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More than 50,000 Americans died by suicide in 2023–more than any year on record
- ironmagma 3y agoWe need more parks.
- rolph 3y agoits a larger scale than that. we need to be allowed to be human again.
- MrGilbert 3y agoAt some point we might realize that maximizing shareholder value wasn’t the right way.
- WalterBright 3y ago1. quality 2. price 3. service You only get to choose two.
- mjevans 3y ago'Pick _at most_ two'; though these days we're lucky to optimize for even one, let alone any!
- ryandrake 3y agoTell that to the shareholders! Won’t someone think of them for a change? Those fourth yachts aren’t going to buy themselves!
- M95D 3y agoFor a long time investments have been promoted as the best way to save money. I bet there are shareholders right here, reading my reply. You can tell them directly how their investments indirectly enshittifies the world.
- renewiltord 3y agoAs a yellow-bellied sapsucker, the human transformation ban has caused me to consider killing myself many a time. I went to see a Avatar : The Way of Water in 3-D the other day and I had to keep turning my head repeatedly to see.
- renewiltord 3y agoAh, we're doing that thing where we say the thing we want, projecting its absence as the cause of something undesirable. Here's mine: We need more turn-based couch co-op video games.
- ironmagma 3y agoI mean, yeah, usually when people want something it's because its absence is undesirable. Video games already have a system that encourages their existence; parks are fundamentally revenue-losers on the other hand, and building them is more of an act of investment in humanity than a result of economics.
- renewiltord 3y agoSuicides are undesirable, but parks won't solve them.
- ironmagma 3y agoI don't agree, but let's pretend you're right. What will then? No sense in dismissing the idea without an alternative.
- renewiltord 3y agoI told you: two-player couch-coop turn based games. We need more of them.
- ironmagma 3y agoThose are already well-incentivized. What’s the incentive for creating a park?
- renewiltord 3y agoIt's nice to have parks. They're well incentivized. As a matter of fact, I believe humanity has seen many more park-years than multiplayer-turn-based-couch-coop-years.
- Fricken 3y agoThere's parks. They're mostly empty.
- ironmagma 3y agoOK, but are most people within 1 kilometer of a park? > People living more than 1 kilometer away from a green space have nearly 50 percent higher odds of experiencing stress than those living less than 300 meters from a green space [1] [1] https://www.nrpa.org/our-work/Three-Pillars/health-wellness/ParksandHealth/fact-sheets/parks-improved-mental-health-quality-life/ https://www.nrpa.org/our-work/Three-Pillars/health-wellness/...
- JohnMakin 3y ago2022 was also a record year, but driven mostly by older adults and suicides were down in young people. I am having a hard time finding demographic data from 2023 but I wonder if it is a similar trend.
- giantg2 3y agoMy personal experience has been that most people I know who killed themselves were older and had a dementia diagnosis. They wanted to go out on their own terms.
- jseliger 3y agoThat is sad, and I write that as someone who has been close to the edge: https://jakeseliger.com/2024/01/23/will-things-get-better-suicide-and-the-possibility-of-waiting-to-find-out/ https://jakeseliger.com/2024/01/23/will-things-get-better-su... due to medical challenges. Death leaves a hole in the social world that can never be filled.
- spawarotti 3y agoJake, I just read the blog post you shared. I loved it. The message and the writing style.
- jseliger 3y agoI'm glad you love it; it's a fraught, difficult subject, for obvious reasons, and yet also, I think, an important one, despite the difficulty. Recent experiences have made it unpleasantly germane to me.
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- tyingq 3y agoIt's fairly alarming if you also look at deaths from drugs and alcohol. A lot of those deaths are reckless behavior in the face of profound depression. Which isn't suicide, but surely related. See the chart on page 4 in this doc: https://www.tfah.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/TFAH-2023-PainInTheNation-FINALr.pdf https://www.tfah.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/TFAH-2023-Pa... The combined rise is pretty notable.
