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Kagi and Wolfram
- inthegreenwoods 3y ago[dead]
- mannycalavera42 3y agokagi is the new apple: shut up and take my money
- alchemist1e9 3y agoYeah I’m very seriously regretting passing on the private investment opportunity that early adopters were given. I love the idea of Wolfram throwing his brainpower and associated ego behind this problem.
- elektor 3y agoThis is a wonderful and fitting collab!
- syntaxing 3y agoThis is pretty damn cool. It might finally push me over the edge to give the subscription a go.
- paipa 3y agoJust do it. Kagi has been my favorite $10/mo spent before this collab already.
- drcongo 3y agoI pay for it for my entire company. Life's too short to make people click through to page 9 of Google to get past the ads, the spam, the malware, the made up AI bullshit etc.
- Toutouxc 3y agoJust the other day I was searching for something on iOS and the results were really suspicious, they mostly didn't match the query or didn't make sense at all. My brain was going on autopilot and it took me a few tries to realize my Kagi extension was disabled and I was using Google.
- pbronez 3y agoI also spun up a Kagi account for work. The current Teams product is fine, but hasn’t been a priority for the team and lacks features available in the Ultimate plan. I’ve wound up moving folks over to individual Ultimate accounts. They’re working on a revised one payer/many users product. Once that’s available I’ll consolidate everyone there and experiment with making it the default search experience in our managed browsers.
- Tarq0n 3y agoThe cheaper 300 searches/month subscription is a great way to try it out.
- loehnsberg 3y agoI‘ve been using it for two years as my primary search engine, and they’ve been nailing it. Kagi‘s worth every cent. No ads, no need for DDG g-bang, because Kagi search results are above par, excellent support via email/feedback, „quick answer“ feature gives gpt reply, and now Wolfram.
- digging 3y agoI'm excited for this. I've found Kagi to be very useful having widgets like this, in addition to the search results being good. I still have DDG as my search engine for ephemeral searches[1] on my phone and I'm getting sick of it. I don't know if I'd say the result quality has been getting worse, it's just not good and hasn't been for years. Kagi on the other hand feels like an ideal subscription service. It feels like what Google search wanted to become. [1] To force me not to leave open tabs I don't really care about, my default browser is FireFox Focus, which is strictly "incognito" mode, which means I'd have to manually log in to Kagi every time I did a search.
- bauruine 3y agoYou can use the session link [0] in incognito so you don't have to login each time. [0] https://kagi.com/settings?p=user_details https://kagi.com/settings?p=user_details
- aesh2Xa1 3y agoOn mobile incognito you'd need to access that session link and go from there. You cannot just use the address/search bar, as mobile browsers like Chrome do not include a config to put the link.
- fs111 3y agoMobile Firefox allows it.
- dingnuts 3y agoyou have to love that the GP says "browsers like Chrome don't allow" and the two responses under it are "Safari does" and "mobile Firefox does" -- literally the only other browsers in the mobile ecosystem maybe this limitation isn't "browsers like Chrome". Maybe it's JUST CHROME with the limitation, because Chrome sucks, and has for awhile now. It's almost like the developer of Chrome doesn't want you to use a different search engine. Funny, that
- gyrovagueGeist 3y agoThe steve jobs example has a typo, "place of dearth" (https://kagifeedback.org/assets/files/2024-03-05/1709652268-714268-screenshot-2024-03-05-at-072340.png https://kagifeedback.org/assets/files/2024-03-05/1709652268-...)
- digging 3y agoMorbidly, it's still true.
- JZL003 3y agoI'm just happy if I can do some basic W|A without it being so slow. Things like dates or solving simple equations with unit conversion work great but is so slow on W|A. The actual wolfram language is fast, I just find their website feels slow (it's probably only 30 seconds)
- 1970-01-01 3y agoI tried Kagi and it was meh. I may try it again if they actually integrated unit conversions in search results.
- tucnak 3y agoKagi does unit and currency conversion.
- 1970-01-01 3y agoIt doesn't work that way in the actual search results: https://kagi.com/search?q=iphone+case+%2450..%2460 https://kagi.com/search?q=iphone+case+%2450..%2460 All my results are in dollars. And they're not in range.
