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Steam Deck OLED
- robbiet480 3y agoThis looks like a fantastic upgrade. Here's a info dump of all the differences between this and the LCD one that I could find: 64 and 512GB LED models are dead Wi-Fi 6E 10Whr more battery it's a larger display. 7.4" vs 7" 6nm APU vs 7nm 256GB LCD now $399 (INSANE price) 30-50% more battery screen resolution is the same just OLED + HDR 1000 nits peak/600 typical vs 400 typical 90hz refresh rate "high performance touch" dual ambient light sensors 640 grams vs 669 grams deck dock now $20 less limited edition color way available too
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- SirMaster 3y agoThis is just copy-paste from the steamdeck site: GENERAL Updated APU to 6 nm for better efficiency Updated memory to 6400 MT/s, improving latency and power management Increased thermal module thickness and performance Increased active area to 7.4" (from 7.0") UPDATED DISPLAY Updated refresh rate to 90Hz (from 60Hz) Updated peak brightness to 1000 nits Updated touchscreen polling rate to 180Hz, improved latency and accuracy Updated WiFi / Bluetooth module Added support for WiFi 6E Added support for Bluetooth 5.3, supporting newer codecs such as aptX HD and aptX low-latency Added third antenna near the top of the device for better Bluetooth performance, including when docked Added support for wake from Bluetooth controllers AUDIO Improved bass response for an overall flatter sound profile Added support for using onboard microphone array simultaneously with the 3.5mm headphones connector CONTROLS Adjusted analog stick top material and shape for increased grip and dust build-up resistance Adjusted analog stick post material to improve interaction feel with front cover and reduce wear Improved reliability of analog stick touch detection Improved responsiveness and tactility of shoulder buttons switch mechanism Adjusted D-pad snap ratio and diagonal interactions Redesigned trackpad for improved fidelity and edge detection Greatly improved trackpad haptics feel and precision POWER Improved battery capacity from 40Wh to 50Wh Improved battery chemistry for faster charging, from 20% to 80% in as little as 45 minutes Changed charging LED to WRGB Added support for waking up from initial unboxing by long-pressing power button instead of requiring AC power Adjusted power supply cable length from 1.5m to 2.5m Added logo to power supply FRAME Reduced total system weight to ~640g, or ~5% less than Steam Deck Rear cover screws now thread into metal Adjusted rear cover screw heads to Torx™, as well as other materials and geometry tweaks on the heads to reduce stripping risk Lowered number of screw types throughout system Reduced step count required for common repairs Improved bumper switch mechanism drop reliability Moved bumper switch to joystick board for easier repair Improved display repair/replacement to not require taking rear cover off SOFTWARE Greatly improved memory power management firmware Added preliminary support for open-source BIOS and EC firmware Improved resume time by roughly 30%
- superconduct123 3y agoI like how it reads like patch notes, no BS Imagine if apple releases had this
- ratsmack 3y ago>This item is not available in your country I'm in the US, so that seems kinda strange.
- whalesalad 3y ago> Available November 16 at 10am Pacific
- titaniumtown 3y agoAlso being in the US, I do not see that message, I only see the Nov 16th release date.
- danso 3y agoI'm in the U.S. and am getting the Available on Nov 16 button, but worth noting this note at the bottom of the Deck homepage: > Steam Deck Limited Edition is an experiment for our team, and we were only able to make a small quantity. That said, we hope this is a successful experiment and customers are excited – if we see there is a large demand for this kind of product, we will definitely continue to explore more colorways in the future.
- jwr 3y ago> I'm in the US, so that seems kinda strange. I love this comment :-) So much to appreciate here. As someone who sees the "not available in your country" quite often, I'm delighted with this mistake (it must be a mistake).
- abound 3y agoThere is of course a lot of US-centrism and exceptionalism out there, but GP could just more benignly be noting that Valve is an American company, so it really would be strange for them to not launch in the US as part of the first cohort.
- justinclift 3y agoI'm getting that same message, but am in Australia. From memory it's actually not available here, due to our government level consumer protection people not putting up with Valve's bullshit a few years ago.
- Vt71fcAqt7 3y agoCan anyone comment on how using OLED might affect total power consumption? Edit: >Steam Deck OLED has 30-50% more battery life. We fit a bigger battery into the case, and the OLED display draws less power.
- a_e_k 3y agoFrom the link: > We fit a bigger battery into the case, and the OLED display draws less power.
- titaniumtown 3y agoMy understanding of OLED vs LCD displays is that LCDs are more consistent in power draw, but OLEDs draw less power with darker pictures, but more power with brighter images. So it depends on the brightness and the colors in the scene.
- dmead 3y agoso play zelda mostly in the underground. got it.
- tryfinally 3y agoPrecisely. Dyeing your armor black helps too.
- bonyt 3y agoApparently there’s also a die shrink on the SoC, which is otherwise the same but should draw less power.
- titaniumtown 3y agoVery excited for future hardware from Valve. Especially excited for the rumored VR headset that'll double as a set-top-box for your TV (at least that's what I've heard).
- jsncisbd 3y agoI hope they include a proper rumble pack this time, the haptic trackpad things were a little anemic. Very happy with it otherwise though.
- Hamuko 3y agoReally tempted to replace my current Steam Deck with one. Got one in January and I've put 215 hours on it so far. It's a fantastic piece of kit and the improvements sound like they could be worth the expense. (Wrote some thoughts about it after six months of ownership here: https://burakku.com/blog/steam-deck-six-month-update/ https://burakku.com/blog/steam-deck-six-month-update/ ) The one thing that I am wondering though is if the Wi-Fi 6E alone can boost download speeds. Seemed to me like the poor download speeds were also because of the storage bottlenecking. Although the Wi-Fi is definitely the weakest part of the current Steam Deck hardware, being quite unreliable at times, so any improvements on that front are welcome.
- sedatk 3y ago> because of the storage bottlenecking Higher end models come with an NVMe SSD. No way that’s slow.
