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U.S. to invest billions to replace China-made cranes at nation's ports
- bamboozled 3y agoI wonder if anyone in America knows how to use computers and could just replace the control systems ?
- NoPedantsThanks 3y ago[dead]
- lupire 3y ago[flagged]
- bamboozled 3y agoUh oh
- hef19898 3y agoControl systems for induatrial hardware like container cranes? Who's gonna do this, some add ware developed from Google or Facebook? /may contain traces of sarcasm
- juanani 3y ago[dead]
- h2odragon 3y agohttps://archive.ph/Ks2Ss https://archive.ph/Ks2Ss also: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/21/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-initiative-to-bolster-cybersecurity-of-u-s-ports/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...
- echelon 3y agoThis doesn't just happen in a vacuum. I wonder what the conversations and actions were that led to this.
- MathMonkeyMan 3y agoI know nothing, but maybe some three letter agencies know more. Or it could just be politics.
- AdamN 3y agoThree letter agencies are part of politics. For anything this big it's usually all three: 1/ an industry that can benefit from the policy (US-based crane builders), 2/ the government itself (extra port resilience), 3/ vote getting (union jobs for the company that builds them). It's not a bad thing by the way that there is broad alignment - although it's not necessarily the most efficient or ideal at the global level.
- throw310822 3y agoDon't forget how this sets an example, like for Huawei. Expect Americans to urge their European allies to do the same "because security". This can be another blow in the commercial war between US and China, and a potential benefit for the US if it creates a market for their cranes.
- nottorp 3y agoBut Europe would just replace cranes that spy for China with cranes that spy for the US... what's the point?
- throw310822 3y agoEurope does anything the US tells them to do.
- _chu1 3y ago
- Animats 3y agoNot just re-controller them? This is a right to repair issue. Can't trust the remote third party maintenance service.
- UberFly 3y agoIf they don't just re-controller them and replace the entire structure, we've gone insane. China wouldn't care that they're not following contract protocol. Just nationalize them. Really this should have never happened in the first place.
- Animats 3y agoWho owns the cranes, though? Dubai World Ports, in some cases.[1] China does not, apparently, own any ports in the US directly at the moment, although for a while COSCO had a terminal at Long Beach. Worldwide, a huge number of ports are owned by Chinese companies, financed by the government of China, or both. This is unsurprising given the size of China's shipping industry, but it's also part of a policy to increase the worldwide influence of China. [1] https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/uae-purchase-american-port-facilities https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/uae-purchase-american-port-...
- personomas 3y agoPerhaps, but America is a state where the Rule of Law has power. Undermining the Rule of Law for individual cases like this is not worth it.
- DonHopkins 3y ago[flagged]
- lupusreal 3y agoThat is an argument for sourcing domestic cranes now instead of putting it off. Anyway, if he's president again I think he's more likely to pardon himself, illegally perhaps, than to actually pay his debts (with bribe money or otherwise.)
- tenlp 3y ago[flagged]
- RCitronsBroker 3y agothis. they could easily swap out the controller for a western made product and stop using big words to justify their trade war.
- throwaway4good 3y agoOf course it is; and it also breaks the US' WTO obligations.
- dragonelite 3y agoRules Based International Order, the rules just changed half way the game.
- shapefrog 3y agoThe rules are clear. There is one set for them and one set for us, we are afterall The Good Guys (tm)
- lotsofpulp 3y agoThe first rule is always might makes right.
- Akronymus 3y agoOh, could you elaborate on which obligations it breaks? I am not well versed with them.
- throwaway4good 3y agoOf course this has not gone to courts yet but it seems similar to what the US did on steel - claiming national security and then deliberately stuffing the Arbitration process when the first court ruled against it.
- LispSporks22 3y agoMan wait until they find out where all my stuff is made.
- throwaway4good 3y agoI watched M3GAN last weekend and I would say electronic toys should be the US congress' next focus.
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- moi2388 3y agoPaywall. Link to article?
- Tomte 3y agoarchive.today works fine.
- INTPenis 3y ago[flagged]
- colechristensen 3y agoOne billion dollars is $3 per US resident. That’ll get everybody one small fry at McDonald’s.
- malermeister 3y agoWe don't need to get everybody a small fry. We just need to give it to the ones that actually go hungry, and it'll sure go further if it's not wasted on the already comfortable.
- colechristensen 3y agoOne in 8 households experienced food insecurity at some point. So that’s $24 per person experiencing food insecurity. So a couple big mac meals. The point being that a billion dollars is mostly nothing for a population of 330 million. Social security spent 1.4 trillion last year. “We shouldn’t do this thing, we should increase social program spending by 0.06% instead!” is not a good argument.
- verve_rat 3y agoI don't know, if you spend $20k per person feeding them for a year, that one billion can feed 50,000 people. We shouldn't feed 50,000 people and do this other thing instead should probably have a very strong argument.
- colechristensen 3y agoYeah, we spent ~$150 billion in 2023 on national feeding-people programs. SNAP, WIC, and others. Any single person earning less than $1,133 per month gets SNAP (modern day food stamps), higher for larger household sizes. 42 million Americans get SNAP benefits (additional people in other programs) Once again, "let's increase this existing program by 0.1%!" is not a very convincing argument.
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- pmontra 3y agohttps://archive.is/20240223070924/https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/u-s-to-invest-billions-to-replace-china-made-cranes-at-nations-ports-d451ef8f https://archive.is/20240223070924/https://www.wsj.com/politi...
- fspeech 3y agoWhat about containers? China makes almost all of them.
- colechristensen 3y agoThey’re big steel boxes. Not many remote exploitation attacks on a steel box.
- justinclift 3y ago"Free AirTag™ with every container bought from China from here on!" /s
- celebswiki247S 3y ago[flagged]
- heavenlyblue 3y agoBig steel boxes with enough empty (inner-wall) space for worldwide tracking equipment
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- curiousgal 3y ago> invest Strange way to spell "spend".
- aaron695 3y ago[dead]
- CrzyLngPwd 3y agoBecause replacing the cranes means China won't be able to tell where all USA flags are made, lol.
- hardware2win 3y agoCannot they reverse engineer them just like polish trains geolock?
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoBut that course of action would require the state to be somewhat tech literate and use their big brain. Why pay a small company a six figure bounty to reverse engineer and patch out the phoning home spyware, when you can pay upwards of eight figures via juicy government contracts to someone like Allen Bradley or Rockwell?
- Fluorescence 3y agoGotta juice your government contract. Charge a scrappage fee for removing the naughty crane, charge full price for a new crane and a special surcharge for over-night installation... and then have the chutzpah to explain that yes, Chinese and American cranes do look very similar... convergent design something something <cough>.
- graycat 3y agoempty
- cuckatoo 3y agoVery American. Just swipe the card and toss the statement in the bin when it comes in the post later. National debt? What's that?
- blinding-streak 3y agoJust disappear the containers like the stevedores did in the Wire season 2 /s
- mnau 3y agoDoes it really improve anything? With today's technology, it should be simple put there camera and just monitor containers visually using computer vision +ai. It's not like they are in hangar. Hell, spacex is monitored 24x7 while building spaceships (ITAR regulated stuff).