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Cybertruck Launch
- RamblingCTO 3y agoReally glad this ugly POS probably won't be street-legal in Europe. Just look at the old Defender 2016. And that has no sharp edges or reflective surfaces.
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- NotYourLawyer 3y agoI’m still somewhat on the fence. But it’s looking pretty good: https://www.theautopian.com/i-saw-a-production-spec-tesla-cybertruck-and-it-looks-decent-here-are-a-bunch-of-pics-so-you-can-judge-for-yourself/ https://www.theautopian.com/i-saw-a-production-spec-tesla-cy...
- frob 3y agoI would suggest exercising caution in using that article as a guide post. The car the author is inspecting is literally the model Tesla chose to put on the showroom floor in front of customers and the general public. I'm sure they ensured it had no major flaws.
- camillomiller 3y agohow so? Details are horrible. Gaps and misalignments everywhere
- bryanlarsen 3y agoThe article starts with pictures from the preproduction trucks with awful gaps. Later down the page they have pictures from production trucks without awful gaps.
- whalesalad 3y agoMy biggest gripe is the wheel covers. They make this look like a ridiculous Robocop movie prop.
- slowhadoken 3y agoweird, that's my favorite thing. I like old RoboCop movies though.
- whalesalad 3y agoTo each their own, I guess. To me it appears like a toy. I also love RoboCop movies (and live in Detroit, yeehaw)
- slowhadoken 3y agoyou're having a little too much fun, cowboy. Turn in your badge and gun. You're suspended!
- ModernMech 3y agoI’m pretty sure that’s the whole point of them.
- whalesalad 3y agothe tire sidewall is just as bad. BFG KO2 is the prettiest A/T tire out there, take notes Tesla!
- xp84 3y agoI'm rooting for it despite it being silly and not a practical pickup, strictly because every car people are buying looks identical (picture a crossover SUV from Toyota, Chevy, BMW etc. Basically shoe-shaped things). This looks like a concept car that would never come to market. I hope it sells really well and convinces others to bring actually-creative designs to market.
- Solvency 3y agoTesla literally didn't realize the steel comes in coils and it naturally wants to warp back into that state. Massive panel gap problems. As usual. The only thing other car makers are learning is what a joke their design operation is.
- bastian 3y agoSure guy.
- qarl 3y ago"We dug our own grave."
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> Tesla literally didn't realize the steel comes in coils and it naturally wants to warp back into that state Steel comes in many shapes. Are you saying they used hot versus cold-rolled steel?
- convolvatron 3y agostainless has a very strong tendency to want to walk back from forming operations.
- m463 3y agoMaybe they need to machine it from a block of metal, like apple's laptops.
- datadrivenangel 3y agoI'm amazed that they actually made it happen! Hopefully this gets us more cool car designs.
- ftufek 3y agoI've been seeing a bunch of them in Bay Area, I thought it was already launched and started deliveries. In person, it looks like something out of a movie set.
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- fermentation 3y agoSure looks dangerous for pedestrians
- thedaly 3y agoNo more or less than any other vehicle of similar weight.
- discordance 3y agoThe thing weighs 8000 to 10000 lb (3629 to 4536 kg). That’s shockingly heavy to move around 200lbs meat sacks.
- mike_d 3y agoMost EVs weigh about that much, to the point that some cities are considering amending "No trucks" signs to also say no EVs.
- majormajor 3y agoDo they? Model X weighs 5600lbs, here - https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-x https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-x - and that's bigger than any of the other, more popular, Teslas other than the Cybertruck. Far cry from 8-10000. Or even 7-8000.
- lolbase 3y agoTesla 3 - up to 4065. Tesla S - up to 4941. Tesla X - up to 5531. Tesla Y - up to 4416. Chevy Bolt - 3563. Leaf - up to 3853. Mach-E - up to 4920. ID.4 - up to 4848. E-Tron - up to 5754. BMW iX - up to 5659. Taycan - up to 5121 Kona EV - up to 3715.
