16 ms·
'Mathematically perfect' star system being investigated for potential alien tech
- belter 3y agoJust your regular resonant planetary system...Nothing to see here...Call me back when you find one where they orbit the star with periods that are a sequence of prime numbers.... "Resonance in the planetary system HD 110067" - https://www.dlr.de/en/latest/news/2023/04/six-planets-in-resonance-in-the-constellation-coma-berenices/resonance-in-the-planetary-system-hd-110067 https://www.dlr.de/en/latest/news/2023/04/six-planets-in-res...
- dclowd9901 3y agoI’m not sure I want to meet the alien species that can arrange a star system into a prime sequence.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- madcaptenor 3y agoIf we're going to look into every resonant system shouldn't we start with the moons of Jupiter?
- vonjuice 3y agoAre we not looking already?
- jermaustin1 3y agoJupiter has moons? /s
- jjk166 3y agoWe're under strict instructions to attempt no landing on Europa.
- z3phyr 3y agoDisregard them cadet, you have my go ahead.
- hammock 3y agoWhy?
- jedberg 3y agoIt's a reference to the movie/book 2010: Odyssey Two, by Arther C. Clarke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010:_Odyssey_Two https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010:_Odyssey_Two
- vonjuice 3y agoI know the film sequel is shunned (and I presume rightfully so) but does the same apply about the book?
- 3y ago
- hef19898 3y agoOr one with three planet sharing the same orbit, perfectly spaced!
- marcosdumay 3y agoWell, perfectly spaced is the only way 3 planets can share the same orbit. And if we go for a gas giant and two small planets, there are probably many of those out there. We almost got one such trio.
- hinkley 3y agoPerfectly spaced is not a stable orbit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_point You want L4 and L5 for that.
- zeroonetwothree 3y agoThat applies to a small body with two large ones, not three similarly sized planets.
- hinkley 3y agoAh, you are correct. Is there any statically stable shared orbit for planets though? The first wobble and they start accelerating toward each other don't they?
- Retric 3y agoL4 and L5 are unstable unless there is an extreme, as in many orders of magnitude, difference in the masses involved. At equal mass the separation increases until they are all equidistant from each other assuming a completely circular orbit.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- pavel_lishin 3y ago
- angiosperm 3y agoThey offer no hint why transiting the star could help us pick up radio transmissions. If they mean the planet going behind the star (being "occulted") would cut off the radio signal while it is back there, they should say that instead.
- martinclayton 3y agoThe piece seemed a bit wooly to me. This bit caused a little twinge of pain: Signals from such a transmitter placed on a planet spinning around a foreign star would drift in time when observed from Earth, "the same as when an ambulance goes past you, the sound of it shifts from very high to very low" What's wrong with saying Doppler, frequency, or pitch maybe?
- angiosperm 3y agoSo, it is nothing about transiting, and all about us being close to the ecliptic plane of the system. Being a little off the ecliptic, so there were no transits or even occultations, would barely affect Doppler measurements.
- trumbitta2 3y agoOr one where vertically aligning planets is easy with CSS
- sirsinsalot 3y agoFlexbox will be seen by aliens as alien technology, our peak, our absolute pinnacle before collapse.
- spacecadet 3y agoLOL, better then them finding the industry 10 years ago.
- dkarl 3y agoI would love to see a movie where aliens show up to help us with the looming crisis that is about to destroy our civilization, and it's CSS.
- ijidak 3y agoOr even better, node_modules. "We have come to warn you. In your effort to create space for node_modules, you will consume the galaxy."