- Quiza12 3y ago"Suicide's for cowards he said While sat drinking himself to death" - Mercedes Marxist by Idles
- Rinzler89 3y ago> A lot of those deaths are reckless behavior in the face of profound depression. Which isn't suicide, but surely related. If you crawl into a bottle and kill yourself with alcohol, but very slowly, over the course of months/years, is that also not suicide?
- aidenn0 3y ago1. Obviously the CDC won't count those as suicide 2. In general, making a distinction between intentional self-harm and self-harm due to recklessness can be useful in some instances.
- _nalply 3y ago2. How would you? Where's the point where the one becomes the other? (rhetoric question)
- mattmaroon 3y agoAccording to the CDC, no. But obviously they are closely related.
- inerte 3y agoI don’t think suicide statistics include cases like this.
- paulpauper 3y agopopulation growth and aging are a thing
- stonogo 3y agoWas there a point involved here, or is this just a particularly vague public service announcement?
- kleton 3y agoAbout 5% of all deaths in Canada in 2023 were by assisted suicide.
- huytersd 3y agoThat’s stunning. I have to see a source for that or it’s too unbelievable.
- rKarpinski 3y agoWikipedia only has it up to 2022 at 4.1% of all deaths, but it was up 31% YOY then [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada
- 1123581321 3y agoYou can read all the Canadian government’s reports. I believe the latest published was 2022 (4.1% of deaths) and it has a 20-30% annual growth rate (also from the report.) So 5% for 2023 seems easily achieved. There are a lot of other statistics in the reports. Recommended skimming. https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/publications/health-system-services/annual-report-medical-assistance-dying-2022.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/publications...
- jurassicfoxy 3y agoJust did some searching. According to stats Canada, in 2022 there were 334,081 total deaths (https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1310039401 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=131003...). There were 13,241 MAID deaths reported in Canada in 2022, according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada). So that's 3.96 % in 2022. So I guess the claim of 5 % is actually possible.
- silverquiet 3y agoFunny - in my mind, the ideal would be 100%. No accidents or suicides, just people choosing to end things peacefully once they’ve reached the limits of medicine.
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- seanmcdirmid 3y agoI wish news orgs would state these facts on a per-capita basis. Population goes up every year after all, so a record number of X if it is related to population...well, duh. This is like claiming California has the most rich people, poor people, Trump voters, and deaths, when compared to another other state. As it stands, I have no idea if there is a problem or not.
- paulpauper 3y agosame for controlling for demographics
- aidenn0 3y ago[edit] These numbers are for 2022; I can't even find preliminary numbers for 2023; TFV cites the associated press, but haven't found it yet. 14.3 per 100k, which is the highest since 1941; in the middle of an economic depression and on the brink of a world war.
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- chasil 3y agoThis has floated as the tenth leading cause of death for some time. It fell during the pandemic, sad to see it back. https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/index.html
- ge96 3y agoMy nephew had a spouse cheat problem, one day after drinking, shotgun... Yeah so weird I was snapchatting him days earlier
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- imoverclocked 3y agoThe video ends with, "... and maybe most importantly, how do we pay for it." Is money really the most important consideration though? 1.7 million attempted suicides also has a cost associated with it; Only some of that cost is directly visible in finances.
- croemer 3y agoVideo is a bad way to convey information like this. What's the source? CDC suicide data doesn't look at all different for 2023 compared to say 2022. This seems a bit of a clickbait title. https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/fatal/trends.html https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/fatal/trends.html
- eksx 3y agoI feel sad reading this today. This Friday will mark 10 years since my childhood best friend died by suicide. This happened when I was in my early 20's and at the time didn't quite understand how to process. I was so angry over the situation I couldn't think about it with a clear mind. Over the last 10 years I came to learn that the people around me are more important than any anger or grudge I could hold against them. All the moments I've been hurt, angry, or disappointed will never outweigh how much I care about them.