- Hamuko 3y agoWell, over half of my storage is on microSD anyways. But even with a wired connection over a USB-C dock, the download speeds were not that stellar. If Wi-Fi is 13 MB/s, then wired was maybe like 40? This is on a 1000 Mb/s connection.
- titaniumtown 3y agoI have the 512GB model of the original Steam Deck and have put hundreds of hours in it as well. I'm personally waiting for the true successor to the Steam Deck. This is simply a refresh.
- VikingCoder 3y agoYeah, I feel like there needs to be language to describe new versions like this: * If you're going to buy one for the first time, the new one is the one to get. * It's worth replacing your old one. This is probably not worth replacing your old Steam Deck (unless you have a lot of money to throw around.) But it's really nice for people who haven't bought one until now.
- nerdjon 3y agoI am mildly tempted to upgrade to this, it seems kinda weird that the OLED is the same resolution? Doesn't it? Maybe I am just out of touch. But I guess at least that means it won't have a performance impact. As much as I love my steam deck, it kinda sucks to use after using my OLED Switch after a while. That screen is just beautiful (especially for Mario Wonder). I have been looking for alternatives for a while now, with the Asus Rog Ally or the Legion Go but the lack of the 4 back controls being vertical have made both of those a no go for me. Kinda wish it was beefed up a little bit (technically it looks like it is, the GPU is no longer listed as a range if you scroll down, but I am not sure why that is). I just want official word that the drivers and everything still work on Windows. I assume it will
- izacus 3y agoThey deliberately said they don't want to change performance characteristics - which is pretty normal for console refreshes.
- nerdjon 3y agoTBH I don't buy that argument, we are talking about PC games that have handled scaling for a very long time. This is standard if you are making PC games. The Steam Deck really isn't a console in any traditional sense of the word. With there now being multiple devices like this out there, I don't think that argument works.
- titaniumtown 3y agoValve wants the Steam Deck to fit in the Console space and be a easy gateway for less-techy people to play PC games.
- nerdjon 3y agoBut I have yet to see any indication from a development standpoint that it is. PC games already automatically figure out what specs to use (or at least many do) so I am still struggling with this argument. The argument completely falls apart when you have devices like the Asus Rog Ally or the Legion GO. It also falls apart when, unless I am mistaken, SteamOS is open for anyone to use on other devices.
- coffeebeqn 3y agoIs the APU update notable? From 7nm to 6nm process
- goosedragons 3y agoPerformance isn't really better but RAM speeds are a bit better which boosts things a little. Digital foundry says it runs cooler and quieter. It does have better battery life but it also has a larger battery and more efficient screen.
- angryasian 3y agoAs a Ally user, still not enough to get me to switch but I love the competition that Steam ignited with the handheld PC gaming market. Ally, Legion Go, Steamdeck, Ayaneo Kun, etc. A lot of great devices on the market. I've played more PC games now than I have in the last 10 years.
- ShamelessC 3y agoDo the various other handheld PC’s tend to run Windows or Linux with proton?
- umeshunni 3y agoAlly and Legion Go run Windows
- RosanaAnaDana 3y agoIf they were on SteamOS or some other linux variant for this use case, I probably would have gone with them. The hardware is much better. But the UI; how I actually interact with the system? I care about that.
- throawayonthe 3y agoyou can run Bazzite on them
- RosanaAnaDana 3y agoLooks like I wont have to wait.. https://www.pcgamer.com/steamos-on-handheld-pcs/ https://www.pcgamer.com/steamos-on-handheld-pcs/
- Narishma 3y agoWindows. They have a sub-par user experience because of that compared to the Steam Deck. Windows just doesn't work that well on small screens like these, and the custom UIs they have are the usual bloatware you find in "gaming" products.
- VikingCoder 3y agoTested review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfoLRmKwnSI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfoLRmKwnSI
- netcraft 3y agomine might have to become a hand-me-down and make this my christmas present...
- geoffeg 3y agoMy biggest complaint about my Steam Deck is the contrast ratio on the LCD screen. The backlight bleed bothers me more than it should, but I think I've gotten used to LCDs with very good contrast ratios over the last ten years. I'm considering upgrading, but wondering how much my current 512GB would sell for.
- hahla 3y agoPretty underwhelming sales page, they should probably showcase the screen more? Edit: Nevermind, the link in the HN post is not the actual landing page.
- rlex 3y agoGotta love that they know how people tinker with their devices: Rear cover screws now thread into metal Adjusted rear cover screw heads to Torx™, as well as other materials and geometry tweaks on the heads to reduce stripping risk Lowered number of screw types throughout system Reduced step count required for common repairs Improved bumper switch mechanism drop reliability Moved bumper switch to joystick board for easier repair Improved display repair/replacement to not require taking rear cover off
- throitallaway 3y agoWow, it's very rare for companies to move in this direction. This is the polar opposite direction of what Apple's been doing.
- nicce 3y agoIf you do it well, the polar opposite just boots your marketing and overall goodness.
- rbjorklin 3y agoSteam is not a publicly traded company. Their decisions don't necessarily have to improve profit margins.
- haunter 3y ago>Their decisions don't necessarily have to improve profit margins They can always rely on the gambling money. Takes 0 effort (all digital), unregulated, and it's enormously popular on Steam.
- spiderice 3y agoYou're trying to muddy the waters by calling it gambling. Gaming and digital loot boxes are different. Even if they share some similarities. Gambling is far, far more destructive than digital loot boxes in games. No need to conflate the two.
- gigel82 3y agoDamn, I wish they did an APU upgrade as well (I mean generation upgrade, not just node)...
- haunter 3y agoWell I'm just happy there will be more second hand units on the market to buy
- menacingly 3y agoat what voltage do devices like this tend to operate? I was trying to estimate the ah of the batteries so I could then be frustrated at how they pack the cells in there.