- Toutouxc 3y agoHuh? How do you expect it to work? Do other search engines support this?
- JumpCrisscross 3y agoHow do you expect “iphone case $50..$60” to be interpreted as not in dollars?
- 1970-01-01 3y agoShow in USD, CAD, EUR, GBP, BTC.. etc.
- JumpCrisscross 3y agoI’m just confused why that would be expected behaviour unprompted, and particularly after you specified “$.”
- 1970-01-01 3y ago
- wielebny 3y agoPity it can't subtract time. > 16:28 - 14:50 = 22 hours and 22 minutes although, Google never could not too.
- menthe 3y agoIn WolframAlpha (no Kago subscription, but I assume it works just the same), to achieve your desired result, you merely have to use: > 14:50 - 16:28 Or > 14:50 to 16:28 It makes sense when you think of it. I’ve been using this for years, and it works wonders for datetimes too.
- mongol 3y agoTo me it seems to compute number of hours in the interval between those times.
- 0cVlTeIATBs 3y agoI don't use kagi. On WA, this search results in the answer with a prompt with the engine's assumptions, and includes a link to change the assumption to "math" from "word." These prompts don't show on kagi? Seems like including them would be an avenue for improvement.
- 1970-01-01 3y agoYes, one vexing thing is the inability of search engines to convert time. 5209s to hours and minutes? Oh, I still need to tell you how to do in steps. Why is this so?
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> inability of search engines to convert time. 5209s to hours and minutes? Kagi just resolved “5209 s in h” quite perfectly.
- 1970-01-01 3y agoYes that's the news here, it now does all the math for you. Other search engines don't know how to do it -or- they only do the first step. Your example doesn't do what I asked. I want input to be converted to hours, minutes, and it should ideally give me both outputs: additional remaining seconds and the decimal. Wolfram Alpha's output has what I want, but it also adds what I don't: Input interpretation convert 5209 seconds to hours, minutes Results 1 hour 26.82 minutes <==OK 1.447 hours <==Not asked for Additional conversions 1 hour 26 minutes 49 seconds <==Acceptable interpretation
- ec109685 3y agoHow do new search engines like Perplexity and Kagi avoid getting rate limited or hitting captchas as they build and maintain their indexes? Sites have to make exceptions for Google, but likely wouldn’t care enough to allow other search engines in.
- geoelectric 3y agoI’m fairly sure Kagi reuses Google and Bing search results, then de-craps and applies your customized preferences to them. I’m not sure it even runs its own spider.
- snewman 3y agoThis does not seem to be correct. I asked Kagi "does kagi build its own index". From the first result (on help.kagi.com): > Kagi Search includes anonymized requests to traditional search indexes including Brave, as well our own non-commercial index (Teclis), news index (TinyGem), and an AI for instant answers. Teclis and TinyGem are a result of our crawl through millions of domains, focusing primarily on non-commercial, high-quality content. [Edit] I guess it is possible that Google or Bing are hiding under "traditional search indexes including Brave".
- JumpCrisscross 3y agoKagi sends “anonymized API calls to traditional search indexes like Google, Yandex, Mojeek and Brave, specialized search engines like Marginalia, and sources of vertical information like Wolfram Alpha, Apple, Wikipedia, Open Meteo, Yelp, TripAdvisor and other APIs,” and also maintains its own “web index (internal name - Teclis) and news index (internal name - TinyGem)” [1]. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...
- aitchnyu 3y agoUmm, So Google and MS can leave Kagi high and dry if it eats into their revenue?
- flkiwi 3y agoI’ve spent money on things because I had to, I’ve spent money because I wanted to. I have rarely spent money on something because the idea just sounded good and been so consistently pleased with what I received for my investment. It’s not free, but Kagi is a small investment for a vastly improved (and customizable) search experience.
- TradingPlaces 3y agoBest $10 I spend every month.
- x0x0 3y agoBut how will you live with yourself when every search for library documentation or a programming language doesn't flood the first page with expertsexchange, w3schools, geeksforgeeks, favtutor, freecodecamp, and a pile of other tissue-thin content covered with popups?