- RheingoldRiver 3y agoIt's the year 2200. The world's machines are now all AI-designed, prototyped, refined, produced, and distributed. The supply chain hasn't received human interference in over fifty years, and increasingly-accurate weather and tectonic predictions generated by computer algorithms have made supply chain errors obsolete. But humanity is dissatisfied. With no existential threats arising, people cannot find value in life. AI-generated entertainment satisfies no one, and because no algorithm can quantify "originality," no machine would ever advise additional human involvement. There is only one area of human civilization where AI is not involved, and that's designing the CSS specification. "But what if I want to position this element so that the ultraviolet radiation is displayed with variable additional intensity based on the size of the 3d projection on the latest gen virtual assistant, but only on Tuesdays? You can't possibly make me use javascript to account for something that common," bemoans one forum poster. What follows is chaos. Everyone has an opinion, some thinking that the treatment infrared got in 2190 was unfair to people with unmodified vision, others believing that the accessibility option prefers-visible-spectrum more than makes up for it. Still others want more robustness than simply prefers-visible-spectrum; there should be a native way to specify the exact wavelengths of light that one can see. Minimalists argue that when experiences are delivered directly to your brain, none of this matters, but no one likes that argument. The world hasn't experienced this large a conflict in hundreds of years, and it is unprepared. As people flock to the Great CSS Debate, they finally find a cause to believe in, even if they have no real opinion on the matter. Tempers escalate and battle lines are drawn. The AI don't possess enough training data to deal with the situation. In the midst of the final collapse, a package is delivered late. Just one package, and just one hour late, but such a thing is unheard of. Distracted from the CSS Wars, people flock to real-time trackers of all mail delivery. Are the weather models breaking down? Did Moore's Law finally stop, and as a result the AI infrastructure cannot keep up with the power needed in today's world? This new drama captivates the world's population so deeply that the apocalypse is avoided. And the scientific outpost of the Vrexon goes back to observation mode to await the next crisis.
- aqme28 3y agoAre we more likely to find alien tech in a "mathematically perfect" star system? Why? The article doesn't mention it.
- kekebo 3y agoI'm guessing the assumption is that it was manipulated by an intelligent actor into the described 'perfection'.
- JohnMakin 3y agoif you don’t mention why - it can’t be under scrutiny!
- dwighttk 3y agoTrying to find a signal in the noise
- RockCoach 3y agoThe implication is that is the star system had potentially been artificially modified or even designed. Any entity capable of performing such a feat that must logically possess advanced technology. That's all.
- Lance_ET_Compte 3y agoIf they had any real intelligence, they would keep quiet about it!
- TeMPOraL 3y agoMakes me think about the blunder from the first season of Star Trek: Picard. A mysterious, unknown star system, hidden deep in Romulan space[0], with 8 stars and a habitable-ish planet suspended in the middle. Clearly engineered. But I can't imagine how it could stay hidden; I'd expect it to stick out like a sore thumb from across the galaxy on any star survey, even with present-day telescopes... -- [0] - An antagonist space empire in the franchise.
- pavel_lishin 3y agoReminds me of a bit from a novel I read (won't be naming the title to avoid spoilers) where one of the minor twists is that the gigastructure of galaxies that we observe in the universe - the thing that's conducive to things like "star formation" and "life" - is an art project by intelligent species who've been alive since around the time of the Big Bang. (No, it's not part of the Xeelee Sequence :P)
- philomath_mn 3y agoYou're talking about the ending of Men in Black, right? ;)
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- 52-6F-62 3y agoHermes?
- digging 3y agoWell, on an unrelated note, do you have any scifi author recommendations?
- pavel_lishin 3y agoI have so many. In real life, this is where I get a very intense look in my eye, and about 50% of the time, I can see that the person I'm speaking with has realized that they're now trapped in an hour-long conversation with me. I'll make it a short list of recent authors I've liked: - Adrian Tchaikovsky. He's best known for his Children of Time series, but his other scifi books are also excellent; I haven't read the fantasy ones. "The Expert System's Brother" is particularly excellent. - James Cambias. "A Darkling Sea" is a tremendously cool novel set at the bottom of an ocean under a moon's icy surface. Arkad's World has some very interesting world-building & aliens. And Corsair is a fun near-future technothriller about near-space and moon mining. - Stephen Baxter (author of the Xeelee Sequence) writes very good books, but just about none of them have a happy ending, and they're mostly grim - but very interesting. - It's not HN if I don't recommend Greg Egan, Peter Watts, and Neal Stephenson.
- tempaway16741 3y agoThis article is clickbait
- barbazoo 3y agoWas this comment worth a new account though?
- tempaway16741 3y agomy usual one is locked by the noprocrast setting ; )
- timeon 3y agoApparently you need better tool.