- mike_d 3y agoI like how you just excluded all the comparable EVs. Here they are for completeness, most coming close to or topping out the standard 7k where they will post "No Trucks" signs. Ford Lightning - 6,893 Hummer EV - 9,063 Rivian R1T - 7,148 Lordstown Endurance - 6,450 Chevrolet Silverado EV - 8,532 RAM 1500 REV - est. 7,500 Alpha Wolf - 7,088
- andy_xor_andrew 3y agoIf it is a great car, but flops because it looks weird, that's a shame. If it's a terribly-built car, with reliability issues, and a super difficult production cycle, that's a shame, but for a different reason: you'd think after the snafu over the Model X, where certain features (the X-wing doors) were a production nightmare and ballooned the cost and tanked the reliability, they wouldn't make the same mistake again. But if that is the case here, then they did make the same mistake, but even bigger and with worse consequences. But ignoring all that, at least it's different, and I'm rooting for its success. If it fails, though, most likely Tesla will only have themselves to blame.
- carlivar 3y agoBy "themselves" do you mean Elon Musk? I wasn't under the impression that Tesla was much of a collaborative environment. Musk bans Kanban and Toyota Production System principles after all.
- DennisP 3y agoTesla has its own principles, and collaboration is a big part of them. One reason so many engineers apply to work at Tesla is that they get to see their ideas implemented quickly and without excessive bureaucracy.
- rchaud 3y agoCybertruck was announced in 2019, and production was pushed back several times in '21, '22 and finally '23. Sounds pretty bureaucratic to me.
- DennisP 3y agoOr it was just hard. Plus it depended on 4680 improving and scaling and that was definitely hard. But look at all the models in production. They don't have discrete model years, they're pushing out new updates all the time, even for hardware.
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- bilsbie 3y agoI’m buying one because I was born too late to own a delorean.
- fnordpiglet 3y agoNever too late! https://www.carsforsale.com/delorean-for-sale-C136838 https://www.carsforsale.com/delorean-for-sale-C136838
- wnevets 3y agodoes it have sub 10-micron accuracy?
- slowhadoken 3y agoPrediction: if it does poorly people will call Musk a failure. If it does well people will call Musk a grifter. Either way people will be salty.
- insanitybit 3y agoI don't see how he would be a grifter. I just think it's a hilariously stupid, ugly car, that seems to lack a crumple zone. If people want to buy that I'm not going to think less of Elon, but I'm going to wonder how people can look at that thing and not think it's super cringe. If it fails I'll think fewer people have embarrassingly bad taste, which I guess would be nice.
- slowhadoken 3y agoI'm pretty sure it's a publicity stunt and there's no such thing as bad publicity.
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- ramesh31 3y agoI understand the nostalgia for those rock solid steel bumpered behemoths people used to drive. Knocking your bumper on the curb and shelling out a few grand for some plastic sucks. But think just for a moment about how the physics of that equation work out. There's 3 tons of rolling steel coming to a stop, and something's gotta give. It's either the car, or you. Best of luck to anyone who drives ones of these. I'll be interested to see the NHTSA results.
- jtriangle 3y agoI'd guess that these are probably going to be one of the safest things to drive. It's bigger and heavier than most things on the road, which improves your odds if they do it right.
- acdha 3y agoSafest for the driver, not the people they hit. Hopefully the insane repair costs for stainless steel will encourage at least some caution.
- jtriangle 3y agoYes, but NHTSA doesn't account for the safety of others, nor have they ever. They do have some pedestrian safety stuff, not sure if it's live yet, but, working on it. In any case, the safety-class thing is really a big issue issue here, because you can buy a compact hatchback with a 5-star rating or a giant SUV with a 5-star rating, but those ratings aren't at-all comparable. The thing is, making those ratings honest is really only going to make people want larger cars, because larger cars are actually safer. I think you could probably solve this by rating not only the car, but also the likelihood it will injure/kill a driver of the other classes of cars. You could come up with some slick THIS vs THAT iconography, and that would allow people to realize that they're either driving an 8000lb death sled, or they'd rather not have that liability.
- yreg 3y agoFord F250 weights the same or more.
- 1970-01-01 3y agoThese launch countdowns are silly. Yes, you're going to be really cool the first year or so with that Cybertruck. But after you go to a party and five other people have one, (1,000,000+ reservations since 2019) it'll seem much less alluring.
- FredPret 3y agoIt'll be even more cool because now there's a tribe
- fnordpiglet 3y agoYeah I agree with this. You show up at a party and there are five others, you’ll suddenly have five new friends.