- hnrodey 3y agomedium is the 2024 expertsexchange
- pandemic_region 3y agoYou haven't lived until you searched and found something useful on expertsexhange. The euphoria is unparalleled.
- andrelaszlo 3y agoI love using WA as a calculator since it's so good at handling units. Silly example: I just tried "average distance to moon/Eiffel Tower height" in Kagi and got "= about 1.167 million" (powered by WA).
- rqtwteye 3y agoGood to know! This will help in figuring out when reading the news and they describe everything in tennis courts , school buses and football fields. How do you convert from tennis court to school bus?
- rgovostes 3y agoIt can't handle non-numeric quantities like "average distance to moon" but Google's calculator has handled calculations with units very well for 15 years at least. It definitely puts Apple's Spotlight calculations to shame. I find that W|A works fine until it fails to parse my query and then I have no idea how to fix it, because the syntax is unclear.
- 7thaccount 3y agoThere should be some doc on the English syntax. I wonder if WA lets you fall back to the proper Mathematica representation. Something like the below but in reverse as WA typically does the free form by default I think. https://wolfram.com/mathematica/new-in-8/free-form-linguistic-input/ https://wolfram.com/mathematica/new-in-8/free-form-linguisti...
- daft_pink 3y agoI’m really curious if they still maintain their privacy promises with wolfram results
- martinky24 3y agoWolfram isn't really in the ad business, as far as I know. They probably retain queries blindly for metric tracking, but my (informed) guess would be that it's very separate from and PII.
- NoahKAndrews 3y agoNot to mention that presumably all of the requests will just come from Kagi itself, with no indication of which user asked for the information.
- dewbrite 3y ago> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?
- cngn 3y agoThere are built-in bangs for reddit, and users can prioritize reddit.com as a domain if they'd like.
- paradox460 3y agoNot only that, but you can make it rewrite all reddit links to use old.reddit.com
- lolinder 3y agoYes! Instructions here (old.reddit.com is one of the main examples): https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/redirects.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/redirects.html
- tiltowait 3y agoI do the same for Youtube links to Invidious.
- nerpderp82 3y agoInteresting https://invidious.io/ https://invidious.io/
- kevincox 3y agoYou can also change your Reddit settings to use the old UI for www.reddit.com.
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- thomassmith65 3y agoDoes Kagi use Google to host their blog or am I misinterpreting the log entry of my pihole? 🞬 blog.kagi.com (blocked ghs.googlehosted.com)
- sdo72 3y agoWhy am I starting to see a lot of promotional statements within HN? Are there any bot or some army of manual labor around?
- andai 3y agoI think mostly a lot of cool stuff is being launched lately. But if I were a tech company, I'd definitely have a HN Plan ;)
- dotnet00 3y agoKagi just happens to be pretty popular here, it's how I found out about it.
- sdo72 3y agoI have tried Kagi and I don't find anything magical. And I see a lot of testaments saying how good Kagi is, and most of them aren't in any specific comparison.
- dotnet00 3y agoFor me just the ability to filter/downrank certain domains and the ability to rewrite urls (universally, without having a separate plugin setup on mobile devices) is a very specific example of what I like. Makes it easy to ensure that I'm always on old reddit and wikipedia with the better (older :p) layout. Also allowed me to clean up a lot of the results that I knew were from low quality domains, such as getting rid of pinterest since results from it almost never led to anything useful. I also enjoy the lenses, I hated how the Google results for recipes tended to only make already frustrating recipe sites even more frustrating to dig through. The small web lens is also very nice for when I'm already searching for a niche topic. Besides that, I also reflect the vague description of the search results seeming to be better. And of course on top of that, there's the lack of tracking and putting my money where my mouth is regarding preferring to pay for a good privacy preserving service.
- lolinder 3y agoWhat exactly are you looking for in a testimonial? Do you want a side-by-side comparison of results or something? My experience has been that Kagi's customizations are the key selling point, allowing you to block and bump domains to meet your needs: * I have Wikipedia pinned, so if there's a Wikipedia article it's always the top result, whereas Google has lately started downweighting Wikipedia much of the time (as a simple example see COVID-19). * I have Pinterest blocked entirely, so I never see results from them. As an example, try "living room refurbishment ideas". * I have MDN upweighted, so it tends to rank higher than random people's blog posts for web dev queries.