- lightandlight 3y agoMy childhood best friend died by suicide 2 years ago, after we had been out of contact for ~7 years. We were around 26 at the time. I had no idea what to about it, and it's something I still have to deal with as I get more in touch with my memories of childhood. I'm starting to develop more compassion and gratitude for my past friends, even if we're not friends anymore.
- whatindaheck 3y agoSomething is deeply wrong in America. Speaking as someone who finds myself close to the edge at times. My whole generation is on Prozac (myself included). Self-medication is rampant (myself included but improving). There’s a general hopelessness amongst my peers. I don’t think many would say we’re looking at a better, brighter tomorrow. I could list 100 things that make me feel this way. But it’s more than that. It’s something else. Looking around - this country is exceedingly sick. The vibes are bad. Like how dogs can sense someone untrustworthy. We’re all told “it gets better”. That’s great. But you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. I’m here by shear willpower I guess but it continues to not pay off.
- dudul 3y agoWithout listing 100 can you list 10 just to get a general idea? I'm not sure what generation we're talking about. I'm in my late 30s and I don't have the same doomsday outlook on life.
- from-nibly 3y agoIm over 30, but.. 1. Job market is really difficult, somehow on both sides 2. The f*deral government is getting more brazen with it's gaslighting on the following topics 2a. Inflation 2b. The job market 2c. Global conflicts 3. Products are sinking in value and increasing in cost 4. Everything is a scam, you have to be vigilant when buying groceries now. 5. EVERYTHING IS A SCAM. Even something as silly as someone doing yarn stop motion animation to replicate the netflix intro was a lie. 6. The internet is becoming a flood of garbage even wothout AI, but its's getting even worse. 7. We're somehow living through a "post truth" transition. Was that something anyone even remotely considered 20 years ago? 8. Businesses are trying to get you addicted to something, because selling something useful isn't enough anymore. 9. Starting a business is getting harder because you have to compete with liars and scammers competing with literal truckloads of money behind them. 10. The atrocities that are being committed on your behalf so all this can keep going. e.g. slave labor for lithium batteries. 11. The lack of control over any of the above 12. Plastic bits everywhere 12a. you cant use plastic without being a monster 12b. You cant not use plastic 13. Corn being used to fatten everyone up, while also being subsidised so it also steals money from you 14. Copywright laws designed to make everything harder, including benign things like buying a new tv and having to update other equipment to comply woth hdcp 15. Your job is most likely not even slightly working to make people happier (see also everything is a scam) 16. Having children is no longer an asset its a liability 16a. This is going to wreck our retirement 17. Looming financial collapse (see also f*deral gaslighting) 18. Housing is expensive because people are playing games with the market. 18a. Said people are going to get bailed out with your money for losing said game 19. Disappearing to the woods wont help with any of this and you will also be isolating your kids while doing it 20. Old cars are getting older and new cars are getting more and more disposable. I havent even put on my tin foil hat yet. If people reply to this comment I'm sure we can get to 100.
- bicx 3y agoI wonder if this is somewhat related to the drop in overall religious belief. Speaking as someone who officially lost my faith after 36 years, it can be challenging to figure out how to replace the relative certainty of purpose and meaning provided by religion. Losing that sense of groundedness can be really difficult, and you have to quickly begin writing your own narrative for life (which can feel pretty fake at first). That’s not to say that we need to keep religion around just to keep us sane. However, finding ways to communicate value and purpose at the individual level is really important.
- smokeydoe 3y agoI can relate to this. For me, having a child completely turned my life around from depression and lack of purpose. I’m even considering fostering after.
- 2-718-281-828 3y agoas it stands - not as it should be or as i'd like things to be - i think that suicide is becoming a valid and reasonable life choice. suicide is unnecessarily emotionalized and moralized in my opinion. it is okay to decide that the party is over and take the consequential steps. but i think it should be a personal decision. i find it despicable when the government starts to incentivize or encourage it as it seems to be the case in canada. but i also think it's just as despicable to criminalize it like in germany.