- Rebelgecko 3y agoI haven't noticed that happening when 5 people pull up in white Model 3s
- fnordpiglet 3y agoThat’s because the model 3 is about as unique as a ford Taurus
- owenpalmer 3y agoWhy is the countdown silly?
- 1970-01-01 3y agoBecause it's not a rocket launch operation, it's a announcement of price and specification. You won't magically own one when the countdown reaches 0. The romantic idea of 'launching' everything in tech is wearing a bit thin.
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- MaximilianEmel 3y agoThe main thing I really dislike is the lack of buttons and dials. It looks to be just a single touchscreen in the center for everything.
- yreg 3y agoThere are some buttons. Perhaps not as many as you would like but it's not a single touchscreen.
- dgrin91 3y agoThis seems to line up with the rest of Tesla stuff - there are a few physical interaction points on the steering wheel (which work surprisingly well) and the rest is 100% glass screen. Its enough for the driver to do their normal tasks, but anything extra (e.g. changing AC) requires touching the central screen.
- yreg 3y ago> the rest is 100% glass screen There ARE other buttons as well. There are physical buttons for hazard lights and gear shifting.
- LeafItAlone 3y ago> gear shifting Removed in Model S Plaid and rumored to be removed in the cheaper models in future iterations.
- yreg 3y agoNo, it's not removed, no matter how many HN users think so. (You are not the first one “correcting” me on this.) https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-E9B387D7-AFEF-4AAF-8685-4FE71E09287D.html#CONCEPT_ZFM_NGY_N4B https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-E9B387D...
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- Pr0ject217 3y agoMy eyes can't ignore the little left-facing chevron flying upward at the end of the video loop (on the right of the video). https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/video/upload/ct-logo.mov https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/video/upload/...
- owenpalmer 3y agohaha good find!
- jehb 3y agoI wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced. I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I saw it. Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with.
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- qwertox 3y agoHow would exploitation be uncommon?
- btmiller 3y agoI really don’t know how useful a comment structured like this is. Were you trying to be helpful or hurtful? I think it’s better for you rather to +1 GP’s comment by adding your observations instead of only measuring their values against yours. Do better please.
- concordDance 3y agoThe latter would apply to basically every company on the planet and would mean you could only purchase from sole traders.
- adamrezich 3y agohow common do you think this perspective is? outside of places like this one, of course. as far as I can tell, the average person's perspective of the guy likely hasn't changed much in the past few years at all.
- mkii 3y agoIn a nation of embarrassed millionaires, I'm not surprised.
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- owenpalmer 3y agoThis is what we call vehicle weight inflation. As cars get heavier and heavier, the roads get increasingly more dangerous for smaller cars, which causes everyone to get bigger cars. And the loop continues.
- owenpalmer 3y agoI wish the inverse was possible, eventually getting us to bikes (instead of bulldozers).
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y agoit’s very possible. Bikes get out of harms way faster and in a much mire agile fashion compared to cars and the money you save by buying a bike instead of a car can be used to safely practice at a track that is optimized for safety and to make you learn the feedback system of your bike
- alephxyz 3y ago> Bikes get out of harms way faster and in a much mire agile fashion compared to cars That may be true but there are situations where you physically can't get out of harm's way even with good reflexes.
- ungamedplayer 3y agoThere always will be, since reality trends toward degradation.
- MagicMoonlight 3y agoEveryone gets bigger cars because bigger cars have more room inside so they're really comfortable and practical. Teslas are heavier because they have to use batteries and batteries are incredibly inefficient compared to petrol. This is the consequence of you asking them to get rid of combustion.
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- MagicMoonlight 3y agoThe outside look of it is really terrible. It's like someone made a rough sketch of a truck and then told the team to build that exact sketch. Which is almost certainly what actually happened.
- goostavos 3y agoEye of the beholder. I think it looks nifty.
- yinser 3y agoExtraordinary.
- SeanAnderson 3y agoI think it looks great.
- cryptoz 3y agoAnnouncement of an announcement; flagged cc @dang
- Daunk 3y agoCars kept solely for convenience should be eliminated.
- ClassyJacket 3y agoI still think that if Tesla has figured out a way of making pointy metal cars, they should buy the Delorean IP and bring it back as an electric car.