- JumpCrisscross 3y agoI pay for Kagi’s duo plan, $14/month or $151.20/year [1], a discount which implies a 10% cost of capital. At that discount rate, a lifetime membership at $1,680 would be rational for Kagi ($600 individual). And at that price, I’d pay! Hell, do $3k flat (5% cost of capital; ~$1k individual) and throw in an annual in-person event and I’d call it a great deal. For Kagi, moreover, it would be permanent capital. (I would also love for Kagi to launch a K-12 education product, possibly marketed at first to PTAs.) [1] https://kagi.com/settings?p=billing_plan&plan=family&period=annual https://kagi.com/settings?p=billing_plan&plan=family&period=...
- freedomben 3y agoI don't think this would ultimately be healthy for Kagi. The continuing pressure to maintain the value of the subscription since people can cancel at anytime IMHO drives their success.
- bombcar 3y agoThere's also a paradoxical effect where paying for something can make you value it more, whereas if you paid for it once and now it's "free" you'll value it less.
- denkmoon 3y agoOnce off lifetime memberships suck. They seem good but once they've got my money (and spent it in that year's budget or whatever), I'm basically just a free user with extra obligations from the company's perspective. I strongly believe part of the reason Plex has gone down the shitter is because they sold too many lifetime memberships and expenditure has outstripped recurring revenue.
- andai 3y agoDid kagi recently (past 12 months) add the unlimited plan? Last time I checked even my human search usage was way beyond their limits (Google regularly accuses me of being a bot!), and my primary interest was in 100Xing that volume with autonomous agents. Now it says unlimited, but I'm not sure "you and a swarm of a thousand digital clones" counts as fair use...
- golf_mike 3y agoyes https://kagi.com/settings?p=billing_plan https://kagi.com/settings?p=billing_plan
- andai 3y agoTo rephrase my question, was the unlimited plan not available about a year ago? Otherwise I don't think I would have disqualified kagi at the time. I recall the volume being too low for my needs, even without hooking it up to any automated systems (which for me at least, was the whole point of looking into paid search engines).
- throwup238 3y agoIirc it was available but more expensive as part of the Ultimate $25/mo plan. They made the $10/mo plan unlimited in September 2023
- golf_mike 3y agowas it not available about a year ago? I'm not sure. Maybe the wayback machine can tell you. But I have a gut feeling that there is a slight misalignment between your use case and their intended use of their service :)
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> I'm not sure "you and a swarm of a thousand digital clones" counts as fair use It obviously does not. You’re a commercial client.
- pmzy 3y agoI’ve been a paying Kagi customer for a few months now. It has reconciled me with search. Result quality is great, and the tools like fastgpt and the summarizer are precious. I was a bit reluctant but I don’t regret doing it. Really happy to see Wolfram added to it!
- paradox460 3y agoIt feels like a glass of water on a hot day, when you didn't even realize you were thirsty. Suddenly you can find things again. Recently I've been adding ? to a number of queries, to play with its knowledge graph and answering capabilities. It's been remarkably useful at surfacing information.
- Maxion 3y agoThe feature to block sites is very very helpful. It is so much easier now to find small suppliers, get rid of all the blogspam. I can even block legit merchant sites that just aren't good and that I don't want to see clogging up my results.
- dmje 3y agoCan you expand on the “adding ?” - I’m unclear what you mean..?
- carlosjobim 3y agoAdding a question mark to your query will open an AI-generated quick answer with references.
- dmje 3y agoOo, thank you, I didn't know that!
- krade 3y agothis has probably been the first and only new features added to a product in years, that's actually been useful to me personally.
- martinky24 3y agoThis is probably similar to the Wolfram|Alpha + Siri integration (which AFAIK no longer exists): - Kagi will rely on Wolfram's okay-ish stack to immediately add features to their engine - Kagi will, over time, 1-by-1 remove the reliance on the (generally slow and expensive) Wolfram API with built-in features - Once the meat of the features have been rewritten internally by Kagi in more performant and self-controlled ways, remove the dependence on the slow and expensive Wolfram API Not saying that's a bad thing, but it's quite likely this is how it plays out. We've seen it before.