- Zekio 3y agowell you can just look at the specs from an official supplier of replacement batteries like ifixit https://www.ifixit.com/products/steam-deck-battery https://www.ifixit.com/products/steam-deck-battery this will give you specs for the old old battery, I'm sure valve would've gone with a bigger battery that runs at the sameish voltage for simplicity Watt Hours: 40 Wh Voltage: 7.7 V Milliamp Hours: 5200 mAh
- menacingly 3y agoReally helpful, thanks. When it comes to building something smaller than a shoebox it's a "don't know what I don't know" situation over here
- brucethemoose2 3y agoTSMC N6 is compatible with N7: https://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/platform_DCE_N7_N6 https://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/pla... Which is how they could pull the APU shrink off without breaking the bank. And... Is the OLED not VRR? That was my #1 wish for the original Deck (with #2 being an OLED).
- cma 3y agoVRR would help so much for when it can't quite hit framerate.
- brucethemoose2 3y agoYeah. Its basically free performance, and free power savings, and also makes the whole configuration process less fiddly. Those are all things you particularly want on the Deck.
- smoldesu 3y agoJudging from the Digital Foundry video[0], it appears to have a limited form of VRR that will sample the refresh rate closest to whatever you're limiting for (eg. 40fps -> 80hz). It's not a complete solution, but it should effectively "solve" frame timing issues if your framerate is high enough. For what it's worth too, my experience gaming on Wayland has been great from a consistency perspective. Once you dial in settings that work, the only performance blips you can notice are related to shader compilation. 144hz feels like 144hz, which has not always been the case on Linux. [0] https://youtu.be/Z1KLj06fn2s?t=257 https://youtu.be/Z1KLj06fn2s?t=257
- nottheengineer 3y agoWhat are you running exactly? I haven't been able to get a 144hz + 60hz setup working with KDE on X. The main monitor just doesn't want to do 144hz, even if I disable the other one via xrandr. My 1070 Ti has me afraid of wayland because the nvidia driver already breaks something once a month.
- criddell 3y agoI want a small, inexpensive gaming computer to connect to my TV and have been thinking about the Steam Deck or a mini pc like the Minisforum HX99G (Ryzen 9 6900HX). Would the two computers be roughly comparable? I'm looking for something small because I don't have room for anything bigger. The Steam Deck is appealing because it doesn't seem very computer-y. What I want is a console that plays PC games. I've tried SteamLink between my desktop computer and AppleTV but it was a terrible experience. Is there something better than the Steam Deck that isn't expensive (ie not more than $2000).
- noxvilleza 3y agoYou could use the Steam Deck, and for more demanding games you can use Steam Remote Play from your main PC (it's great!).
- criddell 3y agoI hadn't heard of Steam Remote Play so I googled it and it looks like it's using Steam Link. I tried Steam Link to my Apple TV and it was a terrible experience. Is the Steam Deck going to be a better client than the Apple TV?
- noxvilleza 3y agoI've used it with Forza, Ride, and some emulated games and it's been great for me.
- criddell 3y agoMaybe I’ll have to give it another try. There are all kinds of people who say it works great. I must have had something misconfigured because it was not playable when I tried it.
- RajT88 3y agoThere are a very wide variety of Windows based handhelds more powerful than the Steam Deck. AyaNeo seems to crank a new one out every 4 months! I came across a google doc a while back where people were obsessively cataloging them. There are many which have come out in the last 2 years. You have your pick of options. They usually run from 400 - 1200. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1irg60f9qsZOkhp0cwOU7Cy4rJQeyusEUzTNQzhoTYTU/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1irg60f9qsZOkhp0cwOU7... ETA: This list has gotten out of hand, lol
- kibwen 3y agoI actually use my Deck almost exclusively in docked mode. If you just want a low-cost alternative to a PC for gaming, consider picking up one of the now-discounted LCD models.
- kube-system 3y agoI thought I would use mine docked more than I do, but the hardware shows its weaknesses when you try to drive too many more pixels than the built-in display.
- freedomben 3y agoAgree, though mainly just for newer AAA games. For example, Hogwart's Legacy (which has breathtakingly good graphics on capable machines) on a docked Steam Deck is much worse than my top-of-the-line Linux AMD rig. I wouldn't expect a $500 handheld to match a $3,000 desktop of course, but I thought it worth mentioning. If you play games like Shredder's Revenge or Stardew Valley, the graphics will be identical. But if you play AAA games and you care about graphics, you might want something more powerful. That said, the Steam Deck works perfectly as a remote console. I.e. docked to my TV, and then "stream" the game from the gaming rig. Nvidia Shield is also a great device for that and a big cheaper if you never plan to undock it, but being able to play less demanding games locally is a big feature that makes the Deck worth it IMHO.
- masto 3y agoI found my TV (not purchased with gaming in mind) adds so much latency that even as a non-gamer I found it unusable. A minor gripe; overall the Steam Deck blew me away with its capabilities, ease of use, and attention to detail.
- kibwen 3y agoPoke around in the TV's options and look for "gaming mode", which is the mode where it minimizes latency by not applying whatever nonsense visual filters somebody decided to implement.
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- jay_kyburz 3y agoI love everything about the Steam Deck except 1 thing. I love that its Linux based, and that you can doc it and turn it into a real PC. The interface is polished and its fast. And it's Steam, so I have all my games! The one thing - I can't play it for more than an hour without getting hand cramps. The ergonomics just aren't very good for me. I play games all day for my job, and I know I can play an xbox controller or a ps5 controller for 8 hours straight without problems. Lucky, because its a Steam Deck, I can plug any controller I want into it.
- leetharris 3y agoThere are some aftermarket attachments that supposedly help with this. I haven't tried any of them myself, but I get the same problem as you and I will probably try some out next week.
- ThatPlayer 3y agoDespite the bigger overall size, the buttons on the Steam Deck aren't bigger than the buttons on a Nintendo Switch joy-con. That's why I like the Asus Ally more for having buttons that aren't too small for my big hands. Trade-off is no space for the touchpads
- jay_kyburz 3y agoI think the touch pads are unnecessary, especially when you can touch the screen directly.