- Seanambers 3y agoIt's gonna be success, but I bet maybe 2nd to 3rd iteration is when they will dominate.
- mortallywounded 3y agoSo tomorrow they will begin the live stream: https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1ZkKzjaBdmLKv https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1ZkKzjaBdmLKv
- Retr0id 3y agoI dunno if it's just my system fonts, but the numeric digits are not all the same width, so the clock jumps around slightly as it changes.
- yinser 3y agoI wish I had popcorn for this collective exhale of vitriol.
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- mensetmanusman 3y agoWe welcome any and all creative attempts to convince the public to use evs, which are massively piling up on dealer lots.
- barryrandall 3y agoI checked the market a month ago, and didn't find anything acceptable. The dealbreakers were: insufficient headroom, insufficient range for winter road trips in the US midwest (heat on, 2-3 hour trip duration, de minimis charging infrastructure), built-in internet connections, mandatory subscriptions, and no CarPlay.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoExactly, when you are starting with a fuel about 100x less energy dense than gasoline and 10x more expensive due to current economies of scale, you have to be creative in flipping the system.
- iancmceachern 3y agoThen they should make the equivalent of a corolla or a camry. The Volt, prius, etc. are what's needed, not model X and cybertrucks. Model X is worse for the environment than a small gas economic bevausr it uses so much damn electricity
- Kirby64 3y agoNobody is cross shopping a Model X and a small economy car. You need to compare 'worse for the environment' of a Model X vs. a medium-big SUV.
- iancmceachern 3y agoI'm not saying that. I'm saying that if one's goal was to save the environment they would focus on making those small cars, and as many of them as possible. Not Model Xs, not cyber trucks, not roadsters, etc
- kjellsbells 3y agoI happen to think that Musk is a loon, but I am rooting for the success of the truck, because, in the US, truck buyers are a super conservative bunch, and if you win them over, then the EV transition really kicks in. Truck buyers cannot afford machines that get between them and earning their livelihood. The question for me is whether this, and the Ford F150 Lightning, are poser trucks, or genuine work trucks. Its winning at the latter that is important. Can they drive on non paved surfaces like construction sites? Can they carry a full sheet of drywall? Can they tow a horse box? Are there weird protuberances that are going to get a accidentally smashed by a kid trying to load a 2x4? Are there accessories like tool boxes available? Will it start at 4am in a Minnesota winter? I'm more convinced by the F150 here than the Cybertruck, but I'm waiting for real people to allocate real scarce resource to buy it rather than tech bros with excess cash.
- whalesalad 3y agoEV trucks will not win over “super conservative” truck normies until they are more affordable, can do 500 miles to a “tank”, and can do that while hauling a load. My old Ecoboost F-150 had a 33 gallon tank and could easily do 650 miles per tank on a road trip. I can fill up while I grab a coke and take a leak and that’s too good to give up. On all accounts EV is better than ICE except for range and ability to replenish your fuel. Once they are on par in that department the explosion will happen. Time is money and when you can fill up your tank in 5 minutes and hit the road immediately that makes a huge difference. Don’t need to wait for a charge port either. Gas stations are ubiquitous. The cyber truck is not a truck though. The bed is smaller than what you’d get on a midsize like a Tacoma and we don’t have towing data yet. It’s a fashion statement plain and simple. The only EV truck worth considering is as you’ve said the Lightning but you can’t tow a damn thing with it because the range gets sliced in half, and that’s way worse in the cold.
- JohnFen 3y ago> Truck buyers cannot afford machines that get between them and earning their livelihood. In the city, anyway, most truck owners only use their trucks for commuting and rarely, if ever, actually use it as a truck. They are not relying on their trucks to earn a livelihood any more than car owners are.
- twostorytower 3y agoI just wish they kept the ultrasonic sensors instead of solely relying on Tesla Vision. That was a huge mistake and they refuse to acknowledge it and instead insist Vision is better and all that is necessary. It's an inferior product.
- whalesalad 3y agoAbsolutely agree. It’s indicative of a terrible long term vision on self driving. Sensor fusion is absolutely required.
- 29athrowaway 3y agoIs this vehicle even street legal? no crumple zones?