- 7thaccount 3y agoI can see them doing that for some things, but kind of doubt it for the more mathy things.
- martinky24 3y agoThere are things that move the needle (unit conversions) and things that don't matter as much ("how many tea cups of water would fit inside the moon"). It's the "things that matter" that get implemented and make the rest of it not worth it.
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- MojoLobo 3y agoif that was the plan, they wouldn't have Stephen Wolfram on their board
- drewbitt 3y agoIt is expensive I'm sure - and they attested to that in their Discord - but it doesn't seem slow.
- zero0529 3y agoI bought it as I needed it for an exam that needed me to do a lot of research and it combined with bing gpt really was a big help. I probably won’t use at as a main driver as I only have the 300 search a month plan and I get a feeling like I wasted a search when I searcg something stupid like x documentation.
- Zambyte 3y ago> I get a feeling like I wasted a search when I search something stupid like x documentation. I have unlimited searches with Kagi, but I have still gotten into a habit of obsessively taking notes. I personally use Org Roam, but I think anything with hyperlinking and allows you to take notes non-hierarchically is important. This kind of information is worth searching the web once, taking note of, and then using your notes later to access. While yes, realistically this is just a lonesome longwinded approach to bookmarks, I have personally never found myself going back to browser bookmarks. I actually refer to my notes all the time though.
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- jxy 3y ago> welcome Stephen Wolfram to Kagi’s board of advisors This is interesting. I guess we will soon read a longwinded post about it from the first person perspective.
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- jerpint 3y agoA new kind of search engine
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- noneoftheabove 3y agoSir, u r brilliant!
- esafak 3y ago..powered by cellular automata!
- kevin_thibedeau 3y agoBe careful with rule 34, though.
- throwup238 3y agoKagi-Wolfram derangement syndrome here we go! "Kagi" goes first to get under his skin just a little bit.
- BeetleB 3y agoComplete with how he played a major role in the early history of search engines.
- noneoftheabove 3y ago
- qwertox 3y agoWolfram Alpha still has the same old bug: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2016-04-04+to+2019-01-31 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2016-04-04+to+2019-01-3... = 2 years 9 months 27 days https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-31+to+2016-04-04 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-31+to+2016-04-0... = 2 years 9 months 26 days The duration should be identical but is off by one day. One day a space mission will fail due to this bug. Reported several times, they never cared.
- nuancebydefault 3y agoBoth show 1032 days. Do space missions depend on such fuzzy defined time stamps as (calendar?) months? I think time dilation would be a much more serious factor.
- timthelion 3y agoIs that a bug? I interpret it as from midnight 2016-04-04 to the first time which has the date 2019-01-31. That includes the full day of 2016-04-04 but nothing from 2019-01-31. This is contrasted with the opposite direction which is midnight 2019-01-31 going backwards, thus not including 2019-01-31 and all the way up till the first time which is 2016-04-04 non-inclusive. Date time arithmetic is weird ;)
- timthelion 3y agoOK, I see, but it shows a different value for the absolute number of days, that's weird.
- qwertox 3y agoIf that were true, then this would be false: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-31+to+2015-10-21 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-31+to+2015-10-2... = 3 years 3 months 10 days https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2015-10-21+to+2019-01-31 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2015-10-21+to+2019-01-3... = 3 years 3 months 10 days
- EntropicBrew 3y agoThis is fascinating. Even sillier example, https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-31+to+2016-04-04 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-31+to+2016-04-0... and https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-30+to+2016-04-04 https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-30+to+2016-04-0... both show an identical duration of 2 years 9 months 26 days (edit: despite reporting 1032 and 1031 days respectively).
- djha-skin 3y ago> ...We are even thinking of providing a consumeable API for users to add their own widgets to Kagi search results triggered on demand (and shareable with others via an open-source repository[1]). Neat! 1: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/support-and-community/open-source.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/support-and-community/open-source...
- loehnsberg 3y agoI‘d love to see an IMDB widget.