- CobrastanJorji 3y ago> * Exclusive startup movie Guys, c'mon, I know that you have to have a longer bullet point list for the premium, more expensive option, but you're making your actual advantages sound stupid by including this one.
- baerrie 3y agoHey, the filmmakers need there work listed as well!
- LegitShady 3y agoPretty sure you can mod in any startup movie of your choice these days. The startup movies just seem to be a way to get me to waste steam points I don't have any use for on some variety of startup visual without any effort. You're not wrong.
- dawidpotocki 3y agoYou can even go to the point store, get a url of the preview, download it from Steam servers, put it in an appropriate Steam subdirectory and set in Steam settings to be the default.
- lopis 3y agoPeople pay 5 bucks for an avatar skin. You're just a bit out of touch with the times.
- syarb 3y agoA bit disappointing that you cannot purchase just the new OLED screen and replace it in the LCD model, considering the dimensions are the same. I wonder what the true limiting factor for this is? I'd love to upgrade, but ~$500 feels like a little too much for the usage I currently get out of my Deck.
- kimbernator 3y agoSelling the unit as a whole almost certainly is a loss for them, but they make money by having people buying games from them. Selling parts like that would be unlikely to have a similar effect, so they might not be able to sell it at a price point that makes sense.
- glimshe 3y ago$549 is probably a break even price. It's a great value nonetheless, but kind of too high to be at a loss.
- rlex 3y agodeckhd [1] creators (third-party 1200p screen for deck) said it's not possible, as it will require modifying main board (something about voltage regulation, if i recall correctly) [1] https://deckhd.com/ https://deckhd.com/
- thrdbndndn 3y agoThe dimension of the screens are not the same, though.
- chandler5555 3y agothat difference is likely because of the smaller bezel rather than the display piece itself. they have said the screen protectors and other accessories will still work but regardless it looks like they use a different connector so it wont be possible https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/823177/Can+I+just+buy+the+OLED+screen+standalone+to+replace+the+LCD+screen https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/823177/Can+I+just+buy+th...
- jwells89 3y agoDoes anybody here have experience using a Deck booted into Windows with VR headset connected for playing Beat Saber? How well does it work for this purpose? Not finding too much info on that particular setup online. This revision appears to fix my main gripes with the original model so I’d like to buy one, but if I could use it as an ultraportable Beat Saber machine it’d make the purchase more justifiable. While my Quest 2 can technically run Beat Saber natively, the Steam version is vastly more mod-friendly and PCs generally don’t choke as badly on complex custom maps as the middling smartphone hardware in the Quest 2 does.
- ShamelessC 3y agoMy understanding is that Windows is very buggy to boot into.
- j3s 3y agoi don’t understand why you want a portable beat saber setup that requires hauling around an entire VR setup + a steam deck + all of the peripherals that requires? imo you might as well buy a little laptop with a proper video card if you’re going that route. the deck’s video capabilities aren’t intended to drive VR or run windows, you’ll almost certainly have issues of a million varieties.
- jwells89 3y agoMainly, it’s about maximizing usage of my devices. At home most gaming (including Beat Saber) is done on a nice custom tower that outguns any reasonably priced gaming laptop, meaning that if I bought a gaming laptop it’d only get used when traveling and would collect dust the rest of the time. Unless of course I sell the desktop and go laptop-exclusive for games, but that comes with some notable tradeoffs (fan noise and longevity primarily). The Deck’s form factor makes it attractive for at-home use scenarios that a desktop and laptop don’t fit as well, and a such has a better chance of getting consistent usage compared to a laptop.
- andybak 3y agoCould you not just run Best Saber on a Quest?
- saidinesh5 3y agoValve: Install whatever you want from wherever you want - hardware, software, operating system. And they provide you parts and schematics in case you need to repair/mod your device. Never thought I'd see a day when linux gaming would be as good as what I get via my steam deck these days. Kudos to Valve for embracing such an open approach to gaming/portable devices in general.
- sho_hn 3y agoGiven that PC gaming thrives on modding, it's only right that the most PC-like console gets it right.
- erikpukinskis 3y agoIf that were the natural outcome Xbox would’ve “gotten it right” since it was the most PC-like console before the Steam Deck. The moddability is a deliberate strategy by Valve, and I don’t see it as an inevitable move for every PC-centered company, Microsoft being the prime counterexample.
- timw4mail 3y agoThe XBox One and PS4 are very PC-like as well. (Continuing with the PS5 and XBox Series). But yes, Valve does seem to get what gamers want (other than games made by them)
- amlib 3y agoI think it's pretty clear that "PC-like" also means you need an open platform, with the possibility to install any software and operating system you wish, which the xbox nor any console from the major brands allows for.
- squeaky-clean 3y agoYeah PC means "personal computer", not x64 CPU with an AMD or Nvidia GPU. I don't see how the Xbox is PC-like at all.
- atemerev 3y ago"This item is not available in your country" The country in question is Switzerland, probably the richest country in Europe, where many people would have bought it on spot. Regional restrictions are so stupid.
- kube-system 3y agoIf it makes you feel better, it's not available in any country yet. But regional restrictions aren't really "stupid" they are because doing business globally is hard to do.
- atemerev 3y agoThe regular Steam Deck is also not available. And no other Valve hardware.
- eloisant 3y agoMaybe join the EU, that would make it easier for them because the regulations would be the same!
- schmorptron 3y agoThe upgrade to 90 Hertz is really good for a non-obvious reason: In the Steam Deck userbase, the "Golden 40", playing games at 40fps and the screen at 40 hertz, is a pretty well-liked trick for getting the frame time right in between 30 and 60fps at 25ms while "only" needing power to render 10 more frames per second than 30, making for a much better experience than 30. The only problem with this is if a frame is slightly late at 40 hertz, you're waiting the full 25 ms for the next one instead of 16.6ms at 60hz. Being able to run the screen at 80 hz for 40fps games cuts that stutter time on a missed frame in half to 12.5ms, and will make a huge difference!