- forward1 3y agoFrom Isaacson's recent biography: > At one point, Isaacson describes Musk becoming enraged when, working on the Tesla Model S, he finds a government-mandated warning about child airbag safety on the passenger-side visor. “Get rid of them,” he demands. “People aren’t stupid. These stickers are stupid.” Tesla faces recall notices because of the change, Isaacson reports, but Musk “didn’t back down.” This company and the person leading it doesn't care about safety, and likely even about rule of law.
- misiti3780 3y agoexcept teslas very safe cars
- forward1 3y agoAccording to what objective standard? Can you qualify your claim as I have?
- misiti3780 3y agoThe article from Euro NCAP discusses the strong safety debut of Asian newcomers in the automobile market, but highlights that the Tesla Model Y stands out in terms of safety. Tesla vehicles are noted for their considerable weight and low center of gravity, attributes that make them difficult to roll over. Additionally, these cars are equipped with numerous built-in safety features and warnings. Another key aspect of Tesla's safety is their relatively recent design, which incorporates modern safety standards and technologies. Given these points, it raises the question: what are the reasons to doubt the safety of Tesla cars? https://www.euroncap.com/en/press-media/press-releases/asian-newcomers-make-strong-safety-debut-but-model-y-steals-the-show/ https://www.euroncap.com/en/press-media/press-releases/asian...
- Lammy 3y agoI love how the Cybertruck looks like something out of a SEGA Saturn game, but I still don't want any EV from any manufacturer until I can get one that won't spy on me.
- pipe01 3y agoYou can always just take the SIM out
- rvz 3y agoThe Tesla fans (and their haters) will still buy one anyway.
- nkotov 3y agoI had a chance to see it in person at the local Tesla Charlotte showroom. It's a lot longer than I anticipated but definitely a lot shorter that I thought it would be.
- anonymousiam 3y agoPlaced an order on announce day. My main reason was the 500 mile range (for the tri-motor variant). As much as I'd like to buy the thing, if the range offered doesn't meet or exceed the promised value, I'll cancel my order and get my $100 back. If it does meet spec, I've got a check ready.
- greedo 3y agoLooks like you are cancelling...
- anonymousiam 3y agoYep. I'm going to let them cancel it though. My position is that I have a reservation for the product that was offered to me when I put down the deposit, and I will wait until they can produce one, or they can cancel the order themselves.
- honeybadger1 3y agoI honestly can't wait to have mine, I was in very early on one and now that I have seen it in person..I am so jazzed for it.
- alienicecream 3y agoThe back of it kind of looks like the back of a garbage truck: https://insideevs.com/photos/868833/tesla-cybertruck-malibu-cars-and-coffee/#7530100_img_4372 https://insideevs.com/photos/868833/tesla-cybertruck-malibu-...
- kylehotchkiss 3y agoI saw one at the mall last week. Much bigger than I expected. Like bigger than a Tundra. I don’t get it. You can’t fit much in the back. A lot of people like how traditional trucks look and this is a big departure. I hope insurance companies jack up their rates for these things, it’s going to destroy everything it contacts.
- ChainOfFools 3y agoI just saw one on the road yesterday here in Chino Hills California, and I was astonished at how incredibly worse the thing it looks in person than in the promo photos. I was pretty ambivalent about this truck before seeing one in person, now it's hard to imagine how anyone thought this was going to turn out well. The back tailgate is just an enormous grey not-quite-flat slab that looks exactly like a commercial kitchen dishwasher door that someone clicked on in a CAD program and stretched to truck size. And the stainless steel panels overall, despite being nearly brand new already looked like they had a bunch of fingerprint streaks or some sort of surface discoloration in a number of places, that really detracted from what was, I expect, an intended effect of clean severity. All the proportions read as very ungainly with the weight gathered in awkward visual masses, at least when seen up close from eye level. The panels already displayed just the slightest bit of imperfect matching between adjacent coplanar surfaces. I can't imagine how rough the thing is going to look in two or three years. I would take a rivian over two of these things any day of the week, even if it does look like Bomberman.
- stcredzero 3y agoYou can’t fit much in the back. Has a longer bed than the F-150.