- pbronez 3y agoThat would be pretty great. Even better - a movie widget that integrates IMDB and JustWatch. JustWatch tells you where you can actually stream/buy/rent a movie… I find it very helpful for dealing with ever-changing streaming catalogs. https://apis.justwatch.com/docs/content_partner/ https://apis.justwatch.com/docs/content_partner/
- ckbishop 3y agoKagi is well worth the money. Just converted my monthly sub into an annual. It just flat out works better than any other search engine I've come across. Also, the ability to just filter/weight sites that it returns is incredible. I'm not sure how Google is this far behind at search, but here we are.
- sharkjacobs 3y agoThis is trite, but the simplest answer is that Kagi's product is search and its customers are users, and Google's product is ad impressions and its customers are advertisers.
- swyx 3y agoTIL that Wolfram Research has 1000 employees. what do they... do? what is Wolfram's revenue? i'm completely out of the loop. This is the size of Automattic - which makes Wordpress. is Wolfram on that scale? idk.
- nullstyle 3y agoMathematica is a commercial product: https://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/pricing/ https://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/pricing/
- caycep 3y agoWho uses Mathematica, in this age of python/Julia etc? The Grad student world seems to be captured by Matlab
- LeoPanthera 3y agoEvery university on the planet uses Mathematica, and many schools too.
- plumeria 3y agoAlso Maple. Many non CS folks use Matlab over Python.
- natebc 3y agoI work at a mid-size private university in the US. We hold a license for both Matlab and Mathematica. Both are used in our labs and for independent study and coursework.
- Onawa 3y agoI believe that NIH also licenses Matlab for use on BioWulf, but I never see more than a license or two being used at any given time. Pretty much everyone I work with uses R or Python.
- Thoreandan 3y agoSo.... this is about a pay-subscription search engine called 'Kagi' out of Palo Alto, founded 2018. Made me think and have to do some digging for the 'Kagi' out of Berkeley founded in the 90s where you could register your shareware purchases in the days before PayPal. Which seems to have been largely scrubbed from history outside of some WayBack snapshots. https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/01/kagi-shuts-down/ https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/01/kagi-shuts-down/ https://tidbits.com/2016/08/04/kagi-shuts-down-after-falling-prey-to-fraud/ https://tidbits.com/2016/08/04/kagi-shuts-down-after-falling...
- dickfickling 3y agoThe two are unrelated, but they do reference the shareware platform in their FAQ. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/faq/faq.html#are-you-affiliated-with-the-legendary-kagi-shareware-platform https://help.kagi.com/kagi/faq/faq.html#are-you-affiliated-w...
- bombcar 3y agoTechnically they're tenuously related as apparently they bought the name (and maybe the domain?) from whomever got it from the bankruptcy.
- callalex 3y agoWow, that was a blast from the past, I had completely forgotten that's why the name seemed familiar.
- the__alchemist 3y agoHey! This is off-topic, but I'm not sure where else to post it. Does Kagi hang indefinitely for text searches for y'all? I experience this behavior about 1/4 searches. No error; just no page load. I am about to cancel my sub and switch back to Google.
- freedomben 3y agoThis does happen to me sometimes! Not 1/4 though, more like a few times a day. At first I thought it was my internet connection but it happens often enough and is usually reproducible for about 15 to 20 seconds, so does seem to have something to do with the query.
- PcChip 3y agoWorks perfectly for me on various browsers and operating systems, and for my friends as well. Hopefully the kagi team will see this though and chime in, or you should report the bug
- freediver 3y agoThat sounds like a good bug report for https://kagifeedback.org https://kagifeedback.org Make sure to include example searches when this happens.
- bubu-bln 3y agoTry getting on contact with them. They've been helpful when I had a problem. I've born tried kagifeedback.com and their e-mail support (two separate questions), and in both cases I received help promptly.
- Tarq0n 3y agoI get sent to the login screen maybe once per day. Very annoying if you searched from the address bar because your query isn't preserved anywhere. Not actually logged out, resending the query works.
- anotherhue 3y ago@the__alchemist emailed you
- stainablesteel 3y agoi love kagi results, its a great search engine, and wolfram is quickly becoming the backend of the internet - which is fantastic fantastic news, really glad to hear about this
- omoikane 3y agoI just tried all those demo queries in Google and it had similar output for all of them, except "MangoldtLambda[11]". Looks like that's a function specific to Wolfram. Bing couldn't answer "MangoldtLambda[11]" either, and it also couldn't answer "differentiate x^2 with respect to x", and didn't show a graph for "norway gdp".