- jb1991 3y agoWhat is the "mathematically perfect" aspect of this system? I don't see it in the article.
- aliceryhl 3y agoThe caption for the picture says this: > The six planets orbit their central star HD 110067 in a harmonic rhythm with planets aligning every few orbits.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- tromp 3y agoAs detailed in the companion article [1], for every 54 orbits of planet 1, planets 2..6 orbit 36, 24, 16, 12, and 8 times respectively, giving successive ratios of 2/3, 2/3, 2/3, 3/4 and 3/4. After those 54 planet 1 orbits, all planets are in the same relative position. [1] https://www.space.com/six-sub-neptunes-found-100-light-years-from-earth https://www.space.com/six-sub-neptunes-found-100-light-years...
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y agoIf a K1.5 wanted to do that just for shits and giggles, is there a viable way to slow down or speed up orbits of rocky planets? Like, wouldn't they be shooting a bunch of mass out of their system to even attempt this? If one could build a Dyson sphere, is that more difficult or less difficult than engineering a system like this? The sphere/swarm has some absurd amount of mass all in a very uniform orbit around the sun, and most of that mass didn't start there... so it sort of seems like it's equivalent (but if so, they're much closer to K2 than K1).
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- neocritter 3y agoIf they have that level of control, they could simply arrange for planets to smash each other to bits and reform as a Dyson sphere.
- redder23 3y ago"alien" is just clickbait. I believe in aliens out there somewhere but nothing any human has ever seen.
- Ensorceled 3y agoI don't understand why "alien" is clickbait. If the system was artificially created, do you think it is more likely that humans are doing it?
- redder23 3y agoNeither humans nor aliens created it, obviously.
- Ensorceled 3y agoI mean, that's literally what they are investigating. It's an article about the search for intelligent life, if you think that's nonsense, that's fine but it doesn't make it "clickbait".
- xetplan 3y ago"mathematically perfect alien star system" is a pretty good clickbait example. I mean I guess it could be worse "We found a mathematically perfect alien star system, and then..."
- redder23 3y agoI will not even bother to read this shit. You sound naive. What is "Mathematically perfect"? EVERYTHING! Literally everything is perfect math in nature, you see things like honeycomb patters repeat themselves in so many different animal and insect species. There are so many things like that. I wish I remember what YouTube video or article it was that I read, it was fascinating how much repeating and "perfect math" happens in nature. I am sure the solar systems out there are not any different. Math is just what humans invented to measure what it already there, the outcome can only be "perfect". In case you do not know, the speed of light is just a made up number, so how the fuck do they're even measuring some solar system? THEY DON'T! It's all clickbait, end of story "aliens, perfect math ..." I know this without reading it.
- throw1234651234 3y agotldr: 1. Star system 100ly away. 2. Piqued interest of astronomical community, because "The six planets orbit their central star HD 110067 in a harmonic rhythm with planets aligning every few orbits" 3. No accurate data on masses of planets. 4. No radio signals or other "technosignatures" detected. So, super unclear what #2 means and why this is interesting at all / whether it's uncommon.
- GordonS 3y agoThis may be a silly question, but is it even possible to detect radio signals from 100ly away?
- throw1234651234 3y agoThe short answer is no. Not even from Alpha Centauri 4ly away. A lot of people have misconceptions that we would immediately detect these signals - we would not. MAYBE from Alpha Centauri with a LOT of additional funding and effort, but not as is. Details here: https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/22617/can-we-communicate-with-tau-ceti https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/22617/can-we-commu...
- ThrowawayTestr 3y agoIs the implication that we're seeing the actions of a species that can alter the orbits of planets?
- doktrin 3y agoI think that’s the only reasonable implication here. The alternative would be to speculate that “mathematically perfect” star systems are inherently more conducive to the development of life - which doesn’t really track.
- SamBam 3y agoI remember reading a book by some kook with "PhD" in the author line, proving that the pyramids were alien technology. One of the key pieces of evidence was that the three great pyramids perfectly line up in the way that the three stars in Orion's Belt line up. The three stars are such a perfect straight line that they must have been pushed into position by a hyper-advanced alien race. (You know, to get them to line up perfectly from the Earth's perspective, which clearly would be important.) But wait, that's not all. Not only are they so perfectly lined up, but they also put ONE of the stars just out of alignment, to show us exactly which star they came from, so we could go visit them. Even as a twelve year old I was like, wait... any three points form a "perfectly straight line with one point out of alignment..."