- brokencode 3y agoSo does the Steam Deck not support VRR for the onboard display? I see articles saying support was added for external displays, but it’s not clear whether the onboard one has it. If it does, then it seems like it shouldn't be a problem for a frame to be slightly late. Edit: I read some other comments that explain the situation. It sounds like there is no VRR for the internal display unfortunately.
- schmorptron 3y agoNo, it sadly doesn't do VRR and neither does this new one. According to the LTT video[0], it's because of the internal connector that the internal display is attatched with, because external VRR screens do work. They speculate that valve were just limited by what is available on the market because they are not quite shipping enough units yet to warrant fully custom designs / orders. Apparently there are hints towards this being the same supplier that also supplies the Switch OLED's screen. [0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCVXqoVi6RE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCVXqoVi6RE
- Vt71fcAqt7 3y agoBloomberg says the supplier is Samsung.[0] Not entirely surprising because Sony is somewhat of a competitor and that only leaves LG who is not nearly as good at mobile oled which is one of Samsung's largest markets. This said I know eg. Apple uses multiple display suppliers for the iphone 14/15 base model so it could be the same here. [0]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-04/nintendo-plans-switch-model-with-bigger-samsung-oled-display https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-04/nintendo-...
- 999900000999 3y agoLost me when I realized the resolution is the same. 1080p is a minimum in 2023
- NovemberWhiskey 3y agoBased on what assumptions? The Deck struggles enough to get decent FPS on many titles without careful tweaking - how do you think it's going to do if it has to push twice the number of pixels.
- csdreamer7 3y agoNot for a small screen like the steam deck. LTT complained 1080p made things way too small on Asus ROG Ally handheld while also hurting performance.
- nottorp 3y agoIf you want bigger numbers i believe there are windows handhelds available now. The rest of us who want something that just works might get a steam deck. Interesting... how come Linux just works and Windows is iffy in the handheld gaming space?
- troupe 3y agoYes. That is why no one has purchased a Switch since the beginning of the year.
- metadat 3y agoI just bought a switch last week. The switch and steam deck are fundamentally very different, despite ultimately both being for playing games. The switch is great for party, co-op, and social games, while the steam deck is a decent approximation of a desktop PC.. sans keyboard and mouse.
- schmorptron 3y agoI'd argue the steam deck is equivalent if not better for couch co-op! You get to connect pretty much any bluetooth controller to it at the same time, you can pair a ps4 controller, a ps5 controller, an xbox controller and a google stadia controller, and they all work flawlessly. (Of course, the switch has the nintendo first party library of party games, which is worth a lot)
- maxglute 3y agoLooks fantastic. I wish Valve would take another go at steam controller and steam link.
- dpc_01234 3y agoI have a Steam Deck, Steam Link and the Steam Controller (it does work) among other controllers. The ability to use any controller is awesome (Wireless DualSense is my fav RN). Steam Controller itself wasn't all that great, and I like the . And Steam Controller with a Dock acts as Link (unless I'm missing some other functionality).
- joshstrange 3y agoI'm super tempted by it but I just bought my Steam Deck this year. I love it and have played almost daily (all handhold) and I've got a vast backlog of games to play (that will play well on the deck). Resolution not changing is both a pro and a con but more-so a pro I think. OLED would be really nice as would the battery life but I don't need it.... OTOH that special edition looks really cool...
- cowboyscott 3y agoI’m a first gen deck owner and am constantly impressed by the quality of the product. The hardware is good, more than good enough, but the fact that it is running windows games mostly seemlessly is incredible. Yes, I know wine has been around forever, but with the deck you barely even notice that you’re running through a compatibility layer. Performance and battery life in all but the last few years of AAA games is also great. The improvements here are marginal, but it’s great to see them making smart, incremental updates. I’d love to see how the market would react to a deck in a console form factor, with similar input options to the deck (pad plus touchpads) and an APU comparable to modern consoles.
- all2 3y agoThere was Steambox, which was their bid to get into the console PC gaming tower market. We got SteamOS out of that, but the product launch itself didn't go so great.
- jwells89 3y agoTo my recollection the problems with the Steam Box were reliance on third party hardware manufacturers, weak hardware, and trouble with game compatibility. If they were to do a reboot of that product line today I think it’d go quite differently. They have the chops to manufacture the hardware themselves this time around, and the game compatibility factor has improved dramatically (partially of their own doing). I think there could be a real market for a console with an APU somewhere in the ballpark of the PS5’s, but running SteamOS and embracing upgrades and modding like the Deck has, especially if they can price it aggressively.
- heyoni 3y agoMaybe a collaboration between valve and oxide is in order…
- opan 3y agoThe Steam Controller was killed off, and IIRC there was a patent infringement issue with the paddles on the back. I'd love to see a redesigned Steam Controller based on the Deck's controls. I play my Deck almost exclusively docked, but your average controller packs less functionality than the Deck's built-in controls, so it would be neat to not have to compromise.
- msh 3y agoDamn I just purchased a 256 GB steam deck a month ago :(
- _flux 3y agoYou should consider asking the support for partial refund. Though a month might be stretching it.
- diwcoder 3y agoI was about to cancel my order for a Playstation Portal after seeing this. Considering a bit further though, I really think remote play is the future as long as you aren't concerned with using the device on the go. My PS5 can handle games way better than a Steam Deck, the device is lighter, and the battery lasts significantly longer. Still a bit torn though, the Steam Deck appeals to the side of me that loves gadgets. It's a tough call.
- gordon_freeman 3y agowhy don't have both? SD for indie games such as Factorio/Stardew Valley etc. and PSPo for AAA Sony exclusive games!
- smith7018 3y agoThe Portal can only stream games over your local network, though, right? I think the SD would be a better use of money because it offers the ability to play outside for the home but it's definitely personal preference.