- coldbrewed 3y agoPictures of the RC models show that the bed walls are sloped; that'll eat up a bunch of space if you're moving crates or boxes. The thing that I can't get over is the raised walls on the sides of the bed. The appeal of a pickup is that you can easily get things in/out of the bed without having to go through the rear of the vehicle; the raised walls are going to make it so much harder to quickly huck a heavy toolbox into the bed. Elements like the sloped bed walls and elevated external sides of the bed make it clear that this vehicle wasn't designed to be used as a truck.
- malwrar 3y agoI know nothing about the actually physics, but all those polygonal, angled surfaces remind me of the chapter in Ben Rich’s skunkworks book about how a lot of the radar-defeating properties of the F-117 was due to the similar-looking geometry of the plane. I wonder if cops will discover it’s weirdly hard to speed check these :P
- sterlind 3y agoCops mostly use lidar these days. The cybertruck would need to be made out of mirrors.
- GuB-42 3y agoThe stealthiness of the F-117 wasn't just because of its low-poly look. It was that the facets were oriented just right to defect radio wave away from the radar. In fact, the reason for the facets is that computers at the time weren't able to do design such a plan with smooth lines, it is not the case anymore, and that's the reason why stealth planes don't look like that anymore, starting with the B-2. The Cybertruck is not designed for stealth and its weird shape may as well increase or decrease detection, but my guess is that it will be detected just fine by police radars, like the big hunk of metal it is.
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- alexalx666 3y agoit's denial of curves is refreshing.
- nojvek 3y ago1kg of petrol/gasoline is ~48MJ. 1kg of Lithim-ion battery is ~0.25MJ/kg. Gasoline is ~192X energy dense compared to Lithium-ion batteries. Li-on is the most popular battery due to its cost and weight. In terms of weight: Tesla model Y = ~4,500 lbs. F-150 lightning = ~6,500 lbs. Rivian R1T = ~7,000 lbs. Hummer EV = ~9,000 lbs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Cybertruck = ~5,400 lbs A human roughly weighs 160lbs (~72kg). Buying electric trucks IMO is pretty awful for the environment and the road itself. From the energy spent mining the raw materials for that heavy of a battery, to energy spent just moving that battery. The battery weighs more than the passengers. We're playing stupid games to win stupid prizes in the name of climate change.
- ecshafer 3y agoAnd then burning coal to charge the batteries.... But these cars are electric!
- thebruce87m 3y agoNo coal on my grid (well a tiny amount sometimes but it is being phased out) https://electricityproduction.uk/in/scotland/ https://electricityproduction.uk/in/scotland/ Another thing I’d like to add is that even burning coal it will still break even and deliver less emissions over the lifetime of the vehicle: > If they drive in Poland, where 90% of the electricity comes from burning coal, then yes, it will take 100,000 kilometers or more to reach parity with a conventional gasoline-powered car. https://cleantechnica.com/2022/01/21/unpacking-the-electric-cars-arent-as-green-as-you-think-claims/amp/ https://cleantechnica.com/2022/01/21/unpacking-the-electric-...
- object-a 3y agoEven with coal, power plants are much much more efficient than ICEs at converting fuel to energy: https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-more-efficient-than-internal-combustion-engines/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-more-efficient-than-inte...
- smileysteve 3y agoThe US Grid is an 18% coal mix... ... and no new coal plants are being fired to support electric vehicles. Coal turbines at scale are efficient when compared to thousands of internal combustion engines. Combine that efficiency with scrubbers and lined waste retention ponds for any plant built in the last 50 years. It's also not an either/or; A person buying an electric car can vote, support, or install (or offset credit) renewables.
- aussiegreenie 3y agoAnyone who buys a Cybertruck "Go fuck themselves"
- ozten 3y agoWho is the ideal customer for this thing? Construction worker? Off roader? Camper? Home improvement person?
- travisb 3y agoSuburban married couples with two children who have a powerboat, bumper-pull camper, and/or like outdoor recreation. That is, mostly the same people who already buy four-door pickups with 5.5 foot beds. It could also be good for around-town trades, especially if they tow light trailers -- like landscape crews.
- AlbertoGP 3y agoClicked on “Watch livestream”, denied because it demands login on X/Twitter.
- aaroninsf 3y agoPet theory: Musk's justly hated destruction of Twitter, and accelerating descent into open literal racism and antisemitism, are both meant to distract from the stupidity and imminent utter failure of the abomination that is the Cybertruck.