- KingOfCoders 3y agoProbability.
- LuciBb 3y ago[dead]
- seanhunter 3y agoFrom what I have heard, pretty much every star system astrophysicists look at is investigated for potential anomalies given how big a deal it would be to actually find strong evidence of alien tech.
- orblivion 3y agoDo the philosophical arguments against "Intelligent Design" as a field of scientific inquiry apply here?
- saalweachter 3y agoNo, maybe, yes. The philosophical argument against intelligent design is unfalsifiable (any evidence could have been created by an omnipotent creator for ineffable reasons), it is unnecessary to account for any of the evidence we have so far, and its proponents are not arguing in good faith. "Could X be an alien megastructure?" isn't necessarily unfalsifiable, could be an attempt to account for evidence that doesn't fit in current theory, and could be in good faith, but it could also be proposed by people who just believe there are aliens out there in cases where there are obvious explanations and will just move on to a different "but this is definitely aliens" if the first doesn't pan out.
- denton-scratch 3y ago> radio waves from satellites and telescopes beaming out in the plane of our solar system Surely radio telescopes don't "beam out" radio waves? They receive them. If they are configured to transmit, like the Deep Space Array, they don't beam in the plane of the solar system; they beam at whatever spaceship they are trying to communicate with. Satellites even less; they have to conserve power, so they don't send radio waves into outer space. Their antennae point at the Earth. Also, the sentence containing that fragment has no main verb, so I had to read it several times to figure out what it meant.
- JohnClark1337 3y agoNot to mention if we did pick up an alien signal it would have been sent a very very very long time ago
- Sohcahtoa82 3y agoYeah, if we ever actually received an alien signal, it wouldn't change much, other than some people going wild about knowing that extraterrestrial life exists. We'd never be able to make meaningful contact. At best, we could send a high-powered signal aimed at where the aliens are, but by the time they received it, we'd likely already be extinct. Heck, they're probably extinct by the time we even receive their signal.
- denton-scratch 3y ago> Heck, they're probably extinct by the time we even receive their signal. Many earthbound lifeforms have lifetimes in the tens of decades, and might be expected to survive as a species for thousands of years. And there are many "interesting" star-systems within 100 LY, so in those cases perhaps extinction isn't an issue. But I think humans would have difficulty when an exchange like "Earth to Aliens: come in please", "Aliens to Earth: receiving, go ahead" takes 2 lifetimes.
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
- calebm 3y agoThis is a great video on why planetary orbits tend to sync up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyn64b4LNJ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyn64b4LNJ0. Ultimately, it comes down to the concept of entrainment (the same reason metronomes on the same surface tend to sync up).
- onetimeuse92304 3y agoI think the authors do not understand how planetary resonances work and how precise (or imprecise) the orbits need to be for the resonance to hold. Resonances are very common. We have lots of resonances in our Solar system in all different places between bodies. For the resonance to be stable, two bodies do not need to have mathematically precise orbits in relation to each other. There is quite a wide margin for error. Once two planets are close enough to the resonance, the resonance may become stable due to feedback. What happens is planets will exchange energy back and forth on each orbit in a way, that preserves the resonance. A substantial input needs to be provided to break up the resonance. What is actually interesting about this particular system is the long chain of resonances. But that is also nothing super special -- once you know how resonances form you can see how all of the planets, when they are close enough to the resonance, will transfer energy between themselves to snap into it and then continue on their resonant orbits. There is absolutely no reason to suggest that a resonance like this must have come from unnatural origin. It would be like saying that because the period of our Moons rotation is so precisely the same as period of its orbit around Earth that it always faces Earth with one side, that somebody must have put the Moon on the orbit. That's obviously false, these resonances form easily and naturally.
- foofie 3y ago[flagged]
- bilekas 3y ago> It would be like saying that because the period of our Moons rotation is so precisely the same as period of its orbit around Earth that it always faces Earth with one side, that somebody must have put the Moon on the orbit I don't think that's the implication though. Life on earth would not be the same without the moon's orbit to provide stable ocean current rides. I would imagine not having that would add extra complexities to establish long term growth of "life"?