- theshrike79 3y agoYou can use Chiaki[0] to stream PS5 games to your Deck, best of both worlds =) [0] https://sr.ht/~thestr4ng3r/chiaki/ https://sr.ht/~thestr4ng3r/chiaki/
- ThatPlayer 3y agoThe Portal still has advantages of having all the fancy Dualsense controller features like adaptive triggers and better rumble. Also 1080p screen compared to the Deck's 720p. OLED is definitely gonna be nicer though.
- gordon_freeman 3y agoWow! This seems like a really good upgrade just for that screen and longer battery life. Time to finally buy the SD to play that ever-increasing backlog of games in my Steam catalog.
- micromacrofoot 3y agoI think this might be an early step into the concept of people building portable devices like they build custom PCs and I love it.
- pawelduda 3y agoUS and Canada only.. guess it's more wait time for me. > Why isn’t the Limited Edition Steam Deck OLED available in my region? > Steam Deck Limited Edition is an experiment for our team, and we were only able to make a small quantity. That said, we hope this is a successful experiment and customers are excited – if we see there is a large demand for this kind of product, we will definitely continue to explore more colorways in the future. Please continue Valve
- all2 3y agoI can ship one out to you if you'd like.
- pawelduda 3y agoThank you. I will be reaching out if I decide to go for one. BUT I think the limitation actually applies only to the 1TB limited edition (with different colorway). So the 512GB OLED should be normally available as I've seen some people point out!
- mananaysiempre 3y agoAs far as I can tell, there’s a “normal” OLED Deck, which is (or will shortly be) available in the full complement of countries (not including my current place of residence...), and the limited edition with a transparent case, which is NA only. So if you only want the electronics upgrade, you can probably get one.
- pawelduda 3y agoYes, just came to the same conclusion after reading more!
- thih9 3y agoWhat’s the weight of the new models? The increased battery capacity sounds good, but I wonder how does it affect the handheld’s weight - which is perhaps just as important for comfort.
- bmitc 3y agoAs a related aside: does anyone know of any companies or processes by which one can get low volume (think prototyping volume, i.e., single digit quantity orders) custom OLED screens? Bonus points if the OLEDs are able to be custom laser cut (the same process as the "hole punches" that are in smartphone screens).
- rajlego 3y agoWhat's your use case? (can't help, just curious)
- Dayshine 3y agoHow does OLED make sense for the steam deck when to my knowledge Linux does not support HDR? I wish I could install Linux on my laptop, but without HDR what's the point!
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoValve has that side, too: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Valve-HDR-Linux-Gaming-Begins https://www.phoronix.com/news/Valve-HDR-Linux-Gaming-Begins
- iuafhiuah 3y agoSteamOS supports HDR, VRR and Raytracing. Joshua Ashton (Valve Developer) gave a talk called "Rainbow Frogs: HDR + Color Management in Gamescope/SteamOS" at XDC this year where he explained how they improved colour management on Linux when other people have so far failed. https://www.youtube.com/live/Gg4eSAP1uc4?feature=shared&t=4011 https://www.youtube.com/live/Gg4eSAP1uc4?feature=shared&t=40... Melissa Wen (Igalia) talked more about how they're gonna try and upstream the work, but there are lots of moving upstream parts and they all move very slowly in "The rainbow treasure map: advanced color management on Linux with AMD/Steam Deck" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg4eSAP1uc4&t=4010s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg4eSAP1uc4&t=4010s There is also a talk by Friedrich Vock called "Improving the World's Slowest Raytracer" about how they're slowly making RT viable on Linux. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg4eSAP1uc4&t=27361s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg4eSAP1uc4&t=27361s Overall, a very interesting set of talks for anybody interested in Linux gaming.
- deadbunny 3y agoThanks for the links. What a hostile way to put up talks on youtube. Only to be viewed by those that know where they are.
- badsectoracula 3y agoIt is not as a simple as "Linux does not support HDR". The kernel's graphics API does expose functionality to use HDR. What is not there (yet) is Xorg and Wayland compositors using that functionality as well as programs written to target those being able to use whatever HDR Xorg/Wayland functionality would expose. For gaming Wine also lacks HDR support. Valve is bypassing the above by using their own Wayland compositor (gamescope) which is designed to run X11 applications (mainly Wine/Proton) via XWayland and -IIRC- they hacked in a way to take over XWayland's output to force HDR so that Windows games running under Proton using Windows' HDR APIs will work under gamescope. The reason they can do that is because they can modify and ship the entire stack, but it its otherwise a very gaming-oriented gamescope-specific hack (you can't use the same functionality to get a window with HDR content under an otherwise "SDR" desktop). FWIW if you do have an HDR monitor (and perhaps an AMD GPU, not sure if this is a requirement) you should be able to use it on your own PC to run Windows games with HDR support - you'll just be limited to running them in fullscreen mode in a separate virtual terminal (i mean those you switch with the Ctrl+Alt+F<n> keys). I haven't tried it myself though because i'm using my own gamescope fork with some modifications i made and my code is a couple of years behind (long before the HDR stuff were added). Also while i technically have an HDR monitor, it isn't basically a somewhat brighter SDR monitor, not true HDR.
- intull 3y agoHN folks, I feel a FOMO for this OLED version because it's just so cool, but I already own a Deck. Would you say there would be an OLED version again, even if limited in stock, in the future?
- bpye 3y agoIt looks like the OLED version is replacing the LCD one for the 512/1TB models. It's just the specific colourway that's limited. I'm in a similar boat - I'm gonna keep my LCD 512GB Steam Deck.
- tlhunter 3y agoThis is probably a Steam Deck v1.5 before v2 comes out. I'm sure v2 will have an OLED option and the differentiator between major versions will be CPU/RAM.
- jacknews 3y agoLooking forward to some variant of 7040 (zen 4 / RDNA 3) as the cpu.
- intull 3y agoThank you! This is reassuring. I had thought of upgrading my Steam Deck once a new one comes out, but didn't expect one to show up this quickly.