- laserson 3y agoOne thing I miss from Google is relatively seamless integration with maps. Sometimes the address queries just fail for me on Kagi. And even when they don’t, Google’s maps are still far more useful IMO.
- ac29 3y ago!gm is one of my most frequently used bangs on kagi
- illiac786 3y agoWhy do you use bangs and not keywords in the address bar? It's so much faster, no need to go to kagi first... I have 10-20 keywords set up in Firefox for example. It works in chrome too. But maybe I'm missing some use case for kagi bangs...
- akaralar 3y agoThe real killer for me has been the fact that the keywords or bangs aren’t tied to a single platform/browser. I set them up once and they are available on my iPhone & iPad & 4 different browsers on the mac. Add this the fact that if you set Kagi as the search engine, you can perform all of these from the address bar already.
- illiac786 3y agoAaaah, now it's clicking. This is indeed really cool.
- jbaber 3y agoI run into this sometimes, but there's nothing stopping me from !gmaps until I'm happier with kagi map results.
- LeoPanthera 3y agoA lot of people may not realise that Apple's Spotlight has "instant knowledge" built in, too. The "norway gdp" example given in this post also works perfectly, telling me the GPD of Norway without having to actually do the search.
- nojvek 3y agoWow! This might just convince me to use Kagi as my primary search engine.
- imiric 3y agoI like Kagi, and this integration seems useful, but I'm wary of search engines showing "widgets". That is often a slippery slope that incentivizes them to add more features to keep me on their site, instead of leading me towards what I'm looking for. A search engine should show web results based on my query. That's it. Some summaries and highlights are useful, but show them in the sidebar, and make them optional. If I need a calculator, I have plenty to choose from, including the Wolphram Alpha site. If I need an answer to a question, LLMs do a good job at that. Please don't make the common mistake of making your search engine "useful". My average session on your site should last seconds, which is the time it takes me to see the results, and click on the most relevant one. If you achieve that, you're doing a great job.
- metabagel 3y agoRespectfully, I disagree. If I can get the answer without having to click through to another website, I'm a happy camper.
- MojoLobo 3y agoyou have option to turn it off from settings
- DirkH 3y agoI'm concerned regardless. If I am paying for a product and a 90% majority of its features I don't care about and only care about 10% of it working really well I'm going to feel like I'm overpaying since I only use and care about 10% of the product, but pay for 100% of it. And if I were a paying customer I'd keep getting more and more weary if I see the focus of the product keeps being this 90% I don't care about.
- CDillinger 3y agoTangentially related: does anyone have a recommendation for adding a Kagi search widget to Android home screen? I have read some related documentation [1] but it's not super clear if what I am looking for is supported. [1]: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/setting-default.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/setting-default.h...
- ac29 3y agoIts easy to save a shortcut homescreen widget with Firefox Android. But, that's just a link to kagi.com, not a type to search widget.
- dijital 3y agoIf you're using Firefox and have Kagi as your default search engine, then just adding the Firefox search widget seems to do the trick.
- snielson 3y agoSet kagi as the default search engine in edge on android (you need to install edge) and add the edge search widget to your home screen. I also switched to the MS launcher so I could get rid of the Google search bar.
- karaterobot 3y agoKagi has tried a few different AI solutions, and now this integration with a different search engine. I think what I want is just a redoubled focus on improving search results (not quick answers) while maintaining or improving confidentiality. If they announce that my monthly payments are going up, and I suspect it's because they're paying for partnerships with services I don't view as core to the product value that brought me in, I would feel cheated. And if they add those integrations and don't charge more, I'd have to wonder about that too: are they trading something for the integrations, or are they charging me too much?
- freediver 3y agoNeither, we are passing all the savings (we get better search API deals as we grow, AI is getting cheaper...) into making the product better, at no additional cost for the user, to ensure we are still around next year.
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- metabagel 3y agoI think that in 5 years nobody will want to use a search engine which doesn’t have AI capabilities. The stuff which turns you off may be critical to Kagi’s survival.