- darkmarmot 3y agoHe's saying that tidally locked bodies are products of simple physics and you can't extrapolate deeper meanings from them.
- DrBazza 3y agoTo paraphrase Pratchett: million to one chances happen nine times out of ten. Space is big, really big, etc. so it's no surprise we've found something like this just through chance alone. One of the planets is probably Bethselamin.
- cbsmith 3y agoYeah... feels like someone isn't familiar with the law of large numbers...
- empath-nirvana 3y agoI think it's mostly that people didn't read the article. The planets are interesting to study because of the angle we're looking at them and for no other reason. They happened to be aligned in such a way that we can get interesting measurements from them.
- UberFly 3y agoYea the headline is misleading making it sound like the planet orbits were engineered.
- the_shivers 3y agoReminds me of Omphalos by Ted Chiang.
- kloch 3y agoWiki page for the star system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_110067 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_110067
- alienicecream 3y agoImagine there are no aliens intelligent in the way humans are, and nature doesn't care about us any more than it cares about a species of gnat, and that knowledge and discovery is not the purpose of life.
- NooneAtAll3 3y agoReminds me of Titius–Bode law[1], where simple equation correctly gave orbits of all the known planets, while predicting one more in asteroid belt and correct distance to Uranus. Only was considered disproven when Neptune didn't work. I would not trust these relations even existing (other than by pure chance). Even less I'd trust any intelligent design behind it [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titius%E2%80%93Bode_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titius%E2%80%93Bode_law
- stronglikedan 3y ago> other than by pure chance Barring intelligent design, there's an extremely good chance that at least one of these systems exist, and an equally good chance that only one exists, and we're just lucky enough to have observed it.
- beambot 3y agoWhy would it be an equally good chance that only one exists?
- Karrot_Kream 3y agoIt depends on what priors you put on things like planetary size and orbital periods. If your prior is uniform, then it is just as likely for this configuration to exist as any other and because the probability mass is uniformly distributed (e.g. every outcome is equally likely) then there's probably only one of it.
- Petersipoi 3y ago> there's probably only one of it. I fail to see how you arrived at this conclusion give the text that precedes it.
- maweki 3y agoEvery value being equally likely does not mean we expect every value to appear only once. Throw a d6 seven times and we expect a configuration to come up twice, even though the distribution is uniform.
- primer42 3y agoWhat is a "mathematically perfect" orbit?
- seanhunter 3y agoIt obeys Kepler's laws really really well. As opposed to those mathematically imperfect orbits that sometimes get the signs wrong when they do integration by parts and end up sending the planet spinning off in the wrong direction. But seriously others in the various threads above have explained but it's to do with the orbital periods forming precise ratios so the planets align very pleasingly every now and then.
- thereisnoself 3y agoI've often thought planet TrEs-2b [0], the darkest planet ever discovered orbiting a star, would be the best candidate for extra terrestrial life. My theory is that its darkness is down to the fact that the civilisation there has figured out a way to harness solar energy to near 100% capacity, along the lines of a Dyson sphere [1]. [0] https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/exoplanet-catalog/1716/tres-2-b https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/exoplanet-catalog/1716/tres-2-b [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- dmazin 3y agoThat’s an interesting exoplanet, though not sure how someone would live on a gas giant.
- thereisnoself 3y agoI don't think it makes sense for a humanoid species, but silicon based, perhaps? Iain M Banks' The Algebraist [0] has a near immortal species called Dwellers that manage it somehow :) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Algebraist#:~:text=Dwellers%20are%20one%20of%20the,the%20foundation%20of%20the%20Mercatoria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Algebraist#:~:text=Dweller....
- dekhn 3y agothis is one of my favorites by Banks. Really mind-twisting.
- downWidOutaFite 3y agoPresumably gas planets have a layer dense enough that a solid would float.