- noxvilleza 3y agoThey said the Steam Deck 2 will likely appear in 2-3 years time in this interview: https://www.polygon.com/23951070/steam-deck-2-valve-interview https://www.polygon.com/23951070/steam-deck-2-valve-intervie...
- jauntywundrkind 3y agoDDR speed bump, from 5500MHz to 6400MHz. Some games are definitely gonna run faster.
- beebeepka 3y agoGood, good. I have two gaming desktops and don't need it. What I need is something like the Legion Go. Not for gaming, mind you. Reading. A laptop is too big, a phone too small. I think it hits the spot real nice and people managed to get Linux working on it right away, which was to be expected. I wonder how much it weighs without the joypads
- Karawebnetwork 3y agoHow important is storage space on this device? Is 512GB or 1TB worth waiting for?
- ThatMedicIsASpy 3y agoDepends on what you do, play, consider doing. I'm using it as my PC and love more storage. Once I finally buy a NAS I would care less. 256G+512G SD card and both are around 90% full.
- sphars 3y agoI think it just depends on the games you play. Check to see how much space they'll use. Personally, I don't play a lot of "AAA" type games, I play more indie games, so 256GB has more than enough space for me. You can always upgrade the SSD or use a microSD card.
- timw4mail 3y agoBetween SD cards and M.2 drive upgrades being pretty painless, you can start small and upgrade.
- Pathogen-David 3y agoSpace 100% comes down to the games you expect to play. Also the 256 GB model isn't the new OLED model being highlighted by this post. You can still get the now-discontinued LCD 512 GB model at a discount if you're concerned about space and don't care about OLED.
- robotnikman 3y agoI somehow managed to nearly max out my 512GB deck and 512GB microsd card. I was surprised to see storing stuff on the SD card had negligible impact on speed. It really depends on the games you play though and size of your library.
- distances 3y ago> I was surprised to see storing stuff on the SD card had negligible impact on speed. Yes this seemed to be the consensus on post-launch tests. There was virtually no difference in game loading times between internal drive and SD card, so everyone was recommending to just get the cheap model + a large SD (matching the highest SD card speeds that the Deck supports).
- hospitalJail 3y agoFYI 2023 is the year of the linux desktop. Its going to be about 4 years before anyone noticed that was it: >Microsoft flops on Win 11, anti-consumer features force a few casual users to try Linux Desktop again. They find Linux Desktop is robust AF, way less downtime than Windows their constant updates and their pestering. They shout the news from the roof: "The future is here" >Steam Deck making it mainstream. More resources, more users, high quality linux rather than cheap chromebooks/raspi. (Love my raspi thou) >Linux desktop being so solid. Fedora take my breath away. I cannot believe this is Linux. I can't believe Linux is literally better than Windows.
- e63f67dd-065b 3y agoWe like to joke about The Year of the Linux Desktop, but it's already been here for half a decade: ChromeOS. As far as non chromeos/steamos based linux desktops, yeah it's not gonna happen, not unless microsoft in a fit of insanity breaks backwards compat, OEMs stop pre-installing windows, and even then the users will probably migrate to Apple, not linux.
- mhh__ 3y agoIt'll never happen but I'd love if Valve could wack an M1 / similar apple chip on one of these
- teach 3y agoWhy? The AMD chip they're using has comparable performance-per-watt to the M1, and I'm not sure Proton knows how to run games on an ARM processor.
- boppo1 3y agoGood luck porting all the DX12 to Metal as well.
- filterfiber 3y agoIIRC apple is actually going this same route as proton - wine + dx12/11 to metal
- mhh__ 3y agoWith Zen 2?
- sva_ 3y agoDoubt an ARM chip would work well with Valve's approach of using Proton (Wine) to run the x86 binaries. And also not sure if the iGPU really measures up to RDNA (since Apple doesn't build their chips for gaming.)
- mhh__ 3y agoIt's mostly going to be bound by the GPU, which would be a wildcard, but i reckon you could match the existing performance for the same power draw, but then you also have a properly fast computer to plug into a monitor in your bag.
- tunnuz 3y agoThat’s sexy. Too bad I bought one this year. And it’s an amazing device.
- phartenfeller 3y agoInterestingly, the processors changed slightly. Slightly smaller dies and GPU efficiency cores. But it seems like there are no real performance gains. OLED version: 6 nm AMD APU CPU: Zen 2 4c/8t, 2.4-3.5GHz (up to 448 GFlops FP32) GPU: 8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.6GHz (1.6 TFlops FP32) APU power: 4-15W LCD (old) version: 7 nm AMD APU CPU: Zen 2 4c/8t, 2.4-3.5GHz (up to 448 GFlops FP32) GPU: 8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.0-1.6GHz (up to 1.6 TFlops FP32) APU power: 4-15W
- apatheticonion 3y agoAny changes to battery life? Perhaps they are more interested in the improved efficiency
- Zekio 3y agonear double battery life if I remember what I read correct, due to bigger battery and more efficient apu and the display using less power as well
- goosedragons 3y agoYes, but they also added a larger battery.
- jeffparsons 3y agoI would guess it has more to do with current and anticipated future availability than anything else. I don't work in hardware, but I've read some wild anecdotes about the extreme difficulty of establishing a stable supply chain if you want to keep manufacturing exactly the same product for N years. I guess this won't be any surprise to the HN crowd, but often when you buy an X, it will have some different parts to the X (identical SKU) from last year and the year before.
- hiisukun 3y agoI think this is important to prevent fragmentation -- it's too early in the steam deck product cycle for games to only run on "Steam deck OLED" if there was 10% extra performance.
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- m00x 3y agoStrange to be using Wifi 6 when Wifi 7 is right at the door. They could've waited a bit more and made something that has 4x the bandwidth over Wifi 6E.
- littlecosmic 3y agoNeither this nor the original is available in Australia from Valve. They make it hard to be a fan.
- foxandmouse 3y agoDisappointing APU upgrade, I've been waiting for them to refresh the device but this new version is significantly slower than the already available Asus ROG Ally.
- distances 3y agoThey've been very explicit about not changing the performance in multiple years. Making this faster would have been a very bad decision, muddying the compatibility so soon after the original launch.
- foxandmouse 3y agoSorry, but I don't understand your logic. Why would it have been a bad decision? and how would it have "muddied comparability"? PC games support granular improvements; support for a game doesn't discern anything. I also can't find anything referencing their "explicit" performance requirements.
- distances 3y agoSince they want to support a console like experience, a clear compatibility indication is important. Releasing new models with different performance characteristics every two years would make that compatibility discovery PC-like, not console like. So bad from that perspective. > I also can't find anything referencing their "explicit" performance requirements. Valve has been explicit about not improving the performance, e.g. https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/21/23884863/valve-steam-deck-2-refresh-upgrade-cpu-2025 https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/21/23884863/valve-steam-deck... They said as much already in 2022, but those articles are a bit hard to find now with all news being about the new model.
- kraig911 3y agoI have the current 512. I won't be upgrading as I can't afford right before Christmas (got to get the kids things) But I will say I love love love my steam deck and I've bought so many more games because of it. Esp indie games. I think it's been great for everyone involved the gamer, the small developer and Valve. I really hope we see them continue to innovate. They're killing it. I honestly think they could make a tablet with SteamOS that just lets you use Bluetooth controls my kids and I would freak out.
- deergomoo 3y agoLooks cool, gives me a slight pang of regret given the model I purchased 3 months ago is now the entry level and £120 cheaper than what I paid. But I guess I knew I was playing with fire a bit. It’s good to see Valve is staying committed to the platform though, it’s an excellent machine and very cool to see active changes towards increased repairability.
- WithinReason 3y agoUp to 90 Hz screen? That must mean it's variable refresh rate!
- xlayn 3y agoThere is a performance improvement as per [0][1] the memory speed went up from 5500MT/s to 6400. [0] https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech [1] https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech/deck https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech/deck
- balthasar 3y agoSo annoying how hard they are marking up the storage upgrade. I get the pricing model where they gouge the power users to make the entry level unit cheaper. It just sucks when every product is gimped on storage just for this idiotic structure.
- rpmisms 3y agoThis looks phenomenal. I love my current deck, but I'm buying gen 2, and I barely game anymore. For all their ineptitude, Valve sells products they obviously use.
- tamimio 3y agoI bought the 512 deck pre-order when it was released, remained sealed in the shipping package for 5 months on my desk, I am not a gamer, but had plans to use it as a portable ground station for robots and drones, got busy and never had the chance to do so, until one day my brother visited me and I gave it him.
- nostoneunturned 3y agoYou must be rich. Can we be friends?
- tamimio 3y agoI don’t think few hundred bucks will make you rich, but sure we can be friends!
- ShamelessC 3y agoAnecdotes tend to be over valued on HN so my distaste for them may come across as rude but man, this is a particularly boring story to share. Did your brother enjoy it at least? It starts off like a product story but winds up being irrelevant to the product. You don’t hate this product, you don’t love it, you are indifferent about it and didn’t even buy it for its stated purpose!
- tamimio 3y agoHe did enjoy it being a gamer, and he got all sort of accessories as I knew later. I honestly had big plans for it, I even have few 5G Quectel modems and planned to integrate one, and add the SDR I have too so it’s truly a portable ground station, but that happened during a big project I didn’t have the time for any of that, I still might do it, or maybe inspire someone in here who’s into robotics to do it!
- wg0 3y agoWondering why Microsoft wouldn't enter this market or why Sony would leave it wide open despite each having deep expertise or assets in this area.
- smoldesu 3y agoMicrosoft makes money by forcing the competing manufacturers to buy Windows. So far, it's actually worked; all of the Steam Deck competitors I've seen to date ship with a copy of Windows presumably paid-for by the OEM. Introducing their own competitor would require them to invest deeply in doing so, and then subsidize their moneymaker (Windows) to compete at Valve's price point. It stands to reason that Microsoft would rather pocket AYANEO and Asus's OS fees and not even bother.
- herunan 3y agoThe reduced LCD Steam Decks are a steal now and you’re getting a marginally worse device. The 64 GB one is essentially the price of a Nintendo Switch, and you can emulate Nintendo Switch games on it as well as play AAA Steam games. No brainer.
- Andaith 3y agoI was really hopeful seeing this announcement, but they're not releasing this in Australia. I wonder why? We're a small market, but high income & high disposable income, no language barrier, similar business environment. I'd assume it was easy-as to also do business here.
- shmerl 3y agoThat's cool! It takes them a while to refresh the APU though to Zen 4 / RDNA 3. I guess it's harder than for laptops?
- LinAGKar 3y agoBut what about VRR?
- dustypotato 3y agoI'm quite happy with my steam deck. I use it as my personal laptop and do some web development on it. I just wish they'd support ROCm so that I can run stable diffusion on it.
- rldjbpin 3y agohow is ROCm ecosystem from training pov? is it good enough to switch to prototyping with the latest generation of desktop gpu?
- rldjbpin 3y agoi will definitely be there when they sell out the old stock and release a cheaper variant under 400.
- nvarsj 3y agoI’m actually kind of shocked Valve is releasing a gen2 product. And so soon. I guess pigs can fly after all.
- eur0pa 3y agoIt isn't. The Steam Deck 2 is still being worked on, and some time away.
- chalcolithic 3y agoI wish there was a developer workstation in this form factor (with split keyboard insted of joysticks, of course). Plus the holes so I can strap it around my neck like we did with cameras many years ago.
- cjrp 3y ago> Will replacement parts be available > Yes, we will be working with iFixit again to provide replacement parts and repair guides for Steam Deck OLED. Excellent news.
- p0w3n3d 3y agoOled means it will burn out one time...
- smoldesu 3y agoTrue, but the new model lets you replace the entire screen assembly without even removing the backplate IIRC. It won't be like damaging your Switch or Macbook's display.