- disqard 3y agoA prescient and pragmatic reply. I too, felt a bit miffed that they were jumping onto this hype bandwagon. However, as an early user, I've continued to support them and I think you've articulated really well why they're doing what they are doing -- and what made me not drop my subscription when I saw them integrate "GenAI" into Kagi.
- flexagoon 3y agoDon't forget that the standard plan of Kagi recently got infinitely cheaper, it used to be limited to 1000 searches a month and switched to pay-as-you-go afterwards, but now it has unlimited searches.
- xvector 3y agoI absolutely love Kagi. The summarizer feature in itself is incredibly useful. Wonderful engine.
- fagrobot 3y agoI’m, Doggo clearly has a boner….
- lannisterstark 3y agoAnyone using their own searx-ng, the metasearch engine? Have you tried Kagi? How is it comparatively when it comes to quality of results given that with searx I can customize the engines and such.
- bluish29 3y agoI was relying on my own self hosted seaexNG before moving to kagi. I still have and use the instance from time to time. Using kagi is better and made my life easier. I stopped worrying about rate limited, bad UI and actually managing and following updates. It also did not solve the problem of ranking. Garbage results still showed. Kagi solved all of these problems and more and I didn't have to spend couple of hours per month to follow updates and manage my instance.
- pbronez 3y agoWe have both available as a result of independent & simultaneous innovation/20%/side project things. I’m biased because I own the Kagi side, but have thought about this a bit. SearX has some advantages. It’s free, except for the compute and labor costs. It runs on our infrastructure, so SSO is easy and we have complete visibility on what’s leaving our perimeter. Ignoring nuanced search quality evaluation, SearX main disadvantages are (1) it’s only available on our network, so if you set it as the default search that feature breaks if you’re not at the office or on VPN and (2) it’s slow. Users get a blank page for a meaningful moment before results show up. Kagi is snappy AF and adds solid AI features. Their Universal Summarizer (which isn’t actually LLM powered) works well and the fastGPT is the new standard for open ended information retrieval IMHO. (I have a Perplexity subscription I don’t bother to use) What I want from Kagi is (1) a single payer team plan that gets all the features, (2) more information & contractual guarantees about privacy. I argue that Google is a terrible default, but the brand is trusted while Kagi is still mostly unknown. Now, the real benefit of SearX would be integrated custom search providers for in-house data sources. We haven’t done that, and I’m not confident we have the resources to do it well. This is also something I’d love to get from Kagi, but it’s not well-aligned with their current roadmap. I’m content to use them to search external data and pursue other solutions for internal stuff.
- drewbitt 3y ago
- kerkeslager 3y agoHappy Kagi user here. Random aside: this blog is the first time I've seen a monospace font used for prose that doesn't look absolutely terrible; in fact, it's very readable for me. Inspecting with Firefox, I see the font is Menlo--and looking it up, it even seems like it's a web-safe font. Pretty interesting.
- jasinjames 3y agoAFAIK that's the default monospace font for apple devices as well.
- noneoftheabove 3y agoWhat a mistake by Vladimir Prelovac to get Stephen numbram involved. I was considering continuing My subscription to KAgi but Finding out that kagi becomes A wolfram toy - no thank u. I pass. Wolfram alpha works only half the time Correctly for anything practically useful. And half of the time it works, it’s pain To make it work. Uggghhh wolfman.
- noneoftheabove 3y agoSomeone did not like a dose of truth.
- warkdarrior 3y agoToo bad they do not offer a self-hosted option where you subscribe to updates to the index pushed to your host.
- dmje 3y agoReally glad to see so much Kagi love here. It’s such a great search experience
- iNic 3y agoEvery day I'm getting closer to buying a kagi subscription.
- xigoi 3y agoJust do it.
- soumendrak 3y agoHow is Kagi compared to You.com?
- hoseja 3y agoSomehow the search function will turn into a cellular automaton in the near future.
- matrix12 3y agoCrystal lang is their secret sauce!
- dakial1 3y agoI feel Kagi can be good just because it is not relevant for sites. Once Kagi gets to a size where it is profitable to be in its first page results, it will be the same cat and mouse game that Google plays with the SEOs white/grey/black hats…