- dotancohen 3y ago
- uiuiiuiui 3y agoThis is about as exciting as the Face on Mars, and for the same reasons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydonia_(Mars) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydonia_(Mars)
- kypro 3y agoWhat's the reasoning to suspect aliens here? Are we hypothesising Aliens could be anal for mathematical perfection, or is it that there's some utility in having a mathematically perfect star system such that an advanced alien civilisation might decide to engineer their star system in this way?
- duxup 3y agoWe make a lot of observations, doesn't it make sense that we would see some improbable stuff?
- HumblyTossed 3y agoYes.
- cal85 3y agoYes, and it makes sense that we take a closer look at the improbable stuff in case it's aliens.
- Slava_Propanei 3y ago[dead]
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- wolverine876 3y agoFor those saying that resonance explains the phenomenon, the paper doesn't seem to say that the 'mathamatically perfect' orbits are signs of intelligence: ... the star HD 110067 has six sub-Neptune planets, all of which orbit their host star in a stable resonant chain. As the brightest star known to have at least four planets, with all planets in a remarkably ordered orbital configuration, HD 110067 offers an unprecedented opportunity to study the orbital evolution of planetary systems and the atmospheric compositions of sub-Neptunes. Three of the planets have low densities which suggest large, hydrogen-rich atmospheres. Sub-Neptune planets are one of the most common types of exoplanet discovered to date, so the question of whether they could support liquid water is crucial for target prioritization in the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. ... ... HD 110067 is valuable as a technosignature target not only because of its interest for biosignature searches. First, Earth views the system edge-on, which increases the likelihood of detecting radiation from any transmitters present whether intentional (Traas et al. 2021) or resulting from planet-to-planet transmissions which could be observed by their "spillover" during planet–planet occultations (Ashtari 2023); second, the large number of planets regardless of their position in the star's habitable zone increases the likelihood that an advanced civilization could have spread technology to neighboring planets, as has happened in our own solar system (Wright et al. 2022). https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2515-5172/ad235f https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2515-5172/ad235f
- tim_hutton 3y agoTwo orbital things we might look for: 1. Activity in geostationary orbits. 2. Orbits where the planet's year is exactly divisible by its day, eliminating leap years.
- jl6 3y agoAre you suggesting #2 is sufficiently unlikely to occur naturally that it becomes a likely technosignature of an alien race whose programmers got so fed up with calendrical calculations that they megaengineered their planet’s rotation as a way of streamlining their datetime libraries?
- psychlops 3y agoProgrammers with that amount of political power are definitely a sign of an advanced race.
- yencabulator 3y agoBased on our experience on Earth so far, that seems to be the easier route to correct code.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- infogulch 3y agoThe Planets Are Weirdly In Sync - Steve Mould - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyn64b4LNJ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyn64b4LNJ0 "Consider the three largest moons of Jupyter. Europa takes exactly twice as long as IO to orbit Jupyter, and Ganymede takes exactly twice as long as that. How can that be? This is an example of synchronization, but what's the mechanism? That's what this video is about: it's an explanation of something called orbital resonance."
- phkahler 3y agoBut that's also what causes the gaps in Saturn's rings. So rubble can't stay in those orbits but planets get locked in them?
- infogulch 3y agoIt's an equilibrium effect that occurs with at least one body is in an elliptical orbit. In this case it causes all the rubble particles to make their way towards the line of elliptical symmetry, but since its loose rubble (i.e. not enough gravity to maintain its shape), the individual rocks knock each other out of orbit. This is discussed in the video.
- unrealp 3y agoClickbait. Isnt this just orbital resonance? My solution to fermi paradox is intelligent civilizations realize futility of life and get enlightened and just die out. Similar to moksha in hinduism.
- MattRix 3y agoThe entire civilization comes to the belief that life is futile? Seems absurd.
- throaway920181 3y agoThere's no way average intelligence gets high enough for that to happen.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- inference-lord 3y agoI love this talk from Alan Watts, compliments your idea in my opinion. https://youtu.be/zpDj9Flz-lA?si=WTu3uxb9Q-v3LK9v&t=224 https://youtu.be/zpDj9Flz-lA?si=WTu3uxb9Q-v3LK9v&t=224
- 31carmichael 3y agoWe are alone....
- biggestlou 3y agoI’m still looking for intelligent life on this planet