt...
- e44858 3y agoAt least the SSD is not soldered down.
- ankurdhama 3y agoYup and looks like SSD upgrade from 256 to 512 is just $100.
- hulitu 3y agoI paid 30 € for a 512GB SSD.
- lotsofpulp 3y agoAre SSD’s fungible? I thought there were varying qualities.
- dghlsakjg 3y agoThey are not fungible. Read/write speed, durability, and power efficiency are all variable.
- sdflhasjd 3y agoThey aren't fungible, but even for a high-end 512GB SSD, $200 is rip-off pricing. In fact, a top-end SSD range won't even offer 512 sizes because aside from not really being worth it, transfer-rate performance is lower with smaller chips.
- factsaresacred 3y agoMicrosoft continue to ship their Surface laptops with over-sized power bricks, which is enough to disqualify them. Similar spec Samsung laptops (Galaxy Books) come with a regular USB-C cable and a fast charging power adapter that looks like any other plug. Anybody know why Samsung can do this and Microsoft can't? Only having to lug around a single cable and charger for all devices is a dealbreaker.
- hulitu 3y ago> Anybody know why Samsung can do this and Microsoft can't? Samsung makes also HW. /s
- diffeomorphism 3y agoFor the same reason as apple. They want you to use "surface connect" or "magsafe" instead. Of course, you can just throw that away and charge by the usb c port instead, so I am a bit confused how that disqualifies anything.
- tetrisgm 3y agoI liked it when their wonderful hardware design team tried really daring things with their form factors. The Studio giant screen you can tilt and draw on. The Surface Book that has the tilting screen. The one with the detachable screen. The Surface Duo and Neo.
- KingOfCoders 3y agoI'll keep my old Surface for now. The next real change will bei AMD Strix with a good integrated GPU or Intels Arrow Lake which should draw much less power than the current generation. If possible with on-die memory for performance and less power usage.
- nsonha 3y agoI'm still waiting to this idiotic unlappable design trend to pass and some company to come up with a 2-piece convertible similar to the original surface book.
- farawayea 3y agoThis is the same company which puts ads all over the OS, can't stop trying to upsell people into using onedrive, forcefully signs you into onedrive, syncs your local files into their cloud without consent, tries really hard to not let you sign in with a local account and most likely does other shady things. Their hardware is more or less garbage. My Surface had a swollen battery which killed the device. It had other issues before the battery killed it. Why would people give money to Microsoft for such bad hardware? They treat their customers like garbage.
- hulitu 3y ago> Why would people give money to Microsoft for such bad hardware? They treat their customers like garbage. Education, workplace policy. Managers _love_ Microsoft.
- pid-1 3y agoOffice and Active Directory (and related stuff)
- delfinom 3y ago>My Surface had a swollen battery which killed the device. Statistically, all devices suffer from swollen batteries. I've even see iPhones and iPads die from swollen batteries. There's a certain tiny % fallout in manufacturing of battery cells where they may degrade and fail prematurely and swelling is a safety feature.
- vsnf 3y agoI had two surfaces die from swollen batteries. The problem was frequent enough that Microsoft Store staff (rip) would exchange it immediately, no questions asked. This was back during the Surface Book 1 days. I’ve been a happy surface user ever since, and haven’t had any other battery or build quality issues since.
- wtallis 3y agoEventually, almost all LiPo batteries will puff up. But there are definitely some devices that reliably cause this problem far sooner than it should occurr, due to poor charge management and thermal management.
- tomato45un 3y agoI don't think people will buy Surface Laptop 6, the premium price make me looks to lenovo or Asus brand
- probably_satan 3y agoHad one surface from an employer, had to swap it out with a Mac because it was literally the worst machine I've ever used.
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- iinnPP 3y agoWhen I purchased a laptop last year I went with MSI: 32GB RAM 1TB SSD 4080 12GB 3 USBC 2 USB3.2 $2100 CAD. My only complaint was Windows 11 which was immediately rectified. Though not before having a full screen Xbox Live ad that couldn't be closed through any means. Since removing MS the laptop functions perfectly, runs models locally without any fuss and powers any game I want at 4k60hz or 3k144hz(1440p). What is the reason for the high pricing of Surface models?
- iknowstuff 3y agoWith all due respect, the difference in looks between the Surfaces and your laptop is justification enough. I mean this sincerely. People are willing to pay for good design.
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- nipperkinfeet 3y agoWithout a headphone jack, this device is an automatic no-buy.
- vrinsd 3y agoSadly, this is more of MSFT's "we can do what Apple does too!". For a "business" oriented portable why is it so limited on ports? No wired Ethernet? As many others have pointed out, why are the 3D graphics so hobbled? People use laptops for CAD, visualizations and these days GPUs perform offload of a lot of other functions. I saw someone "crap" on Dell and Lenovo but honestly I think most of the Lattitude laptops have really good build quality, decent availbility of parts and good longevity. Lenovo X1 Carbons are far from perfect but they're pretty solid machines and still offer wired Ethernet (albiet via a breakout dongle) and a decent amount of ports. Linux works pretty decently here too. I never understood what the value add of MSFT's Surface family was/is, supposedly a "first party" portable with Windows with the same quality and engineering as an Apple product but if you look at HOW they go about it they seem to keep missing the point. If you go to Wikipedia and punch in 'Surface' you'll see some crazy big table of devices they've churned out, all with varying degrees of issues. I have a Surface Pro 2 which runs Debian Linux quite well (like another poster pointed out) so that's cool but it's has a lot of oddities that wouldn't be acceptable had the machine not been free. Lenovo made an X1 Tablet family that's fanless and is honestly pretty compelling if you need a fanless, "tablet-like" PC that runs Windows. I use mine as a car diagnostics computer and the car software needs Windows. If I were writing the specs for a "business computer" it'd include being fanless, excellent battery life, plethora of ports incl. legacy USB-A, light-weight and durable. I doubt any Surface will meet that. Apple MBPs and Apple Airs BTW do NOT meet these criteria either, lack of ports, chunkier / heavier on the MBP line, can't do dual-displays on the Air, macOS really needing 16GB but Apple charging a crazy tax for 16GB+ of RAM